ElSudani:


Lack of infrastructure is the main reason the Nigerian economy is lagging. How do you even create an enabling environment without investing in infrastructure? What a contradiction!

No! We are not saying roads should not be done. After all, Peter Obi as governor, linked all the rural towns in Anambra by road to the center.

We are saying develop your people and some of these things government waste money on, they will handle it efficiently and not waste or spoil them. Education is one of such ways to do that.

Building skyscrapers that enlarge the gap between the rich and poor in society is only a recipe for doom!

ElSudani:


Spot on! God bless you. Why mention China a million times when you had eight years to at least practice what you are preaching on a state level.
The only thing he could point out was a bad investment in a brewery.

He belongs to the Chinese School of thought YET he says infrastructures do not drive the economy. How do you reconcile that?. That man is a fraud.

Production may be aided by infrastructure as it will create convenience to an extent. But infrastructure is more dependent on the existence of production; never the other way round.

Take the life of the indigenes of one of Southern State islands.

The presence of government infrastructure there are the solar lamps and school. They have no roads or electricity. Not even government aids (if we can call that infrastructure too). But they produce enviable crops and timber nonetheless. As at when I was there, none of their children, however educated, held any oil jobs (or slots as they called them). The solar lamps help movement at night; when their production has gone to rest for the day.

It can be seen that infrastructure for them, at the primary stage of production, creates convenience and ease - that's about it.

8BitGee:


Stop being a petulant child. Stupidity like this will make Obi a SE candidate only, what is wrong with y'all? You can't be campaigning for votes with one side of your mouth and maligning fellow Nigerians with the other. Politics is a game of numbers and PO needs millions of people to win!

@OP, Fashola is right, however, it is all election time rhetoric. He did some good in Lagos but couldn't find his feet in the backward Buhari government. Folks are tired of the same APC/PDP politicians tossing us around like football.

It is madness to leave a pretender like Buhari for a brazen thief like Tinubu who's health is also clearly challenged.

Stop being stupid. Do you think I am a typical Nigerian that waste his or time campaigning for these selfish politicians? At most, I will vote for who my conscience accepts. I don't have business convincing you or anybody else to vote for who I intend to vote for my conscience's sake.

bishopkay:

No! We are not saying roads should not be done. After all, Peter Obi as governor, linked all the rural towns in Anambra by road to the center.

We are saying develop your people and some of these things government waste money on, they will handle it efficiently and not waste or spoil them. Education is one of such ways to do that.

Building skyscrapers that enlarge the gap between the rich and poor in society is only a recipe for doom!

Let us agree to disagree. So, please tell me the ways you develop your people?
I would hear things like compulsory primary and secondary school education. Which is largely the primary responsibility of the state and local government
I would hear the provision of social infrastructure like pipe born water supply to homes which is the responsibility of the state and local government
I would hear the provision of enabling environment for investment and industries which is the responsibility of the federal government but the discussion here relates to the construction of an important bridge which is the purview of the Ministry of Work and Housing. Don't you think bringing this up here amount to a diversion since what you said has nothing to do with Fashola's point of view?

ElSudani:
These people are so funny. What Fashola said is the absolute truth. One of the ways to boost employment and the economy is for the government to invest in infrastructure.
Obi will rather invest in a brewery though.

Mumu. Why Fashola never so am since.
Minister of Power ( we can see power nah)
Minister of darkness.
Let him show us what he has done not attacking someone.
I love OBI cos him no send any of them.
He goes dear and dumb in all these.
We will fight for him day In day out.

Why is Obi giving una orgasm everyday.

Must u masturbate witg everything concerning Obi.
Grow up kid

Hellonearth:


Mumu. Why Fashola never so am since.
Minister of Power ( we can see power nah)
Minister of darkness.
Let him show us what he has done not attacking someone.
I love OBI cos him no send any of them.
He goes dear and dumb in all these.
We will fight for him day In day out.

Why is Obi giving una orgasm everyday.

Must u masturbate witg everything concerning Obi.
Grow up kid

Ipob miscreant.

abdulwastecx:


You are right!
But Fashola's job is limited to the provision of infrastructure, in particular, road infrastructure. He is not saddled with the responsibility of providing security and the management of the fiscal policies of the country. Hence, the provision of easy loans, stable interest rates, and strong security should be directed at the appropriate people responsible for them.

Furthermore, road infrastructure is an important ingredient of production. It enables the movement of goods, services, and raw materials from rural areas to the center of production.

Finally, The second Niger bridge is a crucial infrastructure, an asset that the southeast has been craving for decades. The question is why is it been greeted with a lot of cynicism by people from the region? Is it because it is been built by the wrong party and the Afonja they hate so much?

If I might respond to the bolded.

I will say you got your assertion wrong.

For the most part people in SE feels differently about the 2nd Niger bridge because of the slow process of the project.

The Hongkong - Macau bridge spanning more than 50km was built within 8 years and 2 months .

The second Niger bridge is less than 2 kilometers and how long have they been building it??

SE feels FG are slow on the project because it is located in the SE, FG don't care about them that's what the resentment is all about.

But Mr.Abdulwastecx, As a respected Building Engineer, you know that Second Niger bridge have been under construction wayyyyyy longer than it should..

There is a reason why despite all the rails that Buhari has built, poverty has gotten worse.

Infrastructure needs to be matched with a superior trade and production policy.

If I give contract to China to build a bridge.

Well, all you have is a bridge and nothing more.

We need to apply a little bit more sophistication.

It's not just infrastructure which is very key.
I can see why Peter obi went to all those business schools.

He is operating at a higher frequency than the rest of them.

Golan007:


Is stable electricity not infrastructure?

Partially it is not, you might have the infrastructure but lack the other necessity, then the supposed claimed infrastructure becomes useless. Create the job and employ the right people in the right department, then the infrastructure will have a meaning . When you appoint someone that studied law to handle electricity, and you think the infrastructure will have a meaning to such person.

abdulwastecx:


You are right!
But Fashola's job is limited to the provision of infrastructure, in particular, road infrastructure. He is not saddled with the responsibility of providing security and the management of the fiscal policies of the country. Hence, the provision of easy loans, stable interest rates, and strong security should be directed at the appropriate people responsible for them.

Furthermore, road infrastructure is an important ingredient of production. It enables the movement of goods, services, and raw materials from rural areas to the center of production.

Finally, The second Niger bridge is a crucial infrastructure, an asset that the southeast has been craving for decades. The question is why is it been greeted with a lot of cynicism by people from the region? Is it because it is been built by the wrong party and the Afonja they hate so much?

You have completely veered off the topic of discussion Sir. Read the topic again.

Peter Obi saying that economy can't be driven by is a big goof.

It is a known fact that infrastructure drives economy. Why are people complaining about non-cooperation of Ports in the Warri and Onitsha. It's simply because if the ports have the necessary infrastructure for operation it will definitely drive the economy of those community and States. Same with airport, railway and good roads.

Whether marshall enough points on how infrastructure drives an economy is another thing but definitely infrastructure is a big factor in driving an economy.

What necessitate urban migration from villages and towns? Is it the availability of basic infrastructure?

nnamdi640:
Partially it is not, you might have the infrastructure but lack the other necessity, then the supposed claimed infrastructure becomes useless.

Stable electricity is infrastructure.

Infrastructure includes it's support.

I don’t even understand why you guys love to argue over the most inane of things.

abdulwastecx:

Don't you think bringing this up here amount to a diversion since what you said has nothing to do with Fashola's point of view?

If one was very observant, one would have noticed that you left out the most important infrastructure of all in today's economy (which ironically, was the major selling point of the aforementioned minister). One would also wonder why

But I'm not really that observant so we can let that slide.

nnamdi640:
Partially it is not, you might have the infrastructure but lack the other necessity, then the supposed claimed infrastructure becomes useless.

Availability of infrastructure will attract investors and the economy will be better for it. For and most important thing that attract investors is the availability of the required infrastructure. QED

CSTRR:
There is a reason why despite all the rails that Buhari has built, poverty has gotten worse.

Infrastructure needs to be matched with a superior trade and production policy.

If I give contract to China to build a bridge.

Well, all you have is a bridge and nothing more.

We need to apply a little bit more sophistication.

It's not just infrastructure which is very key.
I can see why Peter obi went to all those business schools.

He is operating at a higher frequency than the rest of them.

Why are you confusing yourself the bolded could be identified by you yet you are saying economy can't be driven by infrastructure.

Golan007:


Stable electricity is infrastructure.

Infrastructure includes it's support.

I don’t even understand why you guys love to argue over the most inane of things.

Create the job and employ the right people in the right department, then the infrastructure will have a meaning . When you appoint someone that studied law to handle electricity, and you think the infrastructure will have a meaning to such person.

Badgers14:


If I might respond to the bolded.

I will say you got your assertion wrong.

For the most part people in SE feels differently about the 2nd Niger bridge because of the slow process of the project.

The Hongkong - Macau bridge spanning more than 50km was built within 8 years and 2 months .

The second Niger bridge is less than 2 kilometers and how long have they been building it??

SE feels FG are slow on the project because it is located in the SE, FG don't care about them that's what the resentment is all about.

But Mr.Abdulwastecx, As a respected Building Engineer, you know that Second Niger bridge have been under construction wayyyyyy longer than it should..

Nigeria is a relatively poor country. It has a huge population but very small revenue and budget to meet up with the responsibility of providing infrastructure at record time to its people. You will agree with me that Hongkong and Macau are one of the richest and most developed parts of China, as such I'll never compare the ability of these two semi-autonomous regions of China to build infrastructure with ours.

You can't argue that the Nigerian government has not taken the job seriously because there are no comparable projects in the other parts of Nigeria. No project of that magnitude has been undertaken by the ministry of works and housing in the other 5 regions of Nigeria.

abdulwastecx:


Nigeria is a relatively poor country. It has a huge population but very small revenue and budget to meet up with the responsibility of providing infrastructure at record time to its people. You will agree with me that Hongkong and Macau are one of the richest and most developed parts of China, as such I'll never compare the ability of these two semi-autonomous regions of China to build infrastructure with ours.

You can't argue that the Nigerian government has not taken the job seriously because there are no comparable projects in the other parts of Nigeria. No project of that magnitude has been undertaken by the ministry of works and housing in the other 5 regions of Nigeria.

Sir, we are talking about a bridge spanning 1.6km. Less than 2 miles of bridge.

And Nigeria is not a poor country. Corruption made it poor.

The same oil in UAE , Saudi , Qatar etc.. is the same Oil in Nigeria.

Plus other natural resources we have those countries don't have.

Housing:


Availability of infrastructure will attract investors and the economy will be better for it. For and most important thing that attract investors is the availability of the required infrastructure. QED

Take Nigeria as a case study. You might have the infrastructure, but when the economy is not friendly, you will be surprise to see that the investors you brought in will run without looking back. China has the highest numbers of industries in the whole world, why? It because the economy is friendly to the owners of the so called industries.

ElSudani:


My friend, infrastructure is the driver of all modern economies. Power plants, roads, railways, bridges etc. These are the main engines of growth, you will not be able to efficiently grow your economy and increase productivity without these factors.
Listen to Fashola, he is miles ahead of Obi.

Cow dung brain.
So you keep borrowing money from China at a high interest rate and be constructing power plant, railways, bridges indefinitely to enable you drive economic activities, instead of production which has the real multiplier effect on the economy.
When we run out of project sites for your wonder infrastructures, we then start building them in neighboring countries like the Katsina - Niger standard gauge

Latent madness dey some people bodi.

DispatcherLagos:
E get as political Afonjas dey think. Thank God Femi otedola my man isn't part of them

Oga carry your stupid tribal mentality out of here . You are one of those nuisance that have made Nairaland a den of bigots .
If you know you don't have any sensible thing to say, then don't say anything at all.

Prinxzona10:
The simple truth about all this logic is that Fashola is talking about the temporal solution while Peter Obi is talking about the permanent solution...
Eg,Fashola is cutting the tree from the branches while Peter Obi wants to cut the same tree from the tap roots.
I guess the different is clear and what baffles me most is that why all these attacks on Peter Obi and even Fashola that many people rated higher, is descending so low just to proof a political or a tribal point.. I rest my case..Gracias!!!!

He has always been a tribal bigot. Remember his infamous campaign line for Buhari 's reelection: "Vote Buhari so that power will return to SW in 2023".

Coming from such a personality that used to command respect nationally, that was when I knew that he was just like others.

Pakute:

...

In a bit to sound smart, you referred to refining diesel and producing steel. Let me ask; do you understand what infrastructure mean?
If you did, you would know that there would be no production without infrastructures. To refine diesel, there must be a refinery, also to produce steel, there must be a steel plant. Both Refinery and Steel plant are infrastructures.
Pls, pls & pls, I'm begging all you Obi supporters to stop embarrassing this country...

WTF did I just read? I really hope you realize what you just did.

In a bid to sound smarter than me, you couldn't even read my entire post. Did you read the last two paragraphs of my post? You missed the part where I said Production easily translate to Infrastructure, and how I likened it to something like killing two birds with a single stone.

You're right. We shouldn't be sharing a country

Peter Obi supporters needs to understand what is infrastructure? Infrastructure entails not only good roads, bridges, airport, sea ports and railway lines, but police,
health-related services, education and training, social housing programs, police, courts and other justice and public safety provisions, as well as arts, culture and recreational facilities, telecommunications, security architecture e.t.c.

Peter Obi should stop taking advise from a mad man

Valkrie:


What does a lawyer who have never own or successfully run any business apart from stealing government money know about economy...?

Them and their Agbado godfather would just keep disgracing themselves and keep twitting on WhatsApp all the time....!!

Pls stop talking anyhow..except you were born after 2015..Fashola ruled Lagos very well ..Lagos was at her best during his time as governor. I might not agree with some of his statement here but that does not make him a bad leader.
I am Obidience and I voting Obi. But if a Fashola should contest under a different party, I will vote for him.There is no way you can be a good person and continue to be good under this evil party called APC or PDP ..these parties corrupt the mind if good men because the devil's himself dwells among them .

Golan007:


As a farmer, good roads to your farm, construction of silos, bridges, railways, communication etc. would ease and improve your business.

Infrastructure is key.

Without investing in agriculture itself, the infrastructure would be useless and nothing will be stored or transported.

Badgers14:


Sir, we are talking about a bridge spanning 1.6km. Less than 2 miles of bridge.

And Nigeria is not a poor country. Corruption made it poor.

The same oil in UAE , Saudi , Qatar etc.. is the same Oil in Nigeria.

Plus other natural resources we have those countries don't have.

Nigeria currently produces 1.6m barrels/day of crude for a population of 200m people; this will amount to 0.008barrel/capita per day
compared to UAE which produces 3.5m barrels/day for a population of 9.5m people; this will amount to 0.368barrel/capita per day
compared to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia which produces 12.5m barrels/day for a population of 36m people; this will amount to 0.346barrel/capita per day
In summary, the UAE is 46times richer per capita than us and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is 43times richer than us. It will be unwise to compare these two countries to Nigeria.

Also, Oil is Nigeria's export accounting for over 90% of our foreign exchange earnings while UAE and KSA export substantial gas, tourism and other products.

Afamed:

Can you produce without Infrastructures such as roads and electricity?

No wonder Obi said he got his advise from mad man

I am not overruling the importance of infrastructure in economic development. It is important to drive wealth creation. But you can't tell me that it is more important that production. What do out government do currently? Take loans and build. Import most of the things required for infrastructure thereby giving the dollar an edge over the naira. Wooh. I no explain again.

We deserve what we get. When we are hopeless not to identify what matters.

nnamdi640:
Take Nigeria as a case study. You might have the infrastructure, but when the economy is not friendly, you will be surprise to see that the investors you brought in will run without looking back. China has the highest numbers of industries in the whole world, why? It because the economy is friendly to the owners of the so called industries.

You can't an economy in the real sense of it without infrastructure. Infrastructure is the first ingredient of an economy. The bolded is enough reason that Peter Obi goofed big time

logicalhumour:


WTF did I just read? I really hope you realize what you just did.

In a bid to sound smarter than me, you couldn't even read my entire post. Did you read the last two paragraphs of my post? You missed the part where I said Production easily translate to Infrastructure, and how I likened it to something like killing two birds with a single stone.

You're right. We shouldn't be sharing a country

My friend keep quiet. Production translates to infrastructure my ass!.. How would you produce without infrastructures? ipob illiterates.

McCoy662:

Without investing in agriculture itself, the infrastructure would be useless and nothing will be stored or transported.

Are they saying that other things are not important?