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Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by Sunday2021: 8:07am On Jul 03, 2022
PresidObi:
Nigeria,

A country where proven public service failures stand up to lecture others who had made a success of both their private and public lives. Fashola should be ashamed of himself for talking about economy even while his government has collapsed under economic woes.

You really cannot use infrastructure to grow the economy, what Fashola failed to mention was that the millions of liters of gas used to build the bridge were imported, at a very negative balance of trade for a country that has gas under its soil? Most of the other materials and manpower are also imported, benefiting foreign countries. The number of expatriate workers in JB will amaze you, with thrice that number serving them as cooks, gardeners, drivers and security men. Loss of foreign currency.

You grow the economy organically, by improvements in the GDP, creating enabling environment with power supply (an area Fashola failed woefully) and making sure more people work and exchange goods and services, not to talk about tax. APC keep proving everyday that they are passers by in the corridors of power.

Vote for Peter Obi.

He will make Nigeria so rich and prosperous that the likes of Fashola will relocate to Jamaica to hide their faces.

why are you confusing yourself? The power you are talking about is it not part of the infrastructure?
You said Fashola failed? Don't forget that before fashola an igbo man was the minister of power,can you compare the amount of light we are getting now with the one we got when your people were in charge?

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Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by IamtheTruth1(m): 8:07am On Jul 03, 2022
mach7:
Fashola and Obi are not mates.

One major drawback of Obi is that he talks a lot and if you delve deep into what he is saying most times, it is hard to correlate his words into tangible solutions for the economy.

Furthermore, a lot of youths shouting Obi really do not even bother to critique his ideas or solutions. To them it is simply about being "Obidient"

Abeg obidient to what? Most don't even know.

Before you discredit a man, you got to mention his flaws. U type like a dumbo!After typing all these nonsense. I do hope when you cast your vote next year, you do reflect on the life and better options you want your children to have. Don't feel too comfortable because you're financially free today. Go and look at sri Lanka .
Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:07am On Jul 03, 2022
PHOTSEE:


Oga when you know all those, what have there done about it? You are here killing yourself over mere statement you barely understand , which instances it was made, Is peter obi now buhari ? is peter APC? Was peter obi a minister for the past 7 years of your darling ApCheat regime?

It seems you did not understand Saintinoo. His post is highlighting the philosophy of Peter Obi's suggested Policies.

He is saying Peter Obi's suggestions are the right ways to boost the economy and not building mega structures.

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Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by Ajanakuasla: 8:08am On Jul 03, 2022
No point of dragging other candidates in every topic. Like the explanation of Fashola that’s issue base campaign in a civil manner. Pls let manage our emotions well.
Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by sukar886: 8:08am On Jul 03, 2022
haffaze777:
Only doofus see Pandora clown as Intelligent persongrin
Mugu , no one like obi in ur place , thief, tinubu urchins, una won make tinubu share Nigeria money give una, you people are wicked , so self centered n selfish Intetest ... Rubbish
Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by clinician2x: 8:08am On Jul 03, 2022
TheGoodJoe:


You boost the micro economy first. Get small and medium scale businesses producing. When it is time for doing Macro businesses, the purchase will come from local production.

That is how you drive the economy. From down up. Not from top down.

Abassmt come and learn how to drive economy pragmatically. It flow bottom up, from the MSMEs, that person producing shoes needs to be funded to get more patronage.

Not when you borrow large funds to build stupid railway that nobody is using. Have u entered those trains b4? How much are they adding to GDP when their maintenance cost self pass the revenue.

I no know the kind education una get self

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Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by loswhite(m): 8:10am On Jul 03, 2022
Saintinoo:


How is building and getting necessary equipment for school not a solution to building the economy.

How is becoming a producing nation instead of a consuming one not a solution to building the economy?

How is cutting unecessary cost and channelling these same fund to important things not a solution to grow the economy?

How is investment in SMEs not a solution to growing the economy.

One thing you must understand about Peter Obi supporters is that they are learned and they can relate to his policies. I know what Peter Obi knows, because I am in same field, and I know those are what Nigeria needs.
How can you watch this nonsense and claim that the clown is schooling someone on the economy. The infrastructure so far has not driven the economy. It is obvious that the economy is in total shambles. The ppl showing us this video only showed us that the clown is proving Peter obi right.
The greatest problem of this country is the citizens.

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Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by nedekid: 8:11am On Jul 03, 2022
Kennydoc:


Some of you guys are not smart honestly. It's all about party and tribalism for you.
Fashola's explanation is quite weak and you guys cannot even see it. It's a shame.
Driving an economy is not about providing funds to workers in the short term cos any means of spending money will do the same.
An infrastructure can only be beneficial in driving the economy if it helps to increase foreign exchange earnings either by reducing imports or increasing exports, improve industrialization, improve supply of products and provide permanent employment to workers.
If driving the economy is all about provision of jobs, the host of Nigerian importers in the major markets are also driving the economy, but we know it is in the negative sense.
Borrowing to build railways and bridges in a country that has no power and access roads to many local and agrarian communities where raw materials and food are, is a negative way to drive economy. No wonder Nigeria now used over 80% of it's revenue generation to service loans.
Talking about borrowing loans from China to build infrastructure, go and read about Sri Lanka and their debt crisis. You will understand that Nigeria will soon be in hot soup.
Bro, they know the truth, most of them are not stupid (pardon me).
Tribalism, mistrust is the issue.
Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by Abassmt: 8:12am On Jul 03, 2022
clinician2x:


What are the economic advantages of the railway systems Nigeria borrowed money to build? Trillions of naira wasted there.

Do you know that the annual maintenance budget of those trains pass the revenue it generates?
Why are you people asking this type of questions is common logic Nigeria is too far behind when you are talking about infrastructure in power, transportation and other and investor will not come in to do business in your country without all this even as a Nigerian unless you don't have options.many Nigerian organize thir businesses in our neighboring countries and bring their products here to sell the. The problem is just the curuption and insecurities which no country can survive with. The cost of production is just too much is not easy at all I know what I'm saying.
Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by TotalRunter: 8:13am On Jul 03, 2022
Thinkam:
Why hasn't it been felt by ordinary Nigerians, the gains of the infrastructure, in regards to the economy..
Majority of the infrastructure this APC has put up is based on loans, most of that infrastructure has been rendered useless by insecurity, it was on that premise Peter Obi made his statement.
If the infrastructure APC is putting up isn't based on loans, and no insecurity, we will all hail them.

The point Obi made is, very valid.

Intelligent analysis by you, if only 10% of youths can have deep analysis like this the country will have hope
Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by haffaze777(m): 8:13am On Jul 03, 2022
sukar886:

Mugu , no one like obi in ur place , thief, tinubu urchins, una won make tinubu share Nigeria money give una, you people are wicked , so self centered n selfish Intetest ... Rubbish

I don't respond to mkpurumiri addict.please take notegrin

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Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by clinician2x: 8:14am On Jul 03, 2022
Abassmt:
Why are you people asking this type of questions is common logic Nigeria is too far behind when you are talking about infrastructure in power, transportation and other and investor will not come in to do business in your country without all this even as a Nigerian unless you don't have options.many Nigerian organize thir businesses in our neighboring countries and bring their products here to sell the. The problem is just the curuption and insecurities which no country can survive with. The cost of production is just too much is not easy at all I know what I'm saying.

That is why Peter obi said u cannot drive niverian economy with infrastructure. Simple.

Use that money and equipment businesses. Increase people's purchasing power by increasing salaries so they can buy more and pay more tax even VAT join. That is how the GDP grows. It is not u go and build a railways nobody is using.

Simple thing.

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Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by slimmaintenance(m): 8:15am On Jul 03, 2022
mach7:
Fashola and Obi are not mates.

One major drawback of Obi is that he talks a lot and if you delve deep into what he is saying most times, it is hard to correlate his words into tangible solutions for the economy.

Furthermore, a lot of youths shouting Obi really do not even bother to critique his ideas or solutions. To them it is simply about being "Obidient"

Abeg obidient to what? Most don't even know.


I may agree with you Sir,

But simple electricity that Fashola boosted that any serious government can fix it in 6months, it's past 7 years, and we have declined even in the megawatts we were generating before he became minister.

Don't you think that Nigeria is collapsing and needs a fresh air.

Let me know if you buy basic daily needs cheaper than somw of us.
The same people that failed us for 8 years want to come back again. Do we expect to have different results doing same thing?

Please let's review our decision come 2023.

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Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by redcliff: 8:15am On Jul 03, 2022
mach7:
You see the intellect of the son, and you are querying that of the father? Please receive sense.

Lmao. Pikin get sense no mean say papa get sense pass am. There are many useless fathers around today. They call them deadbeat dads.
Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by pacespot(m): 8:15am On Jul 03, 2022
Fashola, have you forgotten that the price of crude oil per barrel has been hovering around over $100 to $140 for months Now, but it hasn't in any way helped the Naira to regain its value, Naira has been falling against Dollar and other major international currencies despite the oil price rising. How chaotic is that in this Buhari's economy? The only reason that you people attributed to the falling Naira was the slumping oil price, but reverse is the case now.

You don't have to go to school to study economics for you to know that the engine of economic growth worldwide is the private sectors, infrastructure like road and rail network might help but it is not a guarantee for economic growth. Real estate has even proven to be more instrumental for the economic growth than the aforementioned infrastructure, because this capital expenditure helps drive business activities at the consumer level which reduce overhead costs of starting a business, rent.

So infrastructure is not a guarantee for economic growth if it is not aligned with other growth indices that help the private sector to thrive.

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Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by PHOTSEE(m): 8:17am On Jul 03, 2022
3ple9iner:


But PO didn't make Anambra so rich the money he saved has been used to build airport and that's all

How would you grow an economy without infrastructure would a company site it's company if the roads are bad and the power supply you mentioned isn't that also an infrastructure?

Nigeria should be cashing out from gas sales now assuming it has the infrastructure on ground for exploration but we don't have that's why we haven't been able to sell our gas to foreign countries.


Infrastructure comes first before an economy can grow construct roads, generate and supply enough power and the economy would grow.

Oga you can lie ooo, with the bold.

"don't have that's why we haven't been able to sell our gas to foreign countries."

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Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by twilliamx(m): 8:18am On Jul 03, 2022
PresidObi:
Nigeria,

A country where proven public service failures stand up to lecture others who had made a success of both their private and public lives. Fashola should be ashamed of himself for talking about economy even while his government has collapsed under economic woes.

You really cannot use infrastructure to grow the economy, what Fashola failed to mention was that the millions of liters of gas used to build the bridge were imported, at a very negative balance of trade for a country that has gas under its soil? Most of the other materials and manpower are also imported, benefiting foreign countries. The number of expatriate workers in JB will amaze you, with thrice that number serving them as cooks, gardeners, drivers and security men. Loss of foreign currency.

You grow the economy organically, by improvements in the GDP, creating enabling environment with power supply (an area Fashola failed woefully) and making sure more people work and exchange goods and services, not to talk about tax. APC keep proving everyday that they are passers by in the corridors of power.

Vote for Peter Obi.

He will make Nigeria so rich and prosperous that the likes of Fashola will relocate to Jamaica to hide their faces.



Proven failure? Lmao.... No amount of photoshop can help your candidate

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Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by twilliamx(m): 8:19am On Jul 03, 2022
mach7:
Fashola and Obi are not mates.

One major drawback of Obi is that he talks a lot and if you delve deep into what he is saying most times, it is hard to correlate his words into tangible solutions for the economy.

Furthermore, a lot of youths shouting Obi really do not even bother to critique his ideas or solutions. To them it is simply about being "Obidient"

Abeg obidient to what? Most don't even know.

That is what earned him the name Him Tu Lie

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Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by Nobody: 8:22am On Jul 03, 2022
Thinkam:
Why hasn't it been felt by ordinary Nigerians, the gains of the infrastructure, in regards to the economy..
Majority of the infrastructure this APC has put up is based on loans, most of that infrastructure has been rendered useless by insecurity, it was on that premise Peter Obi made his statement.
If the infrastructure APC is putting up isn't based on loans, and no insecurity, we will all hail them.

The point Obi made is, very valid.
obi ruled his state for 8 years,how as that changed the life of a common man in anambra?

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Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by PHOTSEE(m): 8:23am On Jul 03, 2022
3ple9iner:


The would have their effect one way or the other even though it's not being felt.

Imagine a country with no airport, no good roads, no refinery, no school and you are saying the economy would grow when we are not in the stone age.



Don't bring inflated price of as an excuse because the argument is about infrastructure being important in developing an economy.

All those things you mention go and put them in the north , after 1 year come and tell me there current states
Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by Oyiboman69: 8:23am On Jul 03, 2022
Pakute:

It seems you haven't heard that Lekki seaport is the latest infrastructure in town. Tinubu na your mate?
the sole reason you're talking about this seaport is because the government have since been abandoning seaport in other region of the country due to politics....

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Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by 27Pushing30: 8:23am On Jul 03, 2022
clinician2x:


For the fact that you could not even counter the points raised here logically and in paragraphs with facts or near-facts, shows you are empty and you have no form of education, formal or informal.

To counter points I’d need to be dealing with a financially literate person - not just a literate.

So even starting off with illiterates means no need at all.

Continue to wallow in your ignorance

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Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by nony43(m): 8:24am On Jul 03, 2022
Abdul05:
Fashola ,tinubu , osinbajo and Co are all considerable Intellects.....

and ,they are also rational and political healthy unlike the fake one from the land of Biafra,,. grin








And Nigeria have been managing 9000 MW even as he promised us it will be solved in 6 months.
Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by Abassmt: 8:26am On Jul 03, 2022
excess4luv:


Please what infrastructure are you talking about.
Fashola has been minister of power for 7 years yet we are battling collapse grid, no additional megawatts to the grid but he told Nigerians that power isn't rocket science
The problem is that politicians will tell you what will suit you to make you like them and vote for them like Tinubu ,Fashola ,Peter Obi inclusive but no reality these things can not be achieve in short time especially when you are talking about countries as curupt as Nigeria where everyone is looking for ways to get their own share, but a very long time plan and one day if followed by successive gorverment we will achieve it and you will remember who started it.
Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by PHOTSEE(m): 8:26am On Jul 03, 2022
TheGoodJoe:


It seems you did not understand Saintinoo. His post is highlighting the philosophy of Peter Obi's suggested Policies.

He is saying Peter Obi's suggestions are the right ways to boost the economy and not building mega structures.

Oh saintinoo, i am obident

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Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by micflo28(m): 8:26am On Jul 03, 2022
mach7:
Fashola and Obi are not mates.

One major drawback of Obi is that he talks a lot and if you delve deep into what he is saying most times, it is hard to correlate his words into tangible solutions for the economy.

Furthermore, a lot of youths shouting Obi really do not even bother to critique his ideas or solutions. To them it is simply about being "Obidient"

Abeg obidient to what? Most don't even know.
Obidient is not just about infrastructure, it is about production. If we cannot refine even a barrel of oil we use, then we have failed as a nation.
Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by philosophie: 8:26am On Jul 03, 2022
mach7:
Fashola and Obi are not mates.

One major drawback of Obi is that he talks a lot and if you delve deep into what he is saying most times, it is hard to correlate his words into tangible solutions for the economy.

Furthermore, a lot of youths shouting Obi really do not even bother to critique his ideas or solutions. To them it is simply about being "Obidient"

Abeg obidient to what? Most don't even know.
i know what your problem is, insufficient IQ to rationalize his statement. Infrastructure does not drive economy.. Reason, infrastructure is an intrinsic part of the economy hence a driving factor has to be extrinsic. For instance getting more people to work gainfully by job creations and the more they earn the govt. earns to and economy is already on the driveway. Good govt. Policies is another driving factor.. Make i pause here shaa
Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by Saintinoo(m): 8:28am On Jul 03, 2022
Abassmt:
All this your people are talking take time and they will start from somewhere til all the rail Line connect together from north to south, we might not see the impact now but is very good to start somewhere, but the main problem now is curuption that will delay it and insecurities that can destroy the one they are building.

I was in the Northeast in 2015 till almost 2020, the Hausa and Buhari supporters were making the same statement you just made about giving time and everything will work.

I told them same thing I will tell you now, with a plan, I mean visible plan and blueprint, no project can be accomplished.

Infrastructure in Nigeria is a big show off, every politician is building just to show off, they are not hitting the target, they are even building these things at the wrong places.

If you talk about corruption and insecurity, it is the business of the government, be it present or incoming to tackle that.
Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by Edijana2015(m): 8:28am On Jul 03, 2022
mach7:
You see the intellect of the son, and you are querying that of the father? Please receive sense.
I believe you are not a graduate or an undergraduate. You need a a brain transplant.

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Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by Pakute: 8:29am On Jul 03, 2022
bigpicture001:


Bro let's discuss on this topic...

How on Earth will u say building infrastructure is the main way of driving economy.... Yes infray drives economy but it's a policy undertaken by economics when there is a down turn in economic growth.. this is . In period of recession...

But in an ideal moment if a president is aiming to ginger an economy.. it's best to encourage massive investment, be it foreign or local... And. Off all the types of investment that has been proven to help economic growth... Production has. Been the. Most viable.. because in production.. the GDO and. gNP of a Nation grows.. employment rate. Grows.. national income grows, trade deficit is reduced, exchange rate appreciate and international respect and export grows... So in which way is insfrastrure as a means of driving the economy now surerer than investment I. E production...?

Explain sir... I am waiting... And plz don't chicken out
Without Infrastructures, there can never be production. Do you even understand the meaning of infrastructure?. I don't think you do.

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Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by clinician2x: 8:30am On Jul 03, 2022
27Pushing30:


To counter points I’d need to be dealing with a financially literate person - not just a literate.

So even starting off with illiterates means no need at all.

Continue to wallow in your ignorance

Somebpdy wrote about 5 paragraph of logical comment and in your response you just said he is illiterate. Which means you don't even know that literacy is the ability to read and write. You are just shamelessly empty man. It's unfortunate.
Re: Can Infrastructure Drive An Economy? Fashola Counters Peter Obi (2019) by jom28gy(m): 8:31am On Jul 03, 2022
These are some of the crops of politicians that made Buhari government a failure, just under his ministry he can't achieved anything

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