Fearyourcreator:

Stop twisting bible bros... Jesus never said giving willing offering is a sin... Then people giving to you is a sin... If giving to the church is a sin...

Gospel2Day:


You're talking to a pastor.
If you reject tithes because it's in the Old Testament, that is, it's under the Law, then you have no right to claim any promises in the Old Testament.
So, don't ever expect God to fulfil for you any promises He made to those who tithed.
Any prayers you say based on any Old Testament promises are a waste of time and energy. God won't answer.
Beside, Tithing predates the era of the Law.
You people are just ignorant.
Hypocrites love to claim the blessings of Abraham and Israelites. But they dislike the responsibility of giving their Tithes to God.

Onosb1990:
Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-P4dbx-dNw

I was wrong- US clergyman, Creflo Dollar, denounces his position on tithing, asks his followers to destroy every book and tape he has ever written and preached on tithing because it's not biblical.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/Cflj6bmgGj1/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

43Ronin:

As a pastor it seems you don't understand what tithes meant to the Israelites. Tithe was simply a tax system (10%) which was used to cater for the priests ministering to yhwh on behalf of the people. because they were offering daily sacrifices to God they couldn't work hence the reason why Tithing was needed to keep them from being hungry and destitute.
Now tell me why you are collecting tithe? Are you a chief priest? Is there a temple? Do you see God in the holy-of-holies. Are you now offering sacrifices on behalf of ur congregation to GOD? Are you.now Jesus that has been made a high priest in the order of Melchizedek and his sacrifice was once and final?
Hmmm, be careful oo Mr pastor, you can already see the road you are heading on [b](Galatians 5:4 - (A)You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; (B)you have fallen from grace)[/b]You are not a levite & there is no temple so why are you collecting tithe? Did the desciples collect tithes? Didn't the desciples ask for donations so that they shared every they got and there wasn't a needy amongst them? Acts 4:34-36. Don't send yourself to hell because of money oo. Creflo dollar has repented, same with benny hinn.
Hypocrisy is Tithing under law, but refusing to kill your stubborn son

43Ronin:

As a pastor it seems you don't understand what tithes meant to the Israelites. Tithe was simply a tax system (10%) which was used to cater for the priests ministering to yhwh on behalf of the people. because they were offering daily sacrifices to God they couldn't work hence the reason why Tithing was needed to keep them from being hungry and destitute.
Now tell me why you are collecting tithe? Are you a chief priest? Is there a temple? Do you see God in the holy-of-holies. Are you now offering sacrifices on behalf of ur congregation to GOD? Are you.now Jesus that has been made a high priest in the order of Melchizedek and his sacrifice was once and final?
Hmmm, be careful oo Mr pastor, you can already see the road you are heading on [b](Galatians 5:4 - (A)You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; (B)you have fallen from grace)[/b]You are not a levite & there is no temple so why are you collecting tithe? Did the desciples collect tithes? Didn't the desciples ask for donations so that they shared every they got and there wasn't a needy amongst them? Acts 4:34-36. Don't send yourself to hell because of money oo. Creflo dollar has repented, same with benny hinn.
Hypocrisy is Tithing under law, but refusing to kill your stubborn son

mohims:

Ijapa your days are numbered. Go fight your fellow that said Tithe is not biblical it nah. Is it a crime for me to celebrate the wonderful man of God for revealing the truth? If e pain you go drink sniper. Olodo

Gospel2Day:


Leave us who believe and give and receive tithes alone.
Is it your money?
Your hypocrisy is exposed when you claim promises God made to His tithing people in the Bible.
To show you are not hypocrite, don't you ever claim again in your life any promise given to the people of Israel because even Satan will accuse you before God against answering you.
Greedy and stingy lots, they only like to receive blessings and promises. They get angry and throw tantrums when it comes to sacrificial, consistent giving. As if it's not God Who owns everything they have in the first place.

Gospel2Day:



Do you know how many people are on the payroll of churches?
Your comment has exposed your hypocrisy and ignorance.
So, you don't know that there are full time church workers?
Now that you know how do you think they are being paid their monthly salary?

Gospel2Day:


I have just TWO questions for you:
1. Should New Testament saints give to God more or less than the Old Testament Jews did?
2. What did Jesus teach His disciples about Tithing in Matthew 23?
I await your answers.
Shalom.

Fearyourcreator:

Your type plenty here ... Na just to dey talk anyhow...
Another Sunday go come ... Carry mega phone dey shout say make them no pay offering and tithe... Na you go tire ...

mohims:

Mumu you office don dey close for you. E dey pain you. I feel your pain. Chai this pastor really do una strong thing. Take heart you hear. I feel your pain

4tunebest:
For me, personally, the reason why I pay tithe is not because the Bible commands it or not. I pay tithe just to show God that I am grateful for provision and would willingly give a part of it to show my gratitude. I know how poverty dealt with me in the past and how God intervened to make me swim in the abundance I have now. So for someone like me, tithing is an act of gratitude to God and no propaganda can make me stop paying tithe.

My conviction is beyond what is written in the scriptures or what pastors preach

There is so much controversy about payment of tithes because some pastors chose to preach tithe by instilling fear and telling congregants "the Bible commands it". They failed to approach and teach tithing from a place of deep love for God and willingness to give. Nobody should be compelled to pay tithe. Rather, pastors should focus on genuinely winning the hearts of congregants to have genuine love for God and they wont have to compel, force, preach, harass or guilt-trip them into paying tithes.

Payment of tithe should come from a place of deep love for God and not because a pastor said the Bible commands it.

I wish others that have a contrary view to tithing, all the best

genkins:


The problem with people like u Is that, after attending Bible school and being taught by an equally ignorant fellow like u, u now feel u know scriptures. Lol
1.new testament saints can only give to God in one way..and it's in Matt 25:31-46. Contributions and freewill offering in our local church are gifts of love simple but can be to God if it's shared among the needy.
2.for u to say that Jesus taught his disciples in Matt 23 shows how ignorant you are of the scriptures and you say u r a pastor.. Lol.
In Matt 23:23,jesus was talking to the pharisees and teachers of the law that they pay more attention to less relevant things under thier Jewish law like tithing instead of justice, faith and mercy. They are suppose to do both with more reference to what's more important.. Thats why he called them blind fools.. That they spend time cleaning the outside of a jar, is the inside not more important?
Besides, Jesus was under the law atm and Christianity had not started till after he gave his life on the cross. This one wey I teach you free of charge.. U go pay oo.. But shame dey catch me for you oo

genkins:


The problem with people like u Is that, after attending Bible school and being taught by an equally ignorant fellow like u, u now feel u know scriptures. Lol
1.new testament saints can only give to God in one way..and it's in Matt 25:31-46. Contributions and freewill offering in our local church are gifts of love simple but can be to God if it's shared among the needy.
2.for u to say that Jesus taught his disciples in Matt 23 shows how ignorant you are of the scriptures and you say u r a pastor.. Lol.
In Matt 23:23,jesus was talking to the pharisees and teachers of the law that they pay more attention to less relevant things under thier Jewish law like tithing instead of justice, faith and mercy. They are suppose to do both with more reference to what's more important.. Thats why he called them blind fools.. That they spend time cleaning the outside of a jar, is the inside not more important?
Besides, Jesus was under the law atm and Christianity had not started till after he gave his life on the cross. This one wey I teach you free of charge.. U go pay oo.. But shame dey catch me for you oo

43Ronin:


1Thessaloniki 2:9
For ye remember, brethren, our labour and travail: for labouring night and day, because we would not be chargeable unto any of you, we preached unto you the gospel of God.

genkins:


For you. Never claim the salvation that the blood of christ brings. Giving or collecting tithe is against the finished work of christ on the cross. Tithing is a sin against the holy spirit and it can never be forgiven. God help u

Gospel2Day:


You're ignorant.
Irresponsible folks always wanting free things, without sacrificial commitment.
The implications of the Blood of Christ shed to purchase us means He owns everything we are and have.
So, based on the fact that Jesus died for you and me, you have no rights over your money again.
He only decides and determines how you spend it
And in 2 Corinthians 9 : 6 & 7 we are enjoined to give both CHEERFULLY AND BOUNTIFULLY, meaning Plentously.
So, if you earn 100k and you want to give cheerfully and bountifully won't you give more than 10k?
They want to be higher than the Jews, but don't want to give higher than them.
Hypocrites.

Gospel2Day:


Have you finished exposing and announcing your ignorance to the world?
So, giving to the poor is the ONLY way to give in the New Testament?
Which church do you attend, and which pastor raised you?
So, you didn't see other places in your own Bible where Believers are enjoined by Paul to give towards Gospel Causes and Minister's upkeep ?
It just goes to show how manipulative and hypocritical you're to have picked only Matthew 25 as the only way Christians should give.
Let me help cure your ignorance and arrogance.
In 1 Corinthians 16 v 1 - 4, believers give offerings every Sunday to gather money to support Jerusalem saints under persecution.
In Titus 3 : 14 Paul exhorted Christians to give towards meeting urgent financial needs of the church.
In Galatia 6 : 10 Paul asked believers to give to the needy and ESPECIALLY towards pastor's upkeep.
Read 1 Corinthians 9 : 13 & 14.
Jesus COMMANDED those who preach the Gospel to get their livelihood from the Gospel.
So, how will that be possible, if as you wrongly said that the ONLY way to give in the New Testament is in Matthew 25?
If the tithing Jesus spoke to the people in Matthew 23 no longer binds in the Church Age, what about the "justice, mercy, and faithfulness" He spoke about there? Are those also not binding, simply because Jesus spoke them before His death and resurrection?

genkins:


The problem with you Nigerians is lack of comprehension. Maybe because of the substandard education you are exposed to.
Now sit down son, use ur head and listen.

Giving to the poor is not the only way to give. BUT GIVING TO THE POOR OR NEEDY IS THE ONLY WAY TO GIVE TO GOD.
Giving to the church is not to God. Unless it's used for the poor or needy.go back and read Matt 25 again and tell me who the sheep gave to that made them make heaven. Supporting the gospel is a good thing but giving to God is another thing.
Now, can u spot the difference?

Now u going back to still show ur vast ignorance about Matt 23 shows that you need to unlearn the rubbish your fraudster pastors taught you. Research the difference BTW Judaism and Christianity, maybe u just might wake up

Gospel2Day:
1.There's something about a true believer that you do not exude.

2. Jesus taught Blessed are the pure in spirit .
Blessed are the persecuted for theirs is the kingdom of God.
According to you, those Beatitudes do not apply to Christians, abi?
I give up when you said giving to the gospel is not giving to God.
Both family-wise and Church-wise, you're not well raised, I'm sorry to say.

Gospel2Day:


Your use of words shows clearly a deficiency in your upbringing. You lack courtesy and respect. And it is highly unlikely you're born again.
There's something about a true believer that you do not exude.
Jesus taught Blessed are the pure in spirit.
Blessed are the persecuted for theirs is the kingdom of God.
According to you, those Beatitudes do not apply to Christians, abi?
I give up when you said giving to the gospel is not giving to God.
Both family-wise and Church-wise, you're not well raised, I'm sorry to say.

Gospel2Day:


Your use of words shows clearly a deficiency in your upbringing. You lack courtesy and respect. And it is highly unlikely you're born again.
There's something about a true believer that you do not exude.
Jesus taught Blessed are the pure in spirit.
Blessed are the persecuted for theirs is the kingdom of God.
According to you, those Beatitudes do not apply to Christians, abi?
I give up when you said giving to the gospel is not giving to God.
Both family-wise and Church-wise, you're not well raised, I'm sorry to say.

genkins:


Lol.. He backs out after he cannot defend his ignorance.. Him that is born again, howcome the holy spirit cannot interprete simple scriptures to him?
It's his type that thinks being born again is placing your 2 hands together to answer altar call and repeating the nonsense his pastors dictate for him to say.. but later he will pray for his enemies to die and give money to mammon.. Lol.. Hahahahahajaj

Gospel2Day:


Back out for what reason?
You're both ignorant and arrogant.
To you, NOTHING in the Bible matters, NOT even what Jesus said, except what happened after His resurrection.
So, you can cut away Genesis to John in your Bible then.
You don't impress me with your half-baked knowledge of the Bible.
Satan also knows and quotes the Bible.
But he and others like you don't exhibit the fruit of the Spirit.
May you find help soon.

genkins:


With the rate u are Goin, you won't learn anything. Too much pride in ignorance. Maybe in the next 3yrs,ie if ul have sense by then, ul come back to what u wrote here and be ashamed of yourself.

It's ur type that thinks everything biblical is Christian. Ur type doesn't know that the Bible contains 2 religions.it's ur type that thinks the shrine u goto on Sunday is the church, It's Ur type that thinks Elisha and David were Christians, no wonder u goto ur shrine every sunday to dance like David danced.. Lol.. I don't blame u actually.. Ignorance begets ignorance.. Hahajajajja

genkins:


With the rate u are Goin, you won't learn anything. Too much pride in ignorance. Maybe in the next 3yrs,ie if ul have sense by then, ul come back to what u wrote here and be ashamed of yourself.

It's ur type that thinks everything biblical is Christian. Ur type doesn't know that the Bible contains 2 religions.it's ur type that thinks the shrine u goto on Sunday is the church, It's Ur type that thinks Elisha and David were Christians, no wonder u goto ur shrine every sunday to dance like David danced.. Lol.. I don't blame u actually.. Ignorance begets ignorance.. Hahajajajja

Gospel2Day:


According to your error, the teaching of Jesus to turn the other cheek when slapped does not apply to and is not binding on Christians, since He taught it before He died and rose from the dead.
So your kind of Christians should slap back whoever slaps them first.
Also, the teaching of Jesus to forgive others 70 times 7 times is not binding on Christians because such teaching is not in Acts to Revelation, abi?
The reason I pity you more is because of the prideful confidence you have in your ignorance.
May you find help soonest.

genkins:


I don't have time to teach you.lemme just try.. But I don't expect u to understand. Uve been brainwashed thoroughly and maybe u have limited education.
Christ came to usher in the new way. His assertions were at variance to what the pharisees knew. He kept on telling the jews but they couldn't understand. Jesus was still under the law.
Matt 23:23
23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth(A) of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness.(B) You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
Observe the bolded word.
Get this straight into your empty skull. When he rebuked the pharisees for giving tithes and thus neglecting to do what is more important in thier law, he was referring to thier Judaism practice.that, even in thier Judaism they are to do all but can't they understand that justice, mercy and faith are more important?

When reading scripture, observe who is speaking, who is spoken to and for what purpose the statement is made. I never inferred that anything christ said before his death is not Christian.Use ur head. What was in place then was the law of Moses, which he came to fulfill (complete) and to show a new way.
Turning the other cheek and forgiveness were not in practice under the law, the law said an eye for an eye. Tithing was under the old law and christ mocked the teachers of the law for not emphasing what's more important in thier law. They were not supposed to go against thier own laws(Moses) which was imperfect and difficult to keep until he, christ fulfilled it. Christ fulfilled the law of tithing.

Now, who is ignorant? My boy, ignorance is not a crime. Own up and be saved. That's the only way u can learn.forget ur dumb pastor, they only know how to collect ur money and sleep with ur wives.. Lol

Gospel2Day:



The more you insist to know, the more you expose your ignorance.
It is obvious you don't know or understand The Principle of First Mention in Biblical Interpretation.
Check your Bible again and you will see that Tithing was in practice before God established the Nation of Israel and gave Moses the Law at Sinai.
Tithing did not come with the Law . The fulfilment of the Law by Jesus did not invalidate it.
During Pre-Law times, it was given both by Abraham and Jacob freely by conviction, and NOT by commandment or compulsion.
I can see you emboldened and emphasized THE LAW.
Sorry, you're very ignorant. Tithing is not a baby of the Law.
Levi, the progenitor of Aaronic Priests who took tithes under the Law figuratively PAID TITHES THROUGH ABRAHAM to the superior Priestly Order of Melchizedek.
The very Priestly Order presently operating in the Church Age or Christian Era.
The Priesthood of Christ receives tithes from humans BY CONVICTION AND NOT BY COMMANDMENT OR COMPULSION.
If Paul said Levites paid tithes to Melchizedek, how wise of you to claim and very proudly too that Tithing is exclusively paid under the Law?
How can people under the Era of Grace, to whom much more has been given GIVE LESS than Jews who operated under an inferior Covenan
Check your Bible again, you will see The Principle of Proportionality stated by Jesus Himself, when He said "To whom much more is given, much more is expected." EXPECTED, not COMMANDED. EXPECTATION from COMMITMENT AND CONVICTION.
Can you apply that to Tithing?
Does that Principle suggest that Christians may have to give more than tithes to further the gospel and to do charity deeds?
Actually, tithing should be THE LEAST expected of Christians, by way of giving.
Remember, the God Abraham paid tithes to he called "the Possessor of heaven and the earth", the very same thing Melchizedek said "Blessed be the God of Abram, the Possessor of heaven and earth."
Can you see where the CONVICTION that spurred Abraham to tithe came from?
Can you be THE OWNER of a sum of money and the human caretaker you put in charge of your money is arguing about giving you A Tenth of what is your own possession?
There is much I would like to teach you but you are too full of yourself to learn.
You claim to be a Christian, but you called me "empty skull".
It's alright. I understand.
It is impossible to act like one is a Christian when they're really not by experience.
Even in Bible Schools, there are professors of Theology who are not Born Again yet.
So, I hold no grudge.
I only pray you humble yourself, take a bow at the foot of the Cross and ask for the experience of genuine regeneration.
God bless you.
Shalom.

genkins:


This is the stupidest thing I have ever read.. Such a lengthy hogwash.that I said ur brain is empty as a fact is not an insult.

Tithing was not commanded before the law. Fraudulent pastors seem to claim that since Abraham(Abram) gave tithes(once) to melchizedek it means we can tithe as grace.. Lol. Or that since Jacob vowed to tithe, that means tithe was in practice.. Lol.. Another scam.

U keep shooting ur self in the foot. U claim christ said Christians should tithe.. I showed you that the tithe christ talked about was the law type(Matt 23:23)
You now changed pattern claiming that tithe is prelaw and Christians should do the type Abraham did.. Hahahajajajajj.. Ignorance at best.

Read the Bible for your self. U gain nothing from tithing. The person that gains from tithing is your pastor so he will twist and twist so that u must pay.

1.Abram gave tithes to melchizedek before he became Abraham.(mnn.. Think)
2.Abraham did it only once after he fought a war. (who told u to do it Monthly.. Ur guess is as good as mine)
3.Abraham received bread and wine before he gave melchizedek the honorarium.
4.Abraham gave from spoils of war and not from his wealth(u fools don't goto war right? and yet u pay from ur salary.. Laughable)
5.Abraham gave back 90% to the owner of the loot.. King of Sodom.(why don't u return back 90% to ur employer.. Lol.
6.Abraham gave tithes to melchizedek who had no beginning and end. (your pastors were not born? , won't they die?)
7.Only christ is in the order of melchizedek. (Christ did not even qualify to receive tithes here on earth neither did he receive tithes. when he left, he never appointed ur fraudsters to collect on his behalf)

U can see that as a Christian, it is impossible to give or receive tithes under Abraham(prelaw) neither can u under the law of Moses.

Tithing in Christianity is a sin against the holy spirit, an insult to the freedom and finished work of christ.

Now lemme ask you, what is the essence of What Paul wrote in hebrews 7?im sure u don't know.

You copied the rubbish u wrote up there maybe from your pastors pamphlet.. Lol


Now, giving in Christianity is freewill. 100%,5%..as u like. Christ paid it all on the cross. We Christians are now free. We don't give to be blessed neither do we give to rebuke the devourer.. We give in love which is the message of christ.any pastor manipulating you to give more that 10% claiming that since the jew do 10%,u should do more, is a big thief.
You should repent boy!