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MaxInDHouse:
Heat boils things and when one huge stone fall on another any observer can see the sparkling so people back then must have learned from that. You have heard of Isaac Newton who discovered the force of gravity. It was through an accident nah.
So common sense should tell us that most things we know today came through trial and error after an accident.
The man who discovered the train was boiling water in a kettle only to notice that after the water got to a boiling point the kettle started moving and today the world has advanced further. So great things begins little by little but it's by keeping records that the next generation can improve and records are nothing but WRITTEN FORMS of GUIDE BOOKS!

Did Newton read about gravity somewhere?

Moreover, Newton's gravity theory have been debunked.

Gravity is not a force

helinues:
You are not getting the point... OIR Advanced civilization started when we started cooking our food which nourish our brains to function more better than before

Now you're doing exactly what i'm trying to explain!

What you just typed now must have been WRITTEN somewhere and i'm sure you will direct me to the link so that i can AGREE with you on this information.

So mankind need a GUIDE BOOK too to live as in cohabit peacefully!

MaxInDHouse:
Now you're doing exactly what i'm trying to explain!

What you just typed now must have been WRITTEN somewhere and i'm sure you will direct me to the link so that i can AGREE with you on this information.

So mankind need a GUIDE BOOK too to live as in cohabit peacefully!

Hahahahaha, are you kidney me?

Written at where.

Meanwhile, most of the stories in the bible are just fable.

helinues:
Did Newton read about gravity somewhere?
Moreover, Newton's gravity theory have been debunked.
Gravity is not a force

Good!
Now we're getting somewhere.
Newton's discoveries were RECORDED and for centuries many have used it to teach in schools but today we can debunk it due to advancement.
So if there's no guide book how can we know that we are advancing in knowledge?

MaxInDHouse:
Good!
Now we're getting somewhere.
Newton's discoveries were RECORDED and for centuries many have used it to teach in schools but today we can debunk it due to advancement.
So if there's no guide book how can we know that we are advancing in knowledge?

Did Newton read about gravity somewhere?

helinues:
Hahahahaha, are you kidney me?
Written at where.

Oh are you trying to say you lied or guess what you typed earlier?
I know you must have heard that from someone somewhere that's why it's registered (WRITTEN) in your brains for you to say it now!

helinues:
Meanwhile, most of the stories in the bible are just fable.

Let's keep the Bible aside for now and focus on a more important topic which is:
how two or more individuals can agree on terms without a GUIDE BOOK!

Today if you see anyone peeling a yam the first thought that comes to your mind is "FOOD" then you start thinking of different kinds of food that one can make with yam.
All these are stored somewhere in your mind because you've tasted different kinds of food made of yam.
But how will you feel observing the one peeling the yam start slicing and chewing it directly with oil and pepper without cooking?

Or when someone start eating beans without cooking?

Of course you'll be surprised!
Why? Because it has been WRITTEN in your mind that it's not to be so but because you have not sat down to agree on how yam should be prepared you can't correct him in any way.
That's the purpose of guide books Sir!

MaxInDHouse:
Oh are you trying to say you lied or guess what you typed earlier?
I know you must have heard that from someone somewhere that's why it's registered (WRITTEN) in your brains for you to say it now!

Let's keep the Bible aside for now and focus on a more important topic which is:
how two or more individuals can agree on terms without a GUIDE BOOK!

Today if you see anyone peeling a yam the first thought that comes to your mind is "FOOD" then you start thinking of different kinds of food that one can make with yam.
All these are stored somewhere in your mind because you've tasted different kinds of food made of yam.
But how will you feel observing the one peeling the yam start slicing and chewing it directly with oil and pepper without cooking?

Or when someone start eating beans without cooking?

Of course you'll be surprised!
Why? Because it has been WRITTEN in your mind that it's not to be so but because you have not sat down to agree on how yam should be prepared you can't correct him in any way.
That's the purpose of guide books Sir!

The early civilization as far back as 300 yrs, was there any guidelines books which they read?

helinues:
Did Newton read about gravity somewhere?

NO but people someone discovers something and pass the information to others, that's how infos go round Sir!

MaxInDHouse:
NO but people someone discovers something and pass the information to others, that's how infos go round Sir!

Meaning some things can be acquired through thorough thinking without reading it anywhere right?

helinues:
The early civilization as far back as 300 yrs, was there any guidelines books which they read?

You and i are typing and reading each others comments now due to advancement in technology. So back then there was nothing like internet as well but they do agree on terms and conditions before they can live together in peace. Written forms or guide books came along with CIVILIZATION Sir!

If someone should come to claim your house today the only evidence you have to prove that you're the rightful owner of the house are WRITTEN documents and survey showing how you planned your house from the beginning.


In the absence of that both of you have no evidence.
So guide books become necessary due to civilization Sir!

helinues:
Meaning some things can be acquired through thorough thinking without reading it anywhere right?

Of course but then we must agree to make use of it and it's by WRITING DOWN the procedures so that others as in the next generation can continue if they can't improve on it Sir!

MaxInDHouse:
Of course but then we must agree to make use of it and it's by WRITING DOWN the procedures so that others as in the next generation can continue if they can't improve on it Sir!

Writing down is a continuation of passing knowledge which is for our own good and development

helinues:
Writing down is a continuation of passing knowledge which is for our own good and development

Good!

That means we must study the books in which the information (knowledge) was WRITTEN for our own benefits!

MaxInDHouse:
Good!

That means we must study the books in which the information (knowledge) was WRITTEN for our own benefits!

Yeah mostly educative books not fable written books

helinues:
Yeah mostly educative books not fable written books

Books are written to pass information and authors had one or two things in mind before writing their books. So if you don't know the reason why a book was written and you never cared to find out then the book becomes like fables to you!

MaxInDHouse:
Books are written to pass information and authors had one or two things in mind before writing their books. So if you don't know the reason why a book was written and you never cared to find out then the book becomes like fables to you!

So which information or knowledge is in Noah Ark's story?

Israelites conquered the land, the land given to them by who? Or is God now a real estate agent?

helinues:
So which information or knowledge is in Noah Ark's story?
Israelites conquered the land, the land given to them by who? Or is God now a real estate agent?

I know you've read books a lot and you agreed with the authors opinion after reading the whole book with interest, someone may read just a paragraph or page and condemn the same book .

So instead of picking just a portion of a book don't you think it's better to ask:

What exactly does this Author had in mind to pass to the readers?

I think that should be the best approach not just picking a paragraph or page then running a conclusion on the whole book!

MaxInDHouse:
I know you've read books a lot and you agreed with the authors opinion after reading the whole book with interest, someone may read just a paragraph or page and condemn the same book .

So instead of picking just a portion of a book don't you think it's better to ask:

What exactly does this Author had in mind to pass to the readers?

I think that should be the best approach not just picking a paragraph or page then running a conclusion on the whole book!

The honest truth about myself, not a fan of reading books but that doesn't mean I don read lots of stuffs online.

You see all those books are written to massage some people's egos.

The Israelites claimed they are children of God, what else would you expect them to say when they are mostly the one who write the bible

helinues:
The honest truth about myself, not a fan of reading books but that doesn't mean I don read lots of stuffs online.
You see all those books are written to massage some people's egos.
The Israelites claimed they are children of God, what else would you expect them to say when they are mostly the one who write the bible

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, well you never really studied that book.
The Author only used Israelites as secretaries to pen down the information the book is not all about them!

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, well you never really studied that book.
The Author only used Israelites as secretaries to pen down the information the book is not all about them!

The problem which I have with books is most of the books are written to validate or support the writer's Beliefs

USA will always claim to be the best country in the world, so as China, Russia..

So who exactly should we believe

helinues:
The problem which I have with books is most of the books are written to validate or support the writer's Beliefs
USA will always claim to be the best country in the world, so as China, Russia..
So who exactly should we believe

Well according to the Bible Israelites are the most accursed people on this planet today!


But how will you know if you never really study that book?

The Author only used the Israelites as His secretaries to pen down the information as i've said earlier but the book has little or nothing to do with any nation in a geographical setting!

helinues:
The problem which I have with books is most of the books are written to validate or support the writer's Beliefs

USA will always claim to be the best country in the world, so as China, Russia..

So who exactly should we believe

I thought you said you have a brain, so why is it not functioning?

I don't need a book to tell that I too can write my book and say I am the best!

I don't need to believe or unbelieve or even care whether there are other books.

Dtruthspeaker:
I thought you said you have a brain, so why is it not functioning?

I don't need a book to tell that I too can write my book and say I am the best!

What is this one saying?

MaxInDHouse:
Well according to the Bible Israelites are the most accursed people on this planet today!


But how will you know if you never really study that book?

The Author only used the Israelites as His secretaries to pen down the information as i've said earlier but the book has little or nothing to do with any nation in a geographical setting!

Who wrote the bible?

Would you have expected them to say they are not the best cold beer on a sunny day?

Meanwhile you ignored the USA. Russia instance

helinues:
What is this one saying?

See, and yet again, you are not able to comprehend, yet you say you have a brain

Dtruthspeaker:
See, and yet again, you are not able to comprehend, yet you say you have a brain

Why should I comprehend incoherent things, look at your other brother in Christ that we have been conversing on this thread, do you see us having any issue?

helinues:
Who wrote the bible?
Would you have expected them to say they are not the best cold beer on a sunny day?

The Bible is like the information from a CEO to his staff, the message was to be passed round so that all workers can have it as message on their mobile devices. His secretary typed what the CEO dictates and passed the soft copy to all the workers (including the secretary)
But sadly most of the staff ignored the message including the secretary who type the information as he's hearing directly from the mouth of the CEO!
Please whose punishment will be more severe, those who only received the message on their mobile devices or the secretary who typed it?

That's exactly the condition of Israelites today!

helinues:
Meanwhile you ignored the USA. Russia instance

They're just like any other countries in the world so they're irrelevant in this case !

helinues:
Why should I comprehend incoherent things, look at your other brother in Christ that we have been conversing on this thread, do you see us having any issue?

He is not my brother neither is he in Christ which is proven by his entanglement with you.

Christ does not do that. He gives you 1,2 3 and He goes away and you are free to leave and doscard His Gift on the floor exactly the way we freely throw way flyers. No quarrel, no hassle, no marketing.

helinues:
Why should I comprehend incoherent things, look at your other brother in Christ that we have been conversing on this thread, do you see us having any issue?

Jesus is the world's most wonderful counselor of all time {Isaiah 9:6} so even when someone is hostile {John 4:7-9} he knows how to calm the situation {John 4:10} so that the listener can testify to the high intelligence and wisdom in a true child of God! John 4:28

You still need to learn a lot my friend it's not all those calling Jesus "Lord! Lord!" that are his friends, most of them he doesn't even know them at all! Matthew 7:21-23

So ignore any distractions now so that we can continue our sweet conversation about the book above all other books (Bible) trust me most people only carry it about but they know nothing in it! Matthew 15:7-9

By their FRUITS you will know those belonging to the Prince of Peace and misrepresentations! Matthew 7:16-18

AntiChristian:
I asked how it is just. You didn't answer. If you steal and you are punished yet your son has to inherit your sin, how is that justice from God?

In the bible there is sin as an act and sin as a nature. Sin as an act is not transferable but sin as a nature is transferable. Every Son or daughter bears the image of their parents right? Everyone bears the image of Adam.

Of what use is the punishment on Adam and Eve and all humans from Adam's sin? Does God want everyone to hate Adam? Yet, God punished them but didn't forgive them. This is not merciful. This is not loving! This is not fairness!
Today you Christians will claim forginess easily but God never granted Adam such!

wrong God is not punishing any one from Adam's sin. We simply inherited Adam's property. If your father gave you a land that is filled with thorns does that mean you are been punished for you fathers sin?

Kindly answer all the questions without skipping one else i will remind you.


You are fond of skipping questions intentionally. I asked when did your inheritance of sin stop?
Let's assume you have ten thousand generations from Adam, the sons of Adam inherit his sins. So sins are being transferred down the ladder till it gets to you. The sins will be so heavy! How is God just and fair like this? When will the inheritance of sins you don't know anything about stop?

Who is fighting with you?[/quote]Why do you recieve the DNA of your parents? Is it just to recieve the DNA of your parents. Answer this question

He is Al-Qudoos The Most Holy! You lied He accommodates sin. There are punishment for sins in Islam. And Allah forgives whoever repents sincerely going back to Him alone in worship without joining any partners with Him.

Allah is not holy, there is no evidence of this.
The fact that yahweh is Holy is clear to every one. The evidence is the price it takes for sin to be pardoned.

The biblical God punished Adam, Even and heavily but doesn't forgive them. He let their sins be inherited for him to later kill His only son! This is injustice at its peak!

Where did you read that God didn't forgive Adam and Eve Yahweh forgives sin but the price must be paid in full. Did Allah kill Mohammad? since Mohammead died or Allah does not have the power to prevent Mohammad death.

Since Jesus was born by Mary, how much sin did he inherit? Or there was an exemption to only him inheriting any sin? I remember his ancestors were fornicators, murderer, coveter, incest comitter, etc. Did he inherit those sins?

Mary is not a Man, In the bible the Man is the head not the woman.

You can come up with a theory of how he was sinless. But all man has sin and come short of the glory of God.

Jesus is the son of man as he called himself and was called many times.
And you didn't even bring any verse from your Yahweh!

The bible is read in context.
Jesus is the Son of man referred to the fact that he is human however sinless.

Steep:
Yes religion matters, a religion is anything that guides us in life. Anything that forms what we believe to be true or false, it might be spiritual, physical etc
I laugh when some declare themselves as non religious, majority of the time what they mean is either they don't believe in the idea of God or they do not believe or take seriously the major world religion Islam and Christianity, the truth is that there is nobody without a religion.

Truth is never personal, the new age religion teaches that truth is relative and personal, meaning everyone can have there own personal truth or truth can change depending on the times. This is a lie, truth is truth and never changes, it is never relative neither is it personal. People who live their truth are living is deception and in ignorance.

The man who believe there is God and the man who believe there is no God, both can never be true.
Hence religion matters because truth matters, eternity matters, you don't invest in a business without finding out what type of business it is, it's is far worse in religion because it as to do with eternity.

Every religion has a message, this message can either be a lie or true.
The message of christianity called the gospel of Jesus christ.
The summary of the Christian message is that there is God who created all things including humans, this God is a holy, righteou, faithful loving and just God. He created all humans through one man Adam however this one man sinned and brought death upon all his descendants, all who sinned are would just be punished for their sin according to God's holiness which is his standard. This punishment is eternal death from God. However through history God has being pointing forward to a Time of redemption for mankind.
This redemption is Jesus christ himself who was born by a vigin lived a sinless life as the son of God paid took the judgment for our sin through his death, and after three days he rose again from the grave is a confirmation. He ascended into Heaven and will return back again to restore all things and judge mankind.

In Christianity truth is not relative, there is no personal truth there is just one truth who is Jesus himself. Sin is dangerous brings suffering on earth and eternal condemnation in eternity but the only solution is redemption which is Jesus.
Hence the problem is clear clear, Sin, and the solution is also clear faith in Jesus. There are no rituals, killing animals because Christ has already being killed and raised again, both the literate and the illiterate can understand the message, it is not gender biased nether race biased no segregate the rich and the poor.
"All have sinned" man or woman, blacks, or whites, rich or poor, educated or not educated and ll need Jesus.

How is Christianity different from all other religion.
Only Christianity preaches that the problem of mankind is sin problem and preaches the solution Jesus Christ.
In Christianity God is exalted as the holy, righteous, and loving God he is, Jesus by his death satisfied all of God's quality without rubbishing anyone. His death satisfied God's justice as well as open us to God's love unhindered.
A religion that does not need God' justice to be satisfied simply rubbishes it.

Some people would say why would God not forgive humans without Jesus dieing? The answer simply is God's justice can never be by passed it must be carried out.

However every human would need to make use of the freewill they have to either accept christ or not. Accept christ is accepting God's redemption not accepting christ is not accepting God's redemption, since God is a Go of liberty he will never force anyone to be save humans will have to choose.

LoLz. Isn't it funny that you accuse new age religion of making truth "relative and personal, meaning everyone can have there own personal truth or truth can change depending on the times" but here you are making religion mean something it is not. If you can change the meaning of religion to what you want it to mean for your own narrative then you are just as guilty.

helinues:
Moreover, Newton's gravity theory have been debunked.

Gravity is not a force

This is not correct. Newton's idea of gravity still holds but it doesn't represent the full picture, that is it's only true in certain frames of reference. Einstein's theories give us a fuller picture of what gravity is. Moreover there is a force called the gravitational force which is one of the 4 fundamental forces of the universe.