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Don't fight for yourselves and be waiting for political godfatherism to bail you out of the economic meltdown.

This one na thread for non-private school children. During my time most of the people I knew longed for ASUU strikes because they meant more months for socialising. I envied them a little until I recognised it'll make staying in university — a place I wanted to do away with quick — longer than necessary.

Nazgul:
Are they fighting for their selfish interests or that of the students?

Personally, I don’t get seduced by the facade of fighting the government every time in the name of strike and people will willingly pull their strides behind ASUU. It doesn’t always move me. I want to ask the question; is ASUU really fighting for the well-being of the students, or are they using the fact that Nigeria is a failed government to clone as a facade to pursue their selfish interests, because they know that people will always fall behind them?

If ASUU is fighting for the welfare of the students, why won’t they also consider the welfare of the students and return to school? Why are they so comfortable that our students are at home since February, 2022 up till now? That is a period of 5 months and they are not even ready to move.

They don’t even care. As for me, I don’t support the Nigerian Labour Congress (NLC) joining ASUU in the strike. If ASUU is fighting for the welfare of the students, and they want us to believe that they have no ulterior motive, why haven’t they come out with their templates and convince Nigerians of their demands? Have they explained to the students exactly what they are fighting for and how it will benefit the students when granted?

During my days as a student, up till now, ASUU have always gone on strike and part of their demands have always been met, but I have never seen any significant improvement in the services they render to the students. The lecturers still trade sex for marks, they still sell books, handouts and collect inducements before a student passes their courses. And most importantly, they have not improved their teaching modules to enhance the education they offer.

So, how exactly is their protest in the interest of the students?

I want to know, and would be glad if anyone can help me out.

Cc. Mynd44, lalasticalala Dominique Seun.

So why can't the students fight for themselves? Docile youths engrossed in BB9JA show only

seunmsg:
Nobody is fighting for anybody in this country. Everyone is fighting for his or her interest. ASUU will always be a problem irrespective of who is president or which party is in office.

There are only two solutions to the ASUU problem:
1. FG should completely stop funding university education. Parents should be made to pay what is commensurate for the university education they want for their kids.

2. Government should scrap National ASUU completely. Each university should have an independent union to address local issues peculiar only to the university. Even if it’s going to take prolong strike and mass sacking to achieve this, it is worth the trouble.

There is no easy solution to the ASUU problem. FG need to make a tough, painful and firm decision on the union. Pandering to the union every time by signing crazy agreements that can’t be implemented has never worked and will never worked. It’s better to disrupt the system once and for all.

For point number 1, if FG should scrap funding completely for University education, believe me, the children of the poor will never be able to afford it
Conservatively, 500- 600k will be the starting point especially for first generation Universities.

For point number 2, the government does not have the power to scrap ASUU. It is only military regimes that can try it and even though they tried you it, no success was recorded.

tomiwakeem:
I want to believe that you are an ordinary Nigerian because rich kids do not sleep on public forum defending failures.
my question is how easy was it for your parents to pay school fees when things were better let alone now that the useless party you support have destroyed all that Nigerians can be proud of?
answer this and I have another for you

bro go to US and see, you will pay through your nose to school overseas definitely Nigeria will reach that position. Imagine paying less than 300k in your 6+ years to study medicine in Nigeria you come japa to US to earn bogus salary whereas those that actually studied medicine in US paid over 200k dollars to get the same salary. Nigeria is greatly robbed and government needs to change it module

They are fighting for their pockets. Nawa!

Get registered for the next titan reality show now. 20M up for grabs!!

khadaffi:
I'll drop my comment. Let me cough first


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This issue had been previously overflogged here on NL. I think around 2010 or 2011, before that NL crash .

ASUU is another political organisation. I pity for any silly student that joins ASUU in castigating the government. I graduated in 2007 and before I graduated, every strike ASUU engaged in they kept saying they were fighting for student. And my questions has always been how? See I know my position is not the popular one but if we all sit down and apply common sense you will see the sense in what I'm saying. Now ask yourself, how many of these top ASUU chairman kids attends schools in Nigeria. If we are saying our leaders destroyed the country ASUU are among the leaders destroying Nigeria and the earlier Nigerians realise this the better. A Professor is a Nigerian leader, A VC is a Nigerian leader, etc

Now here is the crux of the matter. There is no reason why any of these civil servants (Doctors, teachers, journalists, Police, Army) should go on strike, I repeat no reason. In Nigeria however we have seen doctors going on strike abandoning patients who might even be on life support to die simply because government did not pay them enough. How crazy does that sound. It is also the same madness that has continually occurred in the teaching profession. Now I'm not holding brief for government. Nigerian government has been useless over the years to say the least. There is no civil servant that will tell you today that he/she is satisfied with what the government has done in their agency and praise the government. But how many of them do you see engaging frequently on strike? I want to use the Nigerian Army in this regard as a case study. These guys has never gone on strike even when it was clear that government bought fake bullet proof and all manner of nonsense that have been meted out on them. These guys are still on the job. It is not easy. It's not easy for anyone in this country and the least we would expect from unions is to alleviate or reduce the problem of the common man. My own humble submission is for government to either scrap the Union(ASUU) or they could make it in a manner that joining ASUU should not be mandatory. Rather there should be two or three recognised union where every staff can choose to join any and choose who and when you will pay your dues. The dues should not be automatic deduction from your salary. The Union are thieves and if NANS was still a credible union it should have engaged them seriously.

I expect to be insulted for this opinion though

You deserve to be insulted and you should be. Just open mouth waaa like without common sense.

You expect lecturers in 2022 with families to keep earning 120k a month to teach 5 times a week, and a professor to earn 400k after more than 49 years in service.

You're a buffoon and I'm really been nice with the insult.

Asswipe.

Nazgul:
Are they fighting for their selfish interests or that of the students?

Personally, I don’t get seduced by the facade of fighting the government every time in the name of strike and people will willingly pull their strides behind ASUU. It doesn’t always move me. I want to ask the question; is ASUU really fighting for the well-being of the students, or are they using the fact that Nigeria is a failed government to clone as a facade to pursue their selfish interests, because they know that people will always fall behind them?

If ASUU is fighting for the welfare of the students, why won’t they also consider the welfare of the students and return to school? Why are they so comfortable that our students are at home since February, 2022 up till now? That is a period of 5 months and they are not even ready to move.

They don’t even care. As for me, I don’t support the Nigerian Labour Congress (NLC) joining ASUU in the strike. If ASUU is fighting for the welfare of the students, and they want us to believe that they have no ulterior motive, why haven’t they come out with their templates and convince Nigerians of their demands? Have they explained to the students exactly what they are fighting for and how it will benefit the students when granted?

During my days as a student, up till now, ASUU have always gone on strike and part of their demands have always been met, but I have never seen any significant improvement in the services they render to the students. The lecturers still trade sex for marks, they still sell books, handouts and collect inducements before a student passes their courses. And most importantly, they have not improved their teaching modules to enhance the education they offer.

So, how exactly is their protest in the interest of the students?

I want to know, and would be glad if anyone can help me out.

Cc. Mynd44, lalasticalala Dominique Seun.

God bless you. Until Niggerians start asking these kinds of questions and analysing things critically, there is no hope

Nazgul:
Are they fighting for their selfish interests or that of the students?

Personally, I don’t get seduced by the facade of fighting the government every time in the name of strike and people will willingly pull their strides behind ASUU. It doesn’t always move me. I want to ask the question; is ASUU really fighting for the well-being of the students, or are they using the fact that Nigeria is a failed government to clone as a facade to pursue their selfish interests, because they know that people will always fall behind them?

If ASUU is fighting for the welfare of the students, why won’t they also consider the welfare of the students and return to school? Why are they so comfortable that our students are at home since February, 2022 up till now? That is a period of 5 months and they are not even ready to move.

They don’t even care. As for me, I don’t support the Nigerian Labour Congress (NLC) joining ASUU in the strike. If ASUU is fighting for the welfare of the students, and they want us to believe that they have no ulterior motive, why haven’t they come out with their templates and convince Nigerians of their demands? Have they explained to the students exactly what they are fighting for and how it will benefit the students when granted?

During my days as a student, up till now, ASUU have always gone on strike and part of their demands have always been met, but I have never seen any significant improvement in the services they render to the students. The lecturers still trade sex for marks, they still sell books, handouts and collect inducements before a student passes their courses. And most importantly, they have not improved their teaching modules to enhance the education they offer.

So, how exactly is their protest in the interest of the students?

I want to know, and would be glad if anyone can help me out.

Cc. Mynd44, lalasticalala Dominique Seun.

Thank you for this. This is also what I share to people but just that many are gullible in the country. Instead NLC should demand to be part of the negotiating committee and request for ASUU demand and that of FG then call on other labour sector and see what is realistic to agree with. They engage in foolish protest misplace priority set of people

ASUU is not a student union or NANS but an association for lecturers, so why is OP making claim about ASUU selfish interest.

We can't continue to create and accept excuses from FG. Please what are we (the citizen) benefiting under the FG as at today... I don't know of any Govt institution that is of common benefits to the citizen... Water, Road, Transport, Health, Welfarism, Electricity...

Is the water corporation working?
Are the roads okay?
Public Health care are not accessible, with high fee and embittered staff like LASUTH?
Transport has been neglected to private hands?.
Welfare, under the same govt that hoard foods from its citizens during COVID-19?
Electricity has been privatise, with continual collapse of National Grid?

Ask your self in what ways are you benefiting from Govt.

Government should be WISE enough to do the right thing by calling ASUU to another roundtable where the reports of the Brigg's committee would be looked into once more. If government feels the monetary offers made were too much, they can bargain and come to a middle ground with the lecturers.

Thereafter, they sign the new agreement while the current government implements the much it can before handing over, so the next administration would take over from there. Let both sides not allow personal ego to come into the impasse, after all, the money involved is public fund.

From the turn out during the NLC protest, a reasonable government would have reasoned that the greater majority of Nigerians who make up the major beneficiaries of public university education are in support of ASUU, so why still foot dragging? Are they waiting until NLC declares the 3-days national strike before doing the needful? In a democracy, a wise government would give the majority of the people what they want without waiting for any uprisings.

For those of you typing rubbish on why the strike should be allowed to continue, it is very typical of you Nigerians not to feel the pain of fellow Nigerians when you think you are not directly affected. From Covid19 lockdown to this strike, people's children and wards have spent close to 2years out of school and you're not bothered about the psychological and economic consequences of that on these youngsters? How wicked can y'all be

Nigeria is indeed governed by the dark forces! No wonder the high level of selfishness and wickedness pervading the country. It's unfortunate

Nazgul:
Haven't you noticed that students are closer to their secondary school teachers than their university lectures upon graduation.

My secondary school old students association has a Facebook page of which I'm a member of, at the end of the year we usually hangout at designated locations, celebrate life and raise contributions for some of our teachers who are in need.

No one does that for university lectures because most of them are sadist, wicked, vengeful...etc. Also, most Nigerian lectures lack the ability to impact knowledge on their students. They teach with anger frustration, some are so lazy to keep up lecturing appointments with students that they just hand over course material to the course rep to photocopy for the students.

If you claim to be a parent, you must see every child you mentor in class as your child, and do everything within you ability to ensure that they get the best from you. That's what every good parents does. Unfortunately our lectures do the exact opposite.

Yeah, lecturers should keep getting paid peanuts and not ask for more money, as long as everyone goes to school and graduates. Wonder why you never see lecturers buy the best things or use the best products?

Wonder why this thread made it to front page. It reeks of very shoddy research and bias everywhere.


Nonsense.

I don’t know if some people don’t think before typing, the problem we are having in this country are “ghost workers”

Nazgul:
1. As a nation we have to get our priorities right if we really want to develop technologically. A quick check on the budgetary allocation for education sector over the years clearly reveals that the figures allocated to education is so paltry that one can hardly achieve anything with it. It is against this backdrop that I am recommending that henceforth, the education sector should be allocated a reasonable share of our annual budget.

2. Education is capital intensive, therefore the Federal Government cannot do it alone. I would therefore recommend that Alumni Associations support and offer endowments as it is done in other climes. And also in the areas of infrastructural development through the provision of adequate potable water, regular power supply, world-class lecture theatres, hostels, functional laboratories...etc.

3. It is imperative that salaries and welfare packages of university lecturers should be reviewed from time to time. In Peter Obi's interview with channels TV yesterday, he said something that touched me. He said the salary and allowance of a local government chairman is higher than a university professor. It's very sad, and you would agree with me that a situation whereby lecturers are on the same salary for over 13 years without increment does not augur well.

Finally I just have to agree with you that public universities in Nigeria if they must thrive, must be autonomous. But only when numbers 1-3 have been met and visible growth has been recorded in the institution. Anything outside that would spell doom for parents and students.

So you sabi all this and typed the first nonsensical bant from up there? Wonderful.

M

Wetin I no like about this strike na be say since I dey house I no get money

MagnoIia:
you're such a daft fellow

You're dumber than him by far if you cannot see the sense in what he is saying.

Asswipe.

BabaO2:
ASUU are so irresponsible greedy set of people, a competent president would have flushed them out and employ new set of lecturers from private sectors as part-time lecturers, foreigners both from African countries and western word countries.

Lmfao your childish brain cannot even do the simple math of how much you want to pay foreign lecturers and even part timers.

Is it the 120-400k you want to pay a foreigner to come and teach in a country riddled with bad governance and insecurity?

Mehn, did you even go to school?

muykem:
Private schools are paying lecturers less with better output compared with public universities. ASUU is SCAM and greedy, they are known for strike from one government to another.

Assistant lecturers earn between 250-320k in private schools. The equivalent in public schools earn between 125-140k.

Which is more? DYOR before you come online to disgrace who gave birth to you.

muykem:
Forget it, ASUU members are too selfish and greedy.

Thanks for the respectful disagreement, we don't get to get lots of those on NL these days but if you know any ASUU member, ask about their greviances, you'd understand in detail what they are fighting for.

Shuning an association to cover the inefficiencies of government isn't justice, not when profs are earning less than SBOs in banks.

Sadly, I once shared with a friend who is a Dean of Student Affairs in one of the federal universities, that the constant strikes by ASUU do not help the students and our tertiary education.

Whilst it is within the rights of the lecturers to demand for more funding, they have not displayed enough accountability and probity in the way that they handle internally generated revenues.

Again, if FG must continue to subsidize tertiary education then there may be a need for students to sign bonds that will compel them to work in Nigeria for a certain number of years before migrating to other countries. It makes no sense when people get subsidized education and then bail out. It is like haemorrhaging.

Nazgul:
My dear it's the institutions responsibility to sort out the salaries of sweepers and cleaners and not the federal government.

Cleaners are employed by faculties and it's the Dean's responsibility to raise money to run his faculty. That's why you pay faculty dues. Some faculties offer pre-science, diploma and part-time programs for prospective students. Monies realised from such programs are not remitted to the federal government account but are shared between the school and the faculty. In case you're not aware any program outside the regular undergraduate degree program, PGD, Msc and PhD has nothing to do with the government and are not recognized by the government that's why students who partake in them aren't eligible for NYSC.

So the question remains, what do they use monies realised from such programs for?

If the government is subsidizing education by allocating billions to the ministry of education, universities shouldn't frustrate the process by looting funds realized through other channels. Such funds should be used in payment of domestic staffs such as cleaners...etc, hired by the faculty.

Do you know that during my time as an undergraduate, our faculty was always in darkness...to see light to charge your phone and rechargable lamp in the classroom was easier than walking on water. Would you blame that on the government also? Where's all the money they're generating going if they can't use it to effectively manage the plants and transformers in the faculty?

You really educated that fellow on those ignorant points he made...

Auskyd:
Lmfao your childish brain cannot even do the simple math of how much you want to pay foreign lecturers and even part timers.

Is it the 120-400k you want to pay a foreigner to come and teach in a country riddled with bad governance and insecurity?

Mehn, did you even go to school?

Ode
No university lecturer ever earning such paltry sum of 120k as salary, they didn't kill anybody's child, if you know nothing about their salaries you keep it shut. Secondary school teachers are earning well over 400k, dont confuse masses with your limited understanding.

Hmmm

Nazgul:
Are they fighting for their selfish interests or that of the students?

Personally, I don’t get seduced by the facade of fighting the government every time in the name of strike and people will willingly pull their strides behind ASUU. It doesn’t always move me. I want to ask the question; is ASUU really fighting for the well-being of the students, or are they using the fact that Nigeria is a failed government to clone as a facade to pursue their selfish interests, because they know that people will always fall behind them?

If ASUU is fighting for the welfare of the students, why won’t they also consider the welfare of the students and return to school? Why are they so comfortable that our students are at home since February, 2022 up till now? That is a period of 5 months and they are not even ready to move.

They don’t even care. As for me, I don’t support the Nigerian Labour Congress (NLC) joining ASUU in the strike. If ASUU is fighting for the welfare of the students, and they want us to believe that they have no ulterior motive, why haven’t they come out with their templates and convince Nigerians of their demands? Have they explained to the students exactly what they are fighting for and how it will benefit the students when granted?

During my days as a student, up till now, ASUU have always gone on strike and part of their demands have always been met, but I have never seen any significant improvement in the services they render to the students. The lecturers still trade sex for marks, they still sell books, handouts and collect inducements before a student passes their courses. And most importantly, they have not improved their teaching modules to enhance the education they offer.

So, how exactly is their protest in the interest of the students?

I want to know, and would be glad if anyone can help me out.

Cc. Mynd44, lalasticalala Dominique Seun.

We need to be honest with ourselves, their happiness is ours. Simple as that. If we know what collateral damage means! We understand why students need to support this fight.

Paulheyman:
If you can't afford a private university, ASUU is fighting for you.

If you're a hater of covenant, Madonna, landmark, KDUM, Tansian and other high fee universities then ASUU is fighting for you.

If you still want your children to benefit from good academics then ASUU is fighting for you.

If you still want your certificate to be valid and used to process your documents to Japa out of this country then ASUU is fighting for you (Remember Abia state polytechnic).

If you want to see Nigeria progress then ASUU is fighting for you.

The university is the last of our public school system left to be conquered by the political elites. They came for the primary schools we applauded them, after all primary education doesn't matter, private primary schools can do the job, then they came for the secondary education, we still left them to destroy it, the effect is examination malpractice. Lastly, they are targeting the peak of our education and people are blaming the defenders and not the offenders. If the government destroys our public universities then education will only be limited to the elites and those who intend to leave naija using their certificates will be stock cos your certificate won't be acceptable in any country.

Confucius said "when workers are paid well they're motivated to work well"

How much do you pay primary school teachers, how much do you pay secondary school teachers. You pay a teacher #10k in private school and you expect him to do wonders.

Those backing the government don't know that they are promoting illiteracy and backwardness. Most countries don't value our certificates. I wonder want becomes of you after studying medicine, nursings, engineering, physics, chemistry etc and you are told that your certificate is not recognize abroad then you'll understand what you've opted to defend. What of those doing PhD and MSc just to finish and be informed that you can't go beyond Nigeria with your PG certificate. God forbid

If ASUU perish we all perish

Stay blessed

say that to the gods! Even if all ASUU demands are met...nothing will change in the universities...u want to know why!? Even university corruption is top notch! ASUU only care about its few corupt members...To them, students should go to hell !! To me! NMA should be theones on strike right nw! Go look at the service delivery at our dilapidated hospitals...u go weep!

Only in Nigeria do you see students VERY content with Preserving shoddy education, all in the name of graduation at all costs. It doesn’t matter if your university doesn’t have good infrastructure or decent halls. It doesn’t matter if your labs are terrible. It doesn’t matter if your school has to make do with Terrible lecturers because welfare sucks.

Instead of calling the FG to order, you’re busy attacking lecturers. No wonder politicians see people like the OP as their ‘boys’ to play with.

BabaO2:
Ode
No university lecturer ever earning such paltry sum of 120k as salary, they didn't kill anybody's child, if you know nothing about their salaries you keep it shut. Secondary school teachers are earning well over 400k, dont confuse masses with your limited understanding.

When I say people should do research before they talk, you're a good example of it.

How many secondary teachers are even earning 100l after tax? You will just open your dirty mouth and say what you don't know. Stupid keyboard warriors who have never had to defend anything in their lives will come online and yarn bants.

There you go. That's what an assistant lecturer earns below.

The difference between that and a senior lecturers is not even up to 100k. Don't be a fool. Salaries isn't hidden. Go online and check for yourself. Asswipe.

E say teachers dey earn 400k lmao. Buffoon

adanny01:
You have not said 1 thing I will agree with you.

Tell me one agency of government that is working the way we expect? Does ASUU expect that govt will prioritize them over the entire responsibilities of the govt?

ASUU are teachers as well as those who teach in primary and secondary schools. The demands by ASUU in comparison to all other civil servants that depend on government is simply outrageous. If every civil service union behaves like ASUU, govt will never be able to solve the issues with the current state of the economy.

Besides, in saner climes, government does not foot every bill of tertiary institutions. ASUU shouldn't have the moral audacity to hold the tertiary system to ransom if they know that it's not a right for them to be treated above the reasonable means of the govt. Govt is simply doing it for the sake of the very students ASUU has no regard for. Govt funding of the tertiary institutions is a responsibility it has to provide education for citizens of Nigeria. ASUU successfully kidnapped that responsibility for ransom. It's a bad thing. No excuses.

In saner climes like you mentioned, they pay lecturers very well lmao. Not the peanuts they are paid here. You must be foolish to think the govt cares about students the way ASUU does. The little improvements you see in universities was fought for by ASUU. Left to govt, build the school and let it rot will be the order of the day.

If they ask students to pay school fees of 200k to foot the bill of the schools, students will riot. So where will schools see money to run themselves when govt doesn't intervene?

Make una dey type with sense abeg

Everybody just de de selfish.

texazzpete:
Only in Nigeria do you see students VERY content with Preserving shoddy education, all in the name of graduation at all costs. It doesn’t matter if your university doesn’t have good infrastructure or decent halls. It doesn’t matter if your labs are terrible. It doesn’t matter if your school has to make do with Terrible lecturers because welfare sucks.

Instead of calling the FG to order, you’re busy attacking lecturers. No wonder politicians see people like the OP as their ‘boys’ to play with.

.for them, let ASUU just resume so they can graduate, and go and work start earning a living.
When you offer them 100k jobs, they will turn thier noses and say it's not enough, but the one lecturers are collecting is very ok as long as they don't strike.

Animals everywhere

teepain:
Sadly, I once shared with a friend who is a Dean of Student Affairs in one of the federal universities, that the constant strikes by ASUU do not help the students and our tertiary education.

Whilst it is within the rights of the lecturers to demand for more funding, they have not displayed enough accountability and probity in the way that they handle internally generated revenues.

Again, if FG must continue to subsidize tertiary education then there may be a need for students to sign bonds that will compel them to work in Nigeria for a certain number of years before migrating to other countries. It makes no sense when people get subsidized education and then bail out. It is like haemorrhaging.

Your statement is giving enormous lies, but continue lol. Which dean of students affairs you sabi? Which dean that is in charge of the running of the school with the knowledge of how tedious it is in terms of finance will tell you strike doesn't work?

Just dey lie because you dey behind keyboard. Lol

Calm down sir Liesalot.