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21siyanbola:
Has there ever been a southerner as SULTAN?

Is the Sultanate in the South?

Agboriotejoye:
By this, you are saying Oodua is a Southern Nigerian Funny thing though is that Oodua was never a Nigerian not to mention being a northerner or southerner. It is good you mentioned Yorubas in Benin Rep. Does your submission imply that Yorubas in Benin Rep are also Southern Nigerians? What about Fulanis? Are they Senegalese, Nigeriens or Northern Nigerians?
The term North and South Nigerian is a delineation along British protectorates that have nothing to do with ancestral origin or cultural roots. So it is disingenuous to seem to denigrate it when it does not suit your narrative.
Let me ask. If Saraki were to emerge Presidential candidate of a political party, will he be representing the S(W) or N(C)? Let me even make it real. When Saraki was Senate President with Osinbajo as VP, was it seen as two Yorubas holding 2 and 3 positions in Nigeria? Did Yorubas say one of us is the Senate President?

@bolded are your own words, I never said Oodua was from Southern Nigeria. Your claim is akin to saying that Abraham was an Israeli when actually he was the Father of Jacob and Jacob=Israel I.e Father of Israel.
According to Nigerian geopolitical division (which is subject to changes), Saraki is a middle Beltan/northerner and would seize from being a northerner if the govt decides to, let’s say, rearrange the States or the country eventually splits but he is naturally and culturally not a northerner and this is not subject to any changes. Kwara state (Ilorin specifically) is best described as a confluence point between the Yorubas and fulanis but the later owns Ilorin through conquest. Kwara can be called a no man’s land but the Yorubas got there before the arrival of the Fulani traitors.
Now to Benin and Togo Yorubas, ask them to ask their fathers where they call home, they will surely trace it down to Southwestern Nigeria, sir. Every Yoruba you see will tell you that he is a descendant of the great Oduduwa, the patriarch of the Yorubas and that fact will never change forever and ever. Even Saraki will tell you just the same thing. The difference btw the Yorubas and Fulanis is that you can’t say that the Fulanis are originally from Nigeria, no, they’re not and their root is hard to reach. Only the Hausas are indigenous to northern Nigeria even though they all also widely spread across the African continent, their home is the northern Nigeria. So sir/ma, Olorunfemi can and will never be a northerner in this life and beyond sir. At Tinubu should have chosen his vice from among a Christian. All these arguments is even needless as you’re stylishly drifting us away from the topic for which this thread was created. They could have chosen a Kanuri, Kuje, Fulani, Hausa, Nupe or Igala Christian clergy to head the association. So much for people fighting for political inclusion
and here we have ppl like you trying so hard to justify the rubbish claim that a Yoruba man from KABBA was the only qualified Christian living in the north from the year 1988 to this day.

How many of the past and present CAN Presidents came from South East been the most popular Christian zone in Nigeria? The answer is no one, but they are not complaining because they sees every Christian as a brother or a sister, those complaining about where the CAN President came from were not really Christians because Christians sees themselves as one family of God no matter where you are coming from

21siyanbola:
Has there ever been a southerner as SULTAN?

Sultan of where?

Amongst the list of chairmen I did not find any Igbo man. Is like CAN is favouring Tinubu brothers.

Spandau:
Kogi State is in the MB according to the political mischiefs of the Fulanis and everybody accepted it. Nobody complained. So why is Kogi suddenly a a Yoruba State because of CAN presidency. CAN is an association, not Nigeria. There is no rotation of power here. Even the Igbos are not complaining. This divide and rule thing has really eaten deep into the brains of Northerners. And these hypocrites are killing the Christians in their midst off o.

If it's the turn of north to produce the President, and a Yoruba from Kogi is presented to represent the north, will he be accepted as a Northern candidate?

BeardGangJnr1:
So majority carries the vote nah...same thing in politics...why are u all being hypocritical about the facts that CAN is marginalizing the North ...u lots are now twisting the facts to suit yo narratives.... educated pillocks

You're not being sincere. There's nothing like majority carries the vote.
If a northerner becomes the leader of Anglican Communion tomorrow and it is the turn of Anglican to present CAN president, nobody will marginalize him.
So quit the unnecessary criticism.
Northern Christians are not complaining or protesting.
Don't cry more than the bereaved.
Your motive is just to find a fault where there's none, so as to legitimize your insensitive Muslim-Muslim ticket.

A milion likes for this reply. Fact checker pls go and rest. The useless divide and rule fact check did not and will not work.

Gospel2Day:
You're not being sincere. There's nothing like majority carries the vote.
If a northerner becomes the leader of Anglican Communion tomorrow and it is the turn of Anglican to present CAN president, nobody will marginalize him.
So quit the unnecessary criticism.
Northern Christians are not complaining or protesting.
Don't cry more than the bereaved.
Your motive is just to find a fault where there's none, so as to legitimize your insensitive Muslim-Muslim ticket.

Has a southerner ever been appointed as the supreme leader of the Islam faith?

Gowon is a Christian .

Even Obj is a Christian , he attended Barewa College , Zaria and speaks Hausa fluently.

You can't rule Nigeria without having presence in the North,

This Tinubu fact check is very active but they are wasting their time. We fact-check stories ourselves. No rigging!

Morphinne:
@bolded are your own words, I never said Oodua was from Southern Nigeria. Your claim is akin to saying that Abraham was an Israeli when actually he was the Father of Jacob and Jacob=Israel I.e Father of Israel.
According to Nigerian geopolitical division (which is subject to changes), Saraki is a middle Beltan/northerner and would seize from being a northerner if the govt decides to, let’s say, rearrange the States or the country eventually splits but he is naturally and culturally not a northerner and this is not subject to any changes. Kwara state (Ilorin specifically) is best described as a confluence point between the Yorubas and fulanis but the later owns Ilorin through conquest. Kwara can be called a no man’s land but the Yorubas got there before the arrival of the Fulani traitors.
Now to Benin and Togo Yorubas, ask them to ask their fathers where they call home, they will surely trace it down to Southwestern Nigeria, sir. Every Yoruba you see will tell you that he is a descendant of the great Oduduwa, the patriarch of the Yorubas and that fact will never change forever and ever. Even Saraki will tell you just the same thing. The difference btw the Yorubas and Fulanis is that you can’t say that the Fulanis are originally from Nigeria, no, they’re not and their root is hard to reach. Only the Hausas are indigenous to northern Nigeria even though they all also widely spread across the African continent, their home is the northern Nigeria. So sir/ma, Olorunfemi can and will never be a northerner in this life and beyond sir. At Tinubu should have chosen his vice from among a Christian. All these arguments is even needless as you’re stylishly drifting us away from the topic for which this thread was created. They could have chosen a Kanuri, Kuje, Fulani, Hausa, Nupe or Igala Christian clergy to head the association. So much for people fighting for political inclusion
and here we have ppl like you trying so hard to justify the rubbish claim that a Yoruba man from KABBA was the only qualified Christian living in the north from the year 1988 to this day.

The question is who is a notherner? Is it the Hausa which you also agreed are spread all over West Africa, or the Fulani? Like I already told you, the concept of North and South is a British creation and was done without regard to tribe or culture. It was a commercial/administrative delineation that had nothing to do with culture of the people.

It is interesting you claim Yoruba are from Ife. Do you know Oduduwa is known to have a father? Lamurudu was reputed to have come from the Arabian desert close to Mecca. So which is the "natural" home of the Yoruba?

I stretch it too far. To an Ife man, can an ijebu lay claim to Ife as his hometown and thus vie for governorship of Osun state or Osun West senatorial seat? It is also factually false to say only Hausa are indigenous to northern Nigeria. Northern Nigeria is even more tribally diverse than the South.

And by the way, go and check the Nigerian map and divide it into two equal parts. You will realise that even Nupe and Igala will fall on the southern hemisphere. The British who delineated Nigeria did not use any such parameters as you adopt to carry out their arbitrary act.

But that's by the way. I am very sure you're not familiar with northern Christians neither do you know their mindset. You only project your idiosyncrasies on them to decide for them whether Onaiyekan was indeed seen as one of them or not. If you have met them, you will quickly realise that the people referred to as northern Christians are not culturally contiguous. A Plateau Christian from Birom or Tok tribe is totally different from a Tiv Christian or idoma Christian culturally. Ditto for a Nupe Christian and a Numan Christian. However, they all easily identify as northern Christians cause they face the same challenges of subjugation and persecution by northern Muslims.

It is also obvious you have very little knowledge of how CAN chairman presidency emerges. You only assumed it is dependent on tribal affiliation. Not so sir. If you check the list of past presidents till date, the majority fall into the Yoruba tribe while the Igbo are the largest single ethnic group made up of Christians. So if we're to go by your belief, CAN presidency should be almost a reserve of Igbo. But it is not so. This is because the post as well as its vice presidency are rotational among the five blocs that make up the association, and it is usually the spiritual head of that bloc that assumes leadership. For you to know, if the Catholic tenure which Onaiyekan took had been shifted forward by a couple of years, Bishop Ignatius Kaigama from Taraba would have emerged as CAN chair. I don't know if that would have satisfied your ethnic sentiment though since he is not Hausa neither does he bear an Arabic name. What is obvious though is that there is nothing that stops a core nothern Christian from becoming CAN president except for the luck of rotation.

As a matter of fact, the present president was born in and has lived all his pastoral life in Kano. But I don't expect you to accept him as a notherner since his name sounds Eastern.

Agboriotejoye:
Is it about tribe or region? It is a case of southern vs Northern region. The other way round. If a Yoruba from Kogi is picked as Atiku or Buhari or Kwankwaso's running mate, would Yorubas in the South see him as representing them?

I hope the bullshit u are trying to defend will happen someday

Even if Yoruba don't complain,Igbo and others will.

Speaking of Igbo,I heard CAN haven't make them president before,the fact that they possess the highest number of Christianity.

Agboriotejoye:
You still have not told us when a very serious Yoruba Muslim like your humble self will become NSCIA President. Even if it is a Yoruba from Kwara or Kogi we don't mind. Let's start from there

hehehehe the current leader there hasn't died,and why should he be replaced?

The secretary general is Yoruba and also the Deputy President General South of the council is Yoruba.

What else do u want?


Abi na yoruba be only Muslim in Nigeria?

compton11:
I hope the bullshit u are trying to defend will happen someday

Even if Yoruba don't complain,Igbo and others will.

Wetin concern Igbo with Yoruba matter? The question is, will you accept the person as representing Yoruba

Speaking of Igbo,I heard CAN haven't make them president before,the fact that they possess the highest number of Christianity

And what does that now imply? Does it not show that no one is lording over the other in CAN? Unlike Islam that only one family can be the head. The family if Dan Fodio. Rest of you are slaves to Dan Fodio's family.

hehehehe the current leader there hasn't died,and why should he be replaced?

The secretary general is Yoruba and also the Deputy President General South of the council is Yoruba.

What else do u want?


Abi na yoruba be only Muslim in Nigeria?

How can you enjoy playing second fiddle so much? Are you forbidden from becoming leaders? Even UN has had an African Secretary General.
Did the past leaders of CAN die before they are replaced? The same CAN you're running your mouth against understands that one man should not lord it over others. While you're waiting for someone to die. What if he dies? Will a Yoruba take over as Muslim leader in Nigeria?

21siyanbola:
Has there ever been a southerner as SULTAN?

You a sugomu- a fool. SULTAN is the title of the head of Sokoto Emirate

DeleTaller:
CAN is not even Godly formation ...Just an association of some churches who only wish to be a member.. They have turned it to be a political forum and that is why thousands of other churches chose not to be part of them. CAN CAN DO ANYTHING FOR MONEY SO CAN'T TRUST CAN.

What was it you wanted to do that you gave CAN and they did for you?

E be like say dem don carry money give this nairaland owner ba? keep inciting negativity to the Obidient camp.. Bullshit

thedio:
Sultan from Osun? R u sure u did not escape from lambo hall.
Can u get olu of warri from cross river

Is sultan not the leader of Muslims in Nigeria ?

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Seefinish:
is Kogi state in the south west?
Ok. Also publish the names of chairman of National Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs from inception till date and see whether any Yoruba Muslim has ever been the President General
In the year 2000, a Yoruba Muslim was stabbed to death by Hausa Muslim for leading a prayer in a mosque in Jos. He was tagged unclean and unfit. Go to Jos today, Yoruba has their own mosque. Yoruba can never be the President General of National Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs. They should first become the President General of National Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs before they talk about CAN national president

Liar

Fact check kill una. Has MURIC ever produced a southern Muslim?

Philipponzaghi:
Lol the person that did this fact-checking don kolomental.

So Archbishop John Olorunfemi Onaiyekan, a Yoruba man is now the candidate of the Northern minorities Christians?

If Tinubu pick a Yoruba Christian from the Northern geopolitical zone, will the other Northern Christian tribes in Jos, Benue, Taraba, Southern Kaduna, and other places accept him as one of their own?

CAN marginalizing middle-belt Christians and those in the core North. CAN should be ashamed of themselves.

You are a fool.
Is like claiming that the North Central has never produced a Senate President because Saraki has Bukola in his name.

Agboriotejoye:
Wetin concern Igbo with Yoruba matter? The question is, will you accept the person as representing Yoruba

question is,will fellow southern Nigerians like igbo accept it?

Agboriotejoye:
And what does that now imply? Does it not show that no one is lording over the other in CAN? Unlike Islam that only one family can be the head. The family if Dan Fodio. Rest of you are slaves to Dan Fodio's family.

that is sokoto monarch u are talking about , what it has to do with Islam?

Agboriotejoye:
How can you enjoy playing second fiddle so much? Are you forbidden from becoming leaders? Even UN has had an African Secretary General.

hehhehee the headquarter of NSCIA is in Abuja and Yoruba head it while sultan is in sokoto,how is that a second fiddle?

Plus sultan can't make a decision without consulting all the Muslim ethnicities in the council


And u are crying as if only Yoruba are only Muslims in Nigeria

Agboriotejoye:
Did the past leaders of CAN die before they are replaced? The same CAN you're running your mouth against understands that one man should not lord it over others.

then how come pope in vactican never leave the post until they resign or die?

Agboriotejoye:
While you're waiting for someone to die. What if he dies? Will a Yoruba take over as Muslim leader in Nigeria?

why are u crying as if Yoruba are the only Muslims for the post?

Out of over 200 ethnicities that are Muslim,na only Yoruba u keep mentioning.

compton11:
question is,will fellow southern Nigerians like igbo accept it?

The question is not valid because the person is yoruba by tribe and we're discussing Yoruba identity. If you wish to go that route, be aware that Jonathan was well received by the Igbo as one of them as president while being an ijaw. So they can even lay claim to being open-minded in that aspect. The direct question is for a yoruba in Kogi to become VP. Does he get the support of SW Yorubas?

that is sokoto monarch u are talking about , what it has to do with Islam?

The Sokoto monarch is the leader of Muslims in Nigeria. True or false?

hehhehee the headquarter of NSCIA is in Abuja and Yoruba head it while sultan is in sokoto,how is that a second fiddle?
Plus sultan can't make a decision without consulting all the Muslim ethnicities in the council

Taqqiya!! The Yoruba there is just a secretary. The head of NSCIA is the sultan in Sokoto. They just put the Yoruba there in Abuja to be running around while the sultan is sending him on errands. Sultan declares the start of Ramadan and the end from Sokoto not Abuja. They'll just tell the yoruba secretary to type the letter like a good boy

And u are crying as if only Yoruba are only Muslims in Nigeria

I'm just pissed off that my Yoruba Muslim brothers are made to kiss a fulani ass all the time as if they brought Islam to Yorubaland. Islam got to Yorubaland as early as 16th century yet Dan Fodio who came to hausaland in 1804 is being made to rule over you as if he taught you Islam. It's an injustice and religious slavery to southern Muslims in general and yoruba Muslims who have been more scholarly and progressive in Islam than those docile abokis. I pray a day comes my Yoruba Muslim brothers will wake up from their slumber and emancipate themselves from those who look down on them and their practice of the religion.

then how come pope in vactican never leave the post until they resign or die?
why are u crying as if Yoruba are the only Muslims for the post?
Out of over 200 ethnicities that are Muslim,na only Yoruba u keep mentioning.

But pope is not restricted to a single family. And we're talking about Nigeria religion.
My Yoruba Muslim brothers deserve better than being religious slaves to dirty Fulani

Let us get the real fact and build peace with everything we say or write.
CAN is an organization and they have their own way of doing things which I called zoning.

The organization is made up of five blocs and they are:

1. Christian Council of Nigeria (CCN)
2. Catholic Secretariat of Nigeria (CSN)
3. Christian Pentecostal Fellowsthip of Nigeria (CPFN) and Pentecostal Fellowship of Nigeria (PFN)
4. Organization of African Instituted Churches (OAIC)
5. TEKAN and ECWA Fellowship


The president comes from the next bloc so it is left for the bloc to pick any one and nominate for election. Presidency in CAN is not be tribe of State.
Pls let us promote peace and unity in all we do.

Have any Yoruba man headed the core Muslim organisation in Nigeria
Not to talk more of south south or south east person

Agboriotejoye:
The question is not valid because the person is yoruba by tribe and we're discussing Yoruba identity. If you wish to go that route, be aware that Jonathan was well received by the Igbo as one of them as president while being an ijaw. So they can even lay claim to being open-minded in that aspect. The direct question is for a yoruba in Kogi to become VP. Does he get the support of SW Yorubas?

u haven't answer me,if atiku chose people like melaye as VP,will Igbo and other southern Nigerians ethnicities accept? Even if Yoruba accept.

Agboriotejoye:
The Sokoto monarch is the leader of Muslims in Nigeria. True or false?

the leader of NSCIA,one group out of many Islamic group in Nigeria.

Agboriotejoye:
Taqqiya!! The Yoruba there is just a secretary. The head of NSCIA is the sultan in Sokoto. They just put the Yoruba there in Abuja to be running around while the sultan is sending him on errands. Sultan declares the start of Ramadan and the end from Sokoto not Abuja. They'll just tell the yoruba secretary to type the letter like a good boy

mumu he announced it not declear,u don't declear time of Ramadan

Agboriotejoye:
I'm just pissed off that my Yoruba Muslim brothers are made to kiss a fulani ass all the time as if they brought Islam to Yorubaland. Islam got to Yorubaland as early as 16th century yet Dan Fodio who came to hausaland in 1804 is being made to rule over you as if he taught you Islam.

oponu Islam reached kanuri land long long before that and they are even have majority of Muslims than Yoruba,what can't u cry for them too?

Agboriotejoye:
It's an injustice and religious slavery to southern Muslims in general and yoruba Muslims who have been more scholarly and progressive in Islam than those docile abokis. I pray a day comes my Yoruba Muslim brothers will wake up from their slumber and emancipate themselves from those who look down on them and their practice of the religion.

just like how northern minority Christians will liberate themselves from marginalization of CAN


Oh and also just as how black Catholics will liberate themselves and become vactican Pope.

Agboriotejoye:
But pope is not restricted to a single family.

but restricted to single race


And they rule till death or resign and your CAN know that.

Agboriotejoye:
And we're talking about Nigeria religion.
My Yoruba Muslim brothers deserve better than being religious slaves to dirty Fulani

and what about the kanuri Muslims, hausa Muslims,igbo Muslims and so on?


Why only Yoruba?

U guys should stop this nonsense analysis! How many southern Muslim HV we elected as Nigerian president or even a Governor! Stop this hypocrazy!!! Stop mixing religion with politics!

Salym:
You said even in Aba Yorubas have their mosques yet you contradicted yourself by saying the North does not allow them in central mosque. For your information, Yorubas have their separate mosques due to differences in some religious practices and activities with the North. Northerners pray in Yoruba mosques in every town in the North.

We are saying the same. Due to the differences in religious practices, Northerners see Yorubas as fake Moslems.

compton11:
u haven't answer me,if atiku chose people like melaye as VP,will Igbo and other southern Nigerians ethnicities accept? Even if Yoruba accept.

It's a meaningless question. Tinubu is representing the South on APC presidential ticket. We all know that if it were left to Igbo and other southern tribes, they won't touch with a long pole. Thus, as he himself said, he is representing Yoruba. So you see how meaningless your question is? There's no south politically as you have North.

the leader of NSCIA,one group out of many Islamic group in Nigeria

;DWhat is the meaning of NSCIA and how come it is the organisation that is recognised as the umbrella body for Muslims in Nigeria

mumu he announced it not declear,u don't declear time of Ramadan

What is this half-monkey saying? Something they announce on nta and most other media is what this useless taqqiya goat wants to argue about. Oya when will a Yoruba Muslim leader "announce" start and end of Ramadan?
When will a Yoruba Muslim leader tell you to watch out for the moon

oponu Islam reached kanuri land long long before that and they are even have majority of Muslims than Yoruba,what can't u cry for them too?

Yorubas are my brothers. I want them to be free. Kajuru, Hausa, Fulani see themselves as one while they see yoruba Muslims as Arne
Ask Tinubu

just like how northern minority Christians will liberate themselves from marginalization of CAN

Onaiyekan is a northern minority and he emerged head of CAN. Kaigama also and he emerged head of Catholics. In fact, Catholics had two presidents in succession from the North. When will my Yoruba Muslim brothers head NSCIA and stop taking the post of letter writers

Oh and also just as how black Catholics will liberate themselves and become vactican Pope.

but restricted to single race

Taqqiya from a dummy. A Syrian who is from the Arab and Persian race has emerged Pope. Same with an Egyptian. So it's obvious others can anytime. Cardinal Arinze and a Ghanaian cardinal were among contenders last time. When will a Yoruba Muslim be a contender for NSCIA head?

and what about the kanuri Muslims, hausa Muslims,igbo Muslims and so on?
Why only Yoruba?

Kanuri and Hausa Muslims were conquered through Dan Fodio's jihad. Do you mean my Yoruba Muslim brothers were also conquered?
Is that why Ilorin had an emir from Sokoto?

Is CAN office a political office?

Agboriotejoye:
It's a meaningless question. Tinubu is representing the South on APC presidential ticket. We all know that if it were left to Igbo and other southern tribes, they won't touch with a long pole. Thus, as he himself said, he is representing Yoruba. So you see how meaningless your question is? There's no south politically as you have North.

u be dumbass then for not answering the question.

Agboriotejoye:
;DWhat is the meaning of NSCIA and how come it is the organisation that is recognised as the umbrella body for Muslims in Nigeria

there are many recognized Muslim group in Nigeria.

Agboriotejoye:
What is this half-monkey saying? Something they announce on nta and most other media is what this useless taqqiya goat wants to argue about. Oya when will a Yoruba Muslim leader "announce" start and end of Ramadan?
When will a Yoruba Muslim leader tell you to watch out for the moon

why so dumb like this?

Announcement is what anybody can do as far as they see evidence that it is time for Ramadan,stop crying on what isn't big deal.

Agboriotejoye:
Yorubas are my brothers. I want them to be free. Kajuru, Hausa, Fulani see themselves as one while they see yoruba Muslims as Arne
Ask Tinubu

instead of worry about Yoruba Muslims,kuku worry about your private jets pastors

Agboriotejoye:
Onaiyekan is a northern minority and he emerged head of CAN. Kaigama also and he emerged head of Catholics. In fact, Catholics had two presidents in succession from the North. When will my Yoruba Muslim brothers head NSCIA and stop taking the post of letter writers

and if tinubu make oneiyaekan as VP candidate, would your hero babachir accept?

CAN include Catholic and Protestants,we are talking about CAN not just Catholics

Agboriotejoye:
Taqqiya from a dummy. A Syrian who is from the Arab and Persian race has emerged Pope. Same with an Egyptian. So it's obvious others can anytime. Cardinal Arinze and a Ghanaian cardinal were among contenders last time. When will a Yoruba Muslim be a contender for NSCIA head?

seems like I'm arguing with my dumbass friend called ojuotana,is that u?

Cos this is the same argument I had with him.



When will black become vactican Pope?

Agboriotejoye:
Kanuri and Hausa Muslims were conquered through Dan Fodio's jihad. Do you mean my Yoruba Muslim brothers were also conquered?
Is that why Ilorin had an emir from Sokoto?

why I say u dumb,u will say I'm lying.

Who told u fulani conqured the kanuri?