₦airaland Forum

Agboriotejoye:
Oh I understand you. It was protestant churches that made a distinction between elders as laymen and pastors as Bishops. Some apostolic churches even have overseers after elders. It all depends on use and semantics but the fact still remains that whether bishop, elder or overseer, the qualities still remain the same. And they are all by appointment not spiritual calling. There's nothing like God called me to be a bishop. That one is not scriptural.

emerged01:
Did God tell those pastors telling their congregation to vote one candidate to do so?

Bro,the roles of our Christian leaders are far beyond what we see them doing today. We all know the influence of christian missionaries on our govt. They brought light to Africa not only Nigeria. Even in USA they laid USA foundation on Christianity practice. What practice has our Christian leaders laid?
Look at Pastor of OPM,those are the practice expected of them. CAN are not suppose to be fighting the govt,they are suppose to coordinating the activities pastors to ensure they spread the gospel and they care of the needy as pastor OPM has been doing. OPM has up 20 secondary schools,hospitals e.t.c not using church money to set schools the church member cannot attend. And CAN that are suppose to protect Christians' has nothing to say about such evil practice.

Wipper7000:
Name the Landmark things all other Bishops/ CAN has done for Nigeria
[b]CAN is an association of hooligans.
Have you forgotten how Obasanjo dealt with them?

desiredhome:
Since you are the God that knows the fake and real ones, what exactly are the landmark good your presumed real ones has done for nigerians?

Niklaus398:
Go and search. I know it alien to your imams shall but e plenty.

desiredhome:
Story ......

limeta:
Attacking muslims on nairaland and the killing of Deborah (may her soul rest in peace) is the same to you .
I feel sorry for the infidels around you and your family .

Niklaus398:
ur cup of tea.

Kingzeez10:
Ode ni e. Learn to differentiate Muslims from terrorist. Have you seen all these barbaric acts in South west?

desiredhome:
Is that the admission to accept that they don't have anything to offer?

limeta:
Which of them is not a terrorist
The green grass or the snake

Kingzeez10:
This shows how intolerant you are. I'm not surprised though. Christians like you are full here on Nairaland. Its just like me saying because Apostle Sulaiman is randy and occultic ,all Pastors are the same.

Agboriotejoye:
It's obvious from your line of questioning that you do not understand many things about Christianity. First find out what a Bishop is. It is not a spiritual office like a prophet, evangelist or apostle, but rather an administrative one. Now, quick question. Can an administrator be self-appointed? It takes a Bishop to ordain another. It is scripturally wrong and hierarchically abnormal to self-appoint oneself a Bishop. Look, you can even self-ordain yourself a prophet or evangelist than a Bishop because those offices can be exercise of a gift which is clear to all men. So if Kayode Williams suddenly come out and claim to be a bishop, it behoves on him to tell us how he got there. It's just like those fake bishops. None of them can tell us who appointed them bishops. You can be an excellent software programmer. It's a skill you acquire. But you can't be called a software engineer until you study the course at a university, where others who have also studied and obtained degrees in the field confer it on you. That's same with bishoprics

miketayo:
The Catholic church won't tell you who to vote but will advice you not to sell ur vote and use ur head, and yeah the Catholic church is against the Muslim Muslim ticket

babaolofin:
You are always saying jargons to confuse yourself the more. Most (99.9%) of the time I avoid reading your essays because it is a waste of my precious time. You quoted Jesus telling the disciples he sent out to greet those they met preaching the Gospel because if they are not against them, they are for them. You said Bishop is an administrative title and somebody must be ordained by another bishop. You said people cannot just make themselves bishop. Finally, you said person can be an excellent programmer but not a software engineer until he receives a degree from University.

Babbling of a Social Media babbler. I encourage you to continue the babbling. Nairaland is an open field.

Firstly, there are thousands of bishops in Nigeria. Apart from Catholics and Protestants in Nigeria, most of the early bishops and archbishops in Nigeria are ordained by Archbishops or Bishops from institutions abroad. Till date, Institutions abroad still ordain bishops and archbishops in Nigeria. Not every prophet or evangelist can submit his CALL or Head for Ordination by some men of God in Nigeria because he did not know the Spiritual kingdom they belong. I have attended Bishopric Ordination twice at Abuja where some pastors in Nigeria and some West Africa countries are ordained as Bishops by an Archbishop from institutions abroad. Only social media insanity will make an insane person think that somebody will just wake up and call himself a bishop without having a certificate of ordination. I have seen Bishop in Nigeria that ordained his pastors as Bishops to give them higher authority. When some of those pastors left the Church they dropped the Bishop title.
Evangelist Kayode Williams did not speak because he is a bishop. He has been speaking to press for several years. It is only madness that would make a man to think that only a bishop can speak on a national issue.

Secondly, several years ago, during Pastor Chris Oyakhilome and Kris Okotie imbroglio, when his TV programs were suspended from some local TV stations on request by PFN, it is also possible CAN supported them. Pastor Chris Oyakhilome mentioned reasons why he is not a PFN or CAN member, I would not know if he is a member now. TB Joshua and several pastors are not members of CAN or PFN. There was a time Catholics Churches in Nigeria pulled out of CAN, later, they returned after being placated.

CAN or PFN is not the same as the disciples Jesus sent out on evangelism. CAN or PFN is an association of people in the same profession who come together to fight for their own interest or the interest of the institutions they represented. The Disciples are sent by Jesus. Not all the members of CAN or PFN are sent by Jesus. By revelations which you and members of PFN or CAN cannot accept, we have Archbishop and pastors in hell already. The archbishop and the pastors in hell are being celebrated daily on social media and by CAN and PFN. I have seen Prophets who represented their Churches in CAN meetings who said they will not attend again because of revelations received of some people in the meeting.

To think that only bishop can speak on national issue when Christian related matter is being debated is insanity. It is also high level of insanity to ask a person the Certificate of Ordination as a Bishop before you can know if he is qualified to speak.

desiredhome:
CAN are political instrument used by the politicians to cause confusion/religious crisis....
They are after their bellies.........
CAN can not speak against the fake pastors that are spoiling the Christiandom in Nigeria....

Perfectbeing:
They will say everyone supporting Tinubu is paid. And when campaign starts and you see millions of supporter supporting Tinubu they will either wail or insult people of liking suffering.
When Tinubu wins next year, they will wail more.

wirinet:
Calling a dog a bad name in order to hang it for opposing the policy of your preferred party. CAN is doing what it was set up to do - protect the interest of Christians. MURIC and other Islamic organisations set up to protect muslim interests would have called for violence if APC presented a Christian/Christian candidates for the presidential election.

Never in the history of nigeria had there ever been a same religion president/head of state and his vice. Abiola/Kingibe of 1993 elections would have been the first and it was thwarted. 1993 would have ushered in a new Nigeria whereby religion and tribal sentiments were not so important in politics. But that all changed with the introduction of sharia. Boko Haram, Fulani Herdsmen and now Bandits. Buhari then took the whole tribal and religious new level by Fulanization and islamization of his government.

CAN is speaking the minds of millions of Christians. Except Tinubu's lackeys and Muslims, no one is supporting Tinubu's gamble of a Muslim/Muslim ticket.

Image123:
Which of them is not a robber? Which of them has been convicted by any court?Is Peter Obi not still the lying thief we know him to be?

wirinet:
Tinubu can win next year, afterall elections in Nigeria is won by the better rigger and not on free and fair elections. That still does not mean majority of Christians will support his Muslim/Muslim government.

Perfectbeing:
I am a Christian and Tinubu is my most preferred candidate. I have lots of Christian friends who support Tinubu.

From all four major contestants, Tinubu has the highest track record of all and I believe he can replicate his ingenuity in all of Nigeria.

engrkaz:
Kayode Williams na former robber wey don go prison, Tinubu na robber wey wan become president…

wirinet:
We are not talking about track record yet, although that track record can be disputed. If we are to compare the track records of all previous governors/ military administrators of lagos state, we would find that Tinubu's 8 year tenure was not extra ordinary. Lagos has been the commercial nerve Centre of Nigeria for decades, it doesn't take much to "perform".

Anyway, we are talking about religious sentiments. A Muslim Muslim ticket is insensitive to the political sentiments of most Christians, particularly at this times, where Buhari had polarized the ethnic and religious atmosphere.

Does it not stink of hypocrisy when ethnic sentiment was employed to choose the APC flag bearer (Yoruba lokan), but you want Christians to employ competency when it comes to religion.
We might as well employ competency to choose a Fulani Fulani ticket or a Yoruba Yoruba ticket.

Perfectbeing:
If a bank manager increases the revenue of first bank from 1 billion to 10 billion, will you disregard his ingenuity and say he only did that because first bank was already rich and had high revenue generation before him?
Perhaps you would say first Bank is an old Bank that has been existing since 1875 and any one would be able to do what he did.

wirinet:
Lagos State Government under the military could no go on an aggressive revenue generation drive.


IGRs are generated by states through Pay-As-You-Earn Tax (PAYE), Direct Assessment, Road Taxes and revenues from Ministries, Departments and Agencies (MDA)s. Its a function of population and the amount of commercial activities taking place in the state. Lagos state was already the commercial capital of Nigeria with huge revenue generating potential before Tinubu came in. Tinubu was not the one that built the infrastructures that made Lagos a commercial hob.

Perfectbeing:
You ended up saying nothing.
Lagos as the commercial capital was generating a meagre sum of N600 million monthly before Tinubu and before he left Lagos was generating to 45-50 billion monthly. Whether it was through PAYE, Direct Assessment, Road Taxes and revenues from Ministries, Departments and Agencies (MDA)s etc is another story entirely. What we know is that he was able to increase the IGR by a large scale.

If I was to choose between a manager that did that for my company or a manager that saves while my bankers and cleaners went on strike for 13 whooping months, I will definitely choose the former.

wirinet:
Calling a dog a bad name in order to hang it for opposing the policy of your preferred party. CAN is doing what it was set up to do - protect the interest of Christians. MURIC and other Islamic organisations set up to protect muslim interests would have called for violence if APC presented a Christian/Christian candidates for the presidential election.

Never in the history of nigeria had there ever been a same religion president/head of state and his vice

Abiola/Kingibe of 1993 elections would have been the first and it was thwarted. 1993 would have ushered in a new Nigeria whereby religion and tribal sentiments were not so important in politics. But that all changed with the introduction of sharia. Boko Haram, Fulani Herdsmen and now Bandits. Buhari then took the whole tribal and religious new level by Fulanization and islamization of his government.

CAN is speaking the minds of millions of Christians. Except Tinubu's lackeys and Muslims, no one is supporting Tinubu's gamble of a Muslim/Muslim ticket.

InvertedHammer:
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His picture only elicits laughter. Packet shirt, big aluminium necklace and aboki skull cap do not make a bishop

No need to say anymore.

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Righteousness2:
We have warned! We warn again!!
Even if an angel tells you to vote Apc 2023 ticket, reject it!
That ticket is a Catalogue of Doom, Darkness and Death.
I Pity those who don't heed!

Agboriotejoye:
You wrote a lot of rubbish that I don't have any business responding to. What I can notice is you were just going on a merry-go-round and ascribing to me what I never implied.
Well, in case you must know since you're so ignorant, even Kayode Williams know there's order in spiritual matters. A man of lesser office is not expected to openly defy or denounce those who are higher than him in the priestly order. You may not understand this but that's how it is. Which is why it's important for him to brandish his so-called Bishop title and claim divine authority in making his position known.

I also find it amusing that you ignorantly made a distinction between members of CAN and disciples of Christ. It is obvious you let your dubious bias get the better of you.
I won't want to waste much time on your tiring tirade filled with much trifles.
Just watch how you quote me and the manner you refer to me.

wirinet:
We are not talking about track record yet, although that track record can be disputed. If we are to compare the track records of all previous governors/ military administrators of lagos state, we would find that Tinubu's 8 year tenure was not extra ordinary. Lagos has been the commercial nerve Centre of Nigeria for decades, it doesn't take much to "perform".

Anyway, we are talking about religious sentiments. A Muslim Muslim ticket is insensitive to the political sentiments of most Christians, particularly at this times, where Buhari had polarized the ethnic and religious atmosphere.

Does it not stink of hypocrisy when ethnic sentiment was employed to choose the APC flag bearer (Yoruba lokan), but you want Christians to employ competency when it comes to religion.
We might as well employ competency to choose a Fulani Fulani ticket or a Yoruba Yoruba ticket.