TenQ:

Except that the Scientific notation till date is that the Universe began about 13.8 billion years ago from a gravitational singularity.

According to this theory, space and time emerged together 13.787±0.020 billion years ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe

Sorry sir, you are completely WRONG!

Moot and I disagree. According to you your palestinian god has ALWAYS existed. And according to me the UNIVERSE has ALWAYS existed.

Maynman:

Some people love wallowing in ignorance!

It’s you that should read up.

Is theist and theistic satanist the same thing?
Are you not a theist?

Think na

I gave the difference clearly in my post, but as one who is enslaved by satan, he cannot see.

Let me oblige you:

TenQ:

Don't be blinded by words:
I said!:
Although there are two kinds of satanism
1. The religious/spiritual satanism:
They actually replace God with a spirit entity "Satan"
2. The irreligious satanism:
They replace God with self

The religious Satanist is a THEIST!

The Irreligious Satanist is an ATHEIST: he doesn't relate to any higher invisible being EXCEPT himself!

Of course, I am just defining the term SATANIST as not every Atheists call themselves a Satanist!

TenQ:

I wish you are humble enough to fill yourself with knowledge before splashing about the waters of reason


The Satanist groups that appeared after the 1960s are widely diverse, but two major trends are theistic Satanism and atheistic Satanism. (1) Theistic Satanists venerate Satan as a supernatural deity, viewing him not as omnipotent but rather as a patriarch. In contrast, atheistic Satanists regard Satan as a symbol of certain human traits.(2)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism

It seems you just read about the definition of Atheism!
SMH!!

Have you seen the difference?

TenQ:

Really?

Faith is the same as TRUSTING the integrity of a Person.

Do you think your wife (if you are married) will cheat on you?
The answer you give is a statement of your Faith or Lack of Faith in her.

If you have swallowed a wrong definition of faith, relearn.

You can have faith that your wife will not cheat on your and yet she can end up cheating on you.

You can have faith that your palestinian god, yahweh exists and yet he does not exist.

On the other hand, reason tells me that the sky is blue. Emprical evidence. Get it?

TenQ:

I gave the difference clearly in my post, but as one who is enslaved by satan, he cannot see.

Let me oblige you:







Have you seen the difference?

The indoctrinated sheep doesn’t know the origin of the word “satan” to start with.
You’ve been enslaved with YAHWEH of Shasu Tribe.

According to you “The religious Satanist is a THEIST”
Are you not a THEIST?

Think na

Maynman:

Your ignorance is glaring, how are you cherry-picking where to answer, why don’t you send a Wikipedia link of jews?

You quoted a verse in a random book. Bwahahahah.
It answered nothing Chrestian.
Is “noah” a jew?
Where do “jews” come from?

Who else is called a Jew in the world apart from people from a certain nation of Israel?

How could Noah be a Jew: only children of Israel can be Jews and Mordecai and Jesus were good examples!


Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים, ISO 259-2: Yehudim, Israeli pronunciation: [jehuˈdim]) or Jewish people are an ethnoreligious group[10] and nation[11][12] originating from the Israelites[13][14][15] and Hebrews[16][17] of historical Israel and Judah. Jewish ethnicity, nationhood, and religion are strongly interrelated,[18][19] as Judaism is the ethnic religion of the Jewish people, although its observance varies from strict to none

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews

TenQ:

Who else is called a Jew in the world apart from people from a certain nation of Israel?

How could Noah be a Jew: only children of Israel can be Jews and Mordecai and Jesus were good examples!


Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים, ISO 259-2: Yehudim, Israeli pronunciation: [jehuˈdim]) or Jewish people are an ethnoreligious group[10] and nation[11][12] originating from the Israelites[13][14][15] and Hebrews[16][17] of historical Israel and Judah. Jewish ethnicity, nationhood, and religion are strongly interrelated,[18][19] as Judaism is the ethnic religion of the Jewish people, although its observance varies from strict to none

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews

What you mean here then.
“Only two seem completely different
1. Yahweh of the Christians and Jews
2. Allah of the Muslims”

Which god was noah and moses worshipping?

Dtruthspeaker:
So based on my answer faith and reason are connected like a car with its steering wheel, tyres, engine, chairs, transmission, pedals etc and all the things necessary to make that take a person from one destination to another.

Wrong. If faith in your palestinian god was necessary for life atheists would not exist.

Maynman:


Are you taking all what science said as possible and not possible to be FACT, before we go on?
No strawman fallacy here.
By the way, scientists says they don’t know.
Karma is also called law of causation.

And do you also know an effect can occur before a cause? Is it logically and scientifically possible?

Please can you give me a reference where science says:
It doesn't know of a infinite regress of cause and effect is scientifically or logically possible? AND the EVIDENCE for such a conclusion

And please justify how the Universe can begin 13.8 billion years ago?

Thanks

TenQ:

Please can you give me a reference where science says:
It doesn't know of a infinite regress of cause and effect is scientifically or logically possible? AND the EVIDENCE for such a conclusion

So listen to your advice, and answer my questions

Are you taking all what science said as possible and not possible to be FACT, before we go on?

TheSourcerer:
oh okay sure , so where are you ?

Isolu, Funaab road.
But camp might be a good meeting point. I already dropped my phone no. On your reply on a previous post

TenQ:

Please can you give me a reference where science says:
It doesn't know of a infinite regress of cause and effect is scientifically or logically possible? AND the EVIDENCE for such a conclusion

So listen to your advice, and answer my questions

Are you taking all what science said as possible and not possible to be FACT, before we go on?

And do you also know an effect can occur before a cause? Is it logically and scientifically possible?


It was you that quoted big bang theory and said universe began 13.8 billion years ago?
Are you confuse?

Sojourner2000:


Isolu, Funaab road.
But camp might be a good meeting point. I already dropped my phone no. On your reply on a previous post

Are you Fadigba?

thesicilian:

What made you become an atheist

Interesting. Majority of Christian youth are Atheist in disguise. Now that takes me back to your question...

Soon as they discovered Christianity is fake, they couldn't bring their head down to think of any other religion so they decide religion in it's entirety is fake.

Christianity breeds Atheism.

Please Quote me with a reasonable and superior argument.

Maynman:


Nobody thinks their wife will cheat on them, but alas we can see the reality.
You don’t know, you can only have “faith” and “hope” that’s not a good thing to base your entire life on.

Unfortunately, most important decisions of our life is made from FAITH.

How can you be sure you Fathered your children before investing all your life training them up?

Do you think Putin went to war without having Faith in His generals an His Plan?

Do you think anyone travels on a Plane without Having Faith that the Pilot is properly trained and mentally fit?

Do you eat in any restaurant without having Faith that the food is not poisoned?

FAITH is TRUST in the Integrity of a Personality: who ever taught you that faith is mindless believing is WRONG.

Do you know that by Faith you leap off from a plane having put on your Parachute!
You trust the INTEGRITY of the Parachute that it would do what it is designed to do.


Such it is with FAITH in God. IT IS A TRUST in HIS INTEGRITY!

TheSourcerer:
Are you Fadigba?

No I am not. Seems you don't remember me lol.
My name is Christopher. Aren't you p*dro??

Maynman:


Who are your “people”.
Stick to our discussion, Chrestian.

Atheism is the opposite of theism. This is basic.

I have not denied that Atheism and Theism are opposite in meaning!


What I've said is that the standard definition of Atheism as a "LACK of BELIEF" is wrong and nonsensical


If
-Theism is the acknowledgement of Deities!
Then
-Atheism is the rejection of Deities!

Do you agree with this ?

TenQ:

Unfortunately, most important decisions of our life is made from FAITH.

How can you be sure you Fathered your children before investing all your life training them up?

Do you think Putin went to war without having Faith in His generals an His Plan?

Do you think anyone travels on a Plane without Having Faith that the Pilot is properly trained and mentally fit?

Do you eat in any restaurant without having Faith that the food is not poisoned?

FAITH is TRUST in the Integrity of a Personality: who ever taught you that faith is mindless believing is WRONG.

Do you know that by Faith you leap off from a plane having put on your Parachute!
You trust the INTEGRITY of the Parachute that it would do what it is designed to do.


Such it is with FAITH in God. IT IS A TRUST in HIS INTEGRITY!

Who said “faith is mindless believing” you are a LIAR.
Faith is base on probability and your points says it.

I can be sure that I fathered my kids with a DNA test.
So many generals has resigned in russia.
Everyone travels on a plane with faith, but they don’t KNOW!
I eat in restaurants but I don’t KNOW that it’s poisoned or not.
So many people has gone to a restaurant that the food was poisoned, they also had “faith”
People in plane crash also had “faith”

Your logic is cheap

TenQ:

I have not denied that Atheism and Theism are opposite in meaning!

What I've said is the definition of Atheism as a LACK of BELIEF is [b]wrong and nonsensical.[/b]

If
-Theism is the acknowledgement of Deities!
Then
-Atheism is the rejection of Deities!

Do you agree with this ?

No.
Theism will be the acceptance of dieties.!
And take note of “believe”. When a theist goes further to “worship” these deities what does it mean?

Maynman:


Did you miss this?

The Big Bang theory is the prevailing cosmological description of the development of the universe. According to this theory, space and time emerged together 13.787±0.020 billion years ago,[11] and the universe has been expanding ever since the Big Bang.

CC GodsOwnMan

You are buttressing my point. The universe has a beginning 13.8million years ago.

Even the current Inflation Theory does not dispute that!

Maynman:


Arrant BS.

Olorun simply means lord of the heavens. Zeus simply means Lord of the heavens.
Should we also leave Christians and muslims with their zeus?

Olorun is an entity in yoruba religion. READ!

I laughed in Swahili!

TenQ:

You are buttressing my point. The universe has a beginning 13.8million years ago.

Even the current Inflation Theory does not dispute that!

Do you believe in the big bang theory?

TenQ:

I laughed in Swahili!

Orunmila is the first child of olorun.
It was obatala that created humans and earth in yoruba mythology
Keep laughing in ignorance

Jennygold111:

Where did you get that from?

You didn't do logic in school

Maynman:


YES.

i asked you now, what’s the origin of the word “miracle”?
Give me “standard definition”

A magician is performing miracles!?

Let me help you with the difference
1. A Miracle is a temporary suspension of the laws of nature for an objective.
2.Magic is the use of laws of nature or illusion to mesmerize.

Sometimes magic is loosely defined as to mean miracle but miracles is never used to mean magic.

This is the reason a Magician never does miracles but magic!

GodsOwnMan:


Moot and I disagree. According to you your palestinian god has ALWAYS existed. And according to me the UNIVERSE has ALWAYS existed.

Okay according to you!
Unfortunately, scientific knowledge contradicts you.

The Universe has been expanding from an infinitesimally small gravitational singularity from 13.8 billion years ago. At the same instance, time, space and matter were simultaneously created.

Too bad!

TenQ:

A magician is performing miracles!?

Let me help you with the difference
1. A Miracle is a temporary suspension of the laws of nature for an objective.
2.Magic is the use of laws of nature or illusion to mesmerize.

Sometimes magic is loosely defined as to mean miracle but miracles is never used to mean magic.

This is the reason a Magician never does miracles but magic!

Yes.

Help yourself and free yourself from indoctrination.
“Miracle” is simply a word, it existed before your religion was created.

Learn.
A miracle is generally defined, according to the etymology of the word—it comes from the Greek thaumasion and the Latin miraculum—as that which causes wonder and astonishment, being extraordinary in itself and amazing or inexplicable by normal standards.

The root word for magic (Greek: mageia; Latin: magia) derives from the Greek term magoi, which refers to a Median tribe in Persia and their religion, Zoroastrianism.


magus, plural Magi, member of an ancient Persian clan specializing in cultic activities. The name is the Latinized form of magoi (e.g., in Herodotus 1:101), the ancient Greek transliteration of the Iranian original. From it the word magic is derived.

Your religion thrives on ignorance

GodsOwnMan:


You can have faith that your wife will not cheat on your and yet she can end up cheating on you.

You can have faith that your palestinian god, yahweh exists and yet he does not exist.

On the other hand, reason tells me that the sky is blue. Emprical evidence. Get it?

Unfortunately for you sir,
The Sky is NOT blue Sir. Your evidence just failed you.

Sunlight reaches Earth's atmosphere and is scattered in all directions by all the gases and particles in the air. Blue light is scattered more than the other colors because it travels as shorter, smaller waves. This is why we see a blue sky most of the time.



You planning for the future is simply an act of FAITH: do you know if you'll be alive by next week Saturday?

TenQ:

Unfortunately for you sir,
The Sky is NOT blue Sir. Your evidence just failed you.

You planning for the future is simply an act of FAITH: do you know if you'll be alive by next week Saturday?

Exactly, he doesn’t KNOW if he’ll be alive by next week, so he uses FAITH

Many of them... They answered Christian useless pipo

Maynman:


What you mean here then.
“Only two seem completely different
1. Yahweh of the Christians and Jews
2. Allah of the Muslims”

Which god was noah and moses worshipping?

It seems you find it difficult comprehending things (Unfortunately I won't oblige you by reposting the text here).

How many Deites do you know that abhor the serving of other gods?
How many Deites in the world do you know that promises Resurrection of the dead (not reincarnation)?
How many Deites do you know that promise eternal reward for good and eternal reward for evil?

From these criteria, you can weed out thousands of Deities!

TenQ:

It seems you find it difficult comprehending things (Unfortunately I won't oblige you by reposting the text here).

How many Deites do you know that abhor the serving of other gods?
How many Deites in the world do you know that promises Resurrection of the dead (not reincarnation)?
How many Deites do you know that promise eternal reward for good and eternal reward for evil?

From these criteria, you can weed out thousands of Deities!

You lack knowledge of what you are spewing.
There’s nothing like “Yahweh of Christians and jews”
Jews religion is called Judaism, and Judaism comes from yahwism.
Christianity and Islam both worship Abrahamaic gods.
Who is the father of Judaism?
When your “jesus” was alive as a jew he worshipped the judaist god!

There are thousands of deities that does that, have you read greek mythology, or where do you think “hades” come from?

Your religion thrives on ignorance

TenQ:

It is actually scientific in that it is a PRODUCT of LOGIC. Logic is SCIENTIFIC!
If A>B (Postulate 1)
and
B>C (Postulate 1)
then
C> A ( Conclusion)

LOGIC is even more universally scientific because they are GENERIC and work Absolutely 100% of the time

When I said scientific, i meant something that was at least testable or observable. I'm not saying the conclusion you arrived at.. the one of the uncaused first cause.. isn't logical. It can be.

That's why i made reference to the Kalam cosmological argument. If something can exist without beginning to exist, the it can be likened to an uncaused first cause. I don't disagree with that.

But the fact that we have not encountered or verified the existence of such a thing/things .. is what bothers me

Coming to the issue of logic.. I'm always cautious because a lot of things can sound logical, until you find out the real story behind them.

It was a completely logical stance at a certain time, that the sun revolved around the earth. Afterall, who wouldn't think so when you see the sun rising in the east and setting in the west? But we know better today.

I'm not denying your argument on the grounds of logic. That, i would gladly give you. But i don't want to make a mistake of going with something that sounds logical based on my limited knowledge.

The sun revolving around the earth was a completely logical thing based on our knowledge back then. But as our knowledge grew, the once logical thing didn't really make as much sense anymore.

You're a theist who actually cares to look at science. That's something i respect. You once told me about Arvin Ash on YouTube.

Do you know about PBS spacetime? Similar to Arvin.. but more complex and more indepth.. i would suggest going through their videos on the big bang.

The reason i brought them up, is because they've shown me how little we actually know about the nature of the big bang.

All things regarding cause and effect trace themselves back to the big bang.. because that's the origin of all matter as we know it.

My issue with the big bang is how little we know about it. There are many theories that try to explain why and how it happened. Inflation theory is one.. but it's not the only theory trying to explain it. There is still so much we don't know about the origin of the universe, for us to say that it was caused by a first cause, or unmoved mover.

Going by our current knowledge.. the idea of an uncaused first cause makes sense. But that knowledge is incredibly limited. That's my point.

That being said, I'm willing to accept the conclusion of an uncaused first cause for the sake of this argument