Not one person during the time of Jesus wrote anything about Him and there were many historians during that time. All the writers of the NT were not born during the time of Jesus and never saw Him. Time for believers of the NT to reboot their brain.

OkCornel:


Is that what the Jews think about Jesus Christ?

If yes, kindly provide evidence of Jewish historians and scholars unanimously agreeing Jesus Christ is Serapis.

A Nigerian man claims to know more about Jewish history better than Jewish historians and scholars…this seems to be the latest joke in town.

Not to support the OP but what does Jewish thought and opinion have to do with the truth of the matter?
It doesn’t matter if Jewish historians support or oppose the historicity of Jesus or Serapis. What matters is if there is any evidence for his existence regardless if the source is Jewish or not.

Although there is no reason to think Serapis is Jesus or whatever nonsense the OP is claiming, the source being non-Jewish shouldn’t play a role in you accepting or rejecting his claim.

KnownUnknown:


Not to support the OP but what does Jewish thought and opinion have to do with the truth of the matter?
It doesn’t matter if Jewish historians support or oppose the historicity of Jesus or Serapis. What matters is if there is any evidence for his existence regardless if the source is Jewish or not.

Although there is no reason to think Serapis is Jesus or whatever nonsense the OP is claiming, the source being non-Jewish shouldn’t play a role in you accepting or rejecting his claim.

If a Yoruba man knows the history of the Germans better than all German historians and scholars…or the other way around, your point would be valid. But we both know that’s ridiculous.

How can a messiah come out of Nigeria during the occupation by the Europeans and the messiah was pro european and no writer during his time and ministry wrote anything about him. Time for beleivers of the NT to reboot their brain

MindHacker9009:
How can a messiah come out of Nigeria during the occupation by the Europeans and the messiah was pro european and no writer during his time and ministry wrote anything about him. Time for beleivers of the NT to reboot their brain

Highlighted flawed your illustration logically!
The Messiah (Christ) was neutral regarding all human governments!

MindHacker9009:
Not one person during the time of Jesus wrote anything about Him and there were many historians during that time. All the writers of the NT were not born during the time of Jesus and never saw Him. Time for believers of the NT to reboot their brain.

Who told you this?
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were all Jesus' contemporaries but two of them (Matthew and John) worked with him during his earthly ministry as (Apostles) closest confidants!
So you lied Sir!

sonmvayina:

MaxInDHouse come to this thread..
It's details the origin of Christianity.
Read again...

Na wah for Maximus o!
Everyone believe Maximus is the only person that's active when it comes to Jesus' matter.

Well this is sufficient for you:

OkCornel:

Is that what the Jews think about Jesus Christ?
If yes, kindly provide evidence of Jewish historians and scholars unanimously agreeing Jesus Christ is Serapis.
A Nigerian man claims to know more about Jewish history better than Jewish historians and scholars…this seems to be the latest joke in town.

MaxInDHouse:

Highlighted flawed your illustration logically!
The Messiah (Christ) was neutral regarding all human governments!

Luke 23:34
Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.

Yet He was very hard on His own people but the Romans He asked His Father to forgive

MaxInDHouse:


Who told you this?
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were all Jesus' contemporaries but two of them (Matthew and John) worked with him during his earthly ministry as (Apostles) closest confidants!
So you lied Sir!

Which of them wrote "Jesus said to me"?

MindHacker9009:

Luke 23:34
Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.
Yet He was very hard on His own people but the Romans He asked His Father to forgive

When God set a capital punishment (death) for His own people (Israelites) for sins like Idolatry, spiritism, fornication and many more nations like Rome knew nothing wrong in these things.
Lesson learned: Because only the Israelites had God's laws they are His only focus {Exodus 19:5} and they supposed to live up to their name as His special possession.
So to whom much is given much is expected Sir!

MindHacker9009:

Which of them wrote "Jesus said to me"?

"For God so love the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son" John 3:16

Jesus' speeches, expressions and gestures is for all humans as the Messiah. So none of his disciples could use that phrase because they know that whatever comes out of his mouth is for one and all!

MaxInDHouse:


When God set a capital punishment (death) for His own people (Israelites) for sins like Idolatry, spiritism, fornication and many more nations like Rome knew nothing wrong in these things.
Lesson learned: Because only the Israelites had God's laws they are His only focus {Exodus 19:5} and they supposed to live up to their name as His special possession.
So to whom much is given much is expected Sir!

But GOD sent Jonah to save the people of Nineveh from his anger. Yet the Roman Empire with their idol worship was occupying Israel and crucifying Isrealites who were against the Roman occupation and Jesus asked His Father to forgive them.

You just like making up your own stories

MaxInDHouse:

"For God so love the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son" John 3:16

Jesus' speeches, expressions and gestures is for all humans as the Messiah. So none of his disciples could use that phrase because they know that whatever comes out of his mouth is for one and all!

None of the writers wrote "Jesus said to us or Jesus said to me"? They wrote the stories in the third person meaning they were not eyewitnesses of what they wrote about

MindHacker9009:

But GOD sent Jonah to save the people Nineveh from his anger. Yet the Roman Empire with their idol worship was occupying Israel and crucifying Isrealites who were against the Roman occupation and Jesus asked His Father to forgive them.
You just like making up your own stories

Assyrians were ruling the world back then and they're taking their evil deeds too far, it's not about Israelites but the evil done even within Nineveh. Romans weren't evil rather they're COLONIZING the world of their time but Jews who has lost their privilege found themselves under the Roman colonist they (Jews) were fighting against Rome while their brothers in Samaria never protested against Rome.
So the Jews were wrong. Until God's Kingdom is established all humans must be subjected to whichever nation emerges as world ruler.
That's the purpose of Nebuchadnezzar's dream! Daniel 2:1-45
The Jews were arrogantly protesting against what their own God has granted, ordinarily paying their dues (taxes) even became an issue that they want to discard.
Jesus came to TEACH them what they should be expecting when God's Kingdom comes as foretold in the Bible book of Daniel 2:44 but the Jews don't just want to agree with that prophecy that's why the Romans were later permitted to destroyed their city and temple!

MindHacker9009:

None of the writers wrote "Jesus said to us or Jesus said to me"? They wrote the stories in the third person meaning they were not eyewitnesses of what they wrote about

Jesus' speeches, expressions and gestures is for all generations, that's why he ordered his disciples to go and TEACH people throughout the world what they have learned from him. Matthew 28:18-20
So you can't find that phrase in their records because by the time they penned down those words Jesus was no longer on this planet. It was God's Holy Spirit that brought back to their memories all that Jesus did. John 16:12-13

MaxInDHouse:

Jesus' speeches, expressions and gestures is for all generations, that's why he ordered his disciples to go and TEACH people throughout the world what they have learned from him. Matthew 28:18-20
So you can't find that phrase in their records because by the time they penned down those words Jesus was no longer on this planet. It was God's Holy Spirit that brought back to their memories all that Jesus did. John 16:12-13

Umm! You have been well trained to make up your own stories

MindHacker9009:

Umm! You have been well trained to make up your own stories

1Peter 3:15

Now you know what most Nairalanders have noticed in me before you see them call out MaxInDHouse to come and defend the gospel.

sonmvayina:
MaxInDHouse come to this thread..
It's details the origin of Christianity.
Read again...

We are the true disciples of Christ! Luke 12:12

Thanks for your time Sir!

OkCornel:


If a Yoruba man knows the history of the Germans better than all German historians and scholars…or the other way around, your point would be valid. But we both know that’s ridiculous.

Why isn’t it possible for a Yoruba man to know better than all German historians? Isn’t it scholarship? If the scholarship is thorough then it’s quite possible.

The ethnicity of a person making an incredible or implausible claim doesn’t matter. Tacitus and Seutonius wrote regarding Vespasian leaving Judea for Rome to take the throne. On his route back to Rome, he is written to have left Judea for Alexandria where he went to worship in the temple of Serapis Chrestus. While there he is written to have healed a lame person and a blind person, which were miracles to prove his divinity. Do you believe the story because they were Roman historians writing about a Roman or do you disbelieve it because it’s incredible and implausible, and reads like propaganda,”?

the point thing is that a person’s ethnicity doesn’t matter but the support for the claims made which have to be plausible and credible.

If a Jewish historian finds a 2000 year old charred chariot and claims it is Elijah’s fiery chariot, would you believe him just because he is Jewish?

KnownUnknown:

If a Jewish historian finds a 2000 year old charred chariot and claims it is Elijah’s fiery chariot, would you believe him just because he is Jewish?

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"
The word BELIEVE connotes TRUST and trust comes in when you have something tangible to do with the subject.
Seeing Elijah's chariot could mean something for credulous individuals but it's of no use to true believers because we have "HOPE" in what God promised so our faith is built not on what was written alone but most importantly on being eyewitnesses of the progressive fulfilment even though we don't see anything supernatural neither are we there when those promises were made! Hebrews 11:1

MaxInDHouse:


Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"
The word BELIEVE connotes TRUST and trust comes in when you have something tangible to do with the subject.
Seeing Elijah's chariot could mean something for credulous individuals but it's of no use to true believers because we have "HOPE" in what God promised so our faith is built not on what was written alone but most importantly on being eyewitnesses of the progressive fulfilment even though we don't see anything supernatural neither are we there when those promises were made! Hebrews 11:1

Man, stfu.

KnownUnknown:

Man, stfu.

My comments are for those reading with open minds not just those with preconceived thoughts!

psychalade:

Christians stubbornly refuses to research the origin of their faith fearful of what they might unearth.

The future is what matters most not the past neither the present.
True CHRISTIANITY promised a time when the world will become a Paradise. Of course that'll sound impossible when the thought of imperfect humans comes to mind.
But seeing the seemingly impossible promise gradually coming to fulfilment makes us believe everything that book said about Jesus of Nazareth!

MaxInDHouse:

My comments are for those reading with open minds not just those with preconceived thoughts!

And mine are for those still capable of rational thought, you cultish slowpoke.

KnownUnknown:


Why isn’t it possible for a Yoruba man to know better than all German historians? Isn’t it scholarship? If the scholarship is thorough then it’s quite possible.

The ethnicity of a person making an incredible or implausible claim doesn’t matter. Tacitus and Seutonius wrote regarding Vespasian leaving Judea for Rome to take the throne. On his route back to Rome, he is written to have left Judea for Alexandria where he went to worship in the temple of Serapis Chrestus. While there he is written to have healed a lame person and a blind person, which were miracles to prove his divinity. Do you believe the story because they were Roman historians writing about a Roman or do you disbelieve it because it’s incredible and implausible, and reads like propaganda,”?

the point thing is that a person’s ethnicity doesn’t matter but the support for the claims made which have to be plausible and credible.

If a Jewish historian finds a 2000 year old charred chariot and claims it is Elijah’s fiery chariot, would you believe him just because he is Jewish?

If you agree a white man knows the history of you and your ancestors better than you and your ancestors. Your point would make a lot of sense.

However we both know that’s ridiculous.

Now apply that same logic to the question I posed to the OP earlier.

Kindly provide evidences from all Jewish scholars and historians unanimously claiming Jesus Christ is Serapis.

OkCornel:


If you agree a white man knows the history of you and your ancestors better than you and your ancestors. Your point would make a lot of sense. However we both know that’s ridiculous. Now apply that same logic to the question I posed to the OP earlier.

If the “white” man does his due diligence and present his supporting evidence, them he can know more. I’m not infallible and all my ancestors weren’t historians so if a “white” scholar does the work, his whiteness wouldn’t be an issue. It’s the scholarship that matters.

OkCornel:

Kindly provide evidences from all Jewish scholars and historians unanimously claiming Jesus Christ is Serapis.

Read my previous post and see if I made the claim that Jesus is Serapis. I made that very clear!!! Regardless, why do you want Jewish scholarship regarding Jesus when Christianity as you know it is an invention of the Roman Empire?


You avoided my question. Do you believe Tacitus’ and Suetonius’ claim about the “divine”’Vespasian just because they were Romans?

KnownUnknown:


If the “white” man does his due diligence and present his supporting evidence, them he can know more. I’m not infallible and all my ancestors weren’t historians so if a “white” scholar does the work, his whiteness wouldn’t be an issue. It’s the scholarship that matters.



Read my previous post and see if I made the claim that Jesus is Serapis. I made that very clear!!! Regardless, why do you want Jewish scholarship regarding Jesus when Christianity as you know it is an invention of the Roman Empire?


You avoided my question. Do you believe Tacitus’ and Suetonius’ claim about the “divine”’Vespasian just because they were Romans?

And would the “white” man after performing his research tell you an entirely false narrative of your history and ancestry, would you accept their story above that of your ancestors?

Where did Tacitus and Suetonius claim Jesus Christ who was condemned to death by Pontius Pilate is the same as Serapis?

If you never claimed Jesus Christ is Serapis, why are you quoting me on the subject matter. That question was for the OP.

KnownUnknown:

And mine are for those still capable of rational thought, you cultish slowpoke.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm so you're pained that it's not everyone that could be carried away by your aggressive approach shey?

Well to you we may be cultish {Matthew 10:25} imbeciles {1Corinthians 2:14} but we will never ever become part of your so called people with rational thought {John 15:19} who are killing one another due to politics, racism and military services! Revelations 6:3-4 compare to Isaiah 2:4

KnownUnknown:


Why isn’t it possible for a Yoruba man to know better than all German historians? Isn’t it scholarship? If the scholarship is thorough then it’s quite possible.

The ethnicity of a person making an incredible or implausible claim doesn’t matter. Tacitus and Seutonius wrote regarding Vespasian leaving Judea for Rome to take the throne. On his route back to Rome, he is written to have left Judea for Alexandria where he went to worship in the temple of Serapis Chrestus. While there he is written to have healed a lame person and a blind person, which were miracles to prove his divinity. Do you believe the story because they were Roman historians writing about a Roman or do you disbelieve it because it’s incredible and implausible, and reads like propaganda,”?

the point thing is that a person’s ethnicity doesn’t matter but the support for the claims made which have to be plausible and credible.

If a Jewish historian finds a 2000 year old charred chariot and claims it is Elijah’s fiery chariot, would you believe him just because he is Jewish?

One simple question to your point on Tacitus and Seutonius.

Vespasian was not yet born or probably was still a toddler when Jesus Christ was executed by Pontius Pilate.

The Serapis Chrestus Vespasian had an encounter with has no connection whatsoever with Jesus Christ.

The details of the story and the claims therein has no connection with the question I posed to the OP.

Is Jesus Christ the same person as Serapis Chrestus? No.

Case closed.

OkCornel:


And would the “white” man after performing his research tell you an entirely false narrative of your history and ancestry, would you accept their story above that of your ancestors?

Why would I accept something if it is a false narrative? Plausibility and credibility with evidence determines whether something is true not the amount of pigmentation in one’s skin. If my ancestors or the foreigner claim that King Shango became a deity, I wouldn’t believe either party because the claim is incredible and implausible. Their ethnicity does not matter regarding the truth of the claim.

OkCornel:

Where did Tacitus and Suetonius claim Jesus Christ who was condemned to death by Pontius Pilate is the same as Serapis?

And where did you see anyone claim that they wrote about Jesus and Serapis?!!!
Let me repeat the question once more to clear up any difficulty you seem to be having.

Do you believe Tacitus’ and Suetonius’ claims about the divine Vespasian just because they were Romans?

Also, I’m sure there are plenty Jewish historians who don’t believe in biblical stories. Would you then believe one them if he says Jesus didn’t exist?

OkCornel:

If you never claimed Jesus Christ is Serapis, why are you quoting me on the subject matter. That question was for the OP.

I questioned your stance that only Jewish scholars or historians are qualified to make claims about the historicity of Jesus or whether he is Serapis.

KnownUnknown:

The ethnicity of a person making an incredible or implausible claim doesn’t matter. Tacitus and Seutonius wrote regarding Vespasian leaving Judea for Rome to take the throne. On his route back to Rome, he is written to have left Judea for Alexandria where he went to worship in the temple of Serapis Chrestus. While there he is written to have healed a lame person and a blind person, which were miracles to prove his divinity. Do you believe the story because they were Roman historians writing about a Roman or do you disbelieve it because it’s incredible and implausible, and reads like propaganda,”?

Thanks for this info temple of Serapis Chrestus shows who the followers of Chrestus or Christ were.

KnownUnknown:


Why would I accept something if it is a false narrative? Plausibility and credibility with evidence determines whether something is true not the amount of pigmentation in one’s skin. If my ancestors or the foreigner claim that King Shango became a deity, I wouldn’t believe either party because the claim is incredible and implausible. Their ethnicity does not matter regarding the truth of the claim.



And where did you see anyone claim that they wrote about Jesus and Serapis?!!!
Let me repeat the question once more to clear up any difficulty you seem to be having.

Do you believe Tacitus’ and Suetonius’ claims about the divine Vespasian just because they were Romans?

Also, I’m sure there are plenty Jewish historians who don’t believe in biblical stories. Would you then believe one them if he says Jesus didn’t exist?


I questioned your stance that only Jewish scholars or historians are qualified to make claims about the historicity of Jesus or whether he is Serapis.

Jewish scholars and historians are in a better position to evaluate their history compared to foreigners.

That’s the basic logic at play here.

And mind you, I insisted on the viewpoint of all Jewish historians and scholars. Not just one person.

MindHacker9009:

Thanks for this info temple of Serapis Chrestus shows who the followers of Chrestus or Christ were.

None of us can prove what we are reading today whether it's so or not but we have what no man can dispute:
All the things Jesus of Nazareth said about his future disciples are coming to fulfilment in our own time as we are all eyewitnesses to this fact:

Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity. Matthew 24:30-31

So unbelievers can believe any story they that comes their way! 2Timothy 4:3-4

Faith is the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen. Hebrews 11:1