₦airaland Forum

Alba3:
Nobody said Jakande didn't do well. My question to you is, when did Jakande left? What was the population of Lagos then? I talked about in the 90s; a lot already decayed by then. Why did you think lawma, Kai, rrs, etc were created? You were not in Lagos, my friend! I'm not holding you back from voting your candidate, please.
Someone only asked to be given reason to one of the candidate and I responded. Why didn't you give him reasons why he should vote for your candidate instead of finding faults?

I wasn't finding fault. I was only telling you development of lagos and lagos master plan can't be credited to Tinubu. It was baba's masterplan. I never said tinubu did nothing as well but the development under him was so slow, compared to what Jakande did when there was virtually nothing compared to what they receive as IGR now. Imagine saying the largest housing in Africa would be completed in 3 years and he achieved that. He also said literail would be done in 8years and had buhari not stopped him, he'd have achieved it. Let's forget what happened after Jakande left due to military interruption. 1999 is 22 years ago...yet, literail is moving at snail speed. We don't even know when the 4th mainland bridge would be started, with such huge allocation at their disposal. Tinubu may not be in government after his tenure but he's been actively involved. He decides who becomes governor, senator, fed reps or commissioner. His company is in charge of tax collection and all.

Lagos had always been progressive. Shebi you cited the population increase...was it tinubu who increased the population from the 80s to now? Those who built houses in 1980s and now, was it tinubu who participated in or contributed to the building? In my house , just like every home owner does, I Pay land use charge every year. Multiply it by over 8m houses in lagos yearly.More houses, more land use charge, more certificate of occupancy...CofO is now min of 1m naira. Approval of plan costs a lot too, depending on plot location and type of building. In the 80s, there was a replica of BRT called LSTC. Brt wasn't even what we needed cos our roads needed to be wide enough to accommodate as much vehicles as possible. In most of the Western cities where I had visited, some had 8 lanes in their cities. Instead, our roads are shrinking. What we need is a functional rail system which Jakande started which would have been done in 8 years as projected.

Chevron didn't come to lekki because of Tinubu, Mobil where tinubu worked and Total too. They pay taxes to lagos too. You see? By the time power changes hands, you'd probably apologise to those whom you're tackling because of tinubu, when you see real development.

Who knows if lies are not attached to this

WhizdomXX:
Honestly he is the issue is this
1.) Muslim-muslim ticket
2.) Most importantly he is from the ruling party.

To me religion doesn't matter, look at the state governors performance. Does their religion matter? The best governors are Muslims and christians likewise the worst of them are both Muslims and christians. Nobody can islamise or christinise Nigeria. We have a secular constitution.

tunjijones:
What about age? I don't think Tinubu will be strong enough for the stress of governing Nigeria. We don't want another half dead president.

And for your information, it was tinubu that sold this calamity of a president to us 7 years ago just for his own personal selfish interest.

You have a point on age. But look at the state governors, are the youngest governors the best governors? No.
What we need is a president that can appoint the right people into the right positions and fire them when they fail to deliver. And we all know Tinubu has record of appointing competent people when he was Lagos state governor.

aujile:
You expect him to turn him down? I see why your support is where it is

That's good

lexy2014:
Obasanjo hosting obi is a pointer to what?

Good question, very good question

Eriokanmi:
I wasn't finding fault. I was only telling you development of lagos and lagos master plan can't be credited to Tinubu. It was baba's masterplan. I never said tinubu did nothing as well but the development under him was so slow, compared to what Jakande did when there was virtually nothing compared to what they receive as IGR now. Imagine saying the largest housing in Africa would be completed in 3 years and he achieved that. He also said literail would be done in 8years and had buhari not stopped him, he'd have achieved it. Let's forget what happened after Jakande left due to military interruption. 1999 is 22 years ago...yet, literail is moving at snail speed. We don't even know when the 4th mainland bridge would be started, with such huge allocation at their disposal. Tinubu may not be in government after his tenure but he's been actively involved. He decides who becomes governor, senator, fed reps or commissioner. His company is in charge of tax collection and all.

Lagos had always been progressive. Shebi you cited the population increase...was it tinubu who increased the population from the 80s to now? Those who built houses in 1980s and now, was it tinubu who participated in or contributed to the building? In my house , just like every home owner does, I Pay land use charge every year. Multiply it by over 8m houses in lagos yearly.More houses, more land use charge, more certificate of occupancy...CofO is now min of 1m naira. Approval of plan costs a lot too, depending on plot location and type of building. In the 80s, there was a replica of BRT called LSTC. Brt wasn't even what we needed cos our roads needed to be wide enough to accommodate as much vehicles as possible. In most of the Western cities where I had visited, some had 8 lanes in their cities. Instead, our roads are shrinking. What we need is a functional rail system which Jakande started which would have been done in 8 years as projected.

Chevron didn't come to lekki because of Tinubu, Mobil where tinubu worked and Total too. They pay taxes to lagos too. You see? By the time power changes hands, you'd probably apologise to those whom you're tackling because of tinubu, when you see real development.

So western region wasn't progressive or Oyo and Ondo? Is it Baba Jakande that's still ruling Lagos while Bola Ige, Ajasin stopped ruling ruling Oyo and Ondo? There's always context of time and good leadership to continue progressive ettos. After wonderful work by the above mentioned leaders, the military destroyed virtually everything.

In 1999, there were new hope and among all the governors, few, including Tinubu you hate so much because he refuses to be a saint like you, renewed and expand what the like of Baba Jakande started and we are seeing the results today.

It's called a democracy for a reason; everyone cannot see through your spec... You prefer Obi or Atiku for some reasons and I prefer Tinubu for some reasons. When campaign starts, you want to win people to your side because of these reasons and I want to do same. Many of us are silent dictators, very very automatic. Campaign for your candidate, mbanu! It's to start looking for unnecessary argument here and there; for what? For likes.

tunjijones:
Me I feel obi will be clueless just like Jonathan. Nigeria is on total turmoil. I think we need a politician that will have the political will to do some certain things.

I feel Nigeria will never ever get better of we continue with this form of rule where the federal government is all in all.

Will obi have the political will to take us back to regional govt? Won't he be manipulated? Won't some igbos hijack his govt just like they did to Jonathan.

The people of South East were mocking other region during Jonathan to me cos they had major stake in the govt. These are my worries abt obi.

And he did not do anything outstanding while he was a governor.(forget about all the lies online now. I was old enough when obi was a governor.)

Lies such as he didn't save billions again?
He didnt take Anambra to ist place in Waec?
He didnt owe one naira in pensions and gratuity.


Well you are free sir to vote either Atiku or Tinubu thats the beauty of democracy, we mustn't see from same perspective.

Nice day sir.

Alba3:
So western region wasn't progressive or Oyo and Ondo? Is it Baba Jakande that's still ruling Lagos while Bola Ige, Ajasin stopped ruling ruling Oyo and Ondo? There's always context of time and good leadership to continue progressive ettos. After wonderful work by the above mentioned leaders, the military destroyed virtually everything.

In 1999, there were new hope and among all the governors, few, including Tinubu you hate so much because he refuses to be a saint like you, renewed and expand what the like of Baba Jakande started and we are seeing the results today.

It's called a democracy for a reason; everyone cannot see through your spec... You prefer Obi or Atiku for some reasons and I prefer Tinubu for some reasons. When campaign starts, you want to win people to your side because of these reasons and I want to do same. Many of us are silent dictators, very very automatic. Campaign for your candidate, mbanu! It's to start looking for unnecessary argument here and there; for what? For likes.

Good luck to you and your candidate bro. Have a nice day

7arrows:
Why wasting ur time explain to him. He has a mind set. So just free him i beg

I swear that guy na child

AminuRano87:
To me religion doesn't matter, look at the state governors performance. Does their religion matter? The best governors are Muslims and christians likewise the worst of them are both Muslims and christians. Nobody can islamise or christinise Nigeria. We have a secular constitution.

The religion matters oo my bro, especially after what we saw at Owo and Sokoto. But one thing I know is that in performance Tinubu and Peter are ages ahead with Atiku far behind, talking from their track records.

WhizdomXX:
The religion matters oo my bro, especially after what we saw at Owo and Sokoto. But one thing I know is that in performance Tinubu and Peter are ages ahead with Atiku far behind, talking from their track records.

How many churches were attacked under Jonathon?
Religion is just over rated. Our politicians are the same. Just pick the person with best track record

tunjijones:
But do you know it's tinubu that vigorous campaigned for Buhari and sold this half dead president to Nigerians.

So we are in this mess we are today because of tinubu and his selfish interest. With this point I made i wld find it difficult to convince my conscience to vote for tinubu.

How do you know.that

tunjijones:
I don't even know who to support in this election.

Tinubu is too old to rule this very complex country and his party even had the audacity to pick a Muslim as a running mate (I know that's the only way they can have a chance). But his past experience and exploits in governance is really speaking for him

For Peter obi, he didn't do much in Anambra (forget all what is supporters are saying online. How wld you return money back to the state account when there are several infrastructures to be built. I think he was clueless on what to use the funds for). But he younger and agile. He is not a saint but he is a lesser thief compared to atiku and tinubu.

For Atiku, I don't even know. He is as much a thief like tinubu but at least he picked a Christian running mate and he has vast experience in governance and has as much international connections as Tinubu.

Kindly advise on who i shd vote for with strong reason. (I have my PVC and I must vote).

FYI, I will not vote a candidate cos of religion or tribe.

and my questions to you are these, have you gone to verify what Obi did or did not do? secondly, have you ever been to Anambra state or passed by?

xevove2061:
and my questions to you are these, have you gone to verify what Obi did or did not do? secondly, have you ever been to Anambra state or passed by?

I was serving in Anambra state when obi was the governor. I even stayed back after my service for one year. I even married an Anambra babe...

Have I answered your questions?

tunjijones:
I was serving in Anambra state when obi was the governor. I even stayed back after my service for one year. I even married an Anambra babe...

Have I answered your questions?

it must have been another anambra state in Ghana not the same Anambra we think we are talking about? what do you people want per se? someone that will use 8 years to turn a state to Dubai or someone who will set the ball rolling non-stop for good governance in his time because government is a continuum. Nigeria's problem is continuity. If Abacha was still alive and ruling, Nigeria would have been infrastructurally great because he had a very long term vision. in the 90s he was talking about a 20/30years vision. This is what we want, not someone who will come there and turn it to their retrement home.

xevove2061:
it must have been another anambra state in Ghana not the same Anambra we think we are talking about? what do you people want per se? someone that will use 8 years to turn a state to Dubai or someone who will set the ball rolling non-stop for good governance in his time because government is a continuum. Nigeria's problem is continuity. If Abacha was still alive and ruling, Nigeria would have been infrastructurally great because he had a very long term vision. in the 90s he was talking about a 20/30years vision. This is what we want, not someone who will come there and turn it to their retrement home.

So who will come and continue it? Is it Peter obi? Peter obi is an old order politician. He was part of the system. He was a PDP member till wike frustrated him out.

If you want to talk about who has help the masses to fight and all that, it not obi but sowore. He is a youth and he is not a former member of APC or PDP.

If this election is not about tribalistic sentiments, then sowore is the man. Not obi, atiku or tinubu cos they are all the same and they are all friends in case you don't know.

And Peter obi is 62 yrs. He is not a young man.

Sabonbuharirufa:
Stop the lies. Nigerians already know the truth. Obasanjo can't support a walking corpse as a Nigerian president. Switch to another strategy. This one has flopped.

You people make me laugh with your wholesale ignorance. Obasanjo's business interest, mainly his farming ventures, has been troubled by insecurity in the SW.

OBJ has enough confrontation with Asiwaju to know he is a resolute, determined and fearless character.

What other candidate will he thenp adopt other than Tinubu if he has an eye on the improvement of his security challenges across the SW troubling him personally?

Will he choose Obi that Obasanjo knows from direct association is a coward who can never stand his ground and watched as his pal James Nwafor butcher Igbos, harvest their organs and dump their dead bodies openly and arrogantly in Anambra waters?

Or ObJ will back Atiku or Kwankwaso he knows will never, for obvious reasons, be able to move as they should?

Keep fooling yourself. Obasanjo and Tinubu may not be ideological soulmates but our former president knows the candidate who can best protect his own personal interest plus that of the SW and Nigeria at large.

tunjijones:
So who will come and continue it? Is it Peter obi? Peter obi is an old order politician. He was part of the system. He was a PDP member till wike frustrated him out.

If you want to talk about who has help the masses to fight and all that, it not obi but sowore. He is a youth and he is not a former member of APC or PDP.

If this election is not about tribalistic sentiments, then sowore is the man. Not obi, atiku or tinubu cos they are all the same and they are all friends in case you don't know.

And Peter obi is 62 yrs. He is not a young man.

52 year old Sowore is a Youth? The youngest person to assume office in Nigeria was Igbinedion and GYBello. Look at what they have done so far. Its not about palstering youth bla bla on the discussion, its about you you think you can trust out of the pack to get the job done, who has done it before, who is healthier because we need to add that into the mix and who will take repsonsibility for the development of their country.