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Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by Yusufisraelj(m): 2:23pm On Sep 09, 2022
Biodun556:
The man that removed federalism and replaced it with unitary system

He failed to prosecute the killers of Tafawa Balewa because they were Igbos setting the stage for revenge and civil war

Very sad indeed, but we can't tell if he didn't execute them based on tribal grounds.
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by Patriotsleague: 2:23pm On Sep 09, 2022
Everythinggood:
Aguiyi ironsi, the fearless lion from eastern region
The results is more than 2million igbos dead, and perpetual hate and distrust between Hausa and igbos.
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by hammer567: 2:24pm On Sep 09, 2022
Patriotsleague:

The results is more than 2million igbos dead, and perpetual hate and distrust between Hausa and igbos.
Yusufisraelj:


Very sad indeed, but we can't tell if he didn't execute them based on tribal grounds.

TRASH
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by insabarnur(m): 2:30pm On Sep 09, 2022
The Man whose ignorance brought my village (Nigeria) to it present disaster
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by Christistruth00: 2:32pm On Sep 09, 2022
The British left 3 Autonomous Regions the North the West and the East

With their own Laws and Government

It was Gen Ironsi who believed his own unitary System where everything would be under him was better in 1966

Till today his People are not happy with it especially after the North got their hands on Power

and fell in love with Ironsi’s unitary System that gave them all control of Nigeria

Can you blame them?

The North wouldn’t have built Abuja without that Power

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Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by Christistruth00: 2:35pm On Sep 09, 2022
chukkystar:
Honestly he was too confident in the people he had around him. TY Danjuma betrayed him and choose the side of one North. Nigeria hasn't changed much since then though, heavy ethnic tension


prime minister Balewa made the same mistake of over trusting Majors Don Okafor and Ifeajuna who were supposed to be protecting him

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Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by nickyvil: 2:35pm On Sep 09, 2022
There is a copy of decree 1966 law which was made, from page 1 to the last page, I have all the copy, I wanted to upload it here but its too large now, Ironsi abolished regional and gave law that central controls and all are under federal republic which he unified it and abolished state rule. The mistake we youth are making is instead of us to sit down and fight our common enemies, still this enemies are using region to cause confliction among us, we all should learn from the mistakes our fore father made and try to work as one. I'm not here to debate but to state fact and what's in the law passed by Ironsi administration.


hammer567:



DECREE NO 34 DID NOT MAKE NIGERIA A UNITARY STATE, IT MOVED IT FROM FEREATION TO REPUBLIC.


GOWON, MADE IT A UNITARY STATE.

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Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by obyno82: 2:36pm On Sep 09, 2022
Kagd10:


He was a junior officer without position. So why wouldn't he hold the keys? He didn't want to hand it over because of the fear of his senior officer hence his Igbo brethren killed him. So how's he an Igbo leader? You dey mad?

What was his rank? and why are you not bold enough to mention his name? and again why would a quartermaster general that is senior position be with a junior officer hold they keys to the armoury he doesn't have a battalion so he cannot hold armoury keys, can you tell us his rank?
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by hammer567: 2:37pm On Sep 09, 2022
Christistruth00:


The British left 3 Autonomous Regions the North the West and the East

With their own Laws and Government

It was Gen Ironsi who believed his own unitary System where everything would be under him was better in 1966

Till today his People are not happy with it especially after the North got their hands on Power

and fell in love with Ironsi’s unitary System that gave them all control of Nigeria

Can you blame them?

The North wouldn’t have built Abuja without that Power

WAS IRONSI ELECTED OR MILITARY DICTATOR?


STOP ABUSING BASIC INTELIGENCE WITH SENTIMENT.


SECOND WAS OJUKWU THE REGIONAL GOVERNOR OF EASTERN REGION UNDER IRONSI?


DID THE SW HAVE A MILITARY REGIONAL GOVERNOR?

DID THE NORTH HAVE A MILITARY REGIONAL GOVERNOR?

SO, HOW DID IRONSI ABOLISH REGIONALISM, VIA FEDERALISM TO REPUBLICANISM?

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Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by Christistruth00: 2:39pm On Sep 09, 2022
chukkystar:
Honestly he was too confident in the people he had around him. TY Danjuma betrayed him and choose the side of one North. Nigeria hasn't changed much since then though, heavy ethnic tension


prime minister Balewa made the same mistake of over trusting Majors Don Okafor and Ifeajuna who were supposed to be protecting him

Major Don Okafor was made the Head of the Federal Guards on Balewa’s Recommendation

Balewa was very fond of Major Don Okafor because he grew up in Kano and spoke fluent Hausa

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Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by hammer567: 2:44pm On Sep 09, 2022
Christistruth00:




prime minister Balewa made the same mistake of over trusting Majors Don Okafor and Ifeajuna who were supposed to be protecting him

Major Don Okafor was made the Head of the Federal Guards on Balewa’s Recommendation

Balewa was very fond of Major Don Okafor because he grew up in Kano and spoke fluent Hausa



ANSWER THE QUESTION
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by nickyvil: 2:44pm On Sep 09, 2022
Before Gowon made the law, the regional are subject to rule herself which decree 1966 under 34 stop and direct all to be under military commission. He (Ironsi) unified, then there is no even oil to debate on which most depend on timber , coco then and for the military to have access to that, he changed and unified us through the constitution but before it will be fully implemented, he was assassinated and the next government fully implement and create more state cos the power have already been given to military to dictate the affairs of nations

hammer567:



SO, WHERE DID HE MAKE NIGERIA A UNITARY STATE?


What does republic mean?
republic, form of government in which a state is ruled by representatives of the citizen body. Modern republics are founded on the idea that sovereignty rests with the people, though who is included and excluded from the category of the people has varied across history


What federation means?
Definition of federation

1 : an encompassing political or societal entity formed by uniting smaller or more localized entities: such as. a : a federal government. b : a union of organizations.

Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by nony43(m): 2:45pm On Sep 09, 2022
olatuns2017:



The mad man that destroyed our regional system of Government


Awolowo launch TV station the same year with Spain

But this mad guy and his folks put us into mess


Ibos can never be president in Nigeria

Mark it






You might not live to see that day. Watch what you say.
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by bibe(m): 2:46pm On Sep 09, 2022
For those saying he abolished regional government, that's false. You have to put it into proper context. There was a breakdown in government/law and order following Awolowos incaseration for treason which led to the first coup. The first coup left a vacuum in leadership in the West, mid-west and North and to stabilize polity he centered the government but still appointed leadership from the West North, Midwest and East as regional administrators.
Basically, the regions still existed and had resource control. He didn't abrogate resource to the center.

His handling of the coup plotters leaves a lot to be desired but you cannot in all honesty criticize his handling of the remaining issues. If Bringing government to the center wasn't the right thing to do at the time, why didn't the counter coup plotters decentralize it? But they went even further by abolishing the regional government which he still left and went further to abrogate resources to the center thus truncating resource control. For that, blame Gowon and his enablers!

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Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by Kagd10: 2:47pm On Sep 09, 2022
obyno82:


What was his rank? and why are you not bold enough to mention his name?

Why are you asking me? Na ment? Point is he wasn't an Igbo leader. He was a junior officer who was killed by his brethren.
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by bibe(m): 2:47pm On Sep 09, 2022
Biodun556:
The man that removed federalism and replaced it with unitary system

He failed to prosecute the killers of Tafawa Balewa because they were Igbos setting the stage for revenge and civil war

You have to put it into proper context. There was a breakdown in government/law and order following Awolowos incaseration for treason which led to the first coup. The first coup left a vacuum in leadership in the West, mid-west and North and to stabilize polity he centered the government but still appointed leadership from the West North, Midwest and East as regional administrators.
Basically, the regions still existed and had resource control. He didn't abrogate resource to the center.

His handling of the coup plotters leaves a lot to be desired but you cannot in all honesty criticize his handling of the remaining issues. If Bringing government to the center wasn't the right thing to do at the time, why didn't the counter coup plotters decentralize it? But they went even further by abolishing the regional government which he still left and went further to abrogate resources to the center thus truncating resource control. For that, blame Gowon and his enablers!
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by hammer567: 2:48pm On Sep 09, 2022
nickyvil:
There is a copy of decree 1966 law which was made, from page 1 to the last page, I have all the copy, I wanted to upload it here but its too large now, Ironsi abolished regional and gave law that central controls and all are under federal republic which he unified it and abolished state rule. The mistake we youth are making is instead of us to sit down and fight our common enemies, still this enemies are using region to cause confliction among us, we all should learn from the mistakes our fore father made and try to work as one. I'm not here to debate but to state fact and what's in the law passed by Ironsi administration.




U STILL HAD YOUR REGIOANLISM AND REGIONAL MILITARY GOVERNOR.


THE SHIFT AWAY FROM REGIONALISM STARTED WITH GOWON, CREATION OF 12 STATES.
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by Spandau: 2:50pm On Sep 09, 2022
SuperWriter:
Adieu Ironsi. embarassed
Real hero

This post is worth being on FP.


Real hero my toes!
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by GoodIsGod: 2:50pm On Sep 09, 2022
SmartPolician:
This picture just reminds me that all will live and die. Only God knows where they are now. Therefore, for the few days you have on earth, use it to achieve something positive. Purge yourself of hate, tribalism and evils.

It's better you believe that heaven exists, live a good life and later find out that you were deceived than not believe that heaven exists and later discover that it does.

I wonder why the atheists did attack your post. May be they are having a rethink
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by SmartyPants(m): 2:51pm On Sep 09, 2022
obyno82:


Nooooo let us be realistic here Ironsi said an i quote the regions would be abolished and replaced with collection of provinces that would be under the provincial administrator, let me ask is it not provinces that make up regions? so what he did was abolish the name region, then to ensure assimilation that would encourage unity they would be called collection of provinces. He wanted to eliminate the tribalism associated with regionalism. It was actually Gowon who removed regionalism and created 12 states

You are missing the point because you are fixated on labels. Region, province, state, or whatever, this is the point: Ironsi abrogated the autonomy of the regions and concentrated power in the central government in a unitary military system of government.

The regions remained in principle after this, but their autonomy was stripped, and their governors were military governors answerable to Ironsi in the military hierarchy.
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by Spandau: 2:52pm On Sep 09, 2022
perez100:
The Tinubu urchins are still spreading propaganda that Ironsi introduced unitary government. When Ironsi was killed we still had regional Governors (Military In charge). Ojukwu in the East, Adekunle Fajuyi in the West, Hassan in the north and David Ejoor in Midwest.

It was Gowon that scrapped it.

You have started with your lies.
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by Spandau: 2:52pm On Sep 09, 2022
gidgiddy:


He did not remove federalism in any way, it was Gowon that did that when he abolished the 4 Regions that existed at the time, and created 12 states

Those who came after Gowon kept subdivided those 12 states until we got 36 states we have today

Be lying to yourself!
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by SmartyPants(m): 2:53pm On Sep 09, 2022
hammer567:



U STILL HAD YOUR REGIOANLISM AND REGIONAL MILITARY GOVERNOR.


THE SHIFT AWAY FROM REGIONALISM STARTED WITH GOWON, CREATION OF 12 STATES.


The regions were mere administrative units with no autonomy from the centre. These military governors were answerable to the Military head of State. This act of Ironsi's was indeed the real end of regionalism.

Ironically, it cost him his life as that decree led to the riots that ended in the June 66 coup.

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Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by nickyvil: 2:54pm On Sep 09, 2022
Decree 1966 shift power to the center giving them power to appoint and change the self ruled which regional enjoyed to military by centralizing it.. Now the law shift power from regional to center and that is the beginning of the end for us all.. The appoint will be made by the military commission against when every region chooses their representative. To made room for more state to be created.

hammer567:



U STILL HAD YOUR REGIOANLISM AND REGIONAL MILITARY GOVERNOR.


THE SHIFT AWAY FROM REGIONALISM STARTED WITH GOWON, CREATION OF 12 STATES.

Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by hammer567: 2:55pm On Sep 09, 2022
SmartyPants:


The regions were mere administrative units with no autonomy from the centre. These military governors were answerable to the Military head of State. This act of Ironsi's was indeed the real end of regionalism.

Ironically, it cost him his life as that decree led to the riots that ended in the June 66 coup.
nickyvil:
Decree 1966 shift power to the center giving them power to appoint and change the self ruled which regional enjoyed to military by centralizing it.. Now the law shift power from regional to center and that is the beginning of the end for us all.. The appoint will be made by the military commission against when every region chooses their representative. To made room for more state to be created.



IT WAS A MILITARY DICTATORSHIP, WITH REGIONALISM.


THE SAME CANNOT BE SAID FOR GOWON.
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by Nwunyeodogwu(f): 2:56pm On Sep 09, 2022
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Rozross:
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You too like men…….everytime men this men that, kukuma become a man naw. Please rest.
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by SmartyPants(m): 2:58pm On Sep 09, 2022
hammer567:



IT WAS A MILITARY DICTATORSHIP, WITH A REGIONALISM.


THE SAME CANNOT BE SAID FOR GOWON.

It was a relay race. One person started the work, and another finished it but without question, Ironsi started it. It was a very unpopular move back then, but guess who supported it out of the regional governors? Ojukwu alone.

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Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by hammer567: 2:58pm On Sep 09, 2022
SmartyPants:


It was a relay race. One person started the work, and another finished it but without question, Ironsi started it. It was a very unpopular move back then, but guess who supported it out of the regional governors? Ojukwu alone.



WHAT YOU SHOULD CLAIM IS THAT IRONSI TRUNCATED YOUR DEMOCARCY FOR MILITARY RULE.


THEN AGAIN, HE WAS THEIR FOR ONLY LESS THAN 6 MONTHS, AND WAS NOT GIVEN TIME TO MANAGE THE CRISIS THAT FOLLOWED THE COUP AND TRANSITION BACK TO DEMOCARCY.
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by nickyvil: 2:58pm On Sep 09, 2022
Please try to download find copy of decree 1966 and read from start to end. If the law is no passed, there won't be Gowon dictating And creating more state under military rules.

hammer567:



IT WAS A MILITARY DICTATORSHIP, WITH A REGIONALISM.


THE SAME CANNOT BE SAID FOR GOWON.
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Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by hammer567: 3:00pm On Sep 09, 2022
nickyvil:
Please try to download find copy of decree 1966 and read from start to end. If the law is no passed, there won't be Gowon dictating And creating more state under military rules.

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IF IRONSI THAT WAS THEIR FOR LESS THAN 6 MONTHS, INTRODUCE UNITARY SYSTEM, WHAT STOP NORTH AND SW REMOVING IT FOR NEARLY 7 DECADES?


YOUR CLAIM CANNOT HOLD WATER.


WHAT YOU SHOULD CLAIM IS THAT IRONSI TRUNCATED YOUR DEMOCARCY FOR MILITARY RULE.


THEN AGAIN, HE WAS THEIR FOR ONLY LESS THAN 6 MONTHS, AND WAS NOT GIVEN TIME TO MANAGE THE CRISIS THAT FOLLOWED THE COUP AND TRANSITION BACK TO DEMOCARCY.
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by hammer567: 3:02pm On Sep 09, 2022
THIS IS WHAT THEY DID, AS SOON AS BUHARI ENETR POWER THEY STARTED BLAMING GEJ AND BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, 7 YEARS PAST.



THIS ONE IS STILL BLAMING IRONSI, EVEN AFTER NEARLY 7 DECADES.



ALL THE PRESIDENT FROM NORTH AND SOUTH WEST ARE NOT ACCOUNTABLE ABI?
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by malcomvee: 3:04pm On Sep 09, 2022
The fearless lion of the east. Such was his prowess in battle.. all the missions he led the british troops while he was there.. he came back without a scratch.. hence they called him “IRONSIDE”

Rumors were that he could not be killed and he kept a pet crocodile ( Aguiyi).

Sadly he was a one Nigerianist and he paid the Iron price for his folly.

Biodun556:
Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi (middle) during an army training exercise at the School of Infantry,Warminster England, where he took a company commanders course in the 1950s.

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