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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ositadima1(m): 7:07am On Sep 15, 2022
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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Dbossmanager: 11:20am On Sep 15, 2022
freeman67:


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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Frangel: 11:56am On Sep 15, 2022
Good we agree banks can't literally print money.

Your concept of 'creating' is based on credit. What credit does is to allow the borrowers produce/consume at a higher capacity than they ordinarily could. But in all, existing cash is transferred from one end to another to pay for this.

In your illustration, total deposits received was $21,000. Out which 10% ($2,100) was retained by both banks. Total loans was $18,900, but out of that $900 found its way back to one of the banks. Hence, cash with the banks is now $2,100 + 900 = $3,000. Cash still with borrowers is $18,900 - 900 = $18,000. Total cash with banks and borrowers is $3,000 + 18,000 = $21,000, which is equally the total deposits ab initio, but in different hands.

The banks did not 'print or create' new money but redistributed the existing money. Might be voodoo if they create money through loans and the money so created disappears upon repayment of such loans.�

ositadima1:


Banks can't literally print money but they do create new money when they make loans.

In fact, the vast majority of money in the economy today comes from these loans created by banks.

However, when a loan is repaid, that money disappears from the economy.

To understand the process of money creation, let us create a hypothetical system of banks. We will focus on two banks in this system: Anderson Bank and Brentwood Bank. Assume that all banks are required to hold reserves equal to 10% of their customer deposits. When a bank's excess reserves equal zero, it is loaned up.

Anderson and Brentwood both operate in a financial system with a 10% reserve requirement. Each has $10,000 in deposits and no excess reserves, so each has $9,000 in loans outstanding, and $10,000 in deposit balances held by customers.

Suppose a customer now deposits $1,000 in Anderson Bank. Anderson will loan out the maximum amount (90%) and hold the required 10% as reserves. There are now $11,000 in deposits in Anderson with $9,900 in loans outstanding.

The debtor takes her $900 loan and deposits it in Brentwood bank. Brentwood's deposits now total $10,900. Thus, you can see that total deposits were $20,000 before the initial $1,000 deposit, and are now $21,900 after. Even though only $1,000 were added to the system, the amount of money in the system increased by $1,900. The $900 in checkable deposits is new money; Anderson created it when it issued the $900 loan.


I hope this matter can be put to rest, abeg o.



Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ositadima1(m): 2:19pm On Sep 15, 2022
Frangel:
Good we agree banks can't literally print money.

Your concept of 'creating' is based on credit. What credit does is to allow the borrowers produce/consume at a higher capacity than they ordinarily could. But in all, existing cash is transferred from one end to another to pay for this.

In your illustration, total deposits received was $21,000. Out which 10% ($2,100) was retained by both banks. Total loans was $18,900, but out of that $900 found its way back to one of the banks. Hence, cash with the banks is now $2,100 + 900 = $3,000. Cash still with borrowers is $18,900 - 900 = $18,000. Total cash with banks and borrowers is $3,000 + 18,000 = $21,000, which is equally the total deposits ab initio, but in different hands.

The banks did not 'print or create' new money but redistributed the existing money. Might be voodoo if they create money through loans and the money so created disappears upon repayment of such loans.�


I agree it is a hard one to understand. The error in your reasoning is that the depositors account is a different entity independent of loans issued. Anderson bank loaning out $900 to a debtor does not change d customers deposit balance, it is still $1000 !

The concept of money multiplier is a topic in monetary economics. It is thought in schools. I didn't create the concept.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ositadima1(m): 2:20pm On Sep 15, 2022
Damn grin
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ibechris(m): 2:37pm On Sep 15, 2022
ositadima1:
Damn grin


Osita rest oh.

Make we move to another topic.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ositadima1(m): 3:06pm On Sep 15, 2022
ibechris:



Osita rest oh.

Make we move to another topic.

Ok, Sir.

Let me say one last thing oh. Imagine Gtb bank informing you that your precious money in dat ur account has been halved cause part of it was lent to a debtor. grin

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Olaide1295: 3:13pm On Sep 15, 2022
Oshokhai69:


Who told you printing money increases the national debt
You're inferring what wasn't said. Printing money and lending it to the government (via ways and means) is what the CBN is doing.
The govt. uses the printed money to pay salaries and consume. It causes inflation in the short and long run.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ibechris(m): 3:42pm On Sep 15, 2022
ositadima1:


Ok, Sir.

Let me say one last thing oh. Imagine Gtb bank informing you that your precious money in dat ur account has been halved cause part of it was lent to a debtor. grin



Hahahah.
This man,u are just funny!
So,make I go fight for GT na wetin u dey try to tell me now angry grin angry
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Frangel: 4:07pm On Sep 15, 2022
Pardon me, I'm not a banker nor an economist. I just want to understand and learn. Strictly from your illustration and your point now, where will the banks get the money to pay their depositors total $21,000 assuming they all coming at the same time? Print money?

Mind you, my reasoning was just that the money supply was still $21,000, against the $21,900 you stated earlier ($900 being created by the banks).

Practically, deposits are Liabilities to DMBanks, while Loans are Assets to. Before these are created, the banks have their Capital to work with. The interplay/management of these get them operating as banks.

ositadima1:


I agree it is a hard one to understand. The error in your reasoning is that the depositors account is a different entity independent of loans issued. Anderson bank loaning out $900 to a debtor does not change d customers deposit balance, it is still $1000 !

The concept of money multiplier is a topic in monetary economics. It is thought in schools. I didn't create the concept.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by VeeVeeMyLuv(m): 4:51pm On Sep 15, 2022
That's why it is very unwise, as in deadly to use only the national budget of a country as a parameter to guage the health of an economy to make a business decision.

Because the total money in the country is 10× to 100× times the national budget. it includes all the monies the country has been making since 1960 till date. Some banks alone are worth trillions.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by just2endowed: 5:20pm On Sep 15, 2022
who noiticed that stanbic asset mgt has not paid interest on mmf for this month>

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by mymadam(m): 5:59pm On Sep 15, 2022
just2endowed:
who noiticed that stanbic asset mgt has not paid interest on mmf for this month>

Actually, it appears that they have. What I've noticed over a period of time is that they seldom regularly display the daily interest, as before. However, if you monitor your overall interest/balance, you'll notice a steady increment. Maybe, that's not a good idea but that's what it is wink
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ositadima1(m): 6:09pm On Sep 15, 2022
Frangel:
Pardon me, I'm not a banker nor an economist. I just want to understand and learn. Strictly from your illustration and your point now, where will the banks get the money to pay their depositors total $21,000 assuming they all coming at the same time? Print money?

Mind you, my reasoning was just that the money supply was still $21,000, against the $21,900 you stated earlier ($900 being created by the banks).

Practically, deposits are Liabilities to DMBanks, while Loans are Assets to. Before these are created, the banks have their Capital to work with. The interplay/management of these get them operating as banks.


I am not a banker nor an economist. You would be surprised howmuch u can learn from google these days.

This is what i believe based on googling and some reasoning:

1. There are three main types of money: currency, bank deposits and central bank reserves.

2. Each represents an IOU from one sector of the economy to another.

3. Total money in circulation is a measure of the total amount of money held by households(individuals) and companies in the economy.

4. Total money in circulation is made up of bank deposits — which are essentially IOUs from commercial banks to households(individuals) and companies — and currency — IOUs from the central bank.

5. Commercial banks create money, in the form of bank deposits, by making new loans. When a bank makes a loan, for example to someone taking out a mortgage to buy a house, it does not typically do so by giving them thousands of dolars worth of banknotes. Instead, it credits their bank account with a bank deposit of the size of the mortgage(loan). At that moment, new money is created.

You see, based on d ideas above, when banks loan out to debtors, the total money in circulation is increased(for d duration of d loan). And of course there are liquidity risk when customers decide to withdraw at the same time as well as credit risks if customers default.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by just2endowed: 6:24pm On Sep 15, 2022
mymadam:


Actually, it appears that they have. What I've noticed over a period of time is that they seldom regularly display the daily interest, as before. However, if you monitor your overall interest/balance, you'll notice a steady increment. Maybe, that's not a good idea but that's what it is wink

Were you credited this week or last week?

My last credit was 30th of August. So what do you mean
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by mymadam(m): 8:01pm On Sep 15, 2022
just2endowed:


Were you credited this week or last week?

My last credit was 30th of August. So what do you mean

Unfortunately I can only react to what transpires on my MMF account! Here's my update....

Realized interest was ONLY displayed for the following days in AUGUST 2022....

02, 08, 09, 16, 17, 23, 24, 25, 29, 30, 31.


However, the Realized Interest (total) kept on rising, even on days not displayed. Also, the total investment too is on an upward trend.

Ordinarily, one expects StanbicIBTC MMF to continue displaying the realized interest on a daily basis but unfortunately, it's all haphazard in nature.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by just2endowed: 8:34pm On Sep 15, 2022
mymadam:


Unfortunately I can only react to what transpires on my MMF account! Here's my update....

Realized interest was ONLY displayed for the following days in AUGUST 2022....

02, 08, 09, 16, 17, 23, 24, 25, 29, 30, 31.


However, the Realized Interest (total) kept on rising, even on days not displayed. Also, the total investment too is on an upward trend.

Ordinarily, one expects StanbicIBTC MMF to continue displaying the realized interest on a daily basis but unfortunately, it's all haphazard in nature.

I was referring to September not August.

Anyway, now that inflation is 20.4%, why is tb still at less than 10%? Should we create a special studies of economics for Nigeria in the whole universe? Because economics principles doesn't works here.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Allschoolsinfo: 8:59pm On Sep 15, 2022
ositadima1:


Most of the money in our economy is created by banks, in the form of bank deposits – the numbers that appear in your account. Banks create new money whenever they make loans. 97% of the money in the economy today exists as bank deposits, whilst just 3% is physical cash.

All the available physical Naira can not go round if everyone decides to hold their moneys in cash. Why?

Bros if banks have that power, then the CEOs of those banks will be the richest in the world.

CBN solely have department of minting that prints money. The FGN periodically do budget money to print money.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by freeman67: 1:36am On Sep 16, 2022
just2endowed:
who noiticed that stanbic asset mgt has not paid interest on mmf for this month>

All MMF have their ways of crediting interests. Some (Like FBNQuest) collate it separately and send or reinvest quarterly, some monthly and some weekly/ daily. SIAML MMF before August reinvesting bit by bit like 2 -3 time in a week depending but since the beginning of this month, they have not reinvested it. They have just been collating.

If you pay close attention to your fund you will notice that there is daily/gradual increase (You can write down what you see today and check it back same time tomorrow, you will notice the interest). Also, if you are using the app once you tap on the icon to display your balance, you can also tap it again to see your current return. Meaning the collated returns that have not yet been reinvested.

I don't know why they stop. May they want to change pattern again.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Rizin: 12:26am On Sep 17, 2022
As long as it's GT, he will wake up at Innoson gate the next morning.
ositadima1:


Ok, Sir.

Let me say one last thing oh. Imagine Gtb bank informing you that your precious money in dat ur account has been halved cause part of it was lent to a debtor. grin
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by igbizen(m): 6:27pm On Sep 17, 2022
ositadima1:


Banks can't literally print money but they do create new money when they make loans.

In fact, the vast majority of money in the economy today comes from these loans created by banks.

However, when a loan is repaid, that money disappears from the economy.

To understand the process of money creation, let us create a hypothetical system of banks. We will focus on two banks in this system: Anderson Bank and Brentwood Bank. Assume that all banks are required to hold reserves equal to 10% of their customer deposits. When a bank's excess reserves equal zero, it is loaned up.

Anderson and Brentwood both operate in a financial system with a 10% reserve requirement. Each has $10,000 in deposits and no excess reserves, so each has $9,000 in loans outstanding, and $10,000 in deposit balances held by customers.

Suppose a customer now deposits $1,000 in Anderson Bank. Anderson will loan out the maximum amount (90%) and hold the required 10% as reserves. There are now $11,000 in deposits in Anderson with $9,900 in loans outstanding.

The debtor takes her $900 loan and deposits it in Brentwood bank. Brentwood's deposits now total $10,900. Thus, you can see that total deposits were $20,000 before the initial $1,000 deposit, and are now $21,900 after. Even though only $1,000 were added to the system, the amount of money in the system increased by $1,900. The $900 in checkable deposits is new money; Anderson created it when it issued the $900 loan.


I hope this matter can be put to rest, abeg o.



Please don’t argue with them again. Just refer them to debt and money creation - it’s a video on youtube.
With a particular deposit in a bank, they are allowed to give loans for example 3times (it may be more or less, but not 1:1) the cash they have as deposit. So if they have 100 naira and they are allowed to loan out 300 naira…what have they done? Create or print, they have just added another 200 naira from thin air.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by VeeVeeMyLuv(m): 6:29pm On Sep 17, 2022
igbizen:

Please don’t argue with them again. Just refer them to debt and money creation - it’s a video on youtube.
With a particular deposit in a bank, they are allowed to give loans for example 3times (it may be more or less, but not 1:1) the cash they have as deposit. So if they have 100 naira and they are allowed to loan out 300 naira…what have they done? Create or print, they have just added another 200 naira from thin air.
grin grin
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by emmasoft(m): 11:16am On Sep 20, 2022
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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Wapgod(m): 1:08pm On Sep 20, 2022
What stanbic ibtc branch is good for TB?
I just left one branch after much waiting and delay and I was told only 5% for 364 days is available which I declined.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by freeman67: 5:34pm On Sep 20, 2022
Wapgod:
What stanbic ibtc branch is good for TB?
I just left one branch after much waiting and delay and I was told only 5% for 364 days is available which I declined.

Back in the days, I will send a mail to their customer care from the mail I will be informed of what is available and also directed accordingly. The mail goes straight to head office branch from where you will be informed of what is available and directed to meet the nearest branch to complete the transaction/investment so the staff at the branch would naturally just behave because it's from HQ.

However, these days they hardly reply mails. You can still catch their attention on twitter sha. Then go to through their DM to make your enquiry/request and get the required direction.
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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by yinkaoke(f): 7:15am On Sep 22, 2022
Hello People
I thought they said there's an MPC meeting this week.

Also what is the position of this week PMA?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by aieromon(m): 7:33am On Sep 22, 2022
yinkaoke:
Hello People
I thought they said there's an MPC meeting this week.

Also what is the position of this week PMA?

Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by VeeVeeMyLuv(m): 8:56am On Sep 22, 2022
yinkaoke:
Hello People
I thought they said there's an MPC meeting this week.

Also what is the position of this week PMA?
they are likely to raise the rates again just like America's federal reserve did yesterday, and Swiss National Bank (SNB) just did this morning.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by yinkaoke(f): 12:22pm On Sep 22, 2022
Yeah 98% looking so, but what's ur thought with fx rate, is it possible it will drop given the high interest times we are witnessing?
VeeVeeMyLuv:
they are likely to raise the rates again just like America's federal reserve did yesterday, and Swiss National Bank (SNB) just did this morning.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by VeeVeeMyLuv(m): 12:57pm On Sep 22, 2022
yinkaoke:
Yeah 98% looking so, but what's ur thought with fx rate, is it possible it will drop given the high interest times we are witnessing?
Fx rate? It will keep going up (I am not even talking about the parallel market rate), I mean the official rate is set to get to the 1k to a $ mark. Gradually though, let's say in a couple of years.

Unless a Messiah waves a magic wand over our economy for a turnaround.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by yinkaoke(f): 3:19pm On Sep 22, 2022
Haba official rate 1k, maybe if things continues this way for 8-10yrs. The black market maybe yes but l need a more technically supportive explanation. I thought people will start giving up their hidden dollars I exchange for naira and then place in naira denominated invest as rates are going up or what do u guys think?

quote author=VeeVeeMyLuv post=116907717]
Fx rate? It will keep going up (I am not even talking about the parallel market rate), I mean the official rate is set to get to the 1k to a $ mark. Gradually though, let's say in a couple of years.

Unless a Messiah waves a magic wand over our economy for a turnaround.[/quote]

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