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Janosky:
2 chronicles 15:7 & John 6:27.
Is your Bible against setting goals and targets?
70 hours minimum monthly is our goal & targets.

The OP is not worshipper of Jehovah our God.
Make him,OP, set him own goal and target to please his own deity.

Shikena!

triplechoice:
Better now.

By admitting that 70 hours minimum monthly is your goal and target, it means that it's your organization, not the Bible that has fixed the time.

This is exactly what he wanted to know while he was still a JW.

Why not explain this before now instead of misconstruing his statement and accusing him of not knowing the Bible as if the 70hours is mentioned in it.

There's nothing wrong if your organization has fixed the time, but to find biblical support for it , I mean the 70hours minimum monthly, in the same Bible everyone has access to is certainly disingenuous to say the least.

Templee333:
CLASSES
There's nothing so special about those classes other than the usual JW pattern of question & answer. The instructors took turns to ask questions frm the textbook & we answered. Classes lasted for abt 6 hours a day. For all the ten days it was talking talking talking & explaining confusing doctrines,some demonstrations,field service, & some insults from brother Tony. Bro Tony always complaining of how some brothers have turned Jehovah's organization into something else.
"this is not how it's supose to be... Are u guys joking with Jehovah?...there's no more love". Bro Tony openly said b4 us that he's tired of being a circuit overseer, that he wanted to resign. I was shocked to hear that because that's a great privilege & i was desiring it,but this brother was tired of it. Maybe there's something wrong up there that I didn't knw abt...

Templee333:
...Back in our lodge there were a lot of gossips. Student gossiping about who's behaving badly,who misbehaved in class that day,how their congregation elders aren't competent. There were many topics to gossip about. Sometimes, student aired out their mind about the bro Tony's manners. As u knw,nobody spoke to him face to face or complained abt him in his presence until we got back to our lodge. Such is the power & authority that JW Overseers enjoy,the sheeple always fear them. I used to revere circuit overseers with such awe, but i later lost that reverence for them when I turned back frm their org. I once lose my temper with one of them back then,though i didn't resort to insult,i told him face to face that they're hypocrites & i'm walking away frm their fucking organization,he was so uncomfortable to hear that & i enjoyed the effect of my speech on him...

Janosky:
Oga, your Bible is not simply about DO's and DON'Ts specified in black and white.


2 chronicles 15:7 & John 6:27 are Bible principles every believer must work with.
That is what it means to handle the word of truth aright.

Shalom.

triplechoice:
You're deflecting.
I am not asking you what it means to handle the word of truth or whether the Bible is about Do's or Don't s ,but to show where in the Bible it is mentioned that Christians must achieve a minimum of 70 hours monthly preaching time.
You already admitted it is your own target which you or your organization have set.
So ,what is now the reason for your latest rhetorics?
I already agreed nothing wrong to set a target for what you want to do,but let your members know the truth about the 70 hours, and not using humbug to make it look like something a God has fixed in order to make them obey it That's deception
.All the Bible verses you listed never talked of any specific preaching hours. Oga just rest. You misinterpreted the op's

MaxInDHouse:
There is no scripture that says a Christian must make up to certain hours monthly but all JWs must preach and make reports of their ministry, {Luke 10:17} this is the norms that helps us to know those who needs help since Lord Jesus commanded us all to go out and preach! Matthew 28:18-29

The report is what the elders gather to know those becoming INACTIVE in their assigned divine duty and as our brother's keepers each of us has a duty to continue assisting one another to keep up with the Lord's work! Hebrews 12:12

However some may choose to do more in the work so the organization is helping them to set good goals for themselves as we ought to continue considering things that are praiseworthy {Philippians 4:8} that's what brought the issue of 70 hours monthly. Those meeting up with this are known among us as "REGULAR PIONEERS" they are the most respected in our midst, that's what the OP is pretending to be so as to gain attention but Jesus never said being a regular pioneer is the criteria to enter God's Kingdom he only encouraged us to do our utmost which the organization is encouraging us to do with the regular pioneer arrangement.
The parable of the talents is what Jesus used to illustrate this:
Our hearts condition determines how many talents Jesus will give each person, don't forget that time is money so if you choose to spend more time in doing the work of the Lord it means you're capable to let go of worldly things {Matthew 6:19-21} so Jesus will give you more understanding than those who can't let go but what happens to those who stopped the work completely trying to use all their hours to make materials things? well let's leave that in the hands of Jesus Christ the judge! Matthew 25:28-31
Today such ones are gnashing their teeth at those zealously doing the work Jesus will send them to where they belong and that's where their gnashing will end!

Thanks!

triplechoice:
Oh. This response has cleared the air
I used to think that the 70 hours is for everyone not knowing it's only for Regular pioneers.
There was a time in the past I wanted to be a JW, but this matter of meeting the target of preaching minimum 70hours monthly was what put me off. Nobody explained this very well to me. But of course, I didn't asked maybe because I relied on what outsiders were saying to conclude.
I assumed at that time it was for all JW, and believe me, most people are not even aware of the true situation of things. They just imagined that you all are expected to meet the same target.
Thanks for the clarification.

Templee333:
@ triplechoice
i'm not telling anybody not to be a JW. If u realy want to knw the truth & u feel that they (JW) have it, u can join them. They'll welcome u. As our people say: "experience is the best teacher".

triplechoice:
I never told you I want to join JW.. So why you're bothered, if as you say, your intention is not to discourage people from joining.



Not everyone who is following your story is doing so because they want become a JW.

The things you have shared as made it possible to understand the group better and this is good.

When you saw me arguing with Janosky concerning the 70 hours minimum preaching time, why didn't you come in then to make me understand it wasn't for everybody.

You were silemt all through, and not for once coming to clear the air that I misunderstood you In thinking that pioneeringi was for everyone.

Now that another JW has corrected that wrong impression for me ,you have jumped out to tell me what now?

Templee333:
VOW OF POVERTY
JW org teaches it's members to abhor worldly riches. Not just that,some members who are in what they call "Order of fulltime something something..." are required to take a vow (vow of obedience & poverty) to remain poor. I didn't officially make that vow (but was on my way to), but inside my hrt i had determine not to be rich. The 1st time i heard abt such a vow i was so eager to be qualified 4 it. When i look back at it now it stinks. How can a sane human make a pledge to be poor? But such is the power of brainwashing. All special pioneers,traveling overseers,bethelites,international servants,missionaries & their likes have all taken that oath.The vow is written in a form that one has to fill & sign, it contains a lot of senseless pledges (or it make sense to them) but maybe they don't live up to it, a lot of them still lie to the organization & make money out of their service...

Templee333:
@ triplechoice
i'm not telling anybody not to be a JW. If u realy want to knw the truth & u feel that they (JW) have it, u can join them. They'll welcome u. As our people say: "experience is the best teacher".

Templee333:
sorry i didn't mean bad.

SeniorMan715:
Though am not a Jw but most of the things you are saying here are false, Every denomination have people that are righteous and unrighteous in it whether they have been long time members or not. I have associated many Jw and befriended them, i know a loft about them.

Templee333:
i can't dispute anything said about JW, they are capable of being anything.

Janosky:
This OP who labelled Mark 6:14-21, Jesus abstinence from king Herod's birthday celebrations (the same abstinence practice imitated by JWs) as "brainwashed", do you expect the OP to be candid and unbiased?

The OP sabi ADD Maggi & spices inside him stories.

triplechoice:
Better now.

By admitting that 70 hours minimum monthly is your goal and target, it means that it's your organization, not the Bible that has fixed the time.

This is exactly what he wanted to know while he was still a JW.

Why not explain this before now instead of misconstruing his statement and accusing him of not knowing the Bible as if the 70hours is mentioned in it.

There's nothing wrong if your organization has fixed the time, but to find biblical support for it , I mean the 70hours minimum monthly, in the same Bible everyone has access to is certainly disingenuous to say the least.

SeniorMan715:
Though am not a Jw but most of the things you are saying here are false, Every denomination have people that are righteous and unrighteous in them, whether they have been long time members or not. I have associated with many Jw and befriended them, i know a loft about them.

tctrills:
The way you guys twist the bible. Was Jesus Christ invited to Herod's birthday?

MaxInDHouse:
Our enemies are many and they are ready to promote all kinds of malicious lies about:



When someone says the above do you think he is interested in the TRUTH?

Janosky:
Tctrill is desperate to convince this forum he's not TWISTING holy scriptures,Oga which birthday celebrations did Jesus Christ partake?

From your own Bible, please give this forum the verses and chapters.

achorladey:
When someone say the members under this religious organization are WIFE SWAPPERS or caught in WIFE SWAPPING, is it a lie or truth? I want to see that lot you know about them as per you be seniorman715 for their matter.

achorladey:
When someone say the members under this religious organization are WIFE SWAPPERS or caught in WIFE SWAPPING, is it a lie or truth? I want to see that lot you know about them as per you be seniorman715 for their matter.

achorladey:
Running as usual, answer the question now was Jesus invited?

tctrills:
You are right, I thoughts your stats was for the whole world. Now let's see what happens when we use Australian figures.

There are about 68 thousand JW members compared to 5 million Catholics. So if 67% of the Abuses were catholic, it's still a much less proportion to the JW cases.
Let me explain the maths to you.

The maths say out of every 100 cases of abuse 67 were Catholics
hence, 5 million Catholics commit 67 cases of abuse.
the proportion of Catholic abuses to the population = 0.0000134

For JW
out of every 100 cases, 1.7 were JW
hence 68k JW commits 1.7 abuses
the proportion of JW abuses to the population = 0.000025

The JW cases are almost 2x the Catholic cases.
Lesson; Remove the beam in your eyes before removing the speck in your neighbor's eyes.