OgaNightmare:

I saw your comments on another thread similar to this
Mehn I decided to research that Johannes Greber stuff. I was shocked, to see that the organization I slaved for and put all my trust in was nothing but a huge scam.
I downloaded the book communication with the spirit world of God. As you rightly said the useless demons mixed lies with truth(not surprised though).
They then continued to talk low of Christ and reduce him to a nobody.
Their teaching on the resurrection of Christ is the same and exact thing that JW'S teach that Jesus body evaporated, before being recreated as a spirit he materialized.
The must shocking one was "we must workout our own salvation"
The organization condemns getting books on magic/spiritism. They knew the source of Grebers interpretation but still went ahead to beg for his two spiritistic books, the wrote a letter to his foundation (JH.greber foundation).
I'll post the letter, maybe you might have already seen it but this guys need to be exposed.

It is a good thing you downloaded that book and saw what I saw. Watchtower got their teachings from that book.

At the bolded, I took note of those. There were other teachings the demon mentioned apart from these. I noticed how the demon, in each chapter of this book, kept repeating that Jesus is Not God. He kept explaining and explaining over and over again mentioning one point after another. The demon was deliberating on that way too much and that tells me all I need to know about this teaching. This teaching is very important to this demon! I could feel the hatred of Jesus from this demon! The same Jesus who created them before they became demons, is the one they are reducing to a Nobody. That is when I fully got the meaning of the word Antichrist. Antichrists attack the divinity of Jesus! Reduce him to a mere messenger! This was how I knew how dangerous the teachings of Jehovah's witnesses are! They are Preaching another gospel and teaching another Jesus straight from demons mouth!

That you were born in any denomination doesn't mean you already understand or belief the denomination, of course you will do everything they do in the group because you grew up with that mentality.
You need to be convinced personally about what you believe.

SopaterOfBeroea:

SeniorMan letsl us who were born and brought up as JW's speak. You might never understand until you pass through the same route.
I can relate to all that Temple333 was saying but I'll tell you that I never had his Zeal, his own is just extraordinary.

SeniorMan715:
That you were born in any denomination doesn't mean you already understand or belief the denomination, of course you will do everything they do in the group because you grew up with that mentality.
You need to be convinced personally about what you believe.

I don't think you know what you are saying. And it is someone like you Watchtower is looking for to deceive. Who told you people that left that Cult were never convinced about the Cult at one point in their lives? A lot of them sacrificed their lives for this Cult! So many lives have been lost because of dedication to this Cult! Dreams were shattered for this Cult! Homes and Families were destroyed for this Cult. That is what dedication and strong belief in this Cult causes! So, you an outsider, have no idea of what you are talking about. You are looking at people (Your JW friends) to judge this Cult. But you are not looking at the strange teachings, the sources of the teachings, the leaders of the Cult, the history of the Cult, the false prophecies, the way the Cult is run, The lies they create, the immense control the Cult has ovwr the lives of JWs, etc. And that's what Satan wants. He wants you to look at Image and not the curtain behind the image.

So, someone who has never been in that Cult knows more about the Cult and can be convinced about their teachings without even joining the Cult more than someone who was born and bred in that Cult that sacrificed so much for it. Is that what you're saying? Does that make sense to you? The question you should ask yourself is, why are so many people leaving the Cult in spite of it being God's only organisation? Why is Watchtower selling so many Kingdom halls all over the world? Where did all those JWs disappear to?

Of course, ignorance!!! If you were born in any group or you have spend years on it, it still doesn't automatically mean you understand it, you will surly continue doing whatever they are doing because that's what they are doing, not because you know why they are doing it.

Courz:


I don't think you know what you are saying. So, someone who has never been in that Cult knows more about the Cult than someone who was born and bred in that Cult. Is that what you're saying? Does that make sense to you?

SeniorMan715:
Of course, ignorance!!! If you were born in any group or you have spend years on it, it still doesn't automatically mean you understand it, you will surly continue doing whatever they are doing because they are doing it not because you know why they are doing it.

I don't think you know what you are saying. And it is someone like you Watchtower is looking for to deceive. Who told you people that left that Cult were never convinced about the Cult at one point in their lives? A lot of them sacrificed their lives for this Cult! So many lives have been lost because of dedication to this Cult! Dreams were shattered for this Cult! Homes and Families were destroyed for this Cult. That is what dedication and strong belief in this Cult causes! So, you an outsider, have no idea of what you are talking about. You are looking at people (Your JW friends) to judge this Cult. But you are not looking at the strange teachings, the sources of the teachings, the leaders of the Cult, the history of the Cult, the false prophecies, the way the Cult is run, The lies they create, the immense control the Cult has ovwr the lives of JWs, etc. And that's what Satan wants. He wants you to look at Image and not the curtain behind the image.

So, someone who has never been in that Cult knows more about the Cult and can be convinced about their teachings without even joining the Cult more than someone who was born and bred in that Cult that sacrificed so much for it. Is that what you're saying? Does that make sense to you? The question you should ask yourself is, why are so many people leaving the Cult in spite of it being God's only organisation? Why is Watchtower selling so many Kingdom halls all over the world? Where did all those JWs disappear to?

Am not talking about only about Jw my scenario is general, Is there any denomination in the world that people aren't leaving and new ones are joining ?

Courz:


I don't think you know what you are saying. And it is someone like you Watchtower is looking for to deceive. Who told you people that left that Cult were never convinced about the Cult at one point in their lives? A lot of them sacrificed their lives for this Cult! So many lives have been lost because of dedication to this Cult! Dreams were shattered for this Cult! Homes and Families were destroyed for this Cult. That is what dedication and strong belief in this Cult causes! So, you an outsider, have no idea of what you are talking about. You are looking at people (Your JW friends) to judge this Cult. But you are not looking at the strange teachings, the sources of the teachings, the leaders of the Cult, the history of the Cult, the false prophecies, the way the Cult is run, The lies they create, the immense control the Cult has ovwr the lives of JWs, etc. And that's what Satan wants. He wants you to look at Image and not the curtain behind the image.

So, someone who has never been in that Cult knows more about the Cult and can be convinced about their teachings without even joining the Cult more than someone who was born and bred in that Cult that sacrificed so much for it. Is that what you're saying? Does that make sense to you? The question you should ask yourself is, why are so many people leaving the Cult in spite of it being God's only organisation? Why is Watchtower selling so many Kingdom halls all over the world? Where did all those JWs disappear to?

SeniorMan715:
Am not talking about only about Jw my scenario is general, Is there any denomination in the world that people aren't leaving and new ones are joining ?

SeniorMan715, if Jehovah's witnesses organisation is such a wholesome religion to belong to, why is Watchtower selling so many Kingdom halls all over the world in these countries below. What did these numerous JWs see that they ran for their lives if the religion is God's organization?

SeniorMan715:
Am not talking about only about Jw my scenario is general, Is there any denomination in the world that people aren't leaving and new ones are joining ?

SeniorMan715, do you want proof of how this Cult is decaying? Just do a research on Watchtower selling Kingdom halls. Answer me, what did these JWs see before they ran? And Watchtower lies with the JW Numbers. They have been publishing the same population number for years, yet, they are selling Kingdom halls everywhere.

I dropped a question in my last comment clarify it first let proceed...

Courz:


SeniorMan715, if Jehovah's witnesses organisation is such a wholesome religion to belong to, why is Watchtower selling so many Kingdom halls all over the world in these countries below. What did these numerous JWs see that they ran for their lives if the religion is God's organization?

SeniorMan715:
Am not talking about only about Jw my scenario is general, Is there any denomination in the world that people aren't leaving and new ones are joining ?

Yes, people will continue to leave one religion for another. And most people do not do proper research before moving to another religion. They look at people instead of research.

You an outsider who knows nothing about JW, have you asked yourself why these specific JWs left? Have you asked yourself why people join the Cult? Have you asked yourself the main targets of recruitment for this Cult? I have said this before. Even village people know JW is a Cult and many people do not join. Every JW knows that people hardly listen to them. The only people that join are those who are unaware of exactly how the Cult operates since the Cult is very secretive and JWs never say anything negative about it because they are NOT allowed to do so. You need to know exactly how it operates before you join.

About selling Kingdom Halls it doesn't hold any water to argue, If you have numerous building in different area and you decide to sell some. How is that a problem ?

Courz:


Yes, people will continue to leave one religion for another. And most people do not do proper research before moving to another religion. They look at people instead of research.

You an outsider who knows nothing about JW, have you asked yourself why these specific JWs left? Have you asked yourself why people join the Cult? I have said this before. Even village people know JW is a Cult and many people do not join. Every JW knows that peiple hardly listen to them. The only people that join are those who are unaware of exactly how the Cult operates since the Cult is very secretive and JWs never say anything negative about it because they are NOT allowed. You need to know exactly how it operates before you join.

SeniorMan715:
About selling Kingdom Halls it doesn't hold any water to argue, If you have numerous building in different area and you decide to sell some. How is that a problem ?

Do you know what selling of Kingdom hall means? It means you are loosing so many members. Those members have seen your lies! JWs have dumped the religion. These many people saw something wrong before they ran. Now, Watchtower has become desperate and are now advertising themselves in TV stations for more members to deceive. Something they criticised other churches for. Use your brain.

SeniorMan715, if Jehovah's witnesses organisation is such a wholesome religion to belong to, why is Watchtower selling so many Kingdom halls all over the world in these countries below. What did these numerous JWs see that they ran for their lives if the religion is God's organization?

SeniorMan715, if a religion is selling its places of worship, Kingdom halls, all over the world, it means the members that used to attend these Kingdom halls have ran away! The Cult is dying!

It is dying because many JWs have realised that they have been scammed and they ran away! Shikena!

Apart from Kingdom halls, Assembly halls and Branch offices are being sold. Please, where did all that numerous JWs disappear to?

If you want to see Kingdom halls put up for sale around the world, go to Facebook, in the search bar, type Kingdom halls sale around the world. You will be shocked at how much death this Cult is experiencing that it doesn't want JWs to know about!

I will post some pictures soon.

Omitting and exaggerating information is very deceitful for people who don't really know and understand what they are doing.

Courz:
SeniorMan715, if a religion is selling its places of worship, Kingdom halls, all over the world, it means the members that used to attend these Kingdom halls have ran away! The Cult is dying!

It is dying because many JWs have realised that they have been scammed and they ran away! Shikena!

SeniorMan715:
Omitting and exaggerating information is very deceitful for people who don't really know and understand what they are doing.

SeniorMan715, if a religion is selling its places of worship, Kingdom halls, all over the world, it means the members that used to attend these Kingdom halls have ran away! The Cult is dying!

It is dying because many JWs have realised that they have been scammed and they ran away! Shikena!

SeniorMan715:
Omitting and exaggerating information is very deceitful for people who don't really know and understand what they are doing.

Have you asked EXJWs why they leave the Cult? Have you done a background research on the beginning of this Cult? Are you aware that this Cult is a Freemason organisation building Kingdom halls just like Masonic lodges and using Occultic symbols? Are you aware that their founder was a very high ranking Freemason? Are you aware that there are Freemasons in this Cult presently responsible for formulating the doctrines of JWs by doing what we call Spirit Channelling? They call themselves The Channel of Communication. Are you aware that the god Freemasons worship, Jehovah, who is also Satan /Lucifer is the same god JWs worship but they are not aware of it? Jehovah's witnesses = Satan's Witnesses.

Have you watched this video below? These are the Freemason JWs I am talking about. They operate in secrecy. JWs know them to be Anointed because that is the Lie they are taught by Watchtower but they are not aware they are Freemasons. In this video, they admit that Jehovah is Lucifer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTKQtp-ULwA

SeniorMan715:
About selling Kingdom Halls it doesn't hold any water to argue, If you have numerous building in different area and you decide to sell some. How is that a problem ?

WHY SELLING HALLS?

Jesus told his disciples:

“But now let the one who has a money bag take it, likewise a food pouch, and let the one who has no sword sell his outer garment and buy one" Luke 22:36

Outer garments are clothes used for occasions in most cases parties but swords are used for battles. Here Jesus is telling his disciples to sell those gorgeous dresses in order to possess a copy of the Bible if they don't have one.
This means it's better not to have party clothes than not to possess a copy of the Bible.

Now the Kingdom Halls are our place of meetings and in countries where some of our brothers are super rich Halls that worth to buy millions of Bibles and Bible based literatures were built just for their own pleasure. For instance i remembered a time when brothers in Lekki peninsula bought materials worth billions of Naira just to build a Hall to their own taste but an order came from the headquarters that all those materials should be sold and lesser materials will be used so the excess may be used to supply Bibles and Bible based literatures to our brothers in poor countries. What is the essence of building costly Halls just for pleasure when our brothers in other countries can't afford a copy of the Bible yet we are all doing a preaching and teaching campaign for God's Kingdom?

So when most of us heard that our brothers in poor countries are lacking and we have costly buildings worth fortunes in other places the best thing to do is SELL WHAT WE HAVE TO MAKE AN EQUALIZING {Act 4:32} so that the surplus of some may offset the needs of others! 2Corinthians 8:14

I never told them why this things has to be so because i've discovered that they're all crooked and faithless but for you my brother to know the truth i'm doing this.

Please ask them to show you Kingdom Halls that are to be sold in poor countries!

MaxInDHouse:


WHY SELLING HALLS?

Jesus told his disciples:

“But now let the one who has a money bag take it, likewise a food pouch, and let the one who has no sword sell his outer garment and buy one" Luke 22:36

Outer garments are clothes used for occasions in most cases parties but swords are used for battles. Here Jesus is telling his disciples to sell those gorgeous dresses in order to possess a copy of the Bible if they don't have one.
This means it's better not to have party clothes than not to possess a copy of the Bible.

Now the Kingdom Halls are our place of meetings and in countries where some of our brothers are super rich Halls that worth to buy millions of Bibles and Bible based literatures were built just for their own pleasure. For instance i remembered a time when brothers in Lekki peninsula bought materials worth billions of Naira just to build a Hall to their own taste but an order came from the headquarters that all those materials should be sold and lesser materials will be used so the excess may be used to supply Bibles and Bible based literatures to our brothers in poor countries. What is the essence of building costly Halls just for pleasure when our brothers in other countries can't afford a copy of the Bible yet we are all doing a preaching and teaching campaign for God's Kingdom?

So when most of us heard that our brothers in poor countries are lacking and we have costly buildings worth fortunes in other places the best thing to do is SELL WHAT WE HAVE TO MAKE AN EQUALIZING {Act 4:32} so that the surplus of some may offset the needs of others! 2Corinthians 8:14

I never told them why this things has to be so because i've discovered that they're all crooked and faithless but for you my brother to know the truth i'm doing this.

Please ask them to show you Kingdom Halls that are to be sold in poor countries!

A very nice way of tearing out a scripture and giving it a different meaning entirely.
But Watchtower won't waste time to publish reduced church attendance in top countries of the world

OgaNightmare:

A very nice way of tearing out a scripture and giving it a different meaning entirely.
But Watchtower won't waste time to publish reduced church attendance in top countries of the world

because of the increasing of lawlessness, the love of the greater number will grow cold. But the one who has endured to the end will be saved. Matthew 24:12-13

SeniorMan715:
Am not talking about only about Jw my scenario is general, Is there any denomination in the world that people aren't leaving and new ones are joining ?

All the religions in the world will be tested to the full for the materials used in building the faith of these religions to become obvious.
So today Satan is attacking all the religions so that everyone may embrace atheism since the time of destruction is closeby {1Peter 1:7; James 1:3} but noteworthy is the mountain of JEHOVAH (the light of the world) where faithful ones are running to while faithless ones are taking their leave as the light is too bright for them to cope. John 3:19
Of course that's the only city that's situated on the highest mountain so it can't be hidden from all eyes! Matthew 5:14 compare to Isaiah 2:2

The earlier you all realize that Watchtower is a more of a buisness than a religion, the better for you to see through the smoke screen.

They currently have three very viable businesses -

1. Real Estate,

2. Book publishing, and of recent,

3. Movie production (by renting out their million dollar studio)

The selling of Kingdom Halls, Assembly halls, etc might be for a couple of reasons:

1. To raise money to settle court cases of Child Sexual Abuse,

2. Because their numbers are dwindling, or

3. Most likely to simply ramp up the profits.

The Watchtower is eventually going to become a full online church more like what Televangelists have been doing for many years now.

Why attend a kingdom hall when you can simply join in via Zoom?

Also, with the construction of their million dollar movie studio at Ramapo, they might eventually setup an online streaming service like Netflix where they showcase "Bible based" dramas.

The future is going to quite interesting.

Fingers crossed.

@SeniorMan have you noticed how they all fled from the truth ?

In which of the poor countries has a hall been sold?

Before now God's organization often sell our publications including Bibles not until God's Holy Spirit told us to start giving it out freely.

WHY?

Because there are many who can give more than price tagged to the publications and millions who can't afford it so the spirit of God now told us to take voluntary donations instead of placing a cost price and so far so good we now have more to give out to the less privileged who truly need a message of hope.

This is how faithless ones leaving God's organization goes about maligning the truth but when they come in contact with hard facts they will become dumb! Luke12:11-12 compare to Isaiah 54:17

God bless you MY BROTHER!

MaxInDHouse:
@SeniorMan have you noticed how they all fled from the truth ?

In which of the poor countries has a hall been sold?

Why sell kingdom halls in "poor countries"?

How much is a kingdom hall worth in these "poor countries"?

A wise real estate investor won't sell off property that won't bring profit.

After all, it is in these poor countries that your numbers are fairly strong, so go figure.

Before now God's organization often sell our publications including Bibles not until God's Holy Spirit told us to start giving it out freely.

This is a bold faced LIE.

The Watchtower stopped selling their literature because that would mean they'd start paying taxes.

Go do your research and verify this information.

At bolded, I thought the Holy Spirit is just an active force, how come it "spoke" to you guys?

Does this mean your Holy Spirit is has a personality and thus it "speaks"?

oteneaaron:

Why sell kingdom halls in "poor countries"?
How much is a kingdom hall worth in these "poor countries"?
A wise real estate investor won't sell off property that won't bring profit.
After all, it is in these poor countries that your numbers are fairly strong, so go figure.

That makes your lies obvious when you guys say Kingdom Halls were sold due to reduction in attendance. So we need the capital to make an EQUALIZING where it's needed!

oteneaaron:

This is a bold faced LIE.
The Watchtower stopped selling their literature because that would mean they'd start paying taxes.
Go do your research and verify this information.
At bolded, I thought the Holy Spirit is just an active force, how come it "spoke" to you guys?
Does this mean your Holy Spirit is has a personality and thus it "speaks"?

Whenever i say "you guys aren't real JWs" it seems i'm joking but i purposely set a trap with that comment knowing fully well that one of you will rush in to criticize me.

Now learn what you never knew all your wasted life among God's people!

God's active force doesn't speak in a literal sense rather it speaks through the Bible (God's word)
After the diligent study, thorough meditation and fervent prayer {Proverbs 2:1-5} God will use His Active Force to direct us to what we need to do regarding our supplication {Luke 12:11-12} so it will be as if we are hearing a voice speaking directly to us on what to do! Isaiah 30:21

You guys were never JWs for real because real JWs like me will surely ask all these questions to know why Jesus personalized God's Holy Spirit when God's organization said it's just His active force. But it's obvious you people only attend the meetings as kids following your parents not after many years you later began doing what you should have done from the onset.

I was born in another religion but in my heart i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses that's why my God called me out of darkness into his wonderful light. Ephesians 5:8

So if you want to learn this is the time format all the misconceptions you formally had because you knew almost nothing about God's Organization!

Bible scolars, i dey hail una-o

Templee333:

Bible scolars, i dey hail una-o

We value our HERITAGE! Isaiah 54:17

Maximus: "Holy Spirit spoke to us to stop selling our publications"

OtenaAron: "How did he speak to you,I thought it's just an active force".

Maximus: "Through study and prayerful meditation God's active force spoked to us through the Bible that we should stop selling our mumu books, we should dash it for free.

*I never see confusion reach this level oooooo
Archoladey

Templee333:
Bible scolars, i dey hail una-o

Bible Scholars my foot
Just ask any of them what is HERMENEUTICS and EXEGESIS?
Them go just dey look you

SopaterOfBeroea:
Maximus: "Holy Spirit spoke to us to stop selling our publications"

OtenaAron: "How did he speak to you,I thought it's just an active force".

Maximus: "Through study and prayerful meditation God's active force speaks to us through the Bible that we should stop selling our mumu books, we should dash it for free.

*I never seen confusion reach this level oooooo
Archoladey

Ọmọ have you ever heard of the phrase
"Action SPEAKS louder than words?"

Well actions don't say a word in a literal sense it's just a figurative expression.

Now call all your friends to refute that!

SopaterOfBeroea:

Bible Scholars my foot
Just ask any of them what is HERMENEUTICS and EXEGESIS?
Them go just dey look you

Abeg where are the FRUIT of your grammar? Matthew 7:16-18


Look around you and see zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word erasing politics and racism from the hearts of millions throughout the earth! James 2:18-26

Ọmọ keep your HERMENEUTICS and EXEGESIS in your pocket if we can't see the result in our neighborhood!

SopaterOfBeroea:
Bible Scholars my foot Just ask any of them what is HERMENEUTICS and EXEGESIS? Them go just dey look you

its good to praise them because when you praise them they swell up & continue displaying their naivity.