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Buda pardon me for using the word believe, but can it be justified to be truth that someone or the others you sighted were truly born by immaculate conception?

What is the justifiable evidence to agree to this notion or you don't agree this is possible?

And yes, I should admit, I have a supernatural Teacher just like some had the opportunity to witness Jesus, Odyssey, Buddha etc, I must confess I have witnessed the Holy Spirit personified, yet, you shouldn't agree, but I want you to use your mind and heart to direct you accordingly

If you prefer, this is a site that contains his recondite wisdom
www.wordcenter.org if you want to hear directly from him

budaatum:
And with no evidence you choose to believe what your Principal, Leader Olumba Olumba Obu told you?


buda does not believe stories, Freeze. buda seeks to understand them.

There are many lists of people whose birth was supposedly immaculate and of a virgin here on Nairaland. Here is just one of such lists, but I'm certain someone will post others, though I feel you wouldn't believe their births were immaculate.

Freeze007:
Buda pardon me for using the word believe, but can it be justified to be truth that someone or the others you sighted were truly born by immaculate conception?

No, it can not be justified to be truth that someone or the others you sighted were truly born by immaculate conception!

First, they were not sighted. And to "be justified to be truth" requires evidence.

Freeze007:
What is the justifiable evidence to agree to this notion or you don't agree this is possible?

As a certain Jerry Maguire was made to say, "Show me the money", or at least show me evidence of at least one of the billions and billions of births that have ever actually happened being a virgin birth.

Freeze007:
If you prefer, this is a site that contains his recondite wisdom
www.wordcenter.org if you want to hear directly from him

Sorry, but no, I don't particularly want to hear from a person you merely believe, just as I would not listen to Jesus or Buddha if they had wanted me to believe instead of understand in order to question what it is they said or were written to have said.

Again thank you sir for provoking my thoughts to reason.

In the more than one billion humans on Earth, is it possible some women have children without conjugation? If you say so, if a woman claimed to be a virgin yet is pregnant, if she for example told you these what are the checks to ascertain truism?



quote author=budaatum post=117895057]
No, it can not be justified to be truth that someone or the others you sighted were truly born by immaculate conception!

First, they were not sighted. And to "be justified to be truth" requires evidence.


As a certain Jerry Maguire was made to say, "Show me the money", or at least show me evidence of at least one of the billions and billions of births that have ever actually happened being a virgin birth.


Sorry, but no, I don't particularly want to hear from a person you merely believe, just as I would not listen to Jesus or Buddha if they had wanted me to believe instead of understand in order to question what it is they said or were written to have said.[/quote]

Freeze007:
Again thank you sir for provoking my thoughts to reason.

In the more than one billion humans on Earth, is it possible some women have children without conjugation?

If by conjugation, you mean sex, as in the temporary union of two bacteria or unicellular organisms for the exchange of genetic material, then technically, yes.

I can after all collect your sperm and use a turkey baster to insert it into a woman and get her pregnant.

But if you mean without your's or anyone else's sperm and my turkey baster, then there is nothing to conjugate.

Freeze007:
If you say so, if a woman claimed to be a virgin yet is pregnant, if she for example told you these what are the checks to ascertain truism?

I can collect your sperm and insert it into a virgin woman without her being disvirgined. But we would have to agree that you and I were involved in getting her pregnant since she can not get pregnant without your sperm and my turkey baster.

I have included an image of my turkey baster in case you don't know what it is.

Sir I am saying without any of the mentioned...I mean actually getting pregnant without getting my sperm to insert or any other but just miraculously pregnant..

In the stance that you find one which I hope you do, how will prove this to be right?

budaatum:
If by conjugation, you mean sex, as in the temporary union of two bacteria or unicellular organisms for the exchange of genetic material, then technically, yes.

I can after all collect your sperm and use a turkey baster to insert it into a woman and get her pregnant.

But if you mean without your's or anyone else's sperm and my turkey baster, then there is nothing to conjugate.


I can collect your sperm and insert it into a virgin woman without her being disvirgined. But we would have to agree that you and I were involved in getting her pregnant since she can not get pregnant without your sperm and my turkey baster.

I have included an image of my turkey baster in case you don't know what it is.

Freeze007:
Sir I am saying without any of the mentioned...I mean actually getting pregnant without getting my sperm to insert or any other but just miraculously pregnant..

In the stance that you find one which I hope you do, how will prove this to be right?

I have not found one. Have you?

I've heard of a woman giving births to rabbits though.

budaatum:
You all must have not heard of Mary Toft who gave birth to rabbits!

In September, 1726 Mary Toft began to give birth to rabbits. The local surgeon, John Howard, responded to her family's summons and hurried to Mary's house where, to his amazement, he helped her deliver nine of the animals. They were all born dead, and they were actually rabbit parts rather than whole rabbits. Nevertheless, this didn't lessen the amazing fact that she was giving birth to them.

John Howard excitedly wrote to other men of science around the country, urging them to help him investigate this bizarre phenomenon. Soon two prominent men, sent by the King himself, arrived to investigate: Nathanael St. Andre, surgeon-anatomist to the King, and Samuel Molyneux, secretary to the Prince of Wales. Mary explained to these men that she had recently miscarried, but that during the pregnancy she had intensely craved rabbit meat. After unsuccessfully attempting to chase down several rabbits, she had dreamt that there were rabbits in her lap. The next thing she knew, she was giving birth to rabbits.

In the presence of the doctors, Mary continued to give birth to even more rabbits. The men performed tests to verify the reality of the phenomenon. For instance, they placed a piece of the lung of one of the rabbits in water and noted that it floated. This meant that the rabbit must have breathed air before its death, which could not have happened inside a womb. Amazingly, the doctors ignored this evidence and decided that there was no deception involved—that Mary really was giving birth to the rabbits.

The Rabbit Babies of Mary Toft

They teach about her in UK schools. I have always said that the level of reasoning of some is stuck way back in the past!

Sir I want to appreciate this piece of information, since I was not there and it happened I can't explain how even though I am keeping an open mind.

Like I said, I know about Bassey Olumba Olumba Obu and Ibum Olumba Olumba Obu both came to being, by Leader Olumba Olumba Obu blessing water and giving to the mother which I am sure miraculously created foetuses....Now, can this be scientifically proven I don't know today maybe in the future.

That is why I believe that if there is an Omnipotent being he can make this possible which is seen in Leader Olumba Olumba Obu.
Do you agree that it is possible to cause a woman to become pregnant only by giving her water with no intercourse? Do you believe in miracles?

budaatum:
I have not found one. Have you?

I've heard of a woman giving births to rabbits though.

Freeze007:
Sir I want to appreciate this piece of information, since I was not there and it happened I can't explain how even though I am keeping an open mind.

Like I said, I know about Bassey Olumba Olumba Obu and Ibum Olumba Olumba Obu both came to being, by Leader Olumba Olumba Obu blessing water and giving to the mother which I am sure miraculously created foetuses....Now, can this be scientifically proven I don't know today maybe in the future.

Definition. (Very layman!)

Scientifically Prove, is to use one's own senses (heart and soul and mind and being) to ask and knock and seek in order to verify.

Now, please answer the question in bold above.

Freeze007:
Do you agree that it is possible to cause a woman to become pregnant only by giving her water with no intercourse?

No, I do not agree "that it is possible to cause a woman to become pregnant only by giving her water with no intercourse", because there is no evidence whatsoever that I have come across to suggest "that it is possible to cause a woman to become pregnant only by giving her water with no intercourse".

Freeze007:
Do you believe in miracles?

Definition

Miracle - an extraordinary and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore attributed to a divine agency.

It basically means, one does not know how an extraordinary and welcome event occured, so one ignorantly claims it is a miracle.

If one enquired with one's heart and soul and mind and being, the miracle may be understood or revealed for what it is.

Thank you so much Sir, well, since you have mentioned what the mind, heart etc should perceive to be truth, I was told that Leader Olumba Olumba Obu caused a miracle of that sort to happen which I believe.

Sir, you are something special, I liked how you capped the message that we sow what we reap, I feel like you are talking to me, still, I pray that all my wrongs can be done right with people like you around me rich with wisdom.

Also, I am aware God is not too deceived because I must reap whatever I have sown so that if I am sowing truth I must of necessity reap the joy that is associated with you with you being a witness.

Thank you Sir, but, by the way, what does your mind, heart perceive about the persona, Leader Olumba Olumba Obu in the name of truth or Good what is your mind telling you

budaatum:
Definition. (Very layman!)

Scientifically Prove, is to use one's own senses (heart and soul and mind and being) to ask and knock and seek in order to verify.

Now, please answer the question in bold above.


No, I do not agree "that it is possible to cause a woman to become pregnant only by giving her water with no intercourse", because there is no evidence whatsoever that I have come across to suggest "that it is possible to cause a woman to become pregnant only by giving her water with no intercourse".



Definition

Miracle - an extraordinary and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore attributed to a divine agency.

It basically means, one does not know how an extraordinary and welcome event occured, so one ignorantly claims it is a miracle.

If one enquired with one's heart and soul and mind and being, the miracle may be understood or revealed for what it is.

Freeze007:
Thank you so much Sir, well, since you have mentioned what the mind, heart etc should perceive to be truth, I was told that Leader Olumba Olumba Obu caused a miracle of that sort to happen which I believe.

You were told and you believed without checking if what you were told were true?

Freeze007:
Sir, you are something special, I liked how you capped the message that we sow what we reap, I feel like you are talking to me, still, I pray that all my wrongs can be done right with people like you around me rich with wisdom.

Sir, you are something special. Most don't question me like you are rightly doing.

Question your beliefs too, and you may understand and then become rich in wisdom.

Freeze007:
Also, I am aware God is not too deceived because I must reap whatever I have sown so that if I am sowing truth I must of necessity reap the joy that is associated with you with you being a witness.

You will only sow truth if you know what truth is. And you will only know what truth is if you become as a child, abandoning all your beliefs, and check all things with your own heart and soul and mind and being.

Freeze007:
Thank you Sir, but, by the way, what does your mind, heart perceive about the persona, Leader Olumba Olumba Obu in the name of truth or Good what is your mind telling you.

My mind tells me nothing about Olumba Olumba Obu, as I have not had the opportunity to know or converse with him. I do know he was famous in the 70s and 80s, like TB Joshua kind of famous.

I am concerned however, that you believe what you've been told he may or may not have done, without bothering to verify with your own senses. But that's your choice, I guess.

Magnoliaa: If the the Holy Spirit Himself can be referred to as a helper, then Eve being an help-meet to Adam is not a degrading thing.

https://www.nairaland.com/7881922/faith-pills#126625393

Not only help-meet, but his saviour from ignorance and slavery and also from whence he came.

Unless, rib, of course.

budaatum:
Not only help-meet, but his saviour from ignorance and slavery and also from whence he came.

Unless, rib, of course.

Possibly.

budaatum:
Not only help-meet, but his saviour from ignorance and slavery and also from whence he came.

Unless, rib, of course.

I wonder if 'helper' was used in the same context. It can't certainly be, given, that women were considered lesser than men.

Hold on, let me update my database.

okay, I'm back. I'm now beginning to wonder if translating the bible to English wasn't the biggest blunder of mankind.

here's what's up about the matter:

Like I suspect, the word 'helper' used in both instances are entirely different words in Hebrew. in Genesis 2:18, is ezer, which occurs twenty-one times in Old Testament, is infact used to reference God as a helper.
However, Eve, her duty as helper was to satisfy the "need" of the "man." To quench his cravings for some human affection, that is all. Not to help him with duties assigned to him by God.

Now, God-helper as used in the book of John. The word used there is Parakletos, and according to here:

Max Turner writes that it means “‘one called alongside,’ especially to offer counsel, support or assistance in a court, or in some other potentially adversarial setting.” And he adds that paraklētoi can act as “intercessors, mediators, or supporting witnesses.”

Turner concluded that:

The Holy Spirit stopped the disciples from being left alone as powerless orphans (John 14:18), and Eve stopped Adam from being alone, but I am reluctant to draw more similarities between the Holy Spirit and Eve and their respective descriptions as “helper,” especially as the words ezer and paraklētos have different senses.

https://margmowczko.com/holy-spirit-eve-helpers/

Database Update. Version 2:0

TskTsk..Tsk....

What I find interesting is that, originally, the Holy Spirit (spirit, breath, wind) in the Hebrew sense is Feminine. But, this attribute was lost when rauch was translated to neuter, which is grammatically Masculine.

okay.... Going back to review Database version 1.0

Given that the word Hebrew word ezer was used severally as an adverb---describing God as our helper, then, mango is right. "helper" is indeed not a derogatory term. As a matter of fact, it could be translated that the woman "is a help/strength who rescues or saves man."...

[URL = https://www.theologyofwork.org/key-topics/women-and-work-in-the-old-testament/god-created-woman-as-an-ezer-kind-of-helper-genesis-218/ ]reference[/url]

it makes sense, since, we know that "in his image, God made Adam(men and women)"

The issue is, which version of the creation story did the jews live by? The one where woman was made from adams rib, or the fone where both were created on the same day?

"God" Is A "Concept".

"God" Is A "Title" For Being "Good".


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