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FxMasterz:
Sorry, I don't talk to demons.

How did you conclude that I am a demon? Let me guess, you find my profound use of the very Words of Jesus Christ Himself in revealing the lies you spew too much to handle?

Jesus Christ said something interesting in His teachings which is that the Truth of God is revealed only those who belong to Him. That I am able to comprehend and directly apply this Truth against the many lies of men ought to tell you something amazing here... either Jesus Christ lied or I can't be a demon.

sonmvayina:
This is one way of looking at it..

The best explanation if you ask me...


Thanks

Stop reading people’s lie in the name of history
You have been on history for long and nothing come out…

HantaVirus:
Lol... America might be evil and sneaky but it can never be Babylon the Great.... Babylon is Jerusalem.....The greatest and oldest city in history... If Babylon was a nation,the bible will state that....

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Dtruthspeaker:
But we see that Rome has reigned it's own reign a long time ago and it moved to America, which has been reigning since.

So, you are not correct!

America is continuation of the Roman Empire
What changed?

Lukuluku69:
Dunce, did you read me mention the Quran?
Go back and read what I posted Sir Babbler

I just wonder what a Muslim like you is doing on a thread that talks about Babylon the Great which is written in the Bible book of Revelation and can't be found anywhere in your Qu'ran!

And to my amazement you're quoting me here again. Please why can't you just stop trailing me?
The last time you said once i mention Muslim or Islam you will quote me but i don't think i've done that now. So can you now see that you can't just mind your own business as you often say about churchgoers the first time i met you on this forum?

Lukuluku69:
True are your words. But Majority of Christians on Nairaland won't let Islam and Muhammad rest. In the process, I got to stand up and defend
what I believe in.

This is why i said you've not been consistent in what you're doing here!

Babylon the great is America
Una go just dey open mouth waaaaa
Bible believing Christians with absurd interpretation of scriptures.
Have you by chance heard anything of "HERMENEUTICS" I no you haven't, continue to let your Pastorpreneurs deceive you with nonsense interpretations

OgaNightmare:
Babylon the great is America
Una go just dey open mouth waaaaa
Bible believing Christians with absurd interpretation of scriptures.
Have you by chance heard anything of "HERMENEUTICS" I no you haven't, continue to let your Pastorpreneurs deceive you with nonsense interpretations

Funny enough this same people are members of the so called "Bible believing churches" apart from Jehovah's Witnesses i have not found just one person here who has confidently spoken about the topic and directed others to the source of his knowledge regarding the topic of discussion.

And you too only came to laugh at them instead of saying what you know about it but if it's to start criticizing the one and only mountain high above all (JW organization) you will have many things to say even quoting scriptures out of context.

Ọmọ say what your own PASTORS taught you nobody cares to know your pastor everyone knows only JWs are confident about our own teachers (Governing Body) all of you are ashamed to mention your teachers when matters like this arises the only thing you people do is deceiving yourselves with the riches and fame of those deceivers you patronize in the name of MOG!

Ifeelnumb:
America is continuation of the Roman Empire
What changed?

I do not understand. America is not under Roman authority.

OgaNightmare:
Babylon the great is America
Una go just dey open mouth waaaaa
Bible believing Christians with absurd interpretation of scriptures.
Have you by chance heard anything of "HERMENEUTICS" I no you haven't, continue to let your Pastorpreneurs deceive you with nonsense interpretations

You mean we should abandon our own ability to interpret the Bible, which is written in English to follow other men's own interpretation, which is a dem-say?

Did you read your textbooks using other people's interpretation? People dey o.

MaxInDHouse:
I just wonder what a Muslim like you is doing on a thread that talks about Babylon the Great which is written in the Bible book of Revelation and can't be found anywhere in your Qu'ran!

And to my amazement you're quoting me here again. Please why can't you just stop trailing me?
The last time you said once i mention Muslim or Islam you will quote me but i don't think i've done that now. So can you now see that you can't just mind your own business as you often say about churchgoers the first time i met you on this forum?



This is why i said you've not been consistent in what you're doing here!

Dunce, it is called Pay Back Time. I will mind my business when your Cousins, Nieces, Nephews, Uncle's, Aunties, Brothers and what have you mind thier businesses too.

Sebi you are behind that YabaLeft runaway some days ago when he was posting unfounded stuff about Islam?

I quoted you? Eyah but you quoted me too nah and I did not bleat they way you are doing now.

Besides this is a Public Forum not Kingdom Hall Forum, so I can say a thing or two.

Or are you afraid your Tortured interpretations and warped Doctrines will be exposed?

Dunce, Babylon and Babylonians were not followers of Yahweh nor were they Christians, so why are you talking about them too?

FxMasterz:
Why put mouth into a matter that does not concern you?

Yes, because of the role Babylon would play in the destruction of Jerusalem, God promised that He would destroy Babylon, and it would never be rebuilt. At the time of the Prophecy, Babylon had not yet destroyed Jerusalem. Also, it was the world power in those days.

“Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, who will not regard silver; and as for gold, they will not delight in it. Also their bows will dash the young men to pieces, and they will have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye will not spare children. And Babylon, the glory of the kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldeans’ pride, will be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. It will never be inhabited, nor will it be settled from generation to generation; nor will the Arabian pitch tents there, nor will the shepherds make their sheepfolds there” (Isaiah 13:17-20).

Today, it is destroyed as God pre-determined it. And it would never be rebuilt, just as pre-detetmined.

However, in the Book of Revelation, Babylon was used as a symbolism. There are two different Babylons mentioned in that book. One is a city, the other is an ungodly system.

The book of Revelation isn't written by a confused man as you may have been told.

John, the man who wrote that book was Jesus' closest disciple who wrote the Gospel of John. Luke mentioned him in Acts 3.

He was persecuted by the Roman government. After all attempts to kill him failed, they boiled him alive in a cardron of oil. He survived the boiling too. He was then banished to an island called Patmos, far away from any human civilizations. It was there He had the revelations he shared in that book.

The book of Revelation shared details about the past, present and future of the church of God in relation to world events. It also unveiled the Antichrist. The current microchip implant in human bodies being pushed by world powers were prophesied in that book.

He wrote it as a letter to seven Churches that existed at the time. Those churches fully understood the message, including the symbolisms. It is a precious book that foretold of successive Roman Emperors and their reigns. When you check Roman history, you would discover that the prophecies regarding the Roman Emperors were fulfilled, even to the Emperor who John saw ruling for only 5 days.

Oga Ade, I repeat the Book of Revelation was written by a confused man. It is not what I have been told but what my humble research says. If you will be patient I can show you

The writer of Revelation draw so much from the latter part of Book of Daniel.( Please read them and compare). He also draw more from the Apocrypha as well as other minor books you guys do not consider Canonical.

And before you go quoting irrelevant portion of the scripture to prove a point, the MEDES are not Babylonians but a Sub-group of the Persian Empire. So what you posted up there doesn't concern Babylon the great. Lol.

But one thing I must give you though is the fact that you rightly recognize that Babylon can be used as a Symbolism. If that is the case, the Symbolism of Babylon stare us all in the face. In your Trade, Culture, industry and many more

But the real Babylon is long dead. Killed by the Zoarastrian Persians

Maynman:
Rome is in europe, america is in north america.
How did rome move to america?, must one be an illiterate to be a Christian?

Bros, park your bike and read deluded comments. They never agree on anything the Bible says which is easy to explain.

Some of what is written are just copy and paste by the old scribes. According to Nairaland Christians Babylon the great is Rome, no it is America. Some say it is Jerusalem and more are still coming in.

They forgot that Babylon lay dead in the hot sand of Mesopotamia in Iraq but the Symbolism it represents still reside with Nations of the World.

Babylon Traded in Usury, they marvel and revel in gigantic edifices, they stole from surrounding Lands and crave for Babylon to the the Centre of everything for Mankind. They are a Nationalists to the core. These and many more is the System of things that Babylon bequeathed to the world.

But you will see Christians who are spiritually blind not to see all of this.

Lukuluku69:
The writer of Revelation draw so much from the latter part of Book of Daniel.( Please read them and compare). He also draw more from the Apocrypha as well as other minor books you guys do not consider Canonical.

What books in particular are those you refer to?

Kobojunkie:
What books in particular are those you refer to?

Baba you don find me come here. Ekabo Sir.

1. The Book of Daniel

2. The Book of Enock

3. The Zoroastrian Scripture.

Lukuluku69:
Baba you don find me come here. Ekabo Sir.
1. The Book of Daniel
2. The Book of Enock

3. The Zoroastrian Scripture.

1. The connections to prophecies of Daniel - reference to the beast, the great Babylon, surely, are understandable since much of what was predicted by Daniel did take place during the time of John and the apostles beginning in the 1st century AD.

2. Can you be a bit specific about what chapters of the book of Enoch were referenced?

3. Also, what parts of the Zoroastrian scripture, the Avesta, would this be that you claim is referenced in the book of Revelations?

Kobojunkie:
1. The connections to prophecies of Daniel - reference to the beast, the great Babylon, surely, are understandable since much of what was predicted by Daniel did take place during the time of John and the apostles beginning in the 1st century AD.

2. Can you be a bit specific about what chapters of the book of Enoch were referenced?

3. Also, what parts of the Zoroastrian scripture, the Avesta, would this be that you claim is referenced in the book of Revelations?

1. If I am not mistaken (I know I am not) between Daniel and Revelation, is a good 600-700 years between them. Whoever wrote the Book of Revelation quite understand the fact that the Book of Daniel talked about the end of things ( The Last two chapter). What Paul did was to play around the central theme and fashioned a scene or series of senarios to herald his own version of end of things.

The Beast that was alluded to in Daniels is no other than System of Govt that ruled without God's Law, which was what the Babylonian, Persian, Grecian and the Roman Empire did. That is why they are refered to as Beasts. As you can see, our friend, the writer of Revelation stepped up the beastly description by adding eyes, and heads!

Moreso, what Daniel saw couldn't have happened during Paul's time for Three of Daniels vision Beasts are still in power and he knows it. The early Christians can't do anything. To show you that the early Christians can't do anything, Peter in the Acts also alluded to a certain "son of man" who is to come as it was written in the book of Enoch.( I will referenced that if you wish)

Kobojunkie:
1. The connections to prophecies of Daniel - reference to the beast, the great Babylon, surely, are understandable since much of what was predicted by Daniel did take place during the time of John and the apostles beginning in the 1st century AD.

2. Can you be a bit specific about what chapters of the book of Enoch were referenced?

3. Also, what parts of the Zoroastrian scripture, the Avesta, would this be that you claim is referenced in the book of Revelations?

2. If you read the Book of Enoch, read the part where Nations were described with Animal characteristics and also the Allegory of the Weeks. I think 7 weeks.

This same theme is found in the Book of Enoch.

Kobojunkie:
1. The connections to prophecies of Daniel - reference to the beast, the great Babylon, surely, are understandable since much of what was predicted by Daniel did take place during the time of John and the apostles beginning in the 1st century AD.

2. Can you be a bit specific about what chapters of the book of Enoch were referenced?

3. Also, what parts of the Zoroastrian scripture, the Avesta, would this be that you claim is referenced in the book of Revelations?

3. The Rider on a white Horse was a Zoroastrian thing. In their Books, they have this notion that a Reformer of the Zoroastrian Faith is coming to redeem what was lost and restore the Original Faith as taught by their Prophet Zarathustra.

That's is why you will never find a Rider on a white horse from Genesis until Revelation!

To drive home this point, do you remember the Three Wise Men that visited Babe Jesus crib? They were looking for that Reformer. But they did not find it in a Baby.

Lukuluku69:
1. If I am not mistaken (I know I am not) between Daniel and Revelation, is a good 600-700 years between them. Whoever wrote the Book of Revelation quite understand the fact that the Book of Daniel talked about the end of things ( The Last two chapter). What Paul did was to play around the central theme and fashioned a scene or series of senarios to herald his own version of end of things.

2. The Beast that was alluded to in Daniels is no other than System of Govt that ruled without God's Law, which was what the Babylonian, Persian, Grecian and the Roman Empire did. That is why they are refered to as Beasts. As you can see, our friend, the writer of Revelation stepped up the beastly description by adding eyes, and heads!

3. Moreso, what Daniel saw couldn't have happened during Paul's time for Three of Daniels vision Beasts are still in power and he knows it. The early Christians can't do anything.

4. To show you that the early Christians can't do anything, Peter in the Acts also alluded to a certain "son of man" who is to come as it was written in the book of Enoch.( I will referenced that if you wish)

1. End of what things exactly do you assume that Daniel talked about? Can you be a tad more specific?

2. If you paid attention to that written of the Beasts in Daniel, the body parts were also indicated as representative of some idea of importance - eyes, horns, mouths, # of heads, so I am not certain why you think these unique to that expressed in the book of Revelations alone.

3. What 3 Beasts from Daniel are still in power to this day?

And what is it that you think the early Christians were supposed to have done about the 3 Beasts or whatever if is you said they could not do anything about?

4. Where exactly did Peter alluded to what you claim in the Book of Acts?

Lukuluku69:
2. If you read the Book of Enoch, read the part where Nations were described with Animal characteristics and also the Allegory of the Weeks. I think 7 weeks.

This same theme is found in the Book of Enoch.

Can you be a bit more specific abeg! Here's a link to the Book of Enoch. What sections should I consult?

Kobojunkie:
1. End of what things exactly do you assume that Daniel talked about? Can you be a tad more specific?

2. If you paid attention to that written of the Beasts in Daniel, the body parts were also indicated as representative of some idea of importance - eyes, horns, mouths, # of heads, so I am not certain why you think these unique to that expressed in the book of Revelations alone.

3. What 3 Beasts from Daniel are still in power to this day?

And what is it that you think the early Christians were supposed to have done about the 3 Beasts or whatever if is you said they could not do anything about?

4. Where exactly did Peter alluded to what you claim in the Book of Acts?

1. Read The last wto chapters of Daniel.

2. Horns represents Leaders/Kings. Mouth that spake great words represents blasphemy and blasphemous edicts and decrees of these horns eg the Nicene Creed.

3. The Three remaining Beast of Daniel are the Persian Empire, The Grecian Empire and the Roman Empire. These three Empires were still very much around when Paul penned these words. The early Christians were persecuted by All three. It is said that The Persians burnt Stephen, The Ten Persecution was of the Roman and the Greeks foisted their Culture and gods on the Christians.

4. So you are telling me that after all the years you have been reading the Bible, you have never come across where Peter or Jude alluded to the Book of Enoch?

Lukuluku69:
Dunce, it is called Pay Back Time. I will mind my business when your Cousins, Nieces, Nephews, Uncle's, Aunties, Brothers and what have you mind thier businesses too.
Sebi you are behind that YabaLeft runaway some days ago when he was posting unfounded stuff about Islam?
I quoted you? Eyah but you quoted me too nah and I did not bleat they way you are doing now.
Besides this is a Public Forum not Kingdom Hall Forum, so I can say a thing or two.
Or are you afraid your Tortured interpretations and warped Doctrines will be exposed?
Dunce, Babylon and Babylonians were not followers of Yahweh nor were they Christians, so why are you talking about them too?

Just want you to know that i'm doing what we agreed upon so you can continue if you're not a man of your own words!

Lukuluku69:
1. Read The last wto chapters of Daniel.

2. Horns represents Leaders/Kings. Mouth that spake great words represents blasphemy and blasphemous edicts and decrees of these horns eg the Nicene Creed.

3. The Three remaining Beast of Daniel are the Persian Empire, The Grecian Empire and the Roman Empire. These three Empires were still very much around when Paul penned these words. The early Christians were persecuted by All three. It is said that The Persians burnt Stephen, The Ten Persecution was of the Roman and the Greeks foisted their Culture and gods on the Christians.

4. So you are telling me that after all the years you have been reading the Bible, you have never come across where Peter or Jude alluded to the Book of Enoch?

1. What end do the last two chapters of Daniel hint at?

2. Well, those are your interpretations, right?

3. Where did you get these stories of yours from?

4. Your claim is that Peter alluded to the coming of a "son of man" in the book of Acts, and my question was where about in the Book of Acts is this to be found?

P.S. By the way, "son of man" is a reference to man of Adamic nature, descendants of Adam. If a particular "son of man" then there needs to be more to find out about him, right?

MaxInDHouse:
Just want you to know that i'm doing what we agreed upon so you can continue if you're not a man of your own words!

Lol.

You are permitted to run...

I can see that you have been busy reading old stuff.

Good. Keep busy.

As long as you and your cousins can knock on my Gate, walk my street with your megaphones, I will also chuk my mouth in Christian threads.

But you can decide not to respond.

Kobojunkie:
1. What end do the last two chapters of Daniel hint at?

2. Well, those are your interpretations, right?

3. Where did you get these stories of yours from?

4. Your claim is that Peter alluded to the coming of a "son of man" in the book of Acts, and my question was where about in the Book of Acts is this to be found?

P.S. By the way, "son of man" is a reference to man of Adamic nature, descendants of Adam. If a particular "son of man" then there needs to be more to find out about him, right?

You like going in a circle! Why? I don't know! Bit I suspect comprehension issue.

On your poser @ #4, are you serious you have never seen it before? That a Disciple of Jesus references the Book of Enoch long after Jesus left them?

Lukuluku69:
3. The Rider on a white Horse was a Zoroastrian thing. In their Books, they have this notion that a Reformer of the Zoroastrian Faith is coming to redeem what was lost and restore the Original Faith as taught by their Prophet Zarathustra.That's is why you will never find a Rider on a white horse from Genesis until Revelation!

2. To drive home this point, do you remember the Three Wise Men that visited Babe Jesus crib? They were looking for that Reformer. But they did not find it in a Baby.

3. So, because the rider is depicted as coming on a white horse, you automatically assume the vision to have Zoroastrian leanings, neglecting all that has been stated of the return of the King - Revelations 6 and Revelations 19 - to rule over the Nations at the time of the resurrection of the Jews? So a King of Kings is not allowed to ride into His Kingdom in white horses because it might be confused with Zoroastrian ideas or the horse itself confused with Tishtrya, the Persian god?

2. So, because of that reference to the Magis, we are to assume what of Jesus Christ then?

Kobojunkie:
3. So, because the rider is depicted as coming on a white horse, you automatically assume the vision to have Zoroastrian leanings, neglecting all that has been stated of the return of the King to rule over the Nations at the time of the resurrection of the Jews?

2. So, because of that reference to the Magis, we are to assume what of Jesus Christ then?

Comprehension issue again.

Follow my argument.

The Reference of a Rider on a white horse is found only in the Persian Scriptures and not once in Jewish Scriptures until Paul wrote that!

And the Persian Wise Men were satisfied after checking out Babe Jesus. He was not what they were looking for. They gave gifts and left.

Lukuluku69:
Lol.
You are permitted to run...
I can see that you have been busy reading old stuff.
Good. Keep busy.
As long as you and your cousins can knock on my Gate, walk my street with your megaphones, I will also chuk my mouth in Christian threads.
But you can decide not to respond.

Nothing concerns me with whatever you're doing with your brothers in faith but quoting me when i never quoted nor mention Muslim or Islam is what baffles me about you.
The last time you said you will always quote me if i mention Islam or Muslim and here i never did so why quoting me?

Lukuluku69:
You like going in a circle! Why? I don't know! Bit I suspect comprehension issue.

On your poser @ #4, are you serious you have never seen it before? That a Disciple of Jesus references the Book of Enoch long after Jesus left them?

Circle? There are no circles there since you made the claims against the writer of the book of Revelation which we now see are not really factual but mostly based on your personal interpretation of that written.

As for my #4, again, I am not focused on the book of Enoch reference but on your claim regarding Peter suggesting the coming of a "Son of man" contained in the book of Acts. I wish for you to point out exactly where this reference is found so I can investigate it for myself is why.

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So far, we have been able to establish the following ....
a. It was not the writer of the book of Revelations who only added eyes, mouth, horns, wings, etc. to his description of the beasts.
b. Yes, the writer of the book of Revelations wrote of pretty much some of the same visions that were seen by Daniel since some of what was written took place during that time.
c. Your claim "The early Christians were persecuted by All three. It is said that The Persians burnt Stephen, The Ten Persecution was of the Roman and the Greeks foisted their Culture and gods on the Christian" is not scriptural.
... care to continue so we flesh out the details of your other claims against the book?

Lukuluku69:
1. Comprehension issue again. Follow my argument. The Reference of a Rider on a white horse is found only in the Persian Scriptures and not once in Jewish Scriptures until Paul wrote that!
2. And the Persian Wise Men were satisfied after checking out Babe Jesus. He was not what they were looking for. They gave gifts and left.

1. Paul wrote what?
2. They gave gifts and left means they were not satisfied? WOW!

Kobojunkie:
1. Paul wrote what?
2. They gave gifts and left means they were not satisfied? WOW!

Sometimes I feel like my Convo with you is with a Robot.

1. Yes Paul wrote Revelation

2. The Persian Wise Men gave gifts and left. From their Book, if you comprehend whatever you read therein ( that is If you read at all) they were looking for A Reformer of their Zoroastrian Faith. Some who would restore the faith to it's pristine state.

They were looking for a Man whose followers will upturn their Fire Temples, correct the falsehood their Faith has become. And yes, they did not see that in Babe Jesus. So, they gave gifts as was customary in Eastern culture and left.

By the way it was Jude who referenced Enock. Read Jude 1:14,15

Kobojunkie:
Circle? There are no circles there since you made the claims against the writer of the book of Revelation which we now see are not really factual but mostly based on your personal interpretation of that written.

As for my #4, again, I am not focused on the book of Enoch reference but on your claim regarding Peter suggesting the coming of a "Son of man" contained in the book of Acts. I wish for you to point out exactly where this reference is found so I can investigate it for myself is why.

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So far, we have been able to establish the following ....
a. It was not the writer of the book of Revelations who only added eyes, mouth, horns, wings, etc. to his description of the beasts.
b. Yes, the writer of the book of Revelations wrote of pretty much some of the same visions that were seen by Daniel since some of what was written took place during that time.
c. Your claim "The early Christians were persecuted by All three. It is said that The Persians burnt Stephen, The Ten Persecution was of the Roman and the Greeks foisted their Culture and gods on the Christian" is not scriptural.
... care to continue so we flesh out the details of your other claims against the book?

You seems not to know your history. The history of a Faith you hold so dare.

And I can understand, you have kept your nose only on what the Bible writers says and ignore what History itself teaches.

It is not my fault if you don't know what early Christians went thru at the and of the Persians, the Geeks and the Romans. I am not here to teach you that. If you can't find time to read up, that's non of my biz. Perhaps other Christians can come to you aid