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kingxsamz:
The point is the Christian god confused them on purpose because he knows what the end result will be. Even if they learned each other's languages, he would probably find more means to stop them, because stopping them was the main goal.
She's wrong any how you guys put it.

https://biblehub.com/genesis/11-7.htm

I see no place where the goal was to confuse them. What was confused was the language.

Even despite that, we have the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, if those sort of people had taken over, everyone would have suffered for a long time. You got it right the God knew the end result, and if He scattered them then it must mean the end result wouldn't have benefitted them (in the long run).

kingxsamz:
Was it right for the Christian god to send men to kill every child because men from the Amalekite kingdom have been causing havoc in Israel or to Israelites?

Yes

Namdio:
I don't think that's how that works

to stop having kind or friendly feelings for someone or caring about something

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/harden%20one's%20heart

Pharaoh never had kind feelings for the Israelites, if not he wouldn't have made them suffer in the first place, or ordered the killing of the Hebrew Males.

If we are considering the context, Pharaoh's heart was probably hardened towards Moses, as they had grown up together.

Since his heart was already hardened, there was no way that would have influenced his decisions in anyway

So why did he let them go since he had always hated them?

Namdio:
Yes

Maka why?

Namdio:
https://biblehub.com/genesis/11-7.htm

I see no place where the goal was to confuse them. What was confused was the language.

Even despite that, we have the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, if those sort of people had taken over, everyone would have suffered for a long time. You got it right the God knew the end result, and if He scattered them then it must mean the end result wouldn't have benefitted them (in the long run).

What happens when people don't understand each other? Confusion.

kingxsamz:
So why did he let them go since he had always hated them?

Because his hate for what was happening was stronger.

Don't forget he had to lose his first son before he changed his mind. At that point it wasn't something that was affecting the people, it was something that was affecting him as well.

Leaders have a propensity to ignore things that don't directly affect them as can be seen by ASUU strike.

kingxsamz:
Do you know Pharoah was remorseful and agreed he had sinned at that point but his heart was hardened by force. Any how you look at it, his decision was influenced.

We're you there to know Pharaoh was remorseful

kingxsamz:
Their decision was to live as one and he interfered by confusing them in order to break that bond, which worked.
You're just pretending not to know it at this point.

Don't you live with people who speak different languages?

kingxsamz:

Maka why?

It seems even in nonsense, there is still sense. I am officially changing my stance, you have helped me understand, so I say thank you.

In the framework of traditional right and wrong, yes it was wrong for God to ask the Israelites to kill all the Amalekites.

But my question is, in that point in time was it the best course of action?

Yes.

If they hadn't, it would have surely become a thorn in the side of Israel.

Sometimes the best course of action is not necessarily right.

Namdio:
It seems even in nonsense, there is still sense. I am officially changing my stance, you have helped me understand, so I say thank you.

In the framework of traditional right and wrong, yes it was wrong for God to ask the Israelites to kill all the Amalekites.

But my question is, in that point in time was it the best course of action?

Yes.

If they hadn't, it would have surely become a thorn in the side of Israel.

Sometimes the best course of action is not necessarily right.

It was wrong. That's what I wanted to see.
So the Christian god does wrong.

jasminer:
Don't you live with people who speak different languages?

I do and we all have alternatives to understand each other. If English doesn't work, Pidgin must work. So...

jasminer:
We're you there to know Pharaoh was remorseful

The Bible stated it, what are you talking about?
He asked for forgiveness and acknowledged that he had sinned.

kingxsamz:
I do and we all have alternatives to understand each other. If English doesn't work, Pidgin must work. So...

What about those japaing to Russia, Finland and Norway.

My point is that they could have still lived together and even learnt each other's languages.

kingxsamz:
The Bible stated it, what are you talking about?
He asked for forgiveness and acknowledged that he had sinned.

Please quote the chapter and verse

Namdio:
Because his hate for what was happening was stronger.

Don't forget he had to lose his first son before he changed his mind. At that point it wasn't something that was affecting the people, it was something that was affecting him as well.

Leaders have a propensity to ignore things that don't directly affect them as can be seen by ASUU strike.

Lol, didn't the other plagues affect him and his folks?

jasminer:
What about those japaing to Russia, Finland and Norway.

My point is that they could have still lived together and even learnt each other's languages.

Those going to foreign countries have more advantage of being helped to understand other people unlike a place where everyone who understood each other suddenly lost that ability.
Anyways, there's no need talking about this, it's been established that the Christian god interfers in man's decision.
Now back to my point of killing children.
Namdio already accepted that the Christian god was wrong for what he did. So I need to ask you the same question. He answered me well like I expected you to, but you're too scared. So can I ask you again?

kingxsamz:
The Bible stated it, what are you talking about?
He asked for forgiveness and acknowledged that he had sinned.

Show me where the bible stated it

jasminer:
Please quote the chapter and verse

Exodus 10:17

kingxsamz:
It was wrong. That's what I wanted to see.
So the Christian god does wrong.

What seems wrong but what is ultimately best.

What is wrong to some is not to others, but what is best is best.

If He only did what seemed right, Christians won't suffer at all. But that is not best, so we suffer so we can be better people.

kingxsamz:
Lol, didn't the other plagues affect him and his folks?

Isn't hunger affecting Nigerian politicians?
Something could be happening in a country but the leaders remain unaffected.

kingxsamz:
Those going to foreign countries have more advantage of being helped to understand other people unlike a place where everyone who understood each other suddenly lost that ability.
Anyways, there's no need talking about this, it's been established that the Christian god interfers in man's decision.
Now back to my point of killing children.
Namdio already accepted that the Christian god was wrong for what he did. So I need to ask you the same question. He answered me well like I expected you to, but you're too scared. So can I ask you again?

Nobody forced them to scatter. They could still have stuck together. But don't worry... Argument here is weak... Back to your "forte"

Namdio:
What seems wrong but what is ultimately best.

What is wrong to some is not to others, but what is best is best.

If He only did what seemed right, Christians won't suffer at all. But that is not best, so we suffer so we can be better people.

Whichever way, the Christian god did wrong.
And one who does wrong is not perfect. A perfect being can do no wrong.

kingxsamz:
Namdio already accepted that the Christian god was wrong for what he did. So I need to ask you the same question. He answered me well like I expected you to, but you're too scared. So can I ask you again?

Or rather, I meant the act of killing children is wrong, but can be necessary.

In that case God wasn't wrong to ask the Children of Israel to do so. It was the best course of action.

kingxsamz:
Exodus 10:17

Exodus ch 10 vs 17-19
Now therefore forgive, I pray thee, my sin only this once, and intreat the LORD your God, that he may take away from me this death only.
And he went out from Pharaoh, and intreated the LORD.
And the LORD turned a mighty strong west wind, which took away the locusts, and cast them into the Red sea; there remained not one locust in all the coasts of Egypt.

When he repented, the plague was lifted. After that, did Pharaoh let the Israelites go?

Namdio:
Or rather, I meant the act of killing children is wrong, but can be necessary.

In that case God wasn't wrong to ask the Children of Israel to do so. It was the best course of action.

@bolded is the only thing that matters. Every other thing is not necessary.

kingxsamz:
Whichever way, the Christian god did wrong.
And one who does wrong is not perfect. A perfect being can do no wrong.

A perfect being does no wrong, in the sense that all his actions lead to the best possible outcome.

Some people think disciplining a child is wrong, but it is required for the child to be the best they can be so a perfect being would discipline

kingxsamz:
@bolded is the only thing that matters. Every other thing is not necessary.

But now you are taking what I said out of context and running with it.

Life is not all black and white, what is wrong in an instance is right in another.

Wearing clothes is right.

But wearing clothes to bath is wrong.

You can't just say you want to go around naked because wearing clothes in the bath is wrong.

Namdio:
In that case God wasn't wrong to ask the Children of Israel to do so. It was the best course of action.

Namdio:
In the framework of traditional right and wrong, yes it was wrong for God to ask the Israelites to kill all the Amalekites.

So he's right and he's wrong?

Namdio:
Isn't hunger affecting Nigerian politicians?

Something could be happening in a country but the leaders remain unaffected.

You said it affected him that's why he changed, meanwhile all the plagues have been affecting him. You have no point.

kingxsamz:
Namdio already accepted that the Christian god was wrong for what he did. So I need to ask you the same question. He answered me well like I expected you to, but you're too scared. So can I ask you again?

Off point, but, how do you know that the reply I gave is a good reply?

jasminer:
Exodus ch 10 vs 17-19
Now therefore forgive, I pray thee, my sin only this once, and intreat the LORD your God, that he may take away from me this death only.
And he went out from Pharaoh, and intreated the LORD.
And the LORD turned a mighty strong west wind, which took away the locusts, and cast them into the Red sea; there remained not one locust in all the coasts of Egypt.

When he repented, the plague was lifted. After that, did Pharaoh let the Israelites go?

Oh well,
The next verse clearly shows he was forced so as to prevent him from letting them go.

kingxsamz:
So he's right and he's wrong?

I have already clarified my stance. I admit I made a mistake in my wording, I have come to better understanding now.

Namdio: Or rather, I meant the act of killing children is wrong, but can be necessary.
In that case God wasn't wrong to ask the Children of Israel to do so. It was the best course of action.

I need not do more