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Sixfiguresmart:
In how many ahruf was teh quran revealed?

An Arabic Qur'an" (12:2) and "in clear Arabic language" (26:195)

4699. It is related that Anas ibn Malik said, "'Uthman commanded Zayd ibn Thabit, Sa'id ibn al-'As, 'Abdullah ibn az-Zubayr, and 'Abdu'r-Rahman ibn al-Harith ibn Hisham to write out copies of the Qur'an. He told them, "When you and Zayd ibn Thabit disagree about the Arabic of the Qur'an, you should write it in the language of Quraysh. The Qur'an was revealed in their tongue.' They did that." (Aisha Bewley, The Sahih Collection of Al-Bukhari, Chapter 69. Book of the Virtues of the Qur'an; underline emphasis ours)

The Qur'an is in clear Arabic language yet they can't do Islam without thousands of hadiths and Tafsirs to explain the Qur'an. Is that not a contradiction?

Wakanda 5:5— as bitter as bitter leaf, your life will be much more bitter, you’ll have no reason to LAUGH, your live will be full of sorrow and agony.

johnw47:
^^ very clearly satanic verses

Very clearly a jewish slave to Israelite god, yahweh.

TenQ:
The Qur'an is in clear Arabic language yet they can't do Islam without thousands of hadiths and Tafsirs to explain the Qur'an. Is that not a contradiction?

it is full of lies. concocted by a woman. see the bait and switch game islam is.
You were asking who arranged the quran. Here is the answer.

4707. It is related that Yusuf ibn Mahik said, "I was with 'A'isha, the Umm al-Mu'minin, when an Iraqi came and said, 'What kind of shroud is best?' She said, 'Bother you! How will it harm you?' He said, 'Umm al-Mu'minin, show me your copy of the Qur'an.' 'Why?' she asked. He said, 'In order that I might arrange the Qur'an according to it. It is recited out of its proper order.' 'A'isha said, 'What harm will there be to you whichever part you read first? The first to be revealed was a sura of the Mufassal in which the Garden and the Fire is mentioned.* When many people joined Islam, then the halal and haram were revealed. If the first thing to be revealed had been, 'Do not drink wine,' people would have said, 'We will never give up wine.' If it had been revealed. 'Do not fornicate,' they would have said, 'We will never give up fornication.' When I was still a young girl who played, it was revealed to Muhammad in Makka, "In fact the Hour is their promised appointment and the Hour is more disastrous and bitter!" (54:46) Surat al-Baqara (2) and Surat an-Nisa' (4) were revealed while I was with him.' Then she produced the copy of the Qur'an for him and dictated to him the order of the suras."

LegalWolf:
Quite a lot of formatting here but just discovered that what I want to say here would be used in my argument in proving you are a liar. If I don't make use of any of those points when making my argument, then I will come back to respond to what I intend to use but I did not use. Same applies to your part 4. So I won't quote you on part 4 so you don't have too many mentions from me which at the end of the day, muddle up the whole point.

Let's wait for what our spectator has to say, pretty boy . It's 10:30 and I need to get to work on my brief writing. See you later pretty boy. Cheers to sixfiguresmart as well and may we have a good and prosperous day tomorrow!

hahaha you are hoarding your words now. You come to see that the deeper you go the tighter the noose gets.

Antichristian came out yesterday vomitted trash out of his mouth and got himself into a deep well full of menstruation pads and contaminated with dead bodies of dogs just what mohammed drank. I got him exposed and he disappeared just like the first time hahahaha.

That man was boasting that allah is ahad hahahahahaha
I showed him how lost in islam he is. As soon as he saw it, the man disappeared from nairaland.

I wonder where he is now. Must be hiding in shame.

I see that you are beginning to feel the strain. Tenq has loaded your spine and you can now barely stand. Your last defense now is to befriend him to tone down the barrage of bombs the man is piling on you. I love the way he recalls you to the previous questions that you evaded.

In a nutshell, bro legalwolf. You are still our bro. We love you and we do this with love. No one hates you here and this is not an attack on you, personally. We hope that you see it from that standpoint. It is a move to expose an ideology. We know that many of the things that we reveal here are new to you. The reason why we go in-depth is because of the pushback that we get from you. We want you to see your religion for what it is. We hate that you guys are being deceived by some Arab scholars. We are presenting our arguments in peace. This is the real peace. No one is physically hating or hitting.

We good! But, regardless of how difficult the answers that you will provide may be, feel okay to provide the clear logical answers to the questions. We love you all the same and respect you. If you would want to go anonymous, do!

Everyone is a liar, bro. You are a lawyer and lawyers are liars. Ain't it? I didn't lie but I built my case based on the evidence presented. If you say that it wasn't intellectually correct, I can agree with you, your honor. But to call it a lie when my case involves conflicting islamic texts would be intellectually dishonest of you.

But, let me ask you. Before Adam was created, were there other people here on earth

LegalWolf:
BUT YOU ARE A LIAR SIXFIGURESMART! YHWH BEARS ME WITNESS THAT YOU ARE A LIAR WHO HAS LIED IN OUR CONVERSATION. SO WHY SHOULD I ENGAGE A LIAR?

I HAVE PROOF WHICH I KEEP MAKING REFERENCE TO. CAN YOU REBUT THE PROOF?

LegalWolf:
Sixfiguresmart, I claimed that you are a shameless liar. I gave evidence that you are a liar not worthy to be engaged. You have not rebutted the evidence or claim that you are liar. Here you are still making other claims. Your reputation is in the gutters Sixfiguresmart and you need to clear that first before any reasonable man would engage you further. Don't you think?

Your claim is dismissed in court. On the basis of progressive talks, let me assume the role of a liar, even though we all are.

Nevertheless, I am a liar in this scenario and I would love to redeem my image. I walked up to you and tell you that that I had previously told someone that Mohammed died at 63 years of age. Now, I got busted with another hadith claiming that he died at 65 years of age. What age would you provide to enable me redeem my reputation?

Your hadith says that Al Tabarani is a contemporary of the other contemporaries of your prophet. I am a neutral man. How can I know when the proof is saying otherwise? So, the eyewitnesses who recounted the hadith to Al Tabarani lived over 100 years before they died? I do not understand too. Your hadith provided the lead. If it sounds outrageous to you, it does to me too. So, we can both agree that the source is wrong. Cos how Al Tabarani met those recounters is illogical to me giving the space in age. the only logical explanation that I can give is what the quran gave about Moses meeting Adam, Abraham, and Pharaoh.

How is it possible for timelines in islam to overlap without control and none of you question them? It is not my fault.

Here is the question. Was the quran handed down in pages or tablets?

LegalWolf:
Mr man, but you lied that:
- Tabarani was a contemporary of the prophet. Did you not? If he is, where is your evidence?
- You technically admitted that you lied that Al-Haythami was a contemporary of the prophet. Did you not? I say you technically admitted because you said 'I said what I said' after pressing your neck for evidence for your assertion
- If I have shown that you are a shameless liar who lies to win an argument, can you give me a solid logical reason why I should engage you?

Maynman:
Very clearly a jewish slave to Israelite god, yahweh.

most dum one, u can't even think for yourself, u have to repeat similar to what i say every time,
but such is a dummy, u turning my truth into your lies, of course:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Wakanda 5:5— as bitter as bitter leaf, your life will be much more bitter, you’ll have no reason to LAUGH, your live will be full of sorrow and agony.


Damnation and Sorrow lover, all you got are forged and plagiarised books used by damned slaves

johnw47:
most dum one, u can't even think for yourself, u have to repeat similar to what i say every time,
but such is a dummy, u turning my truth into your lies, of course:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Most worthless jewish slave, you can’t think for yourself, your life is so miserable you are basing your life on random books with UNKNOWN AUTHORS

Ass 1:12: for there are many Murderers and Rapist. Their father and his imbecil.e HOLY SPIRT are empty barrels and nonentities and all together they are deranged homophiles.

Legbegbe 6:66—It shall not be well with Yahweh worshippers, including their deranged son of man and ESPECIALLY their imbecil.e HOLY SPIRIT, nothing good shall come their way.

Maynman:
Most worthless jewish slave, you can’t think for yourself, your life is so miserable you are basing your life on random books with UNKNOWN AUTHORS
Damnation and Sorrow lover, all you got are forged and plagiarised books used by damned slaves

Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool

Maynman: Wakanda 5:5— as bitter as bitter leaf, your life will be much more bitter, you’ll have no reason to LAUGH, your live will be full of sorrow and agony.
Ass 1:12: for there are many Murderers and Rapist. Their father and his imbecil.e HOLY SPIRT are empty barrels and nonentities and all together they are deranged homophiles.
Legbegbe 6:66—It shall not be well with Yahweh worshippers, including their deranged son of man and ESPECIALLY their imbecil.e HOLY SPIRIT, nothing good shall come their way.

^^ very clearly satanic verses

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.

Rev_20:15  And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire

Wakanda 5:5— as bitter as bitter leaf, your life will be much more bitter, you’ll have no reason to LAUGH, your live will be full of sorrow and agony.

johnw47:
Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool



^^ very clearly satanic verses

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.

Rev_20:15  And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire

Most worthless jewish slave


Ass 1:12: for there are many Murderers and Rapist. Their father and his imbecil.e HOLY SPIRT are empty barrels [/b]and nonentities and [b]all together they are deranged homophiles.
Legbegbe 6:66—It shall not be well with Yahweh worshippers, including their deranged son of man and ESPECIALLY their imbecil.e HOLY SPIRIT, nothing good shall come their way.

Lam_3:25  The LORD is good to those who wait for Him, To the person who seeks Him

Legbegbe 4:19–20– Your lord is Satan, a Rapist and a Murderer, he’s long dead and useless and only found in jewish Fictions.
Your father, satan is a Liar, The only thing worse than a liar is a liar that's also a hypocrite and it’s lies that killed him and soon his brainwashed followers!

Maynman:
Legbegbe 4:19–20– Your lord is Satan, a Rapist and a Murderer, he’s long dead and useless and only found in jewish Fictions.
Your father, satan is a Liar, The only thing worse than a liar is a liar that's also a hypocrite and it’s lies that killed him and soon his brainwashed followers!

poor scared evil one, you post to me but are to fearful to mention me:

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

johnw47:
poor scared evil one, you post to me but are to fearful to mention me:

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

Dejected unfortunate slave, jannyboy son of a smelling momma, “didn’t you also post to me” but you are too timid and good for nothing to mention me.

Legbegbe 6:66—It shall not be well with Yahweh worshippers, including their deranged son of man and ESPECIALLY their imbecil.e HOLY SPIRIT, nothing good shall come their way.
Your father, satan is a Liar, The only thing worse than a liar is a liar that's also a hypocrite and it’s lies that killed him and soon his brainwashed followers!

Maynman:
Dejected unfortunate slave, didn’t you also post to me but you are too timid to mention me.

Legbegbe 6:66—It shall not be well with Yahweh worshippers, including their deranged son of man and ESPECIALLY their imbecil.e HOLY SPIRIT, nothing good shall come their way.

oh duh most dum one, my praising the Lord is not for you, so funny, so dum

Mat_12:32  "Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Wakanda 5:5— as bitter as bitter leaf, your life will be much more bitter, you’ll have no reason to LAUGH, your live will be full of sorrow and agony.

johnw47:
oh duh most dum one, my praising the Lord is not for you, so funny, so dum

Mat_12:32  "Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Jewish slave, I’m quoting my own holy bible how does that affect you and your smelling momma?

Ass 1:12: for there are many Murderers and Rapist. Their father and his imbecil.e HOLY SPIRT are empty barrels and nonentities and all together they are deranged homophiles.

Jer_33 Give thanks to the LORD of hosts, For the LORD is good, For His lovingkindness is everlasting

Wakanda 5:4— because they are basing their miserable lifes on random books with UNKNOWN AUTHORS they and their family will be unfortunate till DEATH!

^^ such a nancy boy

Such a worthless jewish slave

Gen_1:2  The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters

Jewish slave quoting his masters books

Wakanda 5:4— because they are basing their miserable lifes on random books with UNKNOWN AUTHORS they and their family will be unfortunate till DEATH!

Rom_8:14  For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God

Ass 1:12: for there are many Murderers and Rapist. Their father and his imbecil.e HOLY SPIRT are empty barrels and nonentities and all together they are deranged homophiles.

Maynman:
Ass 1:12: for there are many Murderers and Rapist. Their father and his imbecil.e HOLY SPIRT are empty barrels and nonentities and all together they are deranged homophiles.

dum dum apparently your book only has about 4 verses

Mat_12:32  "Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

johnw47:
dum dum apparently your book only has about 4 verses

Mat_12:32  "Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

And is that affecting you and your smelling momma?


Surely, it’s a only an UNFORTUNATE JEWISH SLAVE that will blaspheme against me the owner of your father life which i can take anytime.


Legbegbe 6:66—It shall not be well with Yahweh worshippers, including their deranged son of man and ESPECIALLY their imbecil.e HOLY SPIRIT, nothing good shall come their way.

Maynman:
And is that affecting you and your smelling momma?
Surely, it’s a only an UNFORTUNATE JEWISH SLAVE that will blaspheme against me the owner of your father life which i can take anytime.

insaneo as can be

Maynman: Legbegbe 6:66—It shall not be well with Yahweh worshippers, including their deranged son of man and ESPECIALLY their imbecil.e HOLY SPIRIT, nothing good shall come their way.

Mar_3:29  but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin


see you later oh most dum mad one

johnw47:
insaneo as can be



Mar_3:29  but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin


see you later oh most dum mad one

Worthless jewish slave and his smelling momma.

Legbegbe 6:66—It shall not be well with Yahweh worshippers, including their deranged son of man and ESPECIALLY their imbecil.e HOLY SPIRIT, nothing good shall come their way.

Go and worship your jewish god, mentally ill illiterate like your FATHER!

Sixfiguresmart:
it is full of lies. concocted by a woman. see the bait and switch game islam is.
You were asking who arranged the quran. Here is the answer.

4707. It is related that Yusuf ibn Mahik said, "I was with 'A'isha, the Umm al-Mu'minin, when an Iraqi came and said, 'What kind of shroud is best?' She said, 'Bother you! How will it harm you?' He said, 'Umm al-Mu'minin, show me your copy of the Qur'an.' 'Why?' she asked. He said, 'In order that I might arrange the Qur'an according to it. It is recited out of its proper order.' 'A'isha said, 'What harm will there be to you whichever part you read first? The first to be revealed was a sura of the Mufassal in which the Garden and the Fire is mentioned.* When many people joined Islam, then the halal and haram were revealed. If the first thing to be revealed had been, 'Do not drink wine,' people would have said, 'We will never give up wine.' If it had been revealed. 'Do not fornicate,' they would have said, 'We will never give up fornication.' When I was still a young girl who played, it was revealed to Muhammad in Makka, "In fact the Hour is their promised appointment and the Hour is more disastrous and bitter!" (54:46) Surat al-Baqara (2) and Surat an-Nisa' (4) were revealed while I was with him.' Then she produced the copy of the Qur'an for him and dictated to him the order of the suras."

They will still say the Qur'an is unchanged and perfectly preserved up to the diacritical marks!

TenQ:
They will still say the Qur'an is unchanged and perfectly preserved up to the diacritical marks!

It's absurd. They are beginning to drop that claim. It no longer flies. Thanke to expository works like ours. I was shocked when Hakeem told me that the quran and hadiths were written by men. On top of that, they are fallible. That was brave a thing to say from him though. It was huge. For him to bring his guts to reckon that there are contents of fallibility in both the quran and the hadiths! Wow. That alone was rich to me.

Sixfiguresmart:
It's absurd. They are beginning to drop that claim. It no longer flies. Thanke to expository works like ours. I was shocked when Hakeem told me that the quran and hadiths were written by men. On top of that, they are fallible. That was brave a thing to say from him though. It was huge. For him to bring his guts to reckon that there are contents of fallibility in both the quran and the hadiths! Wow. That alone was rich to me.

Only their apologists are getting the truth about the multiple versions of the Arabic Qurans. The vast majority of Muslims are still glued to their flawed standard narrative.

If you can get Hakeem's quote for me, I will appreciate.