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| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by Steep(m): 10:13pm On Oct 30, 2022 |
The book of revelation from chapter 5 to 19 is about the remaining one week of Daniel's prophecy. This prophecy is for the jews, Daniel's people. Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Daniel 10:14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days. Basically, the seven years tribulation is for Daniel's people who the jews not the church. |
| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by OkCornel(m): 10:29pm On Oct 30, 2022 |
CaptMarvel:Who were the ones left behind in the days of Noah? Who were the ones taken away? Would the coming of the son of man be like the days of Noah as Jesus mentioned? Yes or No |
| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by CaptMarvel(m): 10:41pm On Oct 30, 2022*. Modified: 11:17pm On Oct 30, 2022 |
OkCornel:I already analysed this with my analogy to jokerman. To reiterate, the left behind are those that didn't listen to the warning of Noah and were taking in the destruction from the flood. Noah and his family were the ones taken away in the boat of salvation, whom while floating over the flood(Raptured), the flood couldn't destroy them. As it is in the days of Noah, so it will be in the days of the Son of Man, they were eating and drinking, marrying and given in marriage (and didn't give heed to Noah's warning) till the flood came and took them all (destroy them all). Luke 17:26-27. They were left behind for the flood to destroy and take them all Away in death. |
| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by OkCornel(m): 11:45pm On Oct 30, 2022 |
CaptMarvel:I really don’t care about your analogy. What matters here are the words of Christ. Who were the ones “TAKEN AWAY” by the flood? Who were the ones left behind? |
| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by OkCornel(m): 11:47pm On Oct 30, 2022 |
Steep:Matthew 24 v 21-22 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Does this look like an Israel only issue to you? |
| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by OkCornel(m): 12:10am On Oct 31, 2022 |
Steep:1 Thessalonians 5 v 9 refers to the wrath of God. Believers will not suffer the wrath of God. The great tribulation is the wrath of Satan. Which believers would suffer. Revelation 12 v 12; 12 Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.” To further prove to you that you’ve misunderstood 1 Thessalonians 5 v 9, why did the church back then undergo persecution if according to your understanding of what wrath is…they are not appointed to suffer it? Why was one of the two faithful churches (the Smyrna church) in the book of Revelation encouraged by Christ to suffer persecution for his sake? Did God appoint them to wrath? ![]() Steep:Dear God, Isaiah 60 prophecy has nothing to do with pretribulation rapture. Read the entire chapter and juxtapose it with Revelation 20 v 5-6. This is a millennial reign prophecy, which is post trib by the way. Steep:Why did you stop at Revelation 7 v 9? See Revelation 7 v 14 which explains who the great multitude are; 14 I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. These great multitudes are those who were killed in the GREAT TRIBULATION. They did not escape it. Can you show me the chapter and verse where John saw believers in heaven that escaped the great tribulation through rapture? Steep:Removed where, when and how? Steep:Dude, the trigger that kicks off the final week of Daniel’s prophecy is the covenant the lawless one will have with many for 7 years. Not a fictitious pretribulation rapture. Daniel 9 v 27; He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.” Furthermore, Matthew 24 v 21-22 makes it absolutely clear the great tribulation is a global event, not just an Israel only event. The time of Jacob’s trouble is a subset of the great tribulation. Read Revelation 13. The dragon chases the woman to destroy her. God protects the woman. Out of anger & frustration, the dragon goes to make war with the rest of her offsprings (those who hold onto the testimony of Jesus and the commandments of God). Shows you the time of Jacob’s trouble sparks off the great tribulation. If you study Matthew 24, you’ll see the same pattern. The abomination of desolation sparks off the time of Jacob’s trouble which then snowballs into the great tribulation all over the earth. |
| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by CaptMarvel(m): 8:57am On Oct 31, 2022 |
OkCornel:I believed I've answered that bro. |
| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by OkCornel(m): 9:19am On Oct 31, 2022 |
CaptMarvel:Nope. Who did Jesus say were the ones “taken away” by the flood? |
| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by CaptMarvel(m): 10:15am On Oct 31, 2022 |
OkCornel:I think you have a comprehension problem. You can make use of another version, or your native language version hopefully you may understand better. |
| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by OkCornel(m): 10:50am On Oct 31, 2022 |
CaptMarvel:Let’s see who really has the comprehension problem. Read the scripture below, then tell us who Jesus identified as those “TAKEN AWAY” by the flood in the days of Noah. I’d like to see who is struggling with basic and straightforward English here; Matthew 24 v 38 - 40; 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until THE FLOOD CAME AND "TOOK THEM" ALL AWAY. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will "BE TAKEN" and the other left. Cc: Jokerman, SeraphEl and others that understand basic English, kindly help CaptMarvel identify the people “taken away” by the flood in the days of Noah from what Jesus mentioned in the above scripture. |
| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by CaptMarvel(m): 11:06am On Oct 31, 2022 |
OkCornel:Lolz! ![]() "TOOK THEM ALL AWAY" "TAKEN AWAY" This is where your problem is, and I could be certain that's where your whole Post tribulation theory hinges on" Like I said earlier, you have comprehension problem, you failed to understand how the words were skillfully use and appropriated in the two different statements. Get a better version. |
| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by OkCornel(m): 11:08am On Oct 31, 2022 |
CaptMarvel:Dude, you are really embarrassing yourself. Perhaps I should bring in people who understand basic english on this thread to tutor you. 1. Who were the ones "TAKEN AWAY" by the flood in the days of Noah? 2. Jesus mentioned "LIKE THE DAYS OF NOAH", who are the ones that'll be taken away at the coming of the Son of man? Interesting to see how hard you'd want to lie against the words of Jesus ![]() How can the "sinners be taken away by the flood in the days of Noah", but it'll now be the "righteous that'll be taken away at the coming of the Son of Man"? How re-tarded can one get interpreting rubbish from straightforward and simple English? Who did this to you? |
| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by CaptMarvel(m): 11:29am On Oct 31, 2022 |
OkCornel:hahaha! Now you can see your foolishness. Is good you elaborate the bolded, because I won't do that for petty dimwit like u ![]() Now remove the English word "taken away" part and categorize who to stay in tribulation (flood) and who to be taken (saved) as regards the sinners and the righteous. Since "taken away" is your problem. Never knew a grown ass man can be such a mòrön ![]() |
| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by OkCornel(m): 11:56am On Oct 31, 2022*. Modified: 12:25pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
CaptMarvel:I wan laugh tire. Oponu master... Where did Jesus interpret the flood to be tribulation? All these lies you people insert in the scriptures to propagate false doctrines. Now read slowly; Matthew 24 v 38 - 40; 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until THE FLOOD CAME AND "TOOK THEM" ALL AWAY. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will "BE TAKEN" and the other left. IF THE FLOOD TOOK AWAY THE SINNERS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH, HOW CAN IT BE THE RIGHTEOUS THAT'LL BE TAKEN AWAY AT THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN?! BEARING IN MIND JESUS LIKENED HIS COMING TO THAT OF THE DAYS OF NOAH! WHO WERE THE ONES TAKEN IN THE DAYS OF NOAH, AND WHO ARE THE ONES TO BE TAKEN IN COMING OF THE SON OF MAN? Hint: AS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH |
| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by OkCornel(m): 12:02pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
Can anyone with a sane mind show CaptMarvel who Jesus clearly mentioned were the ones taken away in the days of Noah? Matthew 24 v 39 makes it obviously clear that even a nursery school pupil can tell who was taken away; Matthew 24 v 38 - 40; 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 AND THEY KNEW NOTHING ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN UNTIL THE FLOOD CAME AND "TOOK THEM" ALL AWAY. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will "BE TAKEN" and the other left. How can sinners be the ones taken away in the days of Noah, but it's now the righteous ones that'll be taken away at the coming of the Son of man? Bible carrying idiots full this forum walahi... This one is crystal clear English Cc: Jokerman |
| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by CaptMarvel(m): 12:39pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
OkCornel:Hahahahaha, omo, see how english scatter this boy life. I'm just laffing seriously here ![]() Anyway, since you are such a dunce. Let me help you out a little hahahaha ![]() Question 1 Where did Jesus interpret the flood to be tribulation? Luke 17:26-27 - THEY were Eating and Drinking, marrying and given in marriage, till Noah entered the Ark, AND THEY KNEW NOTHING ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN until THE FLOOD came and TOOK THEM AWAY... (Who are the people reffered to? the sinners or the righteous? Even a primary one pupil can discern to you that's it's The sinners TAKEN AWAY N0 1 solved. As it is in the days of Noah, so it will be in the days of the son of man. Luke 18:34-37 - I tell you two men will be sleeping on the bed, one will be taken the other will be left, Two women will be grinding together, one taken and the other left, two men will be in the field one taken and the other left..... Vs 37, and they answered and said to him to where Lord and he said unto them "wherever the body is there the eagles will be gathered" definitely thats no tribulation but a feast ![]() I hope you see where the disciples asked, "where are these people TAKEN AWAY to" So, for the son of man, those TAKEN AWAY, are taken to a feast. (These are the righteous) Those left behind, stay behind in the tribulation. (These are the sinners) Moreso, the tribulation is on the earth not in the sky lolz, and those left behind(NOT TAKEN) stay behind with the Antichrist.IF You don't understand this simple explanation, there's nothing again you can understand in your petty life hahahaha ![]() Hint: Go and read that part of Luke ![]() |
| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by OkCornel(m): 12:58pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
CaptMarvel:Jesus is Lord! This guy...your Oponu don enter PhD level. So according to you, the sinners were taken away in the days of Noah, but the righteous would be taken away at the coming of the Son of man? Yet it would be like in the days of Noah? This is so super-retarded. Can't you see the contradiction staring right in front of your eyes? Show me the book, chapter and verse where Jesus clearly mentioned the flood represents the great tribulation. Today, everyone will differentiate eisegesis (sneaking in your personal interpretation and passing them off as scriptures) from exegesis (letting the text self-interpret). You mean the same Jesus clearly told his followers the world would hate them and persecute them?! This is the most re-tarded interpretation I've come across. No apologies |
| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by OkCornel(m): 1:03pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
CaptMarvel:Wherever the body is, the eagles are gathered. Ogbeni, go and read this part of Revelation which explains what Jesus meant. These are the dead bodies from the Armageddon which the birds of the air will feast on. Moreover, in your Bible, Luke 18 is talking about end times abi? ![]() Revelation 19 v 17-18; 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small. Guy, you no sabi jack! |
| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by CaptMarvel(m): 1:17pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
OkCornel:hahahahahaha! Ewoooooo! Chimooooooo! ; D ![]() Es, ogbeni just go and sleep. ![]() I tell You that you have no idea of how the event will even played out. ![]() Okay let me whine you abit lolz, ![]() If those are the bodies of the Armageddon victims where will the Armageddon occur, in the earth or in the sky? who are those involve? ![]() Don't forget you said the sinners will be taken and the righteous left behind. Lolz |
| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by OkCornel(m): 1:23pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
CaptMarvel:Dear Lord, please help this guy's understanding. Just as how the sinners in the days of Noah were taken by the flood (the sinners were destroyed), the ones who rebel against Christ would be taken (be destroyed). That is what TAKEN means in this context. Guy, go and read, get the proper context and understanding. Were you thinking a spaceship will come and take away the rebellious ones? TAKEN in this context means DESTRUCTION! DEATH! SLAUGHTER! THE WRATH OF THE LAMB AND GOD UPON THE REBELLIOUS ONES ON THE DAY OF THE LORD! |
| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by OkCornel(m): 1:26pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
CaptMarvel just told us he's a vulture ;Matthew 24 v 28 - NIV; 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures (CaptMarvel) will gather. Cc: Jokerman Those that wait upon the Lord shall mount up with wings like eagles - Isaiah 40 v 31. But CaptMarvel has made it abundantly clear he's a vulture waiting to feast on dead stuff (unclean and abominable food) ![]() |
| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by CaptMarvel(m): 1:30pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
OkCornel:You are Greatly Mistaken bro. You have no understanding of the events to happen at all. Read my Lips, there's nothing like post tribulation rapture. what we have is the resurrection of the dead at the second coming of Christ and those believers whom are sealed and that will be graced to see His second coming whom will be changed at the twinkling of the eye and gathered up to Christ in the sky and then move to Jerusalem to start the millenia. I can't explain to you, cos you're slow of understanding, still stuck at simple English "Taken away" hahaha! ![]() From Rapture to Tribulation to Christ Second Coming. Hints: Daniel 12 ![]() |
| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by OkCornel(m): 1:44pm On Oct 31, 2022*. Modified: 2:00pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
CaptMarvel:Vulture, how far na? Where did Daniel mention anything about believers escaping the great tribulation? Where did Jesus liken the tribulation to a flood? Provide the book, chapter and verse. Where did Jesus mention He was coming for believers before the great tribulation? Book, Chapter and verse. Where did Apostle John see a vision of believers that escaped the great tribulation through a fictitious rapture in heaven? Provide the chapter and verse for that. |
| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by CaptMarvel(m): 4:13pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
OkCornel:how about this! hahahaOKcornel the Vulture ![]() You keep calling people like cry cry baby, you must have think Nairaland is as stupid as you are. You think the scripture is written in english lolz! Go and search again |
| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by CaptMarvel(m): 4:13pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
OkCornel:Answer my question first. The Armageddon where would it be fought, on the earth or in the sky ![]() Answer make I laff small hahaha. |
| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by OkCornel(m): 4:20pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
CaptMarvel:Dear Vulture, Armageddon would be fought on earth. And the birds of the air (which you confessed you're part of) would gorge on the flesh of the slain ones. Matthew 24 v 28 and Revelation 19 v 17-18 are the same thing; Matthew 24 v 28; Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures (CaptMarvel) will gather. Revelation 19 v 17-18; 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds (CaptMarvel) flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small. |
| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by CaptMarvel(m): 4:21pm On Oct 31, 2022*. Modified: 4:42pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
OkCornel:hahahahahahahahahhahaha Okcornel the Mr. Vulture. Mr Taken away and taken all away ![]() |
| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by OkCornel(m): 4:25pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
CaptMarvel:Ahn ahn, Were you not the one that said Matthew 24 v 28 represents wedding feast na ![]() You dey chop carcass for wedding feast abi? Who did this to you? It can never be well with that person ![]()
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| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by OkCornel(m): 4:27pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
CaptMarvel:Na you talk say you dey chop carcass na... ![]() Carcass lover, you don change mouth? ![]()
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| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by CaptMarvel(m): 4:40pm On Oct 31, 2022*. Modified: 5:08pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
OkCornel:hahahahahahaha! Ewoo. Infact your pastor needs to be queried. Raising gullible christian with no spiritual depth. Before it was TAKEN ALL AWAY And TAKEN AWAY Now its EAGLES AND VULTURE! hahahaha! Kai. You think those things are literal unhn! You goof bro. I even thought you have depth never knew you're one of those hungry looking bible letters carrying folks hahahaha Please just focus on evangelism and salvation topics ![]() |
| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by OkCornel(m): 5:14pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
CaptMarvel:Mr Vulture...you wan follow Bible argue ![]() Matthew 24 v 28 - NIV; 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures (CaptMarvel) will gather. Mulumbu...where did I ever write TAKEN ALL AWAY? Screenshot it and post here. It's now time to tell desperate lies so you can stay afloat abi? At least I know I'm discussing with someone who lusts for carcass ![]()
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| Re: Seven Reasons Against The PRETRIBULATION Rapture by OkCornel(m): 5:16pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
CaptMarvel the carcass lover ![]() 1. Where did Jesus mention he will come for believers before the great tribulation? 2. Where did Apostle John in all of his visions of heaven see visions of believers that escaped the great tribulation? Provide the chapter and verse.
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