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FatherOfJesus:
A fool says in his heart that there’s no Flying Spaghetti Monster

It's a mad man who says that!

Aemmyjah:
Good, you know the reproductive organs or parts vital in producing and bearing children. They came by accident right?

Please sir, i'd like u to respectfuly explain why some children are born with disability; why there are miscariages and still births; are these also the works of the perfect creator?

Templee333:
Please sir, i'd like u to respectfuly explain why some children are born with disability; why there are miscariages and still births; are these also the works of the perfect creator?

Thank you
If I answer with my opinion, it will be pure philosophy
Since it has to do with the Creator
Read the following verses:
Deuteronomy 32:4
Job14:4
Psalm 51:5
Romans 5:12

When you're done, tell me how those scriptures apply to your question. If you don't understand, feel free to ask but read those scriptures first

Aemmyjah:
Life, the universe, stars, moons, planets, orbits, rain, temperature, cycles, etc
Were they made by someone or they came by themselves?
In one word, pick the answer

how about floods,earthquakes,huricanes,solar/lunar eclipses,landslides,volcanic eruptions, are these also the works of the creator?

Templee333:
how about floods,earthquakes,huricanes,solar/lunar eclipses,landslides,volcanic eruptions, are these also the works of the creator?

Have you read Deuteronomy 32:4?

Aemmyjah:
Thank you
If I answer with my opinion, it will be pure philosophy
Since it has to do with the Creator
Read the following verses:
Deuteronomy 32:4
Job14:4
Psalm 51:5
Romans 5:12

When you're done, tell me how those scriptures apply to your question. If you don't understand, feel free to ask but read those scriptures first

Templee333:
how about floods,earthquakes,huricanes,solar/lunar eclipses,landslides,volcanic eruptions, are these also the works of the creator?

Aemmyjah:
Thank you
If I answer with my opinion, it will be pure philosophy
Since it has to do with the Creator
Read the following verses:
Deuteronomy 32:4
Job14:4
Psalm 51:5
Romans 5:12

When you're done, tell me how those scriptures apply to your question. If you don't understand, feel free to ask but read those scriptures first

I read all the verses. But i don't get where u are driving at. more light please

Templee333:
I read all the verses. But i don't get where u are driving at. more light please

Deuteronomy 32:4
 The Rock, PERFECT is his activity, For ALL his ways are JUSTICE. A God of faithfulness who is never UNJUST; Righteous and upright is he.

The main focus is the capitalized verses. If God is responsible or made people to be created with defects, can his works be truly said as perfect? No. If he deliberately made us to be that way, will be be described as Righteous and upright? No
Even the most healthy babe can still talk sick and die later. We are all sick so to speak. Why are things bad? Who is to blame? The answer is in verse 5

 5.  They are the ones who have acted corruptly. They are not his children, the defect is their own. They are a crooked and twisted generation!

So something happened, what happened? Someone or some people acted corruptly bringing defects to all. Who was that and how were we affected

Our first parents were made perfect but they rebelled and became imperfect. We inherited their imperfections which brings al forms of condemnation and death and sickness whether at birth or infantry or adulthood. That's why I asked you to read that verse in Job and Psalms and Romans

My battery is low but when I charge, I promise to give you an illustration that drives home the point

Dtruthspeaker:
It's a mad man who says that!

E pain you

Flying Spaghetti Monster loves you

FatherOfJesus:
E pain you

Flying Spaghetti Monster loves you

You are confessing e pain you.

Sttaying within reasonable limits is better.

Aemmyjah:
Have you read Deuteronomy 32:4?

My brother, Templee333 is an Apostate and these are the thread he set up to attacks God's organization:

https://www.nairaland.com/7296359/experience-jehovahs-witnesses-organization

https://www.nairaland.com/7378764/sophia-caleb

https://www.nairaland.com/7269205/prepare-septemberthey-coming-like-locusts

https://www.nairaland.com/7252017/jehovahs-witnesses-going-house-house

https://www.nairaland.com/7256425/maxindhousejanosky-other-jehovahs-witnesses-come

So he's only wasting your time he is now an atheist playing on the fence!

MaxInDHouse:
My brother, Templee333 is an Apostate and these are the thread he set up to attacks God's organization:

https://www.nairaland.com/7296359/experience-jehovahs-witnesses-organization

https://www.nairaland.com/7378764/sophia-caleb

https://www.nairaland.com/7269205/prepare-septemberthey-coming-like-locusts

https://www.nairaland.com/7252017/jehovahs-witnesses-going-house-house

https://www.nairaland.com/7256425/maxindhousejanosky-other-jehovahs-witnesses-come

So he's only wasting your time he is now an atheist playing on the fence!

Thanks brother
I had doubts cos the name rang a bell
No need replying him

Aemmyjah:
Thanks brother
I had doubts cos the name rang a bell
No need replying him

Himself and his cohorts often mock God's organization for the phrase "light getting brighter" {Proverbs 4:18} so if he wants more or better still BRIGHTER LIGHT

Templee333:
I read all the verses. But i don't get where u are driving at. more light please

Let him go and find it elsewhere.
He said God's organization is wrong for making ourselves One under the GOVERNING BODY so let him go and learn from those who aren't students of our GB!

MaxInDHouse:
The funny thing about this your question is the way you concluded.
Did the Creator has another Creator?
YES of course!
The Bible said:

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. Colossians 1:15-16

So the creator has a Creator but what has that got to do with us as we are alive and know that we need divine guidance?
The reason intelligent beings do deliberate on supremacy is all about right and wrong or whose right is it to set standards?

Therefore instead of demanding for the King who gave birth to the King who gave birth to the King who gave birth to the King who gave birth to the King who gave birth to the King that is on the throne, the intelligent question to ask is whose standard yields positive results that's beneficial to one and all.

Real intellectuals don't tie themselves down with a problem rather we go for a solution!

My question was just a few lines. How, or why you were able to miss the point is beyond me.

I didn't ask about supremacy or Standards or solutions. That's another topic entirely.

I asked a simple question. Can the creator have another creator?

Your answer was yes. Simple. Now... Prove it.

Dtruthspeaker:
You can not flip the question especially as you are supposed to settle it by giving a valid answer.

But because you know that none of your answers can be True (for we have reached the end of Truth) so now you think you can now put us in your foolish position where the Truth does not support you, so, you like the criminals that you are, you now decided to commit the crime of "Switching and Reversing the burden of proof. WHERE'AS, THE BURDEN ENDED ON TOP OF YOUR DEAD BODIES.

AND BY YOUR ATTEMPT TO REVERSR IT, IT MEANS YOU CAN NOT REMOVE IT SO YOU PEOPLE LOSE!"

Thus, the other guy I first answered respected himself and stayed away rather than commit a crime but you had to come and commit the crime.

So get back to your failure corner! All una use of unlawful argument things will not be allowed at all.

You people have no valid argument 5o make which is why at the proper end of any argument, you have to resort to crimes of argument known as fallacies, to remove yourselves from your Wrong and Failure Corners

With the long paragraph you wrote here, you still failed to answer the question. It was a very simple question.

The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. Since the beginning of this thread, all claims about a creator have been made by the theists.

You're the one who says your creator is uncreated. I only asked why it has to be so, and here you are writing essays to dodge the question

Wilgrea7:
My question was just a few lines. How, or why you were able to miss the point is beyond me.

I didn't ask about supremacy or Standards or solutions. That's another topic entirely.

I asked a simple question. Can the creator have another creator?

Your answer was yes. Simple. Now... Prove it.

I'm sure you will agree with this brother of yours as he proved that his own ancestors were monkeys:

Workch:
It is an anatomical fact that we are a modern ape species, part of a series of humanoid apes species.

We accept that the first such species evolved about 2 million years ago, while the latest, Homo sapiens (that’s us), first appeared about 300,000 years ago. This is because we find fossils that can be dated, and we can see how the skeletal structure has gradually evolved from one form to another.

We thus have a working model of which species evolved into which, and this model is being continually refined as we discover more and more fossil remains.
The ape species in existence today are humans, Gorillas, Chimpanzees, Bonobos and Orangutans are great Apes, while 16 species of Gibbons are lesser apes.

What are the characteristics of Apes?
1. All apes usually have fingernails instead of claws. Though they're made of the same substance, keratin, biologists distinguish between claws and nails. Both grow from the ends of digits (fingers and toes), but claws are curved and pointed, where nails are flat and dull.

2. Opposable thumbs: a thumb, that is to say, that is capable of being moved freely and independently. Only apes have this ability even monkeys don’t.

3. padded digits with fingerprints: only apes have fingerprints. Koalas also have fingerprints however do not meet other criteria to be classified as Apes.

4. Unlike other primates, Apes do not have tails.

So humans have all the characteristics of a primate which fallen within a superfamily called Hominoidea (Ape)

In the same manner my own God (JEHOVAH) created a creator (JESUS) who also created a creator (ADAM) who gave birth to so many creators (Inventors of all kinds of things we have today)

So if your own ancestors were monkeys my own were creatures made in the image (likeness) of the grand inventor who made life possible on planet earth!

MaxInDHouse:
I'm sure you will agree with this brother of yours as he proved that his own ancestors were monkeys:



In the same manner my own God (JEHOVAH) created a creator (JESUS) who also created a creator (ADAM) who gave birth to so many creators (Inventors of all kinds of things we have today)

So if your own ancestors were monkeys my own were creatures made in the image (likeness) of the grand inventor who made life possible on planet earth!

It means that Jesus is also an ape. He has fingerprints.

Aemmyjah:
Well, then, we meet again
I hope you have flexed your muscles

My turn
Let me flip the question for you

On what basis or judgment or measurement do you base this question of yours? By human standard or reproduction?
We all know that you can't use that of humans to judge certain microorganisms. Some replicate and some reproduce, others by regeneration, similarly, you can't use that of humans for that of many plants. You may set a whole forest on and the whole area is sand but it feels years time, the whole area becomes a forest again. How will you explain how these things turn out to a small boy when nobody came into that land to plant anything.

How much more the Creator, a higher spirit being? You see how foolish and stupid your argument can be? Atheist want to disprove the existence of a Creator so they can prove their own selfish, animalistic wisdom and they don't want to feel accountable to God for their own selfish, obscene desires.

So let me get this straight. You're accusing me of using human or as you say, “animalistic" wisdom to think about a “higher being"

But when did i ever make such claims? I never said the creator, if it exists, has to have another creator.

All i asked was a simple question, and it's a bit funny watching all three of you fumble over it.

You're the ones who claim the creator is uncreated. I'm only asking why it has to be that way, and not any other way.

What sort of non-animalistic wisdom do you have that somehow led you to the conclusion that the creator cannot have another creator.

The fact that some organisms reproduce in a different way, doesn't mean all organisms reproduce in that way. You're proving my point further.

Probability is not certainty. And you of all people should know that.

A robot can be 'intelligent' but he will never be intelligent to know everything about his Maker. It is foolish to use his basis to make conclusion on his more intelligent Maker.
Can your dog understand everything about you, your birth, your marriage, your age, your length of days?
Yet some people like a pet dog want to be smarter than its owner, they want to disprove their owner and wander on their own. The owner will surely look for his beloved dog but a useless, stupid dog that claim to be wise and want to live alone is not worth any use. He is gone, dead in the eyes of its owner

I've not made any claims about the creator. All I'm doing is asking questions.

You're the one making claims, and you've given absolutely no solid reason to back them up. It seems your robot and dog analogy apply to you more than it does to me.

Workch:
It means that Jesus is also an ape. He has fingerprints.

Apes aren't CREATORS (INVENTORS) Sir!

MaxInDHouse:
Apes aren't CREATORS (INVENTORS) Sir!

JESUS created himself in he image of an ape

Aemmyjah:
Thanks brother
I had doubts cos the name rang a bell
No need replying him

I'm not attacking ur religion, i asked you questions based on what u said in support of a perfect creator. But if u take it to be an attack on ur religion,then something is wrong somewhere.

Workch:
JESUS created himself in he image of an ape

Naaaaaaaaaaaaa the Creator created all things in different forms {Genesis 1:21-25} that's why you can't find any creature inventing something new apart from the one and only creature made in the image of the Creator Himself: GOD!

MaxInDHouse:
Naaaaaaaaaaaaa the Creator created all things in different forms {Genesis 1:21-25} that's why you can't find any creature inventing something new apart from the one and only creature made in the image of the Creator Himself: GOD!

The creator is also an ape.
That’s what we discovered

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Workch:
The creator is also an ape.
That’s what we discovered

Well apes aren't CREATORS (INVENTORS) of anything Sir. So your discovery is flawed!

MaxInDHouse:
I'm sure you will agree with this brother of yours as he proved that his own ancestors were monkeys:

In the same manner my own God (JEHOVAH) created a creator (JESUS) who also created a creator (ADAM) who gave birth to so many creators (Inventors of all kinds of things we have today)

So if your own ancestors were monkeys my own were creatures made in the image (likeness) of the grand inventor who made life possible on planet earth!

Getting you to answer a simple question seems to be an Olympic sport.

And if you want to quote someone, at least try to understand their points so you don't end up looking dumb. No offense.

He never said our ancestors were monkeys. He used the term “modern apes" because the evidence shows that humans, alongside several other ape-like creatures, evolved from a common ancestor specie.

That being said, I asked you for evidence. You've not provided any evidence that your God made Jesus who in turn made Adam.

You tried to divert the topic by bringing up a contrary view. That's not how proof works.

Prove to me, that your God indeed made Jesus who in turn made Adam, and the rest of the universe.

Also, while you're at it, do you think your God, the one who created Jesus has another creator above him?

Why or why not?

MaxInDHouse:
Well apes aren't CREATORS (INVENTORS) of anything Sir. So your discovery is flawed!

Jesus na Ape, he has nails and fingerprints

He’s a mere monkey

Wilgrea7:
Getting you to answer a simple question seems to be an Olympic sport.

And if you want to quote someone, at least try to understand their points so you don't end up looking dumb. No offense.

He never said our ancestors were monkeys. He used the term “modern apes" because the evidence shows that humans, alongside several other ape-like creatures, evolved from a common ancestor specie.

That being said, I asked you for evidence. You've not provided any evidence that your God made Jesus who in turn made Adam.

You tried to divert the topic by bringing up a contrary view. That's not how proof works.

Prove to me, that your God indeed made Jesus who in turn made Adam, and the rest of the universe.

Also, while you're at it, do you think your God, the one who created Jesus has another creator above him?

Why or why not?

It's OK to be mad at me it's a free world!

Just know that anytime you put up nonsense Max is here to poke it for right thinking persons to see how foolish your faculty is!

Workch:
Jesus na Ape, he has nails and fingerprints

He’s a mere monkey

Each person has the right to talk about his own ancestors, you've presented yours and i never disputed it.

Apes can't talk so atheists will prefer to be related to such creatures after all since apes don't talk it simply means each descendant of ape that finds himself/herself talking should set his/her own standard! Genesis 3:1-5

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK to be mad at me it's a free world!

Just know that anytime you put up nonsense Max is here to poke it for right thinking persons to see how foolish your faculty is!

I'm not mad at you. I don't know where you got that idea from.

Also, you've still failed to answer my question. Any honest person here can see how you've been trying to evade answering simple questions from the beginning.

Wilgrea7:
I'm not mad at you. I don't know where you got that idea from.

Also, you've still failed to answer my question. Any honest person here can see how you've been trying to evade answering simple questions from the beginning.

Ọmọ direct your questions to your ancestors: APES!

MaxInDHouse:
Each person has the right to talk about his own ancestors, you've presented yours and i never disputed it.

It's a discussion. If you don't believe it to be true, then challenge it. If you have contrary evidence, then bring it forward.

This whole idea of “your truth" and “my truth" doesn't get anything done. I've noticed a number of theists saying things like this when backed into a corner.

The earth isn't a globe for me and a flat disk for you. Truth is not relative.