brocab:
You maybe a little confused about the Word of God-but you are different from your comrades in crime..

pinkylovely:

Who said you weren't a JW? Probably an elder/pioneer who's still glued. Again, stop lying that you believe in miracles when you know quite well that if you were to be told that a Christian religious leader miraculously healed someone from a sickness, you will never believe that to be true. Yeah? Explain God's Holy spirit as an active force, right?

pinkylovely:


Stop lying to yourself. JWs don't believe in miracles. And before you start talking about miracle of life, I'm very sure you are aware of what OP is talking about when he says 'miracle'. And the belief of holy spirit is as God's active force.

Aemmyjah:


I'm also one of Jehovah witnesses
We believe in miracles
The world in itself is a miracle
Life in itself is a miracle
You're alive today is a miracle
We believe the miracle in the bibles and there is the grandest miracle we are awaiting. That of leading mankind to perfection, the resurrection of our dead loved ones and the end to all injustices, sicknesses, pain and death and all forms of wickedness
We don't accept the faith healing you see today.
One reason is that most are staged
Second reason is that most are just from pastors talking about what they did but they are baseless, lies
Third, even the ones that look real are different from the ones in the Bible. Jesus Christ condemned those who came to him for miracles but did not accept God's word; he did not do miracles for public recognition and warned many he healed not to tell others what happened
The ones today are far different, the pastors seem to be Jesus Christ mentors as they display no humble spirit, they do this in a struggle to promote their ministry against another. For example, Pastor A need to perform miracles so that his ministry will expand. Remember that Jesus Christ warned his disciples not to accept or have religious titles or be called leader or master. Today, we see how women with no regard for their spouse regard these leaders as daddy and kneel for them. Men kiss their hands or prostrate to them completely opposite of that jesus christ and his disciples did
Jesus christ acknowledge that many will do powerful works in his name thinking they are pleasing to God but he said he will dismiss them as workers of lawlessness.
For us, we do what Jesus Christ asked us to do- preaching and teaching about God's kingdom, all we do are give are free. We don't sell our books or Bibles unlike others and we don't force contribution from others.
If you're thinking the true religion is one that perform miracles, you'll find yourself going to Satan himself cos his agents also do wonders but there is one quality Jesus Christ highlights for all who really want to know his followers found nowhere else. It is recorded at John 13:34,35. Ask yourself and find out who really display such love. Those who seem to display miracles don't have such love, they only preach it but when conflict comes, they kill and support wars and violence in the name of politics, ethnicity and nationalism. Members of the true religion today like Jesus Christ and his disciples will not pick up weapons even under threat to kill ANYONE (even opposing enemies) cos they are no part of the world. Their loyalty is to God and Jesus Christ and not man or government

pinkylovely:


So, I'm I saying the truth or not as regards your belief system in relation to miracles.

Here's a dictionary definition of miracle in case you've forgotten.
'An extraordinary and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore attributed to a divine agency'.

And I'm very sure you knew what the OP was specifically talking about when he mentioned 'miracles'. Enough of beating around the bush.

MaxInDHouse:


I'm telling you now that all you need to ask is further explanation not just concluding on what you heard from a JW.

Jesus said:

“Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness! Matthew 7:21-23

So if you find anyone who doubt that there are wonders performed by religionists today {Revelations 16:14} then know that such a person is not a JW.

What you supposed to ask is why are we not moved by their so called miracles?

Aemmyjah:


Okay
Mention the 'miracles' you see today

pinkylovely:


You are going off point. But I'll still answer you. Miracles the OP is referring to, which I'm sure YOU UNDERSTAND but just want to beat around the bush as y'all typically do are miracles like raising of dead, healing from potentially fatal sicknesses like cancer...

You don't believe in them. You don't believe in them. You don't believe in them. You don't!

Aemmyjah:


It is not wrong for me to hear your viewpoint, is it?
Did I say I did not believe in miracles or you don't just agree with what I said?
I might escape from an accident that no one can believe or understand how such escape is possible but I give God all the thanks and say it is a miracle. I can be faced with death dealing situations and I overcome it with God's help. Once I was so broke, I prayed and I receive a call that 10times the money I wanted was sent to my account. I've seen answers to my prayers and these are what people see as miracles
I want to learn from you and I asked you the questions. Since you believe, which miracles do you see today?

pinkylovely:


Reread my post. If that was the miracles the poster was referring to. What are now explaining? . SMH.

You don't want to learn from me. Stop the hypocrisy! And stop lying.

pinkylovely:


I have not said anything based on hearsays. Because that's exactly what y'all conclude when you see people question your belief system. I'm still currently part of the JWs and their 'whosky' belief system. Been baptized. Was born here. So, if there's anyone that should be complaining about hearsays, I should be the one.

No one asked for your extra unnecessary explanations. The statement made was a simple and clear one. OP said the JWs don't believe in miracles. That's the exact truth! What are you trying to sugar coat abi explain again? There's nothing wrong with saying 'Yes, the JWs don't believe in miracles'. Simple and short! What's there? Do y'all always have to start looking for a way to twist the meanings of clear and simple words in a bid to defending your belief system? Do you?!

Aemmyjah:


Then you have nothing to offer, you don't seem to be decisive
I said I believe in miracles and you say I'm lying
You that believe have nothing to say or mention regarding today's miracles
Does that make sense?

MaxInDHouse:


The highlighted is enough to tell that you were never a real JW you only assume you're one because your parents born you in the midst of JWs. I ask you again "do you believe Jesus' word as recorded in the Bible book of Matthew 7:22?"
That's what real JWs believe because Jesus adds that if care is not taken even the anointed will be deceived due to the wonders performed by false prophets.
So if anyone says he doesn't believe false prophets are performing wonders such a person is not a JW meaning you weren't a real JW Sir!

pinkylovely:


Nahhhh! The highlighted is enough to tell you that I'm not saying anything based on HEARSAYS! And that you should stop assuming that anyone who questions your belief system doesn't have any idea about the JWs or just say things based on hearsays. I don't care if you think I wasn't a real JW right from time or not. I don't need to explain anything to you.

Lol. Another one here jumping into conclusions. I only asked that you stop claiming you believe what you obviously don't believe in.

pinkylovely:


Read my comment under your question 'okay. Mention the miracles you see today'.

You guys make me chuckle a lot. Really. . You that seem to decisive, go ahead with your hypocrital love lying to people about what you believe in and what you don't.

Aemmyjah:


Why not requote it or mention it here?
Listen, lemme clear you small
Here in Nigeria, we basically see miracles in two ways
One is the direct answers to our prayers and the other is the one done in church crusades and convention which is termed FAITH HEALING

For example, a couple have been praying for fruitage of the womb for years and they get twins
A widow is crying and praying cos she has nothing to eat and feed her children and someone comes in with food
A graduate looking for job has lost hope in finding it but he is prayerful but one day he receives a message from one company he applied for that he has been employed
A student is crying for admission and then gets admitted to the course he wanted
A man is working, a large stone fell that narrowly missed him which could have killed him
Months ago, a man shot at the vice president of Argentina but nothing came out but there was bullet it the pistol
All these can be termed as miracles but critics may dismiss it as coincidence. If people call all these miracles, then I'm on the same page with them

The other one called faith healing is what I don't believe in or accept
I grew up a Pentecostal and a Pentecostal I was for 19 years and used to believe in them especially that of TB Joshua but when I examined them closely, they were laughable. I've been to so many crusades, so I know what I'm telling you.
When large crowds came to Jesus Christ bringing their sick ones, ALL (not some) were healed and people saw it, enemies couldn't deny it. Jesus today would not sell miraculous 'bloood of Jesus' or stickers

It's pure philosophy. When you stand and tell a large crowd of thousands that some will get married, some will buy cars, some will build houses, some will gain admission. That is not prophecies. Whether you prophecy or not, some among those people will marry as they plan, gain admission they seem, buy cars they plan to. They come back to give credit to Daddy GO.
Jesus'miracles were not loud. If he were alive today, I'm not sure he'll allow his powerful works to be streamed

But maybe I'm wrong and ignorant. So tell me, which miracles do you see today?

MaxInDHouse:


The highlighted is enough to tell that you were never a real JW you only assume you're one because your parents born you in the midst of JWs. I ask you again "do you believe Jesus' word as recorded in the Bible book of Matthew 7:22?"
That's what real JWs believe because Jesus adds that if care is not taken even the anointed will be deceived due to the wonders performed by false prophets.
So if anyone says he doesn't believe false prophets are performing wonders such a person is not a JW meaning you weren't a real JW Sir!

pinkylovely:


Get a dictionary and read the meaning of miracle. Dictionary definitions are not limited to only Nigerians so I don't understand what you mean by 'in Nigeria here...'.

Between, I will not repost what I have already mentioned and will not answer what have been answered already.

OgaNightmare:

Spot on, I was preparing a rebuttal for that particular study article.
It shows how the GB go "beyond the things that are written it was filled with assumptions and speculations and outright manipulation of scripture.
The funniest thing is when the showed a JW teaching the recsurected ones their faulty interpretation of Daniel's prophecy. (Wow! Just wow!)
Forgetting that Paul said that what we have now is partial knowledge "but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away" but JW's claim to know all

In conclusion I still echo the sentiment's of Paul whenever I see them pushing ahead against the true gospel of Christ, trying to know the future when the have no absolute revelation fro the great God himself:
But just as it is written: “Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, nor have there been conceived in the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him"
(1Cor 2:9 NWT)

Aemmyjah:


Ok then, why attack someone else who believe in it?
I said I believe in miracles and you attack me for lying but you can't dispute what I said or come up with your own opinion

If I say the sky is orange red and you think otherwise. You either correct me or respect my opinion. As you have nothing to say, stop being ignorant.

Again I believe in miracles, real miracles and the greatest miracles are about to occur for all mankind and that is what we tell people. Those who do faithhealing today won't mention it

MaxInDHouse:


We all have the same line of thought {1Corinthians 1:10} so don't patronize me JWs believe the same thing! John 17:22

So if a JW tells you something all you need to do is ask for more explanation but when you misconstrue what a JW told you then don't think it's the JW that's different it's you that failed to grasp what the JW said.

pinkylovely:


Coming from someone who doesn't understand what he/she believes in

brocab:
Maybe if you understood the scriptures more clearly, we wouldn't be having this conversation..

Aemmyjah:


Lol
After telling you about 3 times now
You have not said anything cos u know where it will lead you to na
If you are not afraid, open up
It's a free world
There's freedom of speech in this forum
You dismissed mine
Tell me the miracles you see today

The one that pastors with heavy guards give people stickers to post on their doors to chase away criminals
Or the ones that a pastor will carry a pregnant woman over his shoulders like wrestlers do and slam against chairs to drive out demons from her?
Which one have you seen?

Lemme share an experience, a brother was preaching and went to eat at a canteen and he was overhearing a man talking to his friend how he was able to buy a door cos he was not walking
This was many years ago
The man said that an evangelist known all over the world was coming to the city. He is known to attract very large crowds in his crusades especially in Africa and known for miracles
So the evangelist was to come to the city, a pastor came to this man and told him that he had job for him. The job was this: He would act like he has a problem (I can't remember what the brother said the problem was but I think it is either sight or walking). He was to stay in the crowds of people but they will put a tag on his collar, some on their chairs a small tag but indisctint but the evangelist understood. As the evangelist was walking through the people, he was to approach as if he needed a miracle but the evangelist on seeing the sign will touch him. He is to pretend that he has been healed.
That's how the young man made his money. When I heard the name of the evangelist, I was shocked, I did not believe it. The brother too did not want to believe it. His name was Evangelist Reinhard Bonnke. Don't forget that there was a stampede that killed many in Edo in his crusade.

Same thing happened to Pastor Chris Oyakhilome in South Africa. He himself came out to dispute that his miracles were not fake. That's was in 2012 I think
He was in South Africa (I hear he's banned from visiting the city), a man was in wheelchair and suddenly he ran to the toilet as he was preaching. The whole thing was funny indeed. There were no ushers around to lead him to the toilet when he was pressed. It became too much and he ran out. Is it a miracle that someone on wheelchair should run to the toilet?

For us, we are deceived
Again, tell us what miracles you are seeing today

Aemmyjah:

Lol, he says he's JW
very funny person
Many non witnesses no longer believe in faithhealing or miracles by their clergymen but they still go to church
This one is claiming JW
He's like a person in a team, everyone is trying to attack to score a goal. He's busy shooting ball out for throwing

It's not only JW, it is YW

pinkylovely:


Do you skip posts on purpose or something? You've asked a question thrice, I've replied once, yet you want me to keep repeating? Who does that?

No need for the explanations. Go through the dictionary and check the exact meanings of faith healing and miracles. And if you define faith healing the way you define it, then it means you also believe in faith healing because they are lots of verses in scriptures where Christ healed those who were sick based on the concept of faith.

You and I know quite well what the OP was referring to. So, there's no need trying to pretend you don't understand that the poster was talking about MODERN DAY HEALING/MIRACLES! If you believe that there are people capable of healing others just like Jesus Christ did, then go ahead to answer me.

Y'all beleive that after the time where an apostle was treated with a stomach ache with the use of wine, christians no longer had the power to perform miracles. So which one are you trying to explain again? Which??

If you don't, there's no need arguing about anything. This explains exactly why you can't go out to preach and see someone who's sick YET offer to pray for them. If you've ever done so, then that's FAITH HEALING. You pray and then you have faith will perform miracles even if to humans it doesn't seem possible. That's FAITH HEALING, Sir/madam.

Stop trying to confuse yourself because you're trying to differentiate concepts here. If someone talks about miracles, you know exactly what they are referring to. So, coming here to type gibberish explaining reasons why you believe in miracles and not faith healing is quite contradictory. You are confusing yourself.

What is 'i beleive in miracles but not faith healing'. Ain't faith healing also miracles?? If a prayer is made for a sick person with the concept of faith in mind and that person is healed, what's that? Miracle or no miracle?

Except of course miracles have been classified into different types that I'm not aware of. And as long as you believed that Christ performed miracles and his disciples did so, believing that during this modern era, christians can no longer perform miracles is same as not believing in miracles.

Don't come here and confuse yourself again.
Do you believe in miracles? Short answer: NO!
The dictionary definitions are very clear!
Do you believe in faith healing? Short answer: NO!

pinkylovely:


Do you skip posts on purpose or something? You've asked a question thrice, I've replied once, yet you want me to keep repeating? Who does that?

No need for the explanations. Go through the dictionary and check the exact meanings of faith healing and miracles. And if you define faith healing the way you define it, then it means you also believe in faith healing because they are lots of verses in scriptures where Christ healed those who were sick based on the concept of faith.

You and I know quite well what the OP was referring to. So, there's no need trying to pretend you don't understand that the poster was talking about MODERN DAY HEALING/MIRACLES! If you believe that there are people capable of healing others just like Jesus Christ did, then go ahead to answer me.

Y'all beleive that after the time where an apostle was treated with a stomach ache with the use of wine, christians no longer had the power to perform miracles. So which one are you trying to explain again? Which??

If you don't, there's no need arguing about anything. This explains exactly why you can't go out to preach and see someone who's sick YET offer to pray for them. If you've ever done so, then that's FAITH HEALING. You pray and then you have faith will perform miracles even if to humans it doesn't seem possible. That's FAITH HEALING, Sir/madam.

Stop trying to confuse yourself because you're trying to differentiate concepts here. If someone talks about miracles, you know exactly what they are referring to. So, coming here to type gibberish explaining reasons why you believe in miracles and not faith healing is quite contradictory. You are confusing yourself.

What is 'i beleive in miracles but not faith healing'. Ain't faith healing also miracles?? If a prayer is made for a sick person with the concept of faith in mind and that person is healed, what's that? Miracle or no miracle?

Except of course miracles have been classified into different types that I'm not aware of. And as long as you believed that Christ performed miracles and his disciples did so, believing that during this modern era, christians can no longer perform miracles is same as not believing in miracles.

Don't come here and confuse yourself again.
Do you believe in miracles? Short answer: NO!
The dictionary definitions are very clear!
Do you believe in faith healing? Short answer: NO!

Aemmyjah:


Was referring to the ones today
They are fraudulent to deceive those that think wonders are the sign of christianity

Aemmyjah:


What are you saying sef?
If I pray to God requesting for something? Don't I have faith? Am I not praying with faith? Will God answer faithless prayers?

If I'm sick or someone is sick? Is it wrong for me or ask for myself or myself to get well?

What are you saying?

I believe in miracles. You want to tell me what I believe
Go and meet so called pastors to heal your faith
How many times have we seen disappointment from people and media when there were no miracles? The pastor said the people had no faith... If people can travel from far and near for healing, how do you say they had no faith

Do I believe in miracles even according to dictionary meaning, the answer is Yes. YES!!!! If I don't, I can't also believe what the Bible says about miraculous account or what it will do.
Do I believe in the Faith healing done today? I don't. Even muslim clerics, eckist priests, psychics and juju doctors do 'faithhealing'
I worked under a eckist man, he's also a jujuman. A pastor has come to meet him for powers to do wonders so people will come to his church. Here in Uyo, they are exposed everyday and na dem de get audience pass
Which of the faith healing are you referring to?

pinkylovely:


Go and meet your so-called channel in which truth is being dispensed to the so-called only true organization.

Now, one simple question for you. If you met me really sick and I asked that you pray for me and ask God to help heal my ill health? Will you?

If you eventually did and I got healed. Like healed beyond human comprehension? Is that or is that not faith healing?

I don't need to travel to meet anyone to pray for me. Fellow christians can pray for me too as well, right? As someone who claims to be a true Christian or a fellow christian, will you pray? Will you pray beleiving that God can heal me?

pinkylovely:


And then your point is ALL ARE FRAUDULENT because you've come in contact with a couple of fraudulent pastors, right?! So, where's the belief is miracle there?

pinkylovely:

And then your point is ALL ARE FRAUDULENT because you've come in contact with a couple of fraudulent pastors, right?! So, where's the belief is miracle there?