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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by dupyshoo: 3:59pm On Dec 09, 2022
It does not matter what he thinks anymore. The issue is affecting you and your family. Give him maximum of 1 week. There is airbnb for him to explore.

babajeje123:

I know but will I give him ultimatum or what? How will I explain to him again since he felt offended when I insisted he should go and check one on Wednesday only for him to return and say he doesn't like it.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by dupyshoo: 4:01pm On Dec 09, 2022
It is your house, there is no need sugar coating it. Just tell him that based on what has happened and his behaviour, he needs to leave.
babajeje123:

I need advise on how to present this to him. I may lose my cool if he stays one month and can only manage 1 week but I don't want fight or any wahala.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Nobody: 4:04pm On Dec 09, 2022
babajeje123:
Advise needed please.
Please I need advise to handle this maturedly. Since he came none of his people called to say 'thank you' not even his girlfriend that we know. But I don't care at all as all I want is for him to leave as I don't want to continue to sacrifice the comfort of my family to someone who is unappreciative.

He's not paying rent or contributing to bills or providing any service. You don't owe him any obligation and you're not legally bound to any contract with him.

Give him a deadline of one week or two weeks if you're kind and tell him it's firm and unchangeable.

On that day, collect your house key and/or refuse him entry by locking the door from inside - except to give him his belongings.

If he makes any trouble after then call the police and explain your concerns, especially about your children.

On how to present it; put the ultimatum and your reasons in writing via Whatsapp or email, and record any further conversations you have with him.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by HaneefahRN(f): 4:05pm On Dec 09, 2022
babajeje123:
Advise needed please.
Now I am begining to understand why most Nigerians here don't want to accomodate newcomers who are Nigerians. I accommodated a guy who is becoming difficult for me to handle just because I don't like wahala. We lived in the same house in Nigeria and during those period we were never friends. even left


The guy is a he-goat. You are too patient. You have made him too comfortable. You need to be firm to get rid of him. I don't think there is anyway you can win and maturely do this cos you are dealing with an ingrate. Give an ultimatum and let him know you are sticking to it. If it is to change the locks to your house
How can you be living with someone and be very useless and claiming right again
And it is people like him that will rant about how Nigerians don't help each other

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by davide470(m): 5:07pm On Dec 09, 2022
japhethGold:
Thanks for your suggestion.
I will consider setting up a forum for UK Tax Matters as tax is such an important part of UK residents life.

From my experience as a mod, this might be a bad idea if you want engagement. Your target audience is on this thread, so keep writing on the thread. Everything na still under "Living In The UK - Life Of An Immigrant"

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by pufframmy: 5:22pm On Dec 09, 2022
it so sad to read this from a - z why will some people behave like this

this is how they spoil opportunity to others that are yet to arrive, i think his attitude is always there and he will never change sice you said this how he have been doing since day one well, you know what to do, you have the Big Decision to make

bless

babajeje123:
Advise needed please.
Now I am begining to understand why most Nigerians here don't want to accomodate newcomers who are Nigerians. I accommodated a guy who is becoming difficult for me to handle just because I don't like wahala. We lived in the same house in Nigeria and during those period we were never friends. We only exchanged greetings sometimes as he was very rude and proud. So when he got to know that I left Naija with my family, he became a 'friend', called me one day and asked for what he needed to do to come to the UK. I explained all I did without any reservations and advised him on what he needed to do. He applied to a University and a week to his resumption, he had not gotten his CAS. He was worried as he had sent so many emails and made calls to the Uni without a single reply, so I went to the Uni to ask for the reason for the delay as there was also no update on his application portal. The lady I spoke to was not going to converse with me but after some pressure, she spoke and from our conversation, it didn't appear he was going to get the CAS. I remembered a friend who is an Agent of the Uni and spoke to him, sent his details and the following day he got his CAS. No penny was collected. I guided him on how to apply for his visa which he got. Prior to him getting his visa, he was asked from the Home Office to forward additional documents like payslip etc and he was afraid of what to do. I connected him to a friend who had the same experience and that one guided him on additional docs he could send and eventually he got his visa. He spoke to me about accomodation and I told him he could put up with my family and when he is settled, he can start looking for one. While he was coming we asked him to help us bring food stuff which we were going to ask someone to buy and give to him and he told me point blank that he like doesn't travel with luggages. I was taken aback. So i needed to beg him and explained to him that he would not carry any load till he get to Newcastle his final destination and I promised to come and pick him at the airport. He agreed however he didn't come with any of the foodstuff except for my wife's laptop that someone took to meet him at the airport in Nigeria. His reason was that the payment system of the airline he used was not working and so there was no way to pay for additional luggage. My wife begged him to at least picked some dry fish but he insisted that he had his luggages to carry. So we cargoed our foodstuff. Because of that, my wife and her family insisted that I must not go and pick him at the airport which I agreed initially but later went to pick him. When I looked at the hours of layover he had at Doha and Heathrow and considering the fact that he would arrive Newcastle at 10:30pm, I went to pick him without my wife's consent though I explained to her sister when I took the kid to her house. Wify was on a night shift luckily that day. On my way to the airport, I called to let him know I was on my way when he had not even left Heathrow but when I got there my phone dropped and the screen shattered when I went to use the toilet. I can't receive any calls or make any. As a village boy I am, I stood at the international wing of the airport instad of the domestic wing. He arrived, was calling but I couldn't pick. Eventually we met after hours and the first thing he did was to attack me. 'I have been calling and waiting in the cold since, all those we came together have gone and I am the only one left. If I knew where I was going, I would have left since', he raged. I was going to retort but smiled and explained everything to him. Helped him with his luggages to where I parked and paid £25 for parking.

My wife wasn't happy with his stay and she showed it. It was like a pay-back moment for all the guy's behaviours to her in Naija but I would not have any of that. I ensured that they guy sit with us, eat with us, go to church with us, gave him numbers to call for jobs etc. When I felt my wife was taking things to far as she reported me to my mum that I hosted a stranger in this UK economy where things are expensive and my mum also started mounting pressure, I reported her to her sister too. I told her sister that I was not going to ask the guy to leave until he gets a job and I won't join my wife in not relating well to the guy. This became an issue between us which we later settled. I convinced her to forget the past as this should even be a lesson to us that we should always treat people well as you don't know where you will meet them again or when you will need their help. The guy started working and everybody was happy. One day wife raised a point that the guy was suppossed to buy even if it's ordinary bottle of milk and I quickly trashed that conversation. One day I wanted to get the rug cleaner in his room and I saw cans of drinks, cartons of McDonalds under his bed with groceries. He had gone to work / or class that day. To be candid, I felt somehow and spoke to my wife about what I found. At that point, I began to remeber all the guy's attitudes and they started getting to me. I remembered a day we wanted to go out without the kids and I asked if the kids could stay at home with him, he said no that he was going to have online lecture. Since then we always take them to a friend's place or wify sister's if we feel they shouldn't follow us even if he is at home. I remebered how he never for once asked if I had fixed my phone's screen or not, I remebered how he never asked if we have received the foodstuff he was to bring but we needed to cargo. I remebered how we, 4 of us are sleeping in one room, wife and the kids just for him to have his privacy. I remebered how our bills, water, electricity and gas had increased since he came and to God who made me, I never bothered about any of these for once. I felt someone is using me and I concluded to tell him to look for accommodation but I won't change my attitude to him. So I asked him about his search for accomodation and he said he was thinking about raising his school fees balance and that would take a while since he can only work for 20hrs in a week. I told him that he should look for the ones that are cheaper and since holidays are here, he can work full time to raise his balance. Besides, we are 4 sleeping in a room and it is not convenient for us. His body language confirmed he was not ready to leave so I started helping him to look for a shared apartment. I got one via a church member and he went there for inspection though he didn't want to go initially. His reason was that he was having an online lecture at the time they asked him to come which he must received at home. I spoke to the person and they said he could come at any time since they would be at home throughout the day. When I told the guy, he said he can't still go because of some group discussion he would have after the lecture bla bla bla. At that point, I told him that he needed to go because we are 4 in the room and it is not convenient for us. He went only for him to come back and tell me that he doesn't like this house. He said the house is close to his Uni but he just doesn't like it and that I shouldn't worry, he would leave by this weekend. 'No wahala', I said and since then he has been giving me attitude. He came back from work on Thursday morning, I opened the door, greeted him and he didn't answer. All along, he stays in his room and when food is ready, I would be the one to go and call him and he comes out immediately. But since Wednesday, when I go to call him for food, he won't come out until after 20 - 25 minutes. So this afternoon before I went to pick one of the kids from school, I called him to come and eat but he didn't answer. When I returned, I still met the food untouched. I wanted to call him again but I decided to face my project that is frustrating my life and then he came out to eat. He started saying a lot of things about him getting accommoation that I was not listening to. But the last thing he said made me to decide to put this here. I heard him said, 'I will leave when I get a good accommodation'. I just said okay, he ate his food and left for his room.

Please I need advise to handle this maturedly. Since he came none of his people called to say 'thank you' not even his girlfriend that we know. But I don't care at all as all I want is for him to leave as I don't want to continue to sacrifice the comfort of my family to someone who is unappreciative.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by phyl123: 5:48pm On Dec 09, 2022
babajeje123:
Advise needed please. I am begining to understand why most Nigerians here don't want to accomodate newcomers who are Nigerians. I accommodated a guy who is becoming difficult for me to handle just because I don't like w
Please I need advise to handle this maturedly. Since he came none of his people called to say 'thank you' not even his girlfriend that we know. But I don't care at all as all I want is for him to leave as I don't want to continue to sacrifice the comfort of my family to someone who is unappreciative.

Are there still people like you? Someone who said he doesn’t travel with luggage? You should listen to your wife, What I would have done is rented Hotel for him or AirBNB for one week after that he finds his way.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by CowbellY: 7:04pm On Dec 09, 2022
babajeje123:

I know but will I give him ultimatum or what? How will I explain to him again since he felt offended when I insisted he should go and check one on Wednesday only for him to return and say he doesn't like it.

Let him be offended. You are babajeje indeed. He has clearly shown he has no interest in being cordial with you. You’re the one still trying to nurture a relationship. I say cut him loose.

Give him the ultimatum. Let him know you’ll
Be forced to evict him if he doesn’t leave. He doesn’t pay rent right ?

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by semmyk(m): 8:21pm On Dec 09, 2022
There's the YouKay way and the 9ja way. Each comes in 2s
The 9ja way of accommodating and also gra gra.
There's the YouKay way of cold-shoulder and politeness (though can be passive aggressive!)
You've shown/given the YouKay politeness and 9ja accommodating. That's how it ought to be.
However, when things turn around, then the cold-shoulder comes in without the gra-gra. Though passive aggressive might be needed!

I'm a believer of the two-sided story. However, even at that, there's the on face value (prima facie).
In the circumstances, read up on @Ticha posts on room/house boarder. There's recourse in 'law' (without the need of 9ja gra-gra. All the best.
But then street #cold o!!! #JustSayingNio
PS: your 'friend' is not representative of Nigerians. That does not mean there're no 9ja like him.

By the way, seems you went against your own admonition to your wifey ... she showed it. It was like a pay-back moment for all the guy's behaviours to her in Naija but I would not have any of that ... You too wan show the guy for all his nonsensical nonsense behaviours since he moved in. wink smiley wink
babajeje123:
Advise needed please.
Now I am begining to understand why most Nigerians here don't want to accomodate newcomers who are Nigerians. I accommodated a guy who is becoming difficult for me to handle just because I don't like wahala. ... ...
He started saying a lot of things about him getting accommoation that I was not listening to. But the last thing he said made me to decide to put this here. I heard him said, 'I will leave when I get a good accommodation'. I just said okay, he ate his food and left for his room.

Please I need advise to handle this maturedly. Since he came none of his people called to say 'thank you' not even his girlfriend that we know. But I don't care at all as all I want is for him to leave as I don't want to continue to sacrifice the comfort of my family to someone who is unappreciative.

[UPDATED]
Ticha:

https://www.gov.uk/rent-room-in-your-home/your-lodgers-tenancy-type

See where it says reasonable notice? It's just that. What is reasonable to the home owner. Like I wrote earlier, if for any reason the home owner also calls the police be that out of malice or otherwise (which we cannot discount), your friend will be removed immediately. Also if no money is changing hands ie she's not actually paying rent but providing services for accommodation, then she is an excluded tenant as well so can be asked to leave without notice.

Her only recourse will be if they have a written contract that says otherwise ie states a specific notice period. However, your friend will have to take her to court to enforce that and where will she stay in the meantime?

It's easy to say she should fight and stay. How is she going to share a house, lounge, bathroom and kitchen with someone who does not want her there? That relationship is going to go south very, very quickly.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Punstar: 8:23pm On Dec 09, 2022
babajeje123:
Advise needed please.
Now I am begining to understand why most Nigerians here don't want to accomodate newcomers who are Nigerians. I accommodated a guy who is becoming difficult for me to handle just because I don't like wahala.
Just to let you know that there are cases like this from a few unreasonable Nigerians, and that you have nothing to lose other than an unfortunate fellow.
I know of a similar case, and I know how angry I felt when I heard about it.
This young lady is a deeper life member, a very calm and gentle lady. She got a three bed flat and the agent gave her all the keys so to find and/or show interested occupants around at her will. She then invited an older married woman who is her work colleague to one of the rooms, with the plan for the woman to regularise her rentage asap. This woman was eating the ladies food, never paid any bills and was not willing to rent the room. She spent months doing this for free and even kept malice with the deeper life lady when she reminded the woman that the agent would not trust her anymore if he finds out someone is leaving there free. The deeper life lady felt bad the relationship went sour and basically ended...but really it was better than accommodating or helping an ungrateful, selfish and inconsiderate freeloader.
Some people are better let off than helped.

Just so you know, if tables were to turn, this guy may not help you

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by babajeje123(m): 8:29pm On Dec 09, 2022
CowbellY:


Let him be offended. You are babajeje indeed. He has clearly shown he has no interest in being cordial with you. You’re the one still trying to nurture a relationship. I say cut him loose.

Give him the ultimatum. Let him know you’ll
Be forced to evict him if he doesn’t leave. He doesn’t pay rent right ?
He pays no rent
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by babajeje123(m): 8:44pm On Dec 09, 2022
semmyk:
There's the YouKay way and the 9ja way. Each comes in 2s
The 9ja way of accommodating and also gra gra.
There's the YouKay way of cold-shoulder and politeness (though can be passive aggressive!)
You've shown/given the YouKay politeness and 9ja accommodating. That's how it ought to be.
However, when things turn around, then the cold-shoulder comes in without the gra-gra. Though passive aggressive might be needed!

I'm a believer of the two-sided story. However, even at that, there's the on face value (prima facie).
In the circumstances, read up on @Ticha posts on room/house boarder. There's recourse in 'law' (without the need of 9ja gra-gra. All the best.
But then street #cold o!!! #JustSayingNio
PS: your 'friend' is not representative of Nigerians. That does not mean there're no 9ja like him.

By the way, seems you went against your own admonition to your wifey ... she showed it. It was like a pay-back moment for all the guy's behaviours to her in Naija but I would not have any of that ... [b]You too wan show the guy for all his nonsensical nonsense behaviours since he moved in. wink smiley wink[\b]
There's absolutely nothing like the bolder as I don't do that.


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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Solumtoya: 8:45pm On Dec 09, 2022
phyl123:


Are there still people like you? Someone who said he doesn’t travel with luggage? You should listen to your wife, What I would have done is rented Hotel for him or AirBNB for one week after that he finds his way.

Thank you! Even now, I will tell him everything he has done wrong, then tell him he's leaving immediately and I can bring out my money and rent airbnb of two days if he accepts, otherwise, he should prepare to come back the next time he leaves the house and see his luggage outside.

I once hosted my friend's family few months after arriving UK, but they were very pleasant, stayed for almost 2 months and the husband was sending me £75 every week to support bills.

Your guy needs to leave, if you're feeling too nice, like me, book Airbnb for him for two days, maybe £60, it's worth your peace of mind but you must let him know where he messed up cos of "tomorrow".

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by giselle237: 8:45pm On Dec 09, 2022
babajeje123:

He pays no rent
e be like I trust your wife better to handle this fellow. Therefore nothing to lose. He showed maintenance funds to UKVI, let him go and find his own place. I hate when people do this

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by fatima04: 8:51pm On Dec 09, 2022
@babajeje the post shows how gentle you are oo. Going to call someone for meals in your own house and after you paid for it, that's you being extra nice and absolutely not necessary.

You have to be very very FIRM and don't let anyone trample on you, your family or rights.
Sit him down and tell him emphatically that he needs to move out in so so time (a month is too much) but since you have been magnanimous enough why not and it will be easier if you don't collect a dime from him so he can move out with his bad behaviours.

Not collecting any money from him would also help you yarb in future and posterity but more importantly eviction if it comes to that level of force.

Don't let this discourage you from helping, but ONLY help people that have been nice to you, sacrificed lots for you in the past or people that ask for it. He would have sorted himself anyways...

Also, don't let anyone make you feel uncomfortable in your own house and infact let madam take over if you want to be the nice one grin

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by erico2k2(m): 8:51pm On Dec 09, 2022
babajeje123:
Advise needed please.
Now I am begining to understand why most Nigerians here don't want to accomodate newcomers who are Nigerians. I accommodated a guy who is becoming difficult for me to handle just because I don't like wahala. We lived in the same house in Nigeria and during those period we were never friends. We only exchanged greetings sometimes as he was very rude and proud. So when he got to know that I left Naija with my family, he became a 'friend', called me one day and asked for what he needed to do to come to the UK. I explained all I did without any reservations and advised him on what he needed to do. He applied to a University and a week to his resumption, he had not gotten his CAS. He was worried as he had sent so many emails and made calls to the Uni without a single reply, so I went to the Uni to ask for the reason for the delay as there was also no update on his application portal. The lady I spoke to was not going to converse with me but after some pressure, she spoke and from our conversation, it didn't appear he was going to get the CAS. I remembered a friend who is an Agent of the Uni and spoke to him, sent his details and the following day he got his CAS. No penny was collected. I guided him on how to apply for his visa which he got. Prior to him getting his visa, he was asked from the Home Office to forward additional documents like payslip etc and he was afraid of what to do. I connected him to a friend who had the same experience and that one guided him on additional docs he could send and eventually he got his visa. He spoke to me about accomodation and I told him he could put up with my family and when he is settled, he can start looking for one. While he was coming we asked him to help us bring food stuff which we were going to ask someone to buy and give to him and he told me point blank that he like doesn't travel with luggages. I was taken aback. So i needed to beg him and explained to him that he would not carry any load till he get to Newcastle his final destination and I promised to come and pick him at the airport. He agreed however he didn't come with any of the foodstuff except for my wife's laptop that someone took to meet him at the airport in Nigeria. His reason was that the payment system of the airline he used was not working and so there was no way to pay for additional luggage. My wife begged him to at least picked some dry fish but he insisted that he had his luggages to carry. So we cargoed our foodstuff. Because of that, my wife and her family insisted that I must not go and pick him at the airport which I agreed initially but later went to pick him. When I looked at the hours of layover he had at Doha and Heathrow and considering the fact that he would arrive Newcastle at 10:30pm, I went to pick him without my wife's consent though I explained to her sister when I took the kid to her house. Wify was on a night shift luckily that day. On my way to the airport, I called to let him know I was on my way when he had not even left Heathrow but when I got there my phone dropped and the screen shattered when I went to use the toilet. I can't receive any calls or make any. As a village boy I am, I stood at the international wing of the airport instad of the domestic wing. He arrived, was calling but I couldn't pick. Eventually we met after hours and the first thing he did was to attack me. 'I have been calling and waiting in the cold since, all those we came together have gone and I am the only one left. If I knew where I was going, I would have left since', he raged. I was going to retort but smiled and explained everything to him. Helped him with his luggages to where I parked and paid £25 for parking.

My wife wasn't happy with his stay and she showed it. It was like a pay-back moment for all the guy's behaviours to her in Naija but I would not have any of that. I ensured that they guy sit with us, eat with us, go to church with us, gave him numbers to call for jobs etc. When I felt my wife was taking things to far as she reported me to my mum that I hosted a stranger in this UK economy where things are expensive and my mum also started mounting pressure, I reported her to her sister too. I told her sister that I was not going to ask the guy to leave until he gets a job and I won't join my wife in not relating well to the guy. This became an issue between us which we later settled. I convinced her to forget the past as this should even be a lesson to us that we should always treat people well as you don't know where you will meet them again or when you will need their help. The guy started working and everybody was happy. One day wife raised a point that the guy was suppossed to buy even if it's ordinary bottle of milk and I quickly trashed that conversation. One day I wanted to get the rug cleaner in his room and I saw cans of drinks, cartons of McDonalds under his bed with groceries. He had gone to work / or class that day. To be candid, I felt somehow and spoke to my wife about what I found. At that point, I began to remeber all the guy's attitudes and they started getting to me. I remembered a day we wanted to go out without the kids and I asked if the kids could stay at home with him, he said no that he was going to have online lecture. Since then we always take them to a friend's place or wify sister's if we feel they shouldn't follow us even if he is at home. I remebered how he never for once asked if I had fixed my phone's screen or not, I remebered how he never asked if we have received the foodstuff he was to bring but we needed to cargo. I remebered how we, 4 of us are sleeping in one room, wife and the kids just for him to have his privacy. I remebered how our bills, water, electricity and gas had increased since he came and to God who made me, I never bothered about any of these for once. I felt someone is using me and I concluded to tell him to look for accommodation but I won't change my attitude to him. So I asked him about his search for accomodation and he said he was thinking about raising his school fees balance and that would take a while since he can only work for 20hrs in a week. I told him that he should look for the ones that are cheaper and since holidays are here, he can work full time to raise his balance. Besides, we are 4 sleeping in a room and it is not convenient for us. His body language confirmed he was not ready to leave so I started helping him to look for a shared apartment. I got one via a church member and he went there for inspection though he didn't want to go initially. His reason was that he was having an online lecture at the time they asked him to come which he must received at home. I spoke to the person and they said he could come at any time since they would be at home throughout the day. When I told the guy, he said he can't still go because of some group discussion he would have after the lecture bla bla bla. At that point, I told him that he needed to go because we are 4 in the room and it is not convenient for us. He went only for him to come back and tell me that he doesn't like this house. He said the house is close to his Uni but he just doesn't like it and that I shouldn't worry, he would leave by this weekend. 'No wahala', I said and since then he has been giving me attitude. He came back from work on Thursday morning, I opened the door, greeted him and he didn't answer. All along, he stays in his room and when food is ready, I would be the one to go and call him and he comes out immediately. But since Wednesday, when I go to call him for food, he won't come out until after 20 - 25 minutes. So this afternoon before I went to pick one of the kids from school, I called him to come and eat but he didn't answer. When I returned, I still met the food untouched. I wanted to call him again but I decided to face my project that is frustrating my life and then he came out to eat. He started saying a lot of things about him getting accommoation that I was not listening to. But the last thing he said made me to decide to put this here. I heard him said, 'I will leave when I get a good accommodation'. I just said okay, he ate his food and left for his room.

Please I need advise to handle this maturedly. Since he came none of his people called to say 'thank you' not even his girlfriend that we know. But I don't care at all as all I want is for him to leave as I don't want to continue to sacrifice the comfort of my family to someone who is unappreciative.
change the lock .If he causes obstruction or problems diall 911,he would be xcorted out of the area

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by babajeje123(m): 9:09pm On Dec 09, 2022
giselle237:
e be like I trust your wife better to handle this fellow. Therefore nothing to lose. He showed maintenance funds to UKVI, let him go and find his own place. I hate when people do this
He told me around 3pm that he was going for inspection but he hasn't gone out till now.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by babajeje123(m): 9:12pm On Dec 09, 2022
fatima04:
@babajeje the post shows how gentle you are oo. Going to call someone for meals in your own house and after you paid for it, that's you being extra nice and absolutely not necessary.

You have to be very very FIRM and don't let anyone trample on you, your family or rights.
Sit him down and tell him emphatically that he needs to move out in so so time (a month is too much) but since you have been magnanimous enough why not and it will be easier if you don't collect a dime from him so he can move out with his bad behaviours.

Not collecting any money from him would also help you yarb in future and posterity but more importantly eviction if it comes to that level of force.

Don't let this discourage you from helping, but ONLY help people that have been nice to you, sacrificed lots for you in the past or people that ask for it. He would have sorted himself anyways...

Also, don't let anyone make you feel uncomfortable in your own house and infact let madam take over if you want to be the nice one grin
Madam will scatter everywhere which I don't want
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by CowbellY: 9:14pm On Dec 09, 2022
babajeje123:

Madam will scatter everywhere which I don't want

Talk to the guy then put madam on notice so she can scatter if it needs scattering. By that time you'll have settled it with your conscience.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Dawl: 9:17pm On Dec 09, 2022
This your story is very touching and full of strength and unwavering determination and I'm happy it all turned out well for you. I'm also in the process of going for a PGCE in computing (secondary).

Yemsot:
My journey so far in the UK. (Please pardon my long epistle. This is to encourage someone.)

I came to the UK in 2020 via student visa for PGCE Primary with QTS (Initial Teacher Training) in the University of Wolverhampton. Training to be a teacher in the UK was not an easy feat for me (I did not have time for myself, neither could I do any part-time job until summer.) We had lectures Monday to Friday from 9am till 4pm, after which we were given loads of assignmnents. We had two placement blocks - one during the autumn term and the other from spring 2 term till the end of summer term. During the placement days we were going to our placement schools like teachers (i.e full-time). My first placement went smoothly in key stage 1, but trouble started during my second placement. I was placed in a challenging school in Walsall with students that have aggressive behaviours (year 6). I struggled with my teachers' standards and at the end the placement was declared a failed one in June. I was told I could resit the failed placement in the next academic year at no cost but for teacher training, you can only resit a placement once; I also had to look for a school myself. Furtunately for me, during the summer holiday, I was able to get a school in Norwich that was ready to take me in as a student teacher and I could start in September.
September came, and I started my 13-week placement with no issues. The school was a nice one with pleasant children. There was no indication of me not performing well until my university moderating tutor (UMT) came during the 6th week. Then she put in place a cause fior concern procedure saying I have not met some standards. I had a week to meet these standards, otherwise, it would be declared a failed placement. At the end of the 7th week, the cause for concern was reviewed and I was told I was making progress but not enough, therefore the cause for concern has been extended for another week. At the end of the eighth week when it was reviewed, they said though I had made progress, they do not feel that I could meet the teachers' standards within the five weeks remaining, therefore the placement was terminated. I was dejected and sad because my QTS journey ended there and I could not get a licence to teach in the UK. I was now told to complete and alternative assessment for me to pass the remaining academic module so that I can have a PGCE but without a QTS.

THE TROUBLE
When the placement was first terminated in June, I contacted the school's UKVI compliance office to inform them and to let them know that I would need an extension of my study visa (my visa was expiring in 31 December) because I had to resit the placement in the next academic session. The response I got was to wait till November before applying for the extension. When November came, my resit placement was terminated on the 12 but I still had the alternative assignment to do. Then I contacted the UKVI compliance office again for the extension of my visa. They contacted my faculty and lo and behold, the faculty said they did not have any reason to sponsor me since I would not be attending classes again. Meanwhile, I informed my department that I would need my result to be able to apply for the graduate visa, so, they told me to hand in to assignment on time so that it can be marked and the result collated. The result for that module was ready but the school's board was not going to sit on results until January 2022, whereas, my visa was expiring December 2021. The UKVI compliance office then sent me a mail telling me that they could not issue me a new CAS, also that they contacted the home office and they were told that I would not be eligible for the graduate visa because I did not gain the QTS with my PGCE, therefore, I should just go back to my country - even without having my result.

MY DILEMA
At that point I did not know what to do. I didn't want to go back home neither did I want to remain in the UK as an illegal immigrant.

RESOLUTION
An aunt now advised me to apply for the student visa extension using the old CAS (she said that as long as I put forward an application before my visa expires, I will remain legal until a decision is made). This application was to buy us some time to figure out available options since application within UK takes 8 weeks. Therefore, I had 8 weeks to figure things out. Lo and behold, the only option left was applying for a masters course with the PGCE. All the schools I applied to asked me to defer my application to the September intake. Even Wolverhampton was just staring at my application with no respon. Consequently, no way out.
The school did not tell me when my final result would be ready. The only mails from them was to ask about my travel preparations; if I had left the country, or if I had applied for another visa to remain in the country, in short, they wanted to know my immigration status in the country.
5 weeks after my visa application (19 January), I got a mail from the home office, requesting for a new CAS, saying the CAS I used has been used for my previous application. I was given 10 working days to provide the CAS after which a decision would be made on my application.

DAY 1 (Wednesday): I couldn't do anything.
DAY 2 (Thursday): Started getting contacts of immigration lawyers.
DAY 3 (Friday): Contacted all immigration lawyers I knew but had the same response from them - they couldn't do anything to help me.
School's UKVI compliance office sent a mail requesting for my immigration status as my visa was to have expired in December.
During that weekend I, with the encouragement of my parents, decided to mail the school (copying everyone I could). I couldn't get the VC's email, but was able to get hold of the DVC student's email. We just thought it is either the school give a favourable response or not. In the email, I itemised my plight, starting from who I am being an international student, and how I felt during the course of my studies. I even wrote that I felt I was not being supported as an international student doing teacher training in the school. Also in my mail, I said that instead of me being informed of when my result would be ready, I was being chased with depressing emails and I felt as if the school just wanted to send me away after paying a huge sum in school fees; and I was being denied the opportunity enjoyed by international students in other universities (which is the application for the graduate visa). I informed them that I applied for an extension of my student visa and that the home office is requesting a new CAS from the school.

DAY 4 (Monday): The DVC responded to the mail, and appointed the head of the UKVI compliance and the Director of the School of Education to look into the issue as a matter of urgency.
Day 5 (Tuesday): The head of the compliance office responded and said the school could no longer offer sponsorship as I didn't have to attend classes again. He even said that it was not a new thing for international students to return home before their final results was ready. Furthermore, he said that I had been told to return home but I applied for a visa extension on which a decision had not been made.
The director of the School of education also responded to say they will discuss the issues raised with my department.
DAY 6 (Wednesday): I responded to the head of compliance's mail informing him of the deadline the home office had given me. Also, I told him that I had to still be in the country to be eligible for the graduate visa, quoting the UKCISA website. Whilst referring to the UKCISA website, I said the school can still support a student visa extension if my visa expires and my results are not ready (stating that this did not require class attendance as was my case). I now wrote that I would need the student visa extension in order to be eligible for the graduate visa.
DAY 7 (Thursday): The same head of compliance responded saying he had given my case some thought and checked some issues with my faculty and said they believe they would have an option to suggest to me, saying I would be contacted later that day.
Later that day, the compliance office sent me a mail saying that my award of PGCE will be confirmed the following Monday - 31 January; and that the UKVI policy team had suggested (on 13 January) that I could go ahead to apply for the graduate visa with my PGCE - even without QTS. Therefore, they advised that I submit an application for the graduate visa, which will be a variation application to the student visa application. Furthermore, I was told that they would monitor my award with the faculty to ensure it is ready by Monday.
That very day, we arranged a meeting for Monday 31 January to submit my graduate visa application. They also requested my consent to write the home office on my behalf saying that the graduate visa application is to vary the student visa application I had made. So, I signed a consent form for them.
DAY 8 (Friday): Calmness
DAY 9 (Monday 31 January): This particular day was a battle. The school's board sat on results and awards were conferred but my student record was not updated until about 4pm in the evening. The compliance office was to send my award to home office before I submmit my application. When my records were updated, lo and behold, I was not awarded PGCE but post graduate credit! During our meeting that day they had to tell me that they couldn't send that result to the home office as it is not eligible for graduate visa; and that was not the award the faculty informed them I was going to be conferred. So, the head of compliance office said they would have to chase up the Academic registrar the following morning to sign an interim award for me pending the time the school's board will sit again. Consequently, my graduate visa application was halted.

NOTE: For graduate visa, the school sends the student's award to the home office, so the student does not have to upload award when applying for the visa.

DAY 10 (Deadline 1 February): In the morning, I mailed the head of my department and my course lead to let them know of the award I was conferred as opposed to what I was to be conferred and to ask why. Immediately, they responded that it shouldn't be and that they would look into the matter urgently. Throughout that morning, I heard nothing from the school until about 3pm when the head of compliance informed me that the interrim award has been signed by the academic registrar, and my award has been sent to the home office. Therefore, I could go ahead to submit my application.
I submitted my graduate application at about 4pm that afternoon. The compliance office also helped me to draft what would be my response to the request from the home office on my student visa application. I informed the home office that the student visa application was made with the notion that my course end date was July 2022, but my award had now been conferred by the school. Therefore, I had now applied for the graduate visa which was to vary the student visa application (quoting the reference numbers for the two applications).
The school also mailed the home office saying the same (also quoting the reference numbers for the two applications.)

The home office responded the following day, acknowledging my graduate visa application and therefore declared my student visa application as void from that day.

EXACTLY eight weeks after my student visa application, my graduate visa application was approved! I have now been granted the leave to remain in the UK for two years.

PS
I have started applying for jobs with employers that have sponsor license.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by donshegzy: 9:45pm On Dec 09, 2022
All I have to say is, No good deed goes unpunished.

While you were being a gentleman about this, you allowed him cross so many boundaries that your authority in that house is now threatened.

One of two things, you either stand your ground and put him out (change your locks if need be) or he’ll continue to freeload, eat your sweat, and disrespect you in your own home.

My 2 cent.

babajeje123:
Advise needed please.
Now I am begining to understand why most Nigerians here don't want to accomodate newcomers who are Nigerians. I accommodated a guy who is becoming difficult for me to handle just because I don't like wahala. We lived in the same house in Nigeria and during those period we were never friends.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by babajeje123(m): 9:56pm On Dec 09, 2022
Thanks all for your words. I've spoken to him and gave him till next week Friday or Saturday. He said he hasn't seen the one he likes that is affordable, the ones he like are expensive etc. I sha told him that I want us to get a house for him by next week Friday, latest Saturday.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by mimilyrics: 10:00pm On Dec 09, 2022
While at it, please keep all valuables safely locked away lest he thinks he's in the right and tries to take or destroy something important to you. People can be quite petty and vindicative when they think they are backed against the wall.
babajeje123:
Thanks all for your words. I've spoken to him and gave him till next week Friday or Saturday. He said he hasn't seen the one he likes that is affordable, the ones he like are expensive etc. I sha told him that I want us to get a house for him by next week Friday, latest Saturday.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by donshegzy: 10:13pm On Dec 09, 2022
You are far too kind and trusting.

As mimilyrics advised, keep all your valuables safe.

Also, I’ll trust your madam to handle this better because you’re the gentle person (you gave him till next week Friday or Saturday, so kind of you).

Please, let this also be a lesson that while women can sometimes be wrong, they’re often better judge of characters.

I wish you all the very best as you put this free loader out.

babajeje123:
Thanks all for your words. I've spoken to him and gave him till next week Friday or Saturday. He said he hasn't seen the one he likes that is affordable, the ones he like are expensive etc. I sha told him that I want us to get a house for him by next week Friday, latest Saturday.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by seunoj: 10:15pm On Dec 09, 2022
babajeje123:

He pays no rent
bros,
treat him the youkai way.
stop all the hospitality and make the ultimatum clear.
subtle threat of reporting him to police/school/home office wont be out of place.
I did rather pay for 1week's Airbnb as a gift than bring "anyone" to my abode. youkay no b naija

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by semmyk(m): 10:15pm On Dec 09, 2022
Interestingly, a year after Yemsot inspiring post, QTS will be 'relaxing' (Feb 2023)
Nigeria added to apply for QTS through the Teaching Regulation Agency (TRA)
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/apply-for-qualified-teacher-status-qts-if-you-teach-outside-the-uk/routes-to-qualified-teacher-status-qts-for-teachers-and-those-with-teaching-experience-outside-the-uk
NB: QTS through TRA is not for everyone. Those requiring PGCE/PGDE must continue as-is.
PS: this is not a binding advisory as contemplated in law/statutes
Dawl:
This your story is very touching and full of strength and unwavering determination and I'm happy it all turned out well for you. I'm also in the process of going for a PGCE in computing (secondary).
Yemsot:
My journey so far in the UK. (Please pardon my long epistle. This is to encourage someone.)
I came to the UK in 2020 via student visa for PGCE Primary with QTS (Initial Teacher Training) in the University of Wolverhampton. Training to be a teacher in the UK was not an easy feat for me (I did not have time for myself, neither could I do any part-time job until summer.) We had lectures Monday to Friday from 9am till 4pm, after which we were given loads of assignmnents. We had two placement blocks - one during the autumn term and the other from spring 2 term till the end of summer term. During the placement days we were going to our placement schools like teachers (i.e full-time). My first placement went smoothly in key stage 1, but trouble started during my second placement.
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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by giselle237: 10:28pm On Dec 09, 2022
babajeje123:
Thanks all for your words. I've spoken to him and gave him till next week Friday or Saturday. He said he hasn't seen the one he likes that is affordable, the ones he like are expensive etc. I sha told him that I want us to get a house for him by next week Friday, latest Saturday.
it will just be another 1 week of feeling uncomfortable in your home.. so unfair to you.. I know people like this .. let this 1 week be 1 week oo.. Sorry though

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Chinlov: 10:28pm On Dec 09, 2022
dupyshoo:
Based on what you have written, the guy is very selfish. You need to tell him to go. You have sacrificed enough.


Honestly, if truly na so e happen, your Christianity is worth emulating.... but for your own sanity and to even continue the heavenly race, he has to leave immediately before something bad happens....everyone has a limit
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Viruses: 10:33pm On Dec 09, 2022
babajeje123:
Advise needed please.


The problem is you love and care about him, even your writeup shows it because you are even looking for a 'matured' way to handle the issue. Sending him away will hurt him and you are too soft hearted to hurt him.

Leave him for your wife to deal with.
Just tell her that the stranger is hers to send away. If she ask for your help in achieving the goal help her by doing whatever she says.

Alternatively, when he goes out one day, lock everywhere and go spend the night in your in-laws place. He will have to stay in a hotel that night and from there move to his place.

You see this kind people, giving them attitude will not work because they are not loosing anything, they will keep tolerating your attitude.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Amarathripple0: 10:35pm On Dec 09, 2022
babajeje123:
Thanks all for your words. I've spoken to him and gave him till next week Friday or Saturday. He said he hasn't seen the one he likes that is affordable, the ones he like are expensive etc. I sha told him that I want us to get a house for him by next week Friday, latest Saturday.
If he doesn’t find a place in a week, Airbnb plenty; also you don’t have to pay for this for him as someone suggested as you’ve been more than kind already. He has a week to pack his bags so Las Las he’ll be alright!
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Preshyi: 10:38pm On Dec 09, 2022
Thanks for your kind words.
Amarathripple0:

Oh wow. I’m so sorry this happened to you. Yea, companies do not like negative reviews so I never mention glassdoor. When companies would ask what attracted me to the company or the role. Go to response is this " I saw the position and I thought I would be a good fit because of my xyz skills (basically what they wrote on the JD) then I follow up with, I would also love to work for a company like yours because your company is progressive , innovative and inclusive. And all of these elements combined attracted me to the role”
These companies all think they are inclusive, innovative and progressive so I used the same format for all of them.

Don’t worry, a better opportunity will come your way! You got this!!

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Preshyi: 10:41pm On Dec 09, 2022
Quite helpful. Thanks
koonbey:


I doubt that might been the cause though their view that you have the perception of the place as not offering growth opportunities may have led them to conclude you don't see it as a long-term place. In any case, I'd say downplay any negatives and just focus on the positives. And also, don't mention Glassdoor because they probably know (or will know if they check) that negative things were said about them there.

What I did that I'd advise, is do your research everywhere (including Glassdoor) but use LinkedIn as your reference when asked. You can talk about things like you've seen that many staff stay there for a long period, and that their staff seem engaged with the company's page and posts (if they are), which shows they are happy working there etc etc. Nobody posts negatives on LinkedIn so you can safely say you don't know any negative aspects.

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