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Dtruthspeaker:
You mean church goer not Christ-like (Christian) and church goers are atheists who have not yet admitted that they are one.

Christians love knowledge especially profitable knowledge.



Here is the latest observer
https://www.nairaland.com/7476395/why-atheists-attack-only-christianity



The word "findings" suggests we all can find whatever people say they found, in line with science which means "to know". So atheists should let us do our own findings, freely to see the Truth.

LOL its funny because if a Muslim converts to Christian I have never heard of the word a mosque goer, whenever someone decides to leave he automatically becomes a church goer. Saul who became Paul was a jew who persecute Christian before he turns to a Christian himself, he being praise has an example of Jesus power and not a wavering of faith, so I don't expect anything less from you. The only difference between you and I is that I love to read, and I know for a fact that you religion and Islam are an offshoot of Judaism and Judaism is an and ancient religion which evolve over time and the have thousand of script many which I seen, they are no different from the many cannanite religion exist then.

Blakjewelry:
LOL its funny because if a Muslim converts to Christian I have never heard of the word a mosque goer, whenever someone decides to leave he automatically becomes a church goer...

Now you are moving the post to Muslim when you are not a Muslim.

When a Muslim is in focus we would address him directly as I have directly addressed you, so, till the next argument.

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you are moving the post to Muslim when you are not a Muslim.

When a Muslim is in focus we would address him directly as I have directly addressed you, so, till the next argument.

Open your eyes and your mind you will see a clear picture of what I am painting or perhaps you see the truth and try to take a detour.

Blakjewelry:
Open your eyes and your mind you will see a clear picture of what I am painting or perhaps you see the truth and try to take a detour.

Exactly what a person says when selling a bad product.

Dtruthspeaker:
Exactly what a person says when selling a bad product.

You always refer to people who move away from your faith as mere church goer, but take delight in claiming a someone who left their faith to yours as strong former believer who now sees the light, so I try to point out such double standard you tried to divert with words that are not from your heart.
See I am not trying to sell anything to you, I am being in your shoes before, infact I have lived in both worlds to know better. But take this last words from me, people fears that which they cannot understand, religion strives on fear and ignorance, its just a means of control and without fear there is no no power to control.

Blakjewelry:
You always refer to people who move away from your faith as mere church goer, but take delight in claiming a someone who left their faith to yours as strong former believer who now sees the light, so I try to point out such double standard you tried to divert with words that are not from your heart.

I do not do that because people are shallow and think that all things in this life should be treated like clothes and cars which when they are tired of it, they cast them away and take up another one eg schools, jobs, wife, family, devotions etc.

They are rolling stones.

Thus, I really do not care if a Muslim or atheists or anyone decides to choose Christ for they would soon find that what they expected or hope to obtain will not be given to them so, they are going to move along to the next available option.

Blakjewelry:
See I am not trying to sell anything to you, I am being in your shoes before, infact I have lived in both worlds to know better. But take this last words from me, people fears that which they cannot understand, religion strives on fear and ignorance, its just a means of control and without fear there is no no power to control.

schools, jobs, wife, family, "shoes".

You were in my shoes but you did not learn what your shoes was teaching and neither did you know that you had the best shoes ready to take you through this life without breaking as the sandals of the Israelites sustained them through the wilderness.

And on the bold, this shoe gives "understanding" for this shoe leads you to The Owner of Understanding. "Understanding comes from God"

And therefore I fear not, for God is indeed the greatest and highest to fear and He is my Friend and Father, so there is no thing to fear.

Blakjewelry:
You always refer to people who move away from your faith as mere church goer, but take delight in claiming a someone who left their faith to yours as strong former believer who now sees the light, so I try to point out such double standard you tried to divert with words that are not from your heart.
See I am not trying to sell anything to you, I am being in your shoes before, infact I have lived in both worlds to know better. But take this last words from me, people fears that which they cannot understand, religion strives on fear and ignorance, its just a means of control and without fear there is no no power to control.

I agree that one can become discouraged
I agree that one can stop being a christian due to loss of loved one, hypocrisy or selfish reasons not actualised

True religion is not built on fear and ignorance
If you feel that other religion is that way and choose to reject all, it is like someone saying all currencies are bad and he won't use any currency cos he has been scammed severally from those that exchange money

Aemmyjah:
I agree that one can become discouraged
I agree that one can stop being a christian due to loss of loved one, hypocrisy or selfish reasons not actualised

There in lies the problem, you think you understand the mind of an average atheists, i am here just for discussion and not trying to convince anyone to leave their faith, in fact my belief is that religion is very very important, because it helps to keep many people evil contained. Non of these things you mentioned is associated with me, infact I have evolved above all these perty human sentiment, my view is quite different, like when I look up in the sky, my mind interpretes a total different thing to what your mind interpretes. The stories of the early israelite movement and the creation stories will wow you like it once did I, but today my mind creates a different pictures based on evidence on hand, so you don't expect to see the world like I do.
One you all refuse to accept is, less than a thousand years from now, your religion will be extinct like thousands before it.

Dtruthspeaker:
I do not do that because people are shallow and think that all things in this life should be treated like clothes and cars which when they are tired of it, they cast them away and take up another one eg schools, jobs, wife, family, devotions etc.

They are rolling stones.

Thus, I really do not care if a Muslim or atheists or anyone decides to choose Christ for they would soon find that what they expected or hope to obtain will not be given to them so, they are going to move along to the next available option.



schools, jobs, wife, family, "shoes".

You were in my shoes but you did not learn what your shoes was teaching and neither did you know that you had the best shoes ready to take you through this life without breaking as the sandals of the Israelites sustained them through the wilderness.

And on the bold, this shoe gives "understanding" for this shoe leads you to The Owner of Understanding. "Understanding comes from God"

And therefore I fear not, for God is indeed the greatest and highest to fear and He is my Friend and Father, so there is no thing to fear.

From your comments it's shows why Nigeria stagnant, you see people who move and search for better knowledge as been flawed forgetting that, the default state of man is curiousity. It is that curiousity that has lead man to the state were he is today. The Whites are still curious, they brought the religion you practice today but it funny you the black man says African is now taking Christianity to the world, when those who brought has move on in search of better knowledge.
Most of your bunch are afraid whether you admit it or not, afraid of what await you when you die, afraid poverty, witch or one or more calamity will befall you if you are not religious, non of these bother. I don't need some of threat to do what is right.
I don't steal because it will hurt me if someone takes what I work for, I cheat because I believe who I am dating is human like me, I don't struggle not to because I brain perfectly decide whats good and what is bad. You see we need religion to cage the likes of you who are not ready for the evolution.

Blakjewelry:
From your comments it's shows why Nigeria stagnant, you see people who move and search for better knowledge as been flawed forgetting that, the default state of man is curiousity.

I don't see it as flawed I subscribe to learning and improvement. But In my learning I learnt that some learnings are completely useless and I did not gain anything from it.

And I like a great lot of things and I want to acquire them. Thus, I have learnt to pursue only thise things that I want.

Any unprofitable thing is not for me and I would not pursue it but I watch others pursue them to see if I might be wrong.

But in the end I am right, they got nothing, so I continue my pursuits.

Eg using your
"I don't steal because it will hurt me if someone takes what"

I do not steal because after the stealing, the thief even looses both the proceeds of his stealing along with his lawful possessions (and this is apart his disgrace, shame, lowering, beating, insult, prison time and death like Ekweremadu now or yahoo yahoo boys). Loss, Loss, Loss. Not profitable.

Slow and steady, happy living in and with the goods you have already lawfully acquired in peace and sweet sleep which are things I love very much

Imagine if you were born into a Muslim or Hindu family. Your ideology and belief the system would not be like this. We all need to allow God to deal with the world he created and made without thinking any religion is the only way.

Dtruthspeaker:
Because Christianity is Truly A Representative an Office of God on earth.

Look and see any person or thing who Truly represents and reveals God in him, is subject of great attack, hot insult, anger and complaints all geared towards forcing the person to remove the God full attribute from himself or herself.

They pressurize the person up to the point of direct physical harm just so that the light of God is put off and put out eg a person who tries to be humble, omo, see attack and hot aggression, abuse and humiliation..

M.I even confessed this when he said humility was very hard.

https://www.nairaland.com/6947835/humility-doesnt-work-here-singer#109530589

Humility greatly annoys devils such that they are almost violent against such a person if not that God Protects the humble. (What the naturally humble were never told) .

But let the person swell and be proud, see praises and honour and even much respect "big boy, when I grow up I want to be like you".

Same attack for people who say that they want to stay chaste, no smoking and drinking. That is when you devils start pressing and pressing with plenty of wicked osho free just to make sure that they fall as was done to this boy.

https://www.nairaland.com/7476867/neighbours-lured-me-into-smooking

It is a fact, the people of the world attack everything which God has Said it is good to do! Eg humility, chastity, goodness, kindness etc.

Blizzy11:
Imagine if you were born into a Muslim or Hindu family. Your ideology and belief the system would not be like this. We all need to allow God to deal with the world he created and made without thinking any religion is the only way. ..

No matter our initial start point, as we grow up we all know Truths and Lies and the Truth is that any person who chooses to see the Truth in any matter, Truth has a way of showing itself.

Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' away. Elvis Presley

We have all grown up and discovered dome things which we were given as Truth were lies and we even suspected and questioned them

So Truth is not blocked because one was born a Muslim or Hindu.

And the presence of threats and force are not the Ways of Truth. Truth is too big and strong and sure to threaten anyone who does not accept it. Truth does not do that but without a doubt we see that it is liars and wicked people who issue threats and promises to forcefully compell compliance.

Dtruthspeaker:
No matter our initial start point, as we grow up we all know Truths and Lies and the Truth is that any person who chooses to see the Truth in any matter, Truth has a way of showing itself.

Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' away. Elvis Presley

We have all grown up and discovered dome things which we were given as Truth were lies and we even suspected and questioned them

So Truth is not blocked because one was born a Muslim or Hindu.

And the presence of threats and force are not the Ways of Truth. Truth is too big and strong and sure to threaten anyone who does not accept it. Truth does not do that but without a doubt we see that it is liars and wicked people who issue threats and promises to forcefully compell compliance.

LOL easier said than done, your belief today is as a result of years of mental conditioning.

Blakjewelry:
You always refer to people who move away from your faith as mere church goer, but take delight in claiming a someone who left their faith to yours as strong former believer who now sees the light, so I try to point out such double standard you tried to divert with words that are not from your heart.
See I am not trying to sell anything to you, I am being in your shoes before, infact I have lived in both worlds to know better. But take this last words from me, people fears that which they cannot understand, religion strives on fear and ignorance, its just a means of control and without fear there is no no power to control.

Looks like this is the first time you're interfacing with DLieSpeaker. Dude is a certified dissemblist. It doesn'ts matter what you're debating on, he just twists and turns and gets himself in a muddle, then tell you you r changing posts. Mad Max has inherited that trait too. Ignore them

Blakjewelry:
LOL easier said than done, your belief today is as a result of years of mental conditioning.

"We each walk the paths that we have chosen" DMX

Blakjewelry:
There in lies the problem, you think you understand the mind of an average atheists, i am here just for discussion and not trying to convince anyone to leave their faith, in fact my belief is that religion is very very important, because it helps to keep many people evil contained. Non of these things you mentioned is associated with me, infact I have evolved above all these perty human sentiment, my view is quite different, like when I look up in the sky, my mind interpretes a total different thing to what your mind interpretes. The stories of the early israelite movement and the creation stories will wow you like it once did I, but today my mind creates a different pictures based on evidence on hand, so you don't expect to see the world like I do.
One you all refuse to accept is, less than a thousand years from now, your religion will be extinct like thousands before it.

Lol
Then your ATHEISM has nothing reasonable to offer to humanity
There's nothing better you can contribute as an atheist

Aemmyjah:
Lol
Then your ATHEISM has nothing reasonable to offer to humanity
There's nothing better you can contribute as an atheist

Stay bound nobody let those who decide left be. My mind is unlocked, I am free to question and probe, my mind and thought has no limitations, no fear. What you call inspiration behind the bible and other religious books are nothing more than the thought of men, same thing is happening today. Go to the church you will hear God told, write that down 1000 years later some scribe decides to filter and compile then feed them to the likes of you.
You think your creation story is unique? Go and read ancient Egyptian and mesothelioma creation stories, theirs predate the Jewish history, infact Abraham is from mesothelioma so you should know the Jewish creation story originate from there then modified over the years. Your Bible was never a single book rather fragments from ancient Jewish people which were modified over time, so if you use your brains limitations to stay put nobody is complaining beside without religion most of you guys will be maniac and savages, you need to be contained.

Blakjewelry:
Stay bound nobody let those who decide left be. My mind is unlocked, I am free to question and probe, my mind and thought has no limitations, no fear. What you call inspiration behind the bible and other religious books are nothing more than the thought of men, same thing is happening today. Go to the church you will hear God told, write that down 1000 years later some scribe decides to filter and compile then feed them to the likes of you.
You think your creation story is unique? Go and read ancient Egyptian and mesothelioma creation stories, theirs predate the Jewish history, infact Abraham is from mesothelioma so you should know the Jewish creation story originate from there then modified over the years. Your Bible was never a single book rather fragments from ancient Jewish people which were modified over time, so if you use your brains limitations to stay put nobody is complaining beside without religion most of you guys will be maniac and savages, you need to be contained.

Well, you can force me to drop my beliefs
As an atheist, tell us how life and the universe came into existence and the purpose of your existence

Blakjewelry:
Stay bound nobody let those who decide left be. My mind is unlocked, I am free to question and probe, my mind and thought has no limitations, no fear. What you call inspiration behind the bible and other religious books are nothing more than the thought of men, same thing is happening today. Go to the church you will hear God told, write that down 1000 years later some scribe decides to filter and compile then feed them to the likes of you.
You think your creation story is unique? Go and read ancient Egyptian and mesothelioma creation stories, theirs predate the Jewish history, infact Abraham is from mesothelioma so you should know the Jewish creation story originate from there then modified over the years. Your Bible was never a single book rather fragments from ancient Jewish people which were modified over time, so if you use your brains limitations to stay put nobody is complaining beside without religion most of you guys will be maniac and savages, you need to be contained.

I have told him how scammy his bible is but he thinks I'm hating. Even gave him the link to one of those ancient books, the Epic of Gilgamesh, but he never bothered to read

PS. Its Mesopotamia not mesothelioma. Mesothelioma is a lung disease. Anyway, I know its a typo. Nice one bro

Aemmyjah:
Well, you can force me to drop my beliefs
As an atheist, tell us how life and the universe came into existence and the purpose of your existence

Why is it when you guys are presented with facts, you get all defensive and say we can't force you to drop or change your belief. No one is forcing you. Last I checked its theists that harass us to change our belief right on the road, bus and even when we're in our own house

Fools
They know that same books talk about the earth as coming into existence when gods were struggling with other gods. They quote books they know nothing about

Blakjewelry:
Stay bound nobody let those who decide left be. My mind is unlocked, I am free to question and probe, my mind and thought has no limitations, no fear. What you call inspiration behind the bible and other religious books are nothing more than the thought of men, same thing is happening today. Go to the church you will hear God told, write that down 1000 years later some scribe decides to filter and compile then feed them to the likes of you.
You think your creation story is unique? Go and read ancient Egyptian and mesothelioma creation stories, theirs predate the Jewish history, infact Abraham is from mesothelioma so you should know the Jewish creation story originate from there then modified over the years. Your Bible was never a single book rather fragments from ancient Jewish people which were modified over time, so if you use your brains limitations to stay put nobody is complaining beside without religion most of you guys will be maniac and savages, you need to be contained.

Just as you're maniac and savage with your friend Jaephoenix
See what the world is turning into
Many who claim to be religious are actually hypocrites
Many are not religious too
When everyone put their desires first, the world becomes chaotic

If man evolved from apes, why and where and when and how did man become religious? Was it needed for survival?

jaephoenix:
Why is it when you guys are presented with facts, you get all defensive and say we can't force you to drop or change your belief. No one is forcing you. Last I checked its theists that harass us to change our belief right on the road, bus and even when we're in our own house

Lol
Today you say it is facts
Tomorrow, you say you're still speculating
Have you applied what Max told you to reset that organ in your skull?

Aemmyjah:
Well, you can force me to drop my beliefs
As an atheist, tell us how life and the universe came into existence and the purpose of your existence

Nobody is forcing you to abandon your faith, I see humanity before I see religion. I am if I am to meet you today your belief system does not matter to me, I will never ask you of it, I will take you as the man you present.
On the part of creation and about the universe, we do not have all the answers but there physical evidence we can see. While you believe the earth was Created some thousand years ago, we believed it billions of years ago and how it came to be is known because has we speak such activities are still going right now. Suns rather star are being and planets are being formed in nebulas, science have the tools and means to capture these activities light years away, well some Christian scholars has argued about God creating a self sustained, the truth is those evidence can not be ignored.
Yes life can only be found yet on the earth because venus through very similar to earth is failed planet, Mars loss it ocean billions of years ago and the universe is very very big, it does stop the possibility of earth like planets revolving around their host star.

Blakjewelry:
Nobody is forcing you to abandon your faith, I see humanity before I see religion. I am if I am to meet you today your belief system does not matter to me, I will never ask you of it, I will take you as the man you present.
On the part of creation and about the universe, we do not have all the answers but there physical evidence we can see. While you believe the earth was Created some thousand years ago, we believed it billions of years ago and how it came to be is known because has we speak such activities are still going right now. Suns rather star are being and planets are being formed in nebulas, science have the tools and means to capture these activities light years away, well some Christian scholars has argued about God creating a self sustained, the truth is those evidence can not be ignored.
Yes life can only be found yet on the earth because venus through very similar to earth is failed planet, Mars loss it ocean billions of years ago and the universe is very very big, it does stop the possibility of earth like planets revolving around their host star.

I never said the earth was created some thousand years ago
It could be million years or billion years but it had a beginning
The position of the earth in its solar system is what made it possible for it to have water
If it were closer or nearer the sun, it would not have been possible
The claim of Mars losing oceans of water is mere speculation

It is only creationist that says that Earth was created in six 24 hour days or some thousand years ago. The Bible does not say that

Aemmyjah:
Just as you're maniac and savage with your friend Jaephoenix
See what the world is turning into
Many who claim to be religious are actually hypocrites
Many are not religious too
When everyone put their desires first, the world becomes chaotic

If man evolved from apes, why and where and when and how did man become religious? Was it needed for survival?

LOL it's only religious folks who have brought violence throughout history. Nothing is new, through history man has always been greedy yet there is always some p who stand in the side of truth. Were did you hear man originate from apes. Maybe you need to go back to science class.

Blakjewelry:
LOL it's only religious folks who have brought violence throughout history. Nothing is new, through history man has always been greedy yet there is always some p who stand in the side of truth. Were did you hear man originate from apes. Maybe you need to go back to science class.

Lol
Stalin was not an atheist?
Khumer of Cambodia was not an atheist?
Mussolini was not an atheist?
The list is endless

Will ATHEISM bring world Peace? No, never!

Blakjewelry:
LOL it's only religious folks who have brought violence throughout history. Nothing is new, through history man has always been greedy yet there is always some p who stand in the side of truth. Were did you hear man originate from apes. Maybe you need to go back to science class.

Ask Jaephoenix to explain how man evolved or originate from apes and not me

Blakjewelry:
LOL it's only religious folks who have brought violence throughout history. Nothing is new, through history man has always been greedy yet there is always some p who stand in the side of truth. Were did you hear man originate from apes. Maybe you need to go back to science class.

The book that urges us not to lie won't tell us lies about how man came to be
Only someone who was there before the universe appeared can tell us
Only the source of life can tell us how life came to be and not science that changes theories from time to time

Jehovah made the universe

Aemmyjah:
The book that urges us not to lie won't tell us lies about how man came to be
Only someone who was there before the universe appeared can tell us
Only the source of life can tell us how life came to be and not science that changes theories from time to time

Jehovah made the universe

Did the Koran ask people to lie? Have you reach budist books? Have you study Hinduism book? Tell me which religious text outside your faith ask you to lie? Non, my question to you is do you accept their own creation stories or what they teach? The answer is plane no, the way you think yours is superior so is their thinking bottomline is your thinking doesn't change reality and fact on ground.

Aemmyjah:
Ask Jaephoenix to explain how man evolved or originate from apes and not me

But I am the one having a discussion with you. I have not read any scientific journal which claims man originate from ape.

Blakjewelry:
But I am the one having a discussion with you. I have not read any scientific journal which claims man originate from ape.

Man is one of those cases that just happen.