E2easy:


You people are really funny! You claim to be Esan and you don’t even know your origin. Even Nnamdi Azikwe said “the reason why the Onitcha people are so proud and claim superiority to other Igbo tribes , it is because Onitcha were descendant of the Royal palace of Benin”

Anioma, Onitcha , Aniocha... Iduje-ogboko, all these Igbos speaking region claim ancestry to Benin. I don’t understand why Esan are now claiming to be Igbos , people who are claiming ancestry to Benin. Can’t you see you’re all foolish and don’t know your history?

Benin is the name for the state, Edo is the capital. But for political reasons , it was changed as Edo the state and Benin the capital. The Benin Empire has done so much for everyone in Edo to be proud of, so you people should stop your nonsense and senseless argument. It is better you change your mindset about each other’s , the earlier the better! Fools!

Atigba:


[s]Esans are not Benin or have anything, link with binis. The binis are Ife immigrants to Igodomigodo.

Esan are Idu children, same with Igbo, hope you get it now.

They were all living in ancient Igodomigodo before they were displaced from their ancestral land Idu by Ife imigrants.

Again those ethnic groups you mentioned above has nothing to do with binis. Binis dont speak Igbo. The fact that Onitcha, Anioma, Ikwere, Ika, Ekpeye and Etche traced their root to Edo State should convince you, the present occupants in Benin city are imposters.[/s]

Atigba:


Esans are not Benin or have anything, link with binis. The binis are Ife immigrants to Igodomigodo.

Esan are Idu children, same with Igbo, hope you get it now.

They were all living in ancient Igodomigodo before they were displaced from their ancestral land Idu by Ife imigrants.

Again those ethnic groups you mentioned above has nothing to do with binis. Binis dont speak Igbo. The fact that Onitcha, Anioma, Ikwere, Ika, Ekpeye and Etche traced their root to Edo State should convince you, the present occupants in Benin city are imposters.

E2easy:


You people are really funny! You claim to be Esan and you don’t even know your origin. Even Nnamdi Azikwe said “the reason why the Onitcha people are so proud and claim superiority to other Igbo tribes , it is because Onitcha were descendant of the Royal palace of Benin”

Malawian:


Ishan Language is with a whole lot of Igboish words that means the same thing, whereas, Bini language (though a whole lot similar to Ishan language) has very little Yoruba in it.

I have always wondered why Bini boys didn't roll heavily with Ishan boys back in school. They both had their own cliques made up of wholly men from their tribes.I am not too sure there is such kind of enmity between the two tribes though. Esan agbe Edo

sotall:

Yoruba man..
Leave Benin out of your complex!

Your divide and conquer has been rebuffed severally on this forum.

You are trying to divide Bini and Isan based on Language, which of the language do you understand and can speak fluently?


Pls update your knowledge on Nigerian languages, most languages spoken in southern Nigeria have few words with same meaning. It is so because of the cultural interaction with each other, nothing more.

Edo language and Yoruba language is like word and opposite. Listening to both you will know the people of both tribes are distinct.

Atigba:


Quiet

Esan language is not Bini language

Esan language is pure Idu language, the Benin language is fake language miss with Ife

Onogiede:
anyone that want to divide my beloved state just for selfish interest e.g IPOB he or she has fail already,..mind u all out here bini ,ishan are like root steam that can't never leave each other alone for anything,. please!! let end this matter like this,..

E2easy:


You people are really funny! You claim to be Esan and you don’t even know your origin. Even Nnamdi Azikwe said “the reason why the Onitcha people are so proud and claim superiority to other Igbo tribes , it is because Onitcha were descendant of the Royal palace of Benin”

Anioma, Onitcha , Aniocha... Iduje-ogboko, all these Igbos speaking region claim ancestry to Benin. I don’t understand why Esan are now claiming to be Igbos , people who are claiming ancestry to Benin. Can’t you see you’re all foolish and don’t know your history?

Benin is the name for the state, Edo is the capital. But for political reasons , it was changed as Edo the state and Benin the capital. The Benin Empire has done so much for everyone in Edo to be proud of, so you people should stop your nonsense and senseless argument. It is better you change your mindset about each other’s , the earlier the better! Fools!

of course, I still meet alot of those folks in Delta who keep talking of how it was a blessing to them cum the high standard the education came with then

pazienza:
Well, Esan people have affinity for Ndiigbo. They inter marry alot With Igbos in SE and in Anioma.
I have many Esan friends who are married to Igbo women. It can be hard to separate an Esan from an Igbo, by physical looks, we look so much alike. Our relationship with Esan must have been a very old and long one.
Uromi is a beautiful town, I enjoyed my stay there.
The average Esan man is stubborn and hate being subjected under authority, the resentment spirit, they are also too business minded, it's really interesting how they have alot of these traits associated with Ndiigbo, yet they are clearly not Igbos. I believe there must be a genetic connection.

Bini look like Edo people that mixed with Yorubas, this mixture become more apparent when you get to Usen, where they speak a distinct language that is a blend of Yoruba and Edo.
The way I see it, it appears like Bini and Esan were ancient brothers of the same parents. While the Ife(Yoruba ) arrivals made Bini distinct from Esan, contact with Igbos (Anioma) made Esan distinct from Bini, yet both are more related to each other than to Ndiigbo or Yorubas.

Just as Bini have Usen, a Bini town speaking an language that is a mixture of Yoruba and Bini, the Esan have Ekpon, an Esan town speaking a Language that is a mixture of Igbo(Ika) and Edo.

UGBE634:
This is what I hate about the yoruba people, you will just have a say confidently on what you cannot understand. We have a saying in Benin. It goes like this, Edo na ma ze se ore Esan, it means Edo not spoken well is Esan. We have heard the Esan dialect before coming to that conclusion.

The Esan dialect is a feed off of The Bini language, the difference between the two is more on intonation and pronunciation than actual words. Infact when you get a hold of a Bini and an Esan dictionary, the similarities of word in the word bank is up to 75 to 80 percent in most of their clans. It is certainly more but I can defend 75 to 80 percent.

You see the switch in language In Edo musicians but they are Esan born. Agbons Omoregie and John Omoregie dominating the Bini music industry are Esan born from Ohordua, Uwelu boy is from Uromi, Nowamagbe I heard is from Uromi too but they are dominating the Bini music scene because the 2 dialects and the switch is not hard.

I have seen about two books now, where Esan was called a dialect of Bini, alongside with the saying of my father's which I came to meet that Edo na ma ze se ore Esan. They were not wrong, they Observed the language before making a conclusion. That Edo not spoken well is Esan.

I wonder how a man from Yoruba Or Igbo would be conclusive on a dialects he completely have no understanding on as to the point of challenging those who understands it without proof. It is like me coming to tell you that Egba is not intelligible with Ijebu, when I don't understand the language, it is insane, you can never catch me in such discussions, worse off without proof.

Lipscomb:
I just believe the saying that Edo people and isan people are enemy of each other.
I wonder why the two parties not work toward peace and unity of their state.
I have edo guy who want to marry an isan girl,and the both parents are against the marriage. They accuse each other of bad luck and unfortunate being.

This is damn serious.

Atigba:


Benin don't have a language but dialect of Esan language.

The Benin speak Esan language mixed with the dialect spoken in Ille ife.

Esan language has many dialects, unlike bini language of today that dont have a dialect.

Benin language is a dialect of Esan language

UGBE634:
my write up was not to prove superiority over any language, as I actually believe we are one, if you actually know the story of Oronmiyan so well, you will know that Oronmiyan migrated to Benin in 1200, and Esans migrated from Benin enmasse some 200 years later during Oba Ewuare's reign, in essense, what must have corrupted Benin corrupted Esan too.

Benin is with three dialects, The central tongue spoken by 90 percent of Benin clans, Oza, Ehor which sound like Esan, I would Even add Igueben which is considered Bini by you guys and by Okogie, and also the entire Esan clans which are regarded as Bini dialects by language scholars

"The Bini or Edo language together with the Esan dialect"

okpalaAnambra:

This one was borrowed from Igbo naw

If u see mbaise person and snake , kill the mbaise person first

Atigba:


Forget the fake document you attached. I have alot of those documents to prove to you Bini language is a dialect of Esan language.

I can see clearly where your problem is coming from.

Esan language has many dialects and Igueben, Ekpon speak dialects of Esan language not Bini.

If your language don't have a dialect like Benin, you are not qualified to be called a language. The reason I said, Bini is a dialect of Esan.

Those places you mentioned in Benin close to Esan are all indegenous Esan who were mistakenly cut into Edo South during local government creation.

Orominyan came to Igodomigodo in 13 century, If I go to archeological studies done in a place he settled and the palace built by the Oba.

You clearly have no clue about the history of Esan or Benin. It is either you are ignorant or you are just being deceptive.

The language we speak evolved from the Nok cultural zone around 850BC. Not just Esans, but Urhobos, Owan, Etsako, Isoko, Degama, Epie Atissa etc. According to linguistic experts like Elugbe.

You see.. you are ignorant.

If you are basing Esan foundation on some Esans who migrated southward to found Igodomigodo and they retured in 14 century due to Oba hostility. It means you are a baby historian.

Esan has the oldest archeological settlement in Edo State dated 500A.D by Patrick Darling.

It was the Binis who came out from Esan this period and migrated southward looking for a settlement in the southern rain forest.

According to Patrick Darling and linguistic authors...this period 500AD. That is about 2000 years, the language of Esan and Bini separated in ESANLAND not in Benin.

The only reason the Binis don't speak Esans today is because of imigrants in Yorubas that mixed with them in 13 century.

Today, the Binis speak Pigin Esan, mixed with Ife Ikedu dialect. With no authentic parient language.

Bini language is a dialect of Esan language.

Don't tell me about EDOID nonsense. Edo historically is a name of a sl@ve boy who saved Oba Ewuare from danger not a tribe or language.

I hope this help you.

UGBE634:
you are a yoruba man, I would rather take the words of Hans melzian ( a qualified linguist scholar) over yours a nobody

Standard Bini has 3 dialect, Central Edo, Oza and Ehor, ,okojie included Igueben making it four, I would take the words of Okojie(a qualified historian over you a nobody,

Linguistic scholar has always classified all of Esan as dialects of Benin alongside with Oza and Ehor

The inhabitants of the village of Oza near the eastern boundary of the division not far from Igbanke, speak a different dialect that is easily understood by other Bini speakers and it is considered as Bini

Atigba:


I an Esan not Yoruba.

Benin only have one language, the Oza people are not Bini. Ehor people are mostly indigenous Esans because of their proximity to Esan kingdoms. Yoruba Ife Ikedu dialects didn't influence them. Like others in central Benin where the Yorubas settled.

You are a li** ar which linguistic expert classified Esan language as Bini dialect.

What Professor Elugbe did was to choose a name to call our languages which stemmed from the Niger Benue Confluence area. It was Oriakhi in Benin who propagate Edo language just the way you are making fabrications now.

I disagreed with the Edo narrative. Because Edo was a sl@ve not a language or tribe.

See a book by Dr. HARUNA, what Professor Elugbe said about our language and migration.

Stop quoting Okojie because you have never read his book.

The dictionary screenshot you have there is a fraud composed in Benin. This is not even a history book. Thank God you said dictionary ��

UGBE634:
first of all you are a bloody yorubastard

Second you said Bini has only one dialect, which I have debunked with that excerpt, Ozas are Edos and they identify fully as such, I am sure you might have your self beheaded if you go say it in their community that they are not Binis, There are enough Musicians from Oza extract in Benin, Fabomo, iyonawman stanley, Naomi Ehigie, Richard Ugiagbe, and others

Ehor are part of the seventy families in Benin and each of them greet a certain way, their dialect is unique because of their proximity to Esan and yes we can still understand it and we accept them as full Binis,

The Ehor greet Dela-Eho, this family salutation is what goes to cement their "Bininess" as

The Person that classified Esan as Edo or Bini dialects is a qualified linguist which is more important in this case Hans melzian is a known name in the world of linguistics, what about Atigba, he is a nobody

Okojie is a foremost Nigerian historian, he is from Esan and he is well known, I am not Okojie, what about Atigba, he is a nobody

Okojie added Igueben to it,I am not Okojie, Okojie is an insider and verified, that is why he is aware Igueben is Bini linguistically, Atigba an imposter whose place of origin cannot be verified

Atigba:


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You are a fraud.

You can't even spell Okojie well. Show me his book where he classified Igueben kingdom founded by Esan warrior called Eben as speaking Bini language. Igueben speak Esan dialect.

I am Esan.

Oza people are not Bini or Edo.

Is Igbanke Bini?

The answer is No.

In Edo South, there are many ethnic nationalities there. Igbanke, some Oza who are majorly in Delta. Itsekiri, Usen, Ijaws etc.

Ehor people are descendants of Esan and they are not Bini originally. Hence, their linguistic is more or less Esan. They weren't influenced by Yoruba speakers who are mostly settled in Central Benin.

Benin speak a dialect of Esan but mixed with Ife ikedu dialect.

Our languages evolved from the Niger Benue Confluence area.

Benin language separated from Esanland in 500AD.

The natives in Benin are imigrants from Esanland.

The Yorubas came to dwell among them via Orominyan in 13 century.

UGBE634:
yoruba man shut up, I spelt it as Okojie, Esan native law and customs, Usens are Bi-linguals and are Edos,

Ehor are full Edos and they identify as such, the same with Oza, their uniqueness in language is because of the border proximity to Esans and nothing more, it is the same thing with other tribes at every border in other states, Igbankes are not Edos

If you go to Oza and say they are not Edos, you might be beheaded yoruba man, I am very certain of that, Hans melzian is a qualified linguist scholar and she regards the Esan as dialects of Bini

Atigba:


Lol


Stop lying. Oza is not Edo. Usen fully speak Yoruba dialect as their history trace them back to Ille Ife. Same with your Oba.

Ehor people are Esan descendants.

Edo is not a tribe or language.

UGBE634:
when the nobody from Osogbo has lost an argument, he resorts to tantrums

Even pry 2 student know Usen are Bi-linguals, and they are part of the seventy families in Benin, I don't see how Ekpon will be Esan and Usen is not

Ozas are full Edos and they regards themselves as such,we regard them as such too cry me a river yorubastard

Ehor are full Edos and regards themselves as such, cry me a river slow yorubastard

Igueben is regarded as Bini by an insider Okojie, cry me a river

Esan dialect is regarded by qualified linguist as an Edo dialect

Atigba:


What is Bin-lingual ...Lol.

Usen people are Yoruba like your Oba.

Oza people are not Edo or Bini


The original Benin language stemmed from Esanland in 500AD, before it was influenced by Yoruba imigrants.

UGBE634:
my yoruba brother,stop claiming what you are not, Usens speak both Edo and Yoruba, it is common knowledge Even to a 2 year old in Edo state, except for the imposter nobody called Atigba, my Oba is not yoruba, you might be beheaded for calling him such

Atigba:


Lol....VERY GOOD.

You have started admitting the truth, that Usen people even speak Yoruba. Haha Haha.

Oba is a Yoruba

UGBE634:
you are an idiot, same way Ekpon speak Ika(an Igboid dialect and Esan, that is the same way Usen speak Usen, (a yoruboid language) related or close to yoruba and Edo, is that not what I meant by Bilingual, or are you a slowpoke, where did I ever deny they speak yoruboid language alongside Edo how they got it is even debatable, they are very close to yorubaland, it might just still be border issues, same way with Ehor and Ekpon,

The Oba is not Yoruba, he identifies as Edo, he speaks Edo only, and all names they bore up till date are totally intelligible to Edos, the Oba will behead you for calling him yoruba, I promise you

Atigba:


He is Yoruba..
Lol


That is your history book little one. You don't even read your history.

Oba of Benin and Usen people are proudly Yorubas.

The natives in Benin are proudly Esan descendants.