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Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by Atigba: 7:46pm On Aug 31, 2020 |
E2easy: Esans are not Benin or have anything, link with binis. The binis are Ife immigrants to Igodomigodo. Esan are Idu children, same with Igbo, hope you get it now. They were all living in ancient Igodomigodo before they were displaced from their ancestral land Idu by Ife imigrants. Again those ethnic groups you mentioned above has nothing to do with binis. Binis dont speak Igbo. The fact that Onitcha, Anioma, Ikwere, Ika, Ekpeye and Etche traced their root to Edo State should convince you, the present occupants in Benin city are imposters. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by Nobody: 8:40pm On Aug 31, 2020 |
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Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by allcomage: 4:26am On Sep 01, 2020 |
Atigba:You made a lot of believable sense. My mind tells me what you said is right having been to all these places especially uromi, what I observed there set me thinking . |
Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by Donarozzi: 6:26pm On Sep 17, 2020 |
E2easy: On the history of Onitsha and Umuezechima clan... https://www.nairaland.com/2727354/ezechime |
Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by sotall(m): 7:00pm On Sep 17, 2020 |
Malawian:Yoruba man.. Leave Benin out of your complex! Your divide and conquer has been rebuffed severally on this forum. You are trying to divide Bini and Isan based on Language, which of the language do you understand and can speak fluently? Pls update your knowledge on Nigerian languages, most languages spoken in southern Nigeria have few words with same meaning. It is so because of the cultural interaction with each other, nothing more. Edo language and Yoruba language is like word and opposite. Listening to both you will know the people of both tribes are distinct. 1 Like |
Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by Malawian(m): 7:22pm On Sep 17, 2020 |
sotall:Actually, I am Igbo. |
Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by Onogiede(m): 8:28pm On Sep 17, 2020 |
anyone that want to divide my beloved state just for selfish interest e.g IPOB he or she has fail already,..mind u all out here bini ,ishan are like root steam that can't never leave each other alone for anything,. please!! let end this matter like this,.. |
Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by UGBE634: 7:42pm On Nov 09, 2022 |
Atigba:This is what I hate about the yoruba people, you will just have a say confidently on what you cannot understand. We have a saying in Benin. It goes like this, Edo na ma ze se ore Esan, it means Edo not spoken well is Esan. We have heard the Esan dialect before coming to that conclusion. The Esan dialect is a feed off of The Bini language, the difference between the two is more on intonation and pronunciation than actual words. Infact when you get a hold of a Bini and an Esan dictionary, the similarities of word in the word bank is up to 75 to 80 percent in most of their clans. It is certainly more but I can defend 75 to 80 percent. You see the switch in language In Edo musicians but they are Esan born. Agbons Omoregie and John Omoregie dominating the Bini music industry are Esan born from Ohordua, Uwelu boy is from Uromi, Nowamagbe I heard is from Uromi too but they are dominating the Bini music scene because the 2 dialects and the switch is not hard. I have seen about two books now, where Esan was called a dialect of Bini, alongside with the saying of my father's which I came to meet that Edo na ma ze se ore Esan. They were not wrong, they Observed the language before making a conclusion. That Edo not spoken well is Esan. I wonder how a man from Yoruba Or Igbo would be conclusive on a dialects he completely have no understanding on as to the point of challenging those who understands it without proof. It is like me coming to tell you that Egba is not intelligible with Ijebu, when I don't understand the language, it is insane, you can never catch me in such discussions, worse off without proof. 2 Likes
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Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by NaMe4: 8:24pm On Nov 09, 2022 |
Onogiede: Bini, Esan, Afemai are the same people. Same history, same heritage, same language. It is persons not from Edo State who go about looking for means to sow seeds of discord. Some even form rubbish groups on social media. All to end in futility. They are being watched. |
Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by NaMe4: 8:46pm On Nov 09, 2022 |
E2easy: The person you're quoting is not Esan! It's an Igbo man impersonating online. No be today. They are all over the internet confabulating links and even ownership of lands southwards from Usman Danfodio's Territory. Just ignore and allow them waste their time. |
Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by FreeStuffsNG: 9:09pm On Nov 09, 2022 |
of course, I still meet alot of those folks in Delta who keep talking of how it was a blessing to them cum the high standard the education came with thenThey should thank Pa Obafemi Awolowo the Benefactor and Godfather of Ambrose Folorunsho Alli |
Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by UGBE634: 9:36pm On Nov 09, 2022 |
pazienza:Binis are not mixed with yoruba, look at the lame example you gave, it is expected that communities at border areas should be bilingual, Usen is at the western bank of Benin. And also Usen does not speak a mixture of Benin or Edo and yoruba language. They speak Edo or Benin whole, completely intelligible to Fabomo or Chris Idahosa from Oza. Then they speak also a yoruboid dialect. It is not a mixture. And also Usen is also a lame example given the fact there are far bigger communities in the Bini tribe like Benin city, Urhonigbe, Oza,Ugo, Udo Iguobazuwa,Ekiadolor and several hundreds of smaller Bini communities,and at most Usen would make up two percent of the Bini tribe The dialectical similarities show that Bini and Esan were actually one group before their migration to their present abode from Benin in the 15th century. Any thing that would make Bini mixed already came to Benin before the 15th century. It was these mixed Binis that later went on to become Esan. We call them Edo ni san fia( meaning Edos that fled into the Bush) Edos that could not withstand the harsh laws made by Oba Ewuare after the death of his two sons. The little difference in dialect today is as a result of being away from the mother stock for about 600 years. Hence the saying in Benin, Edo na ma ze se ore Esan. Edo not spoken well is Esan. A further proof to this is the igueben dialects which is the last to migrate is considered Bini by Esans themselves 2 Likes |
Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by Atigba: 7:30pm On Jan 01, 2023 |
UGBE634: Benin don't have a language but dialect of Esan language. The Benin speak Esan language mixed with the dialect spoken in Ille ife. Esan language has many dialects, unlike bini language of today that dont have a dialect. Benin language is a dialect of Esan language |
Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by StreetFight: 7:55pm On Jan 01, 2023 |
Lipscomb: Both parties are right. |
Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by baretalk: 8:23pm On Jan 01, 2023 |
Don't use one family issue, to paint the whole state. You people are dumb, everyone is not same. |
Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by UGBE634: 2:51pm On Jan 03, 2023 |
Atigba:my write up was not to prove superiority over any language, as I actually believe we are one, if you actually know the story of Oronmiyan so well, you will know that Oronmiyan migrated to Benin in 1200, and Esans migrated from Benin enmasse some 200 years later during Oba Ewuare's reign, in essense, what must have corrupted Benin corrupted Esan too. Benin is with three dialects, The central tongue spoken by 90 percent of Benin clans, Oza, Ehor which sound like Esan, I would Even add Igueben which is considered Bini by you guys and by Okogie, and also the entire Esan clans which are regarded as Bini dialects by language scholars "The Bini or Edo language together with the Esan dialect" 1 Like
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Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by Atigba: 5:51pm On Jan 03, 2023 |
UGBE634: Forget the fake document you attached. I have alot of those documents to prove to you Bini language is a dialect of Esan language. I can see clearly where your problem is coming from. Esan language has many dialects and Igueben, Ekpon speak dialects of Esan language not Bini. If your language don't have a dialect like Benin, you are not qualified to be called a language. The reason I said, Bini is a dialect of Esan. Those places you mentioned in Benin close to Esan are all indegenous Esan who were mistakenly cut into Edo South during local government creation. Orominyan came to Igodomigodo in 13 century, If I go to archeological studies done in a place he settled and the palace built by the Oba. You clearly have no clue about the history of Esan or Benin. It is either you are ignorant or you are just being deceptive. The language we speak evolved from the Nok cultural zone around 850BC. Not just Esans, but Urhobos, Owan, Etsako, Isoko, Degama, Epie Atissa etc. According to linguistic experts like Elugbe. You see.. you are ignorant. If you are basing Esan foundation on some Esans who migrated southward to found Igodomigodo and they retured in 14 century due to Oba hostility. It means you are a baby historian. Esan has the oldest archeological settlement in Edo State dated 500A.D by Patrick Darling. It was the Binis who came out from Esan this period and migrated southward looking for a settlement in the southern rain forest. According to Patrick Darling and linguistic authors...this period 500AD. That is about 2000 years, the language of Esan and Bini separated in ESANLAND not in Benin. The only reason the Binis don't speak Esans today is because of imigrants in Yorubas that mixed with them in 13 century. Today, the Binis speak Pigin Esan, mixed with Ife Ikedu dialect. With no authentic parient language. Bini language is a dialect of Esan language. Don't tell me about EDOID nonsense. Edo historically is a name of a sl@ve boy who saved Oba Ewuare from danger not a tribe or language. I hope this help you. |
Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by omonnakoda: 6:16pm On Jan 03, 2023 |
okpalaAnambra:I think it was borrowed from Yoruba If you see an Ibo man and a snake,,...,... |
Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by UGBE634: 7:07pm On Jan 03, 2023 |
Atigba:you are a yoruba man, I would rather take the words of Hans melzian ( a qualified linguist scholar) over yours a nobody Standard Bini has 3 dialect, Central Edo, Oza and Ehor, ,okojie included Igueben making it four, I would take the words of Okojie(a qualified historian over you a nobody, Linguistic scholar has always classified all of Esan as dialects of Benin alongside with Oza and Ehor The inhabitants of the village of Oza near the eastern boundary of the division not far from Igbanke, speak a different dialect that is easily understood by other Bini speakers and it is considered as Bini 1 Like
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Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by Atigba: 7:37pm On Jan 03, 2023 |
UGBE634: I am Esan not Yoruba. Benin only have one language, the Oza people are not Bini. Ehor people are mostly indigenous Esans because of their proximity to Esan kingdoms. Yoruba Ife Ikedu dialects didn't influence them. Like others in central Benin where the Yorubas settled. You are a li** ar which linguistic expert classified Esan language as Bini dialect. What Professor Elugbe did was to choose a name to call our languages which stemmed from the Niger Benue Confluence area. It was Oriakhi in Benin who propagate Edo language just the way you are making fabrications now. I disagreed with the Edo narrative. Because Edo was a sl@ve not a language or tribe. See a book by Dr. HARUNA, what Professor Elugbe said about our language and migration. Stop quoting Okojie because you have never read his book. The dictionary screenshot you have there is a fraud composed in Benin. This is not even a history book. Thank God you said dictionary ��
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Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by UGBE634: 7:52pm On Jan 03, 2023 |
Atigba:first of all you are a bloody yorubastard Second you said Bini has only one dialect, which I have debunked with that excerpt, Ozas are Edos and they identify fully as such, I am sure you might have your self beheaded if you go say it in their community that they are not Binis, There are enough Musicians from Oza extract in Benin, Fabomo, iyonawman stanley, Naomi Ehigie, Richard Ugiagbe, and others Ehor are part of the seventy families in Benin and each of them greet a certain way, their dialect is unique because of their proximity to Esan and yes we can still understand it and we accept them as full Binis, The Ehor greet Dela-Eho, this family salutation is what goes to cement their "Bininess" as The Person that classified Esan as Edo or Bini dialects is a qualified linguist which is more important in this case Hans melzian is a known name in the world of linguistics, what about Atigba, he is a nobody Okojie is a foremost Nigerian historian, he is from Esan and he is well known, I am not Okojie, what about Atigba, he is a nobody Okojie added Igueben to it,I am not Okojie, Okojie is an insider and verified, that is why he is aware Igueben is Bini linguistically, Atigba an imposter whose place of origin cannot be verified 1 Like
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Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by Atigba: 8:08pm On Jan 03, 2023 |
UGBE634: ���� You are a fraud. You can't even spell Okojie well. Show me his book where he classified Igueben kingdom founded by Esan warrior called Eben as speaking Bini language. Igueben speak Esan dialect. I am Esan. Oza people are not Bini or Edo. Is Igbanke Bini? The answer is No. In Edo South, there are many ethnic nationalities there. Igbanke, some Oza who are majorly in Delta. Itsekiri, Usen, Ijaws etc. Ehor people are descendants of Esan and they are not Bini originally. Hence, their linguistic is more or less Esan. They weren't influenced by Yoruba speakers who are mostly settled in Central Benin. Benin speak a dialect of Esan but mixed with Ife ikedu dialect. Our languages evolved from the Niger Benue Confluence area. Benin language separated from Esanland in 500AD. The natives in Benin are imigrants from Esanland. The Yorubas came to dwell among them via Orominyan in 13 century. 1 Like |
Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by UGBE634: 8:13pm On Jan 03, 2023 |
Atigba:yoruba man shut up, I spelt it as Okojie, Esan native law and customs, Usens are Bi-linguals and are Edos, and they Identify as such just as it is with Ekpon who are Bi-linguals and are Esans Ehor are full Edos and they identify as such, the same with Oza, their uniqueness in language is because of the border proximity to Esans and nothing more, it is the same thing with other tribes at every border in other states, Igbankes are not Edos If you go to Oza and say they are not Edos, you might be beheaded yoruba man, I am very certain of that, Hans melzian is a qualified linguist scholar and she regards the Esan as dialects of Bini 1 Like
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Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by Atigba: 8:20pm On Jan 03, 2023 |
UGBE634: Lol Stop lying. Oza is not Edo. Usen fully speak Yoruba dialect as their history trace them back to Ille Ife. Same with your Oba. Ehor people are Esan descendants. Edo is not a tribe or language. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by UGBE634: 8:25pm On Jan 03, 2023 |
Atigba:when the nobody from Osogbo has lost an argument, he resorts to tantrums Even pry 2 student know Usen are Bi-linguals, and they are part of the seventy families in Benin, I don't see how Ekpon will be Esan and Usen is not Ozas are full Edos and they regards themselves as such,we regard them as such too cry me a river yorubastard Ehor are full Edos and regards themselves as such, cry me a river slow yorubastard Igueben is regarded as Bini by an insider Okojie, cry me a river Esan dialect is regarded by qualified linguist as an Edo dialect 1 Like
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Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by Atigba: 8:31pm On Jan 03, 2023 |
UGBE634: What is Bin-lingual ...Lol. Usen people are Yoruba like your Oba. Oza people are not Edo or Bini The original Benin language stemmed from Esanland in 500AD, before it was influenced by Yoruba imigrants. Edo was a sl@ve boy not a language or tribe. 1 Like
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Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by UGBE634: 8:33pm On Jan 03, 2023 |
Atigba:my yoruba brother,stop claiming what you are not, Usens speak both Edo and Yoruba, it is common knowledge Even to a 2 year old in Edo state, except for the imposter nobody called Atigba, my Oba is not yoruba, you might be beheaded for calling him such OZAS are full Binis and we consider them as such, that is the most important thing, Ehor Ehor are also full Binis and we consider them as such same with Usen 1 Like
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Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by Atigba: 8:41pm On Jan 03, 2023 |
UGBE634: Lol....VERY GOOD. You have started admitting the truth, that Usen people even speak Yoruba. Haha Haha. Oba is a Yoruba
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Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by UGBE634: 8:50pm On Jan 03, 2023 |
Atigba:you are an idiot, same way Ekpon speak Ika(an Igboid dialect and Esan, that is the same way Usen speak Usen, (a yoruboid language) related or close to yoruba and Edo, is that not what I meant by Bilingual, or are you a slowpoke, where did I ever deny they speak yoruboid language alongside Edo how they got it is even debatable, they are very close to yorubaland, it might just still be border issues, same way with Ehor and Ekpon, The Oba is not Yoruba, he identifies as Edo, he speaks Edo only, and all names they bore up till date are totally intelligible to Edos, the Oba will behead you for calling him yoruba, I promise you Just open up, I know you are from Osogbo 1 Like |
Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by Atigba: 8:55pm On Jan 03, 2023 |
UGBE634: He is Yoruba.. Lol That is your history book little one. You don't even read your history. Oba of Benin and Usen people are proudly Yorubas. The natives in Benin are proudly Esan descendants. 1 Like |
Re: Why Bini And Isan Can't Just Settle Their Differences. by UGBE634: 8:59pm On Jan 03, 2023 |
Atigba:That already tell me you are yoruba my brother, yorubas have always been known for their imposter nature The Oba will behead you for calling him yoruba even you will not be spared by the Usen people if you call them such, the Oba, the Usens and every other groups in Edo south except Igbankes, less than 30,000 Ijaws and the about 8-10 thousand native Itsekiris identify as Edo and are so proud of their Edo identity. Take care little one Idiot did not even know that there are pure Binis in delta and Ondo, they identify as such, we have some that migrated to Benin city here, go and tell the Oza-nogogo maths teacher from delta state based in france in culture section that he is not Edo and watch your head leave your body if you tell him physically. That guy is more aggressive towards Edo activities more than we from Edo state, 2 Likes
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