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Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by elonmuskbaby: 11:13am On Mar 12, 2023
Amotolongbo:
What is now the difference between this and gambling (bet9ja, sportybet, Baba Ijebu) they were condemning to be a sin?
if you get sweet mouth and you Sabi package well,you Sabi social media branding and marketing you go see fresh fishes Catch
Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by jesusjnr2020(m): 11:13am On Mar 12, 2023
SmellingAnus:
Prosperity gospel is very important in the Kingdom however , it depends on how it is been delivered and the motive behind it ... Many religious leaders have used it as a tool to scam innocent naive people... Like Benny Hinn will say, the gospel is free but the means of delivering the gospel is not free ... He spends millions of dollars almost on monthly basis to either be on air (TBN) or to organize a crusade ... That is why I say prosperity gospel is important... Even in Bible times, there are people that gave their lands, properties . I believe in Balanced message.
Sorry but i don't agree with that idea. The so-called 'prosperity gospel' is not the same as prosperity neither does is guarantee prosperity.

There are many who have preached the gospel successfully and effectively to the ends of the earth without having to preach that antichrist gospel.

For instance, Billy Graham, Reinhard Bonnke to name but a few. They preached the gospel of Christ in obedience to Christ commandments and God provided for His work.

So there's no excuses for preaching such a gospel which is misleading and shifts focus from the things of God to the material things of this world.

That's what Benny Hinn learnt after decades of walking in this error.

I don't believe in a balanced message but the Gospel of Christ which goes against the doctrines of the 'prosperity' gospel.
Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by bakobenjamin198: 11:14am On Mar 12, 2023
ictplotter:

Same propaganda you hav be brainwashed with just because they don't want you to see the truth. Do you hav any Quran verse to support those your blackmailing. The truth hav come the darkness must disappear, Islam is the fast growing faith today in America, Europe, Asia, Africa etc.
"Fast growing," what has the "fast growing added to your life?" What has it contributed to humanity order than death, sorry, pains and agony? Ever since Islam was discovered, the world has never known peace. One thing you should know is that, if not for Islam, the world would have been a beautiful and peaceful place to live in.

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Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by incandescentena: 11:15am On Mar 12, 2023
LOL
Peppysco:


Hmmm, stop blaming the poor woman, if only you knew the damages these religious institutions, most especially the crooked pastors, have done to people's mental strength, you wouldn't blame her.
The powerful mind control gimmick, arm twisting and misinterpretation of the word, inciting fears in the minds of followers and many more are all to strong for their members to resist.
I get your point. Let me ask you; DO YOU THINK THIS SAME WOMAN WOULDN'T FALL AGAIN FOR THESE CROOK RELIGION PASTORS AGAIN IF DECEIVED?
Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by ednut1(m): 11:16am On Mar 12, 2023
They deserve to be scammed. Gullible christians
Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by Peppysco: 11:26am On Mar 12, 2023
incandescentena:
LOL I get your point. Let me ask you; DO YOU THINK THIS SAME WOMAN WOULDN'T FALL AGAIN FOR THESE CROOK RELIGION PASTORS AGAIN IF DECEIVED?

She definitely will fall. The mental defense system of most Africans is weak when it comes to religion.
The reason the G.O's and the pastors get away easily with their scams.
Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by olaeffect(m): 11:30am On Mar 12, 2023
Faber:
If you need a quick means to achieve results, go to native doctors...

As for church, no pastor can coerce God to answer your prayers. God answers when he wills.

Open your eyes, and stop being scammed by Pastorpreneurs

You say this only because story concerning fake native doctors don't make front page news😁

Na story of fake pastors dey always make big news.

That is to tell you that original pastors exist.

Jesus had 12 disciples buy na Judas popular pass, their hardly anybody that does not know the name Judas, naming the remaining 11 will be hard even for some so-called Christians. That is to tell you that the world and the people in it are more interested in fake pastors than original ones.
Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by SmellingAnus(m): 11:32am On Mar 12, 2023
jesusjnr2020:
Sorry but i don't agree with that idea. The so-called 'prosperity gospel' is not the same as prosperity neither does is guarantee prosperity.

There are many who have preached the gospel successfully and effectively to the ends of the earth without having to preach that antichrist gospel.

For instance, Billy Graham, Reinhard Bonnke to name but a few. They preached the gospel of Christ in obedience to Christ commandments and God provided for His work.

So there's no excuses for preaching such a gospel which is misleading and shifts focus from the things of God to the material things of this world.

That's what Benny Hinn learnt after decades of walking in this error.

I don't believe in a balanced message but the Gospel of Christ which goes against the doctrines of the 'prosperity' gospel.
it's either you go to heaven as Abraham a wealthy man or as Lazarus a poor man... Either way both Abraham and Lazarus will make it to heaven that streets are made of Gold... We definitely don't serve a poor God... But I respect your views ..
Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by Kodak9(m): 11:33am On Mar 12, 2023
JASONjnr:
This is my problem with religious ladies and I will always run away from them...


The way religion is played in Nigeria, our senses is drawn into it....

Christianity is the reason why some of us don't reason properly...


Just like gambling, Christian pastors also extort money from its members religiously and they see nothing wrong with it.

I keep asking Nigerians to watch this movie... The messenger and the message

It's about what Christian is turned into... The excessive demands of funds and request to build this and that, all because they want to expand to receive more money from these branches....
bro that's Kenya not Nigeria
Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by Tonalphs(f): 11:33am On Mar 12, 2023
grin grin grin wahala for we wey nor dey go church year in year out. If we tell them that God is within, they'll think we're forming woke.
Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by FireUpNow(m): 11:39am On Mar 12, 2023
Lesson number one says never listen to those men with sweet tongues
Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by babaalagbo11(m): 11:48am On Mar 12, 2023
Hope you've received sense now ma.....

Go back to your root and your problem is solved already
Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by Rexxie234(m): 11:56am On Mar 12, 2023
Sorry ma... Shey if na me beg you $10 you go chase my with motar stick!
Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by dankorode(m): 12:00pm On Mar 12, 2023
psucc:
Dem no go see my shishi again. Imagine Church with POS machine and transfer for miracles.

haaa! where do you see that One?
Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by jesusjnr2020(m): 12:02pm On Mar 12, 2023
SmellingAnus:
it's either you go to heaven as Abraham a wealthy man or as Lazarus a poor man... Either way both Abraham and Lazarus will make it to heaven that streets are made of Gold... We definitely don't serve a poor God... But I respect your views ..
I respect yours as well, I believe though it takes the highest level of spiritual maturity to let it be up to God to decide these things as Jesus and the prophets and apostles had done, not to be dictating to God what to do. So if God decides to make Abraham rich and Elijah poor and vice versa, it will be, let His Will be done because He knows best.

That I believe is what pleases God most as depicted concerning the prayer of Solomon, because Solomon didn't seek after such or ask God for riches, but sought after the things of God and left it up to God to decide that, hence God made him the richest king as a result.

God may also consequently decide to make me become the richest man ever as king Solomon, but even if He decides not to, it's not my will but God's Will be done. That's the mindset of Christ and should be the same for any of His true followers.

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Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by optm(m): 12:04pm On Mar 12, 2023
Any church money is put at the fore before impact, run away from such places as God can never be there. The gift of God is free and cannot be bought with money
Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by babzo(m): 12:06pm On Mar 12, 2023
JASONjnr:


I keep asking Nigerians to watch this movie... The messenger and the message

It's about what Christian is turned into... The excessive demands of funds and request to build this and that, all because they want to expand to receive more money from these branches....

Is it a Nollywood movie?
Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by ictplotter(m): 12:11pm On Mar 12, 2023
bakobenjamin198:
I guess you a Yoruba Muslim that has never gone out of his little world of Southwest (that are liberals) thinking that is how it is done in the real Islamic world. I bet you, go to far North or Afghanistan, be in the gathering of some brethren and jokingly tell them that you have renounce Islam for Christianity and see if for a minute you could escape being linched by your so called brethren. I bet you, just take the risk by giving it a try and let's see, if you could live to tell the story. But you see, in Christianity, I can confidently standup in the gathering of millions and declare my intention and choice of new religion, and nothing will happen to me. So, that is the difference.
Same propaganda...
In every faith they are extremists, you talk about Afghanistan because of what the western and America have brainwash you with in media propaganda against Islam but they will not tell you that the world most dreaded terrorists today is Christian terrorists group called the LORD ARMY IN EAST AFRICA. Who go about killing children and women for not practicing Christianity but America and western media will not report about them because they have conquered and westernized Christianity as their faith and culture.
Go n research about the Lord Resistance Army Christian terrorists group in East and Central Africa.
Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by Autobot05: 12:13pm On Mar 12, 2023
Godszilla:


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-64881435

Good for her ...
The power of God can't be bought simple and short
Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by Sleekfingers: 12:15pm On Mar 12, 2023
It can only happen in Africa......they pray for anything . Looking for miracle up and down without doing the necessary.....

They pray for food , money , visa , to pass an exam etc

What a continent.....
Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by Faber(m): 12:16pm On Mar 12, 2023
olaeffect:


You say this only because story concerning fake native doctors don't make front page news😁

Na story of fake pastors dey always make big news.

That is to tell you that original pastors exist.

Jesus had 12 disciples buy na Judas popular pass, their hardly anybody that does not know the name Judas, naming the remaining 11 will be hard even for some so-called Christians. That is to tell you that the world and the people in it are more interested in fake pastors than original ones.

Among 1000 native doctors you can find 30% that are real.
But if you sample 1000 pastors, 5% are real...so which group get scammers pass 😎
Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by fredoooooo: 12:22pm On Mar 12, 2023
Mugu ...
Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by Odingo1: 12:24pm On Mar 12, 2023
ictplotter:
Thank God for ISLAM..... Eve with all the western and America blackmail of ISLAM is still the fastest and largest growing faith at today.
No matter how fast the falsehood may be, the truth must overtake it.
If you want to be spiritually lazy and stupid with your life, just be a Christian.
Seek the truth and only the truth can set you free, I have read about 19 different religion faith books but non is perfect except the Glorious Quran.

And if you (Arab pagans, Jews, and Christians) are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down (i.e. the Quran) to Our slave (Muhammad Peace be upon him), then produce a Surah (chapter) of the like thereof and call your witnesses (supporters and helpers) besides Allah, if you are truthful. But you will not and you can never do it. QURAN 2: 23-24
You think your Islam ☪️ is better than others. You kill for your gods. Mohammed copied the Bible to form Islam by sword.

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Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by God2man2again(m): 12:26pm On Mar 12, 2023
This practice is very rampant in Cotonou, payment before consulting the Pastor.

Fake Pastors alert!
Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by okwusdidi: 12:27pm On Mar 12, 2023
I hope all the pastors and reverend involved in this evil acts are reading this news.Let them see the problems they are causing in society.That is if they have conscience.
Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by Odingo1: 12:28pm On Mar 12, 2023
ictplotter:

Same propaganda...
In every faith they are extremists, you talk about Afghanistan because of what the western and America have brainwash you with in media propaganda against Islam but they will not tell you that the world most dreaded terrorists today is Christian terrorists group called the LORD ARMY IN EAST AFRICA. Who go about killing children and women for not practicing Christianity but America and western media will not report about them because they have conquered and westernized Christianity as their faith and culture.
Go n research about the Lord Resistance Army Christian terrorists group in East and Central Africa.
Muslims normally deny their killings even when Boko Haram is still killing people in Nigeria in the name of wagging Islamic Jihad.

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Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by Denoh68: 12:36pm On Mar 12, 2023
candidbabe:
This was how one IDIOTIC scammer that owns a ministry in Anambra state, masquerading as a prophet deceived his members on the 31st night 2022 to sow a painful seed so as to secure their blessings for the incoming year.

And my mum was on that crossover night and she marched forward and sowed a seed of #20000 .

I was mad when I heard about it and I told her NEVER AGAIN will she sow seed to any pastor that,if she repeat it again I will stop sending upkeep money to her.

All these so called prophets of today are CRIMINALS and ARMED ROBERS on the pulpit

ARRANT NONSENSE!!!!!!!

PAINFUL SEED, HAHAHAHA.E PAIN YOU HAHAHAHA
Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by MrColdsweat: 12:37pm On Mar 12, 2023
Honestly I hope tinubu or whoever becomes president ban churches because they do nothing but fuel foolishness in the minds of Christians.
Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by ictplotter(m): 12:38pm On Mar 12, 2023
Odingo1:

You think your Islam ☪️ is better than others. You kill for your gods. Mohammed copied the Bible to form Islam by sword.
Same propaganda without evident. But its commonly know between Saul himself and the Christians that Saul the tormentor, a serial killer, a rapist and persecutor of innocent souls wrote the 80% of new testament and the primary founder of Christianity today. 99% percent of what they preach in churches is either they quoting from the books of Saul in the new testament or quoting from the book of Moses of old testament but yet Jesus is the founder of Christianity. You just need to stupid spiritually to be a good Christian.
Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by Denoh68: 12:38pm On Mar 12, 2023
Helgreenluv:
Her story reminds me of the conman who calls himself a Bishop. He has frog eyes and he is in Canaanland. If you know you know
PLEASE BE CAREFUL,LET GOD JUDGE THESE MEN BY HIMSELF
Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by lomprico(m): 12:39pm On Mar 12, 2023
She is very stupid! And there are many stupid Christian like her.
Re: Paying For Prayer: I Went Into Debt, Trying To Secure A Miracle by SeriouslySense(m): 12:53pm On Mar 12, 2023
Wow, what is seed offering, lo. grin grin grin

So when she heard about a pastor whose prayers could make life better, she wanted to see him. He asked her for $115 (£96; 15,000 Kenyan shillings).

This is known as a "seed offering": a financial contribution to a religious leader, with a specific outcome in mind.


Sadly Sadly
"I believed in what the pastor told me, that I'll be able to secure a job. So I didn't have any problems with borrowing, because I thought eventually I'll be able to pay off the money."

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