All the people saying no hell, I feel very sorry for you.
Someone died last year in my presence and he was already feeling the heat of hell before he breathed his last.
He was telling us to throw him inside a river right there on his hospital bed. He was already being tormented by demons before he eventually died.
I think he was ready seeing demons by his reaction and the way he was behaving before he died.
Just know that the devil has blindfolded you if you are doubting the existence of hell.
I pray you don't realize that there is hell when it was already too late.
And for all of you questioning the Almighty GOd who created you, be very careful so that you don't eternally regret what you are saying now.
The Bible says: The way of the cross I fishnets to those that perish.
Before I got born-again, many things in the Bible did not make sense to me.
When the Holy Spirit takes up residence in you, you will receive divine wisdom.

sammysmiles:
Good afternoon Sir and a happy Sunday. I am having a pending issue at hand i would love if you could be of help. How can I reach you sir?

Send me a pm.

There is nothing like Hell fire sir. It's a lie you've been taught from birth. So it will be difficult for you to accept that it's a lie

chiboycue:




Don't be making statements that may stand against you on the day of judgemrnts

Na you dey go judge? Na ur judgement?

Shut up if you dont have any sound input in this convo.

johnstin:
All the people saying no hell, I feel very sorry for you.
Someone died last year in my presence and he was already feeling the heat of hell before he breathed his last.
He was telling us to throw him inside a river right there on his hospital bed. He was already being tormented by demons before he eventually died.
I think he was ready seeing demons by his reaction and the way he was behaving before he died.
Just know that the devil has blindfolded you if you are doubting the existence of hell.
I pray you don't realize that there is hell when it was already too late.
And for all of you questioning the Almighty GOd who created you, be very careful so that you don't eternally regret what you are saying now.
The Bible says: The way of the cross I fishnets to those that perish.
Before I got born-again, many things in the Bible did not make sense to me.
When the Holy Spirit takes up residence in you, you will receive divine wisdom.

Make i catch u for hell and heaven border dey try collect quickie. U see ur blokos, i go blow am.

There is no hell broda. People are tormented by demons on earth doesnt equate the tormented being in hell.

Ask urself does God know my very end? If yes why create me when he knew i will end up in Hell?

HE IS THE REAL SINNER HERE. Wake up and start developing ur life and environment and not waiting for one Judgement day.

Yansh niii ooooh

I will blame buhari and tinubu

jesusjnr2020:
Send me a pm.

OK Sir!

Fut9ure:
There is nothing like heaven and hell fire

Humans are not smart the way they pretend to be

Like i said Christianity, religion and God is an embarrassing human practice of convincing the mind to ignore common sense, logic, reason and evidence while blindly believing in ancient fairy tales. It encourages its followers to value faith over facts and reality. It makes its followers proud instead of being ashamed of thier ignorance

Now if you ask what is keeping them alive they will say it is the grace of God

You see how humans are dumb

So you mean God is giving you a preferential treatment and watching the rest of his children die


So if you have the grace of God what about forty thousands of people that died in Turkey earthquake

Are you telling me no single person among the forty thousands of people have the grace of God

You are a great critical thinker God bless u..

That's wat religion has brought us into in Nigeria of. Today

Brainmytool:
Hell would be fun.

All these pretty girls would be there. There would be people who can reason logically and not under the brainwash of an assumed deity. All those beautiful cars and wonderful food.

For starters, there wont be self-righteous people who look down on others there. Those ugly girls wont be there too.

And if you think those beautiful cars, houses, great food would be in heaven, you are mistaken. Who do you think designed them? Na the free thinkers nah.

The only food in heaven would be thanksgiving and praises. You go sing tire like LG home theater. And the songs will be boring because there are no drummers or instrumentalists. Oh. You think those guys dey go heaven? LMAO. Most of them would get jobs in the plentiful night clubs in hell.

I would open a business of smuggling good stuffs from hell to heaven because after some time, some of you guys in heaven would want a good pussy. The price would be triple since we would impose an happiness tax on your fellows.

Someone below made the above statement and it made my day.
now read mine below and answer me Heaven boys.

Heaven that angels left to collect quick quick puss.y on earth? Didnt they know they was hell? Nyash sweet and nyash will be free in Hell my brodas.
Free ticket to hell remaining 1 billion pieces and we are over 8 billion already. Rush for ur Hell ticket nowwwww.

We are in Hell already so no other Hell out there when you die.
Learn this and learn peace.

If u think am lieing. Then ask urself this questions:

1. Why doesnt the following men want to go to Heaven
Elon musk and all the other billionaire crew
Politicians
Highly educated people
Muslims
and Isreali people the brothers and sisters of Jesus?

Your answers will help u alot if you want to really learn than fear.

2. Why will humans rape angels in the bible? These are angels of an Almighty God. Why whyyyyyy will a human bring out pim pim and starting raping angels from a perfect place called Heaven?
I know angels are all male does it mean angels practiced homosexuality? Angels of an Almighty God? Una bible dey craze

3. If Heaven is a perfect place, why did the first ever misunderstanding and war break out in that so called HEAVEN?

4.Why will God kill innocent first borns of egyptians? Is that not murder and doesnt he suppose to be in His hell for that sin? Since the devil challenged and fought against him deserved Hell, if he is a just God he should be there as well to punish himself?

5. Why did he killed and entire civilization and accused the Devil as a killer and destroyer when according to the bible the Devil never did kill any body nor destroy properties of people?

6. Why does ur loving father create a lake of fire before creating u to punish the uncreated you?

7. Why is everything about God the isrealites? Are arabians, egyptians, Africans, Indians not his children? Why only the isrealites?

8. Why does a just God in a perfect Heaven support slavery, rape, stealing, destruction of properties, uncontrolled anger and threats. Why does he kill non isrealites? Didnt he create them?

9. What is an Almighty God, just and the creator of the Universe jealous of? Tell me brothers.

10. Why is Jesus different from his Father?

I love your school of thought

SeriouslySense:
Have you given God a chance, at least, or have you made efforts to seek God for yourself, or are you only waiting on what people say.

Ọga no need for all this if indeed he's powerful he should have make everybody saint from birth.

jesusjnr2020:
If You End Up In Hell Fire, Who Would You Blame?

Humans generally have the tendency to apportion blame to others for their own mistakes.

Instead of taking responsibility for them, they were quick to find someone else to blame.

Some are quick to even blame the devil when caught in the act, even though the devil cannot force them to do anything without their own consent.

This tendency, they seemed to have inherited from their foremost ancestors, Adam and Eve, who after eating the forbidden fruit which God commanded them not to eat were blaming someone else for their own error, with Adam blaming "the woman" while Eve "the woman" blamed "the serpent"... Genesis 3:12-13

So sadly it seems humans have not yet learnt from the errors of the first humans on earth, as they're still playing the blame game up til date, so they were bound to continue repeating the same mistakes they made instead of repenting from them, which however comes with serious eternal consequences, for "the wages of sin is death..." Romans 6:23

Hence the question, who would you blame if you end up in hell fire?

As for me, I would only have myself to blame because if after God has done everything thing He could to ensure I don't end up in hell fire but have eternal life, I still managed to end up there for whatever possible reason I could conjure, it could only be my own fault and no one else, because no one, not even the devil, could force me to reject life and choose death without my consent.

God bless.

Hmmmm.......

Despite the bible teaching of hell, the message of hell fire remains mysterious.

This is because people don't even know how terrible hell fire is.

The mystery of hell is why many Christians slack in evangelism, holiness, etc.

The rich man in hell cried about thirst.

Hell is so terrible, human minds can't pick it. Evangelism, soul winning, holiness is of utmost priority.

judedwriter:


Hmmmm.......

Despite the bible teaching of hell, the message of hell fire remains mysterious.

This is because people don't even know how terrible hell fire is.

The mystery of hell is why many Christians slack in evangelism, holiness, etc.

The rich man in hell cried about thirst.

Hell is so terrible, human minds can pick it. Evangelism, soul winning, holiness is of utmost priority.

Very true. It's just sad that many who heard the message would still end up there regardless, but the consolation is in the few who because of the message repented so didn't. That's why we have to keep preaching the message regardless. Thanks and God bless.

Who would you blame if you found out that hell is not what you think it is? Some references described it as a place of fire while others as outer darkness. So speak for yourself. Whatever it is, it is after judgement that ppl will be condemned their. Judgement is also a general thing not an individual thing. This is why a day was set for it. The devil also must be their before others. He is currently roaming about decieving ppl. Nobody is in hell at least for now. So rest! Brother rest!

Salem69:
Christ never saved any of his diciples cause only he understands what it meant, always try to understand the ways of man and not God cause he's beyond your league

if jesus can no longer save So what then have they been
preaching in all this business centers called church.

booksbook:
I'll blame the so called God that brought me to this world without my permission

brainwashed goose
hw would God seek your permission before creating you?
senseless are you goat!
whereas you didn't even know if you were coming or not!

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jesusjnr2020:
If You End Up In Hell Fire, Who Would You Blame?

Humans generally have the tendency to apportion blame to others for their own mistakes.

Instead of taking responsibility for them, they were quick to find someone else to blame.

Some are quick to even blame the devil when caught in the act, even though the devil cannot force them to do anything without their own consent.

This tendency, they seemed to have inherited from their foremost ancestors, Adam and Eve, who after eating the forbidden fruit which God commanded them not to eat were blaming someone else for their own error, with Adam blaming "the woman" while Eve "the woman" blamed "the serpent"... Genesis 3:12-13

So sadly it seems humans have not yet learnt from the errors of the first humans on earth, as they're still playing the blame game up til date, so they were bound to continue repeating the same mistakes they made instead of repenting from them, which however comes with serious eternal consequences, for "the wages of sin is death..." Romans 6:23

Hence the question, who would you blame if you end up in hell fire?

As for me, I would only have myself to blame because if after God has done everything thing He could to ensure I don't end up in hell fire but have eternal life, I still managed to end up there for whatever possible reason I could conjure, it could only be my own fault and no one else, because no one, not even the devil, could force me to reject life and choose death without my consent.

God bless.

Chairman, we hope you will write a thread on the riches of redemption and the blessedness of salvation and the glories of the soon coming kingdom of God, for tomorrow's FP, seeing your topics always make FP

MrPresident1:


Chairman, we hope you will write a thread on the riches of redemption and the blessedness of salvation and the glories of the soon coming kingdom of God, for tomorrow's FP, seeing your topics always make FP

Lol. Let's wait and see, although it's up to the mods decide if to take my posts to front page and which post to take, not me.

jesusjnr2020:
Lol. Let's wait and see, although it's up to the mods decide if to take my posts to front page and which post to take, not me.

Guy, ensure you write that thread and put it on FP

dontrulee:
Of course, many people will blame God himself because it's him who created hell in the first place (that is if hell actually exists)

Hardly will you find a human being taking responsibility for his actions.

Born Poor in third world country is Hell Bro ... Depressions is Hell Bro, Mental Disorder is Hell ....

Once You ain't Aligned with Good as per reasonable level you can't have Peace!

ezechi242:


If there is hell and heaven, how come people still come in contact with spirits of their loved ones.....how come we reincarnate multiple times.......no allow white man lies take control of your mind.

Different between people in Affluence & Wretchedness!

Offpoint1:

The bible is full of nonsense, it's has nothing to do with "God" words. That book is men literature, nothing in it was inspired by God.

In fact the book continuously paint God black.


If heaven is a perfect place, then why the hell did war broke out in a supposely perfect place?

How did evil gets to heaven and possessed Satan to rebel? Where did that evil came from since we claim devil is the father of all evil?

How the hell would you sent supreme being to mortals and expect mortals to defeat them? Why not chain them in heaven?
How do you have the power to prevent everything but you let them happened and you ended up burning your own creation for your own mistakes?

I believe in the existence of creator, but the biblical stories ain't God's word.

Everything was so peaceful in the beginning. God created everything with love and showed love to all His creatures. He loved His angels and human beings so much that He gave them freewill, power, and authority. He did not create them like robots; He gave them the freedom to make decisions. However, upon all the love and kindness He showed to us some angels and humans rebelled against Him and tried to use the freedom and power He gave against Him.

God made man a little lower than the angels and crowned Him with glory and honour. He gave man freewill to make decisions and authority over plants and animals. Plants and animals are far below us, they don't have freewill, authority or power. Humans had everything they needed. Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, enjoying it all. It is hard to understand why they wanted to be equal with God. Why is man so wicked, greedy and covetous?

Liking this to yourself, if you have a company and you happen to be a nice boss and you find out your employees are trying to kill you and take away your company, won't you punish them severely? Would you smile with them, hug them or ask them to go in peace? In fact, God is so loving and kind that He pardoned us for such a rebellious act and still sent His son to rescue us.

God is not to be blamed, our actions led us to this point. Human beings are inherently wicked; they are just so wicked on their own. Don't you think we are the problem? Is it God that is inventing all the wickedness in the world today? Now that God has left us to ourselves, what are we doing to ourselves?

Merry100:

Everything was so peaceful in the beginning. God created everything with love and showed love to all His creatures. He loved His angels and human beings so much that He gave them freewill, power, and authority. He did not create them like robots; He gave them the freedom to make decisions. However, upon all the love and kindness He showed to us some angels and humans rebelled against Him and tried to use the freedom and power He gave against Him.

God made man a little lower than the angels and crowned Him with glory and honour. He gave man freewill to make decisions and authority over plants and animals. Plants and animals are far below us, they don't have freewill, authority or power. Humans had everything they needed. Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, enjoying it all. It is hard to understand why they wanted to be equal with God. Why is man so wicked, greedy and covetous?

Liking this to yourself, if you have a company and you happen to be a nice boss and you find out your employees are trying to kill you and take away your company, won't you punish them severely? Would you smile with them, hug them or ask them to go in peace? In fact, God is so loving and kind that He pardoned us for such a rebellious act and still sent His son to rescue us.

God is not to be blamed, our actions led us to this point. Human beings are inherently wicked; they are just so wicked on their own. Don't you think we are the problem? Is it God that is inventing all the wickedness in the world today? Now that God has left us to ourselves, what are we doing to ourselves?

So according to your narrative, if the staff of my company are planning coup against me or planning to kill me and I find out, the best punishment I can give to them is to SENT THEM to my house to live with my children right?
There's no logical explanation to that bro.

The earth is running as the creator wanted it, if you have the power to prevent robbery in your house as a father... Will you use it or wait for them to visit your home and do whatever damage they want... then punish you children for that?

Please answers those questions....

God supposedly knows the END before the BEGINNING, so he knew dawn well WHAT WILL BE.

Remember assertions are according to the biblical stories

Offpoint1:

So according to your narrative, if the staff of my company are planning coup against me or planning to kill me and I find out, the best punishment I can give to them is to SENT THEM to my house to live with my children right?
There's no logical explanation to that bro.

The earth is running as the creator wanted it, if you have the power to prevent robbery in your house as a father... Will you use it or wait for them to visit your home and do whatever damage they want... then punish you children for that?

Please answers those questions....

God supposedly knows the END before the BEGINNING, so he knew dawn well WHAT WILL BE.

Remember assertions are according to the biblical stories

Just as we are creatures of God, angels are also God's creatures, and thus we both represent the employees in my previous comment. Both humans and angels were sent out of God's sight after they sinned, but God came to the world to rescue us. To whom much is given much, much is expected. God made angels higher than human beings by granting them more power and understanding. God expected perfection from them, but the devil and other fallen angels not only wished to be equal with God, but also wanted to overthrow Him.

To better illustrate my point, suppose both your higher and lower rank employees were involved in the coup. If the higher rank staffs were still very proud and not sober but the lower rank staffs were not proud or stubborn and they were sober, ready to admit their fault and seek forgiveness because they were simply influenced and deceived by the higher rank staffs. They were never interested in overthrowing you but rather wanted to move up the ranks.

As a good boss, you would be more likely to forgive the lower rank staffs since they were not the masterminds and did not act out of malice. You might decide to place them on probation and allow them to prove their loyalty before bringing them back into your company. However, the higher rank staff who masterminded the coup and acted out of pride and malice would be held to a higher level of accountability and would require a more severe punishment.

It is true that God knows the end from the beginning, but He has given us different options and designed the end for each option, just as the North, South, West, and East have different designed destinations. We were created with the ability to make moral choices, but we are not robots and we have the power to refuse to do what is right.

Merry100:

Just as we are creatures of God, angels are also God's creatures, and thus we both represent the employees in my previous comment. Both humans and angels were sent out of God's sight after they sinned, but God came to the world to rescue us. To whom much is given much, much is expected. God made angels higher than human beings by granting them more power and understanding. God expected perfection from them, but the devil and other fallen angels not only wished to be equal with God, but also wanted to overthrow Him.

To better illustrate my point, suppose both your higher and lower rank employees were involved in the coup. If the higher rank staffs were still very proud and not sober but the lower rank staffs were not proud or stubborn and they were sober, ready to admit their fault and seek forgiveness because they were simply influenced and deceived by higher rank staffs. They were never interested in overthrowing you but rather wanted to move up the ranks.

As a good boss, you would be more likely to forgive the lower rank staffs since they were not the masterminds and did not act out of malice. You might decide to place them on probation and allow them to prove their loyalty before bringing them back into your company. However, the higher rank staff who masterminded the coup and acted out of pride and malice would be held to a higher level of accountability and would require a more severe punishment.

It is true that God knows the end from the beginning, but He has given us different options and designed the end for each option, just as the North, South, West, and East have different designed destinations. We were created with the ability to make moral choices, but we are not robots and we have the power to refuse to do what is right.

Dude you're simply going around the corner, either your to scared to answer the question or you're deceiving yourself.

The fall of lucifer happens before the fall of Adam's...

Your employees messed up, not only messed up, they planned your assassination and you find out... The best line of action is to sack them and get them arrested and lock up.... You don't send them to go and live in the house you build for your children... You don't send someone who planned to kill you and take over your company to go and live with your children. NO LOGIC EXPLANATION FOR THAT.

If God knew the end of the world before the beginning, then there's no way you're going to twist this story with freewill or whatever... Everything happening he knew already and allows it, nothing that happens that wasn't part of his plans... If you said there's something that wasn't part of his plan, then you're simply admitting he doesn't know the end before the beginning... Everything happening took him by surprise.

There's no way to twist biblical stories without painting God black in the real sense.

Offpoint1:

Dude you're simply going around the corner, either your to scared to answer the question or you're deceiving yourself.

The fall of lucifer happens before the fall of Adam's...

Your employees messed up, not only messed up, they planned your assassination and you find out... The best line of action is to sack them and get them arrested and lock up.... You don't send them to go and live in the house you build for your children... You don't send someone who planned to kill you and take over your company to go and live with your children. NO LOGIC EXPLANATION FOR THAT.

If God knew the end of the world before the beginning, then there's no way you're going to twist this story with freewill or whatever... Everything happening he knew already and allows it, nothing that happens that wasn't part of his plans... If you said there's something that wasn't part of his plan, then you're simply admitting he doesn't know the end before the beginning... Everything happening took him by surprise.

There's no way to twist biblical stories without painting God black in the real sense.

The Bible states that the serpent deceived Adam and Eve. However, it does not state that satan ever visited or resided in the Garden of Eden. The serpent that deceived Adam and Eve was just a serpent, it was not satan. It is believed that satan influenced or proposed the serpent to carry out his deception and it is commonly understood that the serpent was just used as a tool by satan to deceive Adam and Eve.

Does robotic engineers ask their robots how they wish they were created? Some robotic engineer even created robots that have the ability to take actions and make choices and can be used for various tasks, these robots are called intelligent robots. Most creators have their own customized design. God created us just the way He wanted to create us. He did not create human beings like robots, He created human beings with free will, allowing them to make our own choices and decisions. By placing the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden and permitting that they get deceived, God gave Adam and Eve a choice to obey or disobey Him. Without this choice, Adam and Eve would have been essentially like robots, predetermined to do only what God had intended for them.

I have observed that you seem more interested in debating rather than seeking information. Therefore, I will not answer further questions as it may not yield any meaningful results. I pray that the God of truth will help you to see the light.

Merry100:

The Bible states that the serpent deceived Adam and Eve. However, it does not state that satan ever visited or resided in the Garden of Eden. The serpent that deceived Adam and Eve was just a serpent, it was not satan. It is believed that satan influenced or proposed the serpent to carry out his deception and it is commonly understood that the serpent was just used as a tool by satan to deceive Adam and Eve.

Does robotic engineers ask their robots how they wish they were created? Some robotic engineer even created robots that have the ability to take actions and make choices and can be used for various tasks, these robots are called intelligent robots. Most creators have his own customized design. God created us just the way He wanted to create us. He did not create human beings like robots, He created human beings with free will, allowing them to make our own choices and decisions. By placing the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden and permitting that they get deceived, God gave Adam and Eve a choice to obey or disobey Him. Without this choice, Adam and Eve would have been essentially like robots, predetermined to do only what God had intended for them.

I have observed that you seem more interested in debating rather than seeking information. Therefore, I will not answer further questions as it may not yield any meaningful results. I pray that the God of truth will help you to see the light.

Lol, you're outrightly evading your religion argument because you're too scared to offend God, so you keep lying to yourself when the truth is glaring.

You evaded the questions I asked you of the boss and employees. What was the logical reason of sending those pissed up employees who planned to kill you to your children house instead of prison? Please answer.

Telling me Eve wasn't deceived by lucifer is an outright lies to evade my question.

I'm debating and seeking information at the same time, no point running away from defending your faith or opinion.

What I want you to know is simple "The universe runs the way its creator wants it to run"

Offpoint1:

Lol, you're outrightly evading your religion argument because you're too scared to offend God, so you keep lying to yourself when the truth is glaring.

You evaded the questions I asked you of the boss and employees. What was the logical reason of sending those pissed up employees who planned to kill you to your children house instead of prison? Please answer.

Telling me Eve wasn't deceived by lucifer is an outright lies to evade my question.

I'm debating and seeking information at the same time, no point running away from defending your faith or opinion.

What I want you to know is simple "The universe runs the way its creator wants it to run"

You need to know that when talking about the things that happened in times past many will surely be misinformed and they will not know how to explain since it never happened in their presence.

So how can you be sure that someone knows what really happened?

The person who knows must explain how it happened, why it happened and what will be the final outcome which you will perceive with your mind as reality.

So what is your question please?

Of course Eve was deceived but Adam wasn't he deliberately choose to rebel against God!

MaxInDHouse:


You need to know that when talking about the things that happened in times past many will surely be misinformed and they will not know how to explain since it never happened in their presence.

So how can you be sure that someone knows what really happened?

The person who knows must explain how it happened, why it happened and what will be the final outcome which you will perceive with your mind as reality.

So what is your question please?

Of course Eve was deceived but Adam wasn't he deliberately choose to rebel against God!

You've answered my question in your first and second paragraphs.

Everything you and me read we have no clue if it was the truth, that's why my initial comment was about the Bible.
The Bible could be men literature and has nothing to do with God.

The universe is running just the way God wants it. If he doesn't want it this way, you and me know damn well... It won't be this way.

Offpoint1:

You've answered my question in your first and second paragraphs. Everything you and me read we have no clue if it was the truth, that's why my initial comment was about the Bible.
The Bible could be men literature and has nothing to do with God. The universe is running just the way God wants it. If he doesn't want it this way, you and me know damn well... It won't be this way.

The Bible is God's word!

Please proceed with whatever question you have in mind!

Offpoint1:

Lol, you're outrightly evading your religion argument because you're too scared to offend God, so you keep lying to yourself when the truth is glaring.

You evaded the questions I asked you of the boss and employees. What was the logical reason of sending those pissed up employees who planned to kill you to your children house instead of prison? Please answer.

Telling me Eve wasn't deceived by lucifer is an outright lies to evade my question.

I'm debating and seeking information at the same time, no point running away from defending your faith or opinion.

What I want you to know is simple "The universe runs the way its creator wants it to run"

Lol, defend my religion. I am serving the living God of Heaven. God is all-powerful, I don't have to defend my religion or God, my role as a believer is to uphold and spread His teachings and values. The Bible does not instruct believers to defend their faith with meaningless arguments, but rather encourages them to live according to their faith and avoid engaging in fruitless debates or arguments that can lead to division and misunderstanding (Titus 3:9).

Were those wicked or 'pissed up' employees actually living with the new employees like you assumed? The answers you seek are in my previous comment, but you won't see it because you have hardened your heart. I can only put you in my prayers. I pray that God Almighty opens your heart to understanding.

Do have a nice day!