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Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by sisisioge: 4:18pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
Rilwayne001: But you know that you're actually circumventing the system, right? If you're caught, you will be heavily penalized. Nigeria does not have good systems to track all defaulters and the system itself is corrupt. Imagine how much nicer the country will be if there is no corruption from the system and the people within the system? Better no loud this before someone sits on your case. Nigerians are the ones ruining the country. 5 Likes |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by Gerrard59(m): 4:18pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
sukkot: Fair enough. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by sukkot: 4:20pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
sisisioge:you got jokes hehe. Well you know those same doctors who are running out of Nigeria are crying in the UK that they are being exploited by the British government and being paid very poor and much lower than their white counterparts and they have petitioned the Nigerian government to fight on their behalf. It's a huge case going on right now as we speak. Are you aware of that ? Oh yes we shall keep Nigeria nice and warm for you so you can come back and enjoy it with us hehe 2 Likes |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by Gerrard59(m): 4:21pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
sisisioge: That is the thing people should understand. Their definitions of abroad should fit what they desire and wish for. After all, there are Canadians, Australians and even Americans living in South/East Asia without desiring to return to their home countries. For instance, when people mention gun crimes, I find it odd as I have never heard a gunshot or seen a gun. All abroads are not equal. 6 Likes |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by sisisioge: 4:26pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
Gerrard59: I think OP is just being coy... the clarity had been made since the start of the thread but he kept hammering on his experience in UK when his only experience in Canada was a brief tour. But on the bright side, it's good that he's adamant about staying in Naija to keep the country populated. I'm sure, majority of his F&F are still in the UK o. 1 Like |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by sisisioge: 4:29pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
sukkot: Sukkot....Say Canada, not UK. It starts with C... not U . I have been talking about CANADA not UK. Whew! Do you get it now? 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by sukkot: 4:36pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
Rilwayne001:Chief you be tax collector now abi ? awon eyan julius caesar niyen |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by sukkot: 4:41pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
sisisioge:oh ok my sister I get you now but sister let's talk true oooo even that Canada get as e be ooo. If you get medical procedure you are on a 2 year waiting list. Many people done die on that Canadian waiting list oooo. Those wey get money go port go Cuba go do the procedure out of pocket . In fact nowhere is perfect 1 Like |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by sisisioge: 4:50pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
sukkot: If you have medical procedure they consider not to be an emergency unless you're paying directly from your purse, they make you wait because they too are dealing with shortage of hospitals and personnel. The population is overwhelming the system. But if you intend to pay, you get it now now. Another thing is having your referral stronger worded for you, that's why you should befriend your family doctor . Sebi we pay in Naija, where does that still leave us? That option is there. Meanwhile, they immediately start you on treatment for free on health challenges that are deemed emergency....eg, Cancer. Ask Nigerians who have dealt with major health challenges to explain that process. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by Rilwayne001: 5:23pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
Gerrard59: I’m in full support of a functioning society and I believe a capitalist with a progressive mindset president Will activate that for us. Nigeria has more natural resources than the UK and our citizens would not even need to pay as much tax as those in the UK for the country to survive. Nevertheless we still have to pay tax, with the hope that government would utilize such taxes to progress our economic and social development. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by Gerrard59(m): 7:24pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
Rilwayne001: Tinubu, who you support, is a crony capitalist. Nigeria should emulate the US capitalist system, but with Tinubu, it will ape Russia's. Nigeria has more natural resources than the UK and our citizens would not even need to pay as much tax as those in the UK for the country to survive. Fair. Nevertheless we still have to pay tax, with the hope that government would utilize such taxes to progress our economic and social development Yeah, just like Buhari said he is not kwarrupt and while he would handle security, Osinbajo will handle the economy. At this, you people should start doing comic skits. 3 Likes |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by Gerrard59(m): 7:29pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
sisisioge: Anyone who wants to preach for Nigerians to stop relocating or should return has to relinquish his/her advanced country's citizenship. Those who were not born or bred in Nigeria should do the same and move to Nigeria to live. That should be the starting point. Once that is done, the person can even start a Church of Returnees Diasporans. I will gladly share the gospel free of charge. No to hypocrisy and online witchcraft. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by seguno2: 8:08pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
Rilwayne001: Can you please share the links and sources for this claim of Nigeria having more natural resources than the UK, noting that we don’t have the technology to even know of the existence of many of the natural resources. Do you simply hope that your life will be better, or you work like crazy to make it better? Why do you think that the society is differently wired to get better on hope alone ? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by Nobody: 8:40pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
Gerrard59: How did this thread become a political thread? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by surgical: 8:40pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
livingstone2013:He is saying the truth, different strokes for different folks, those saying otherwise have their reasons for saying that ,your friend is not lying 1 Like |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by Rilwayne001: 9:11pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
seguno2: Lmao. I no get time to argue. 3 Likes |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by 1Sharon(f): 9:18pm On Apr 08, 2023 |
Gerrard59: Taxes are different to bills. The UK is taxed to death. In the UK, the more you earn the more they take back from you. This why our nigerian counterparts in the states have more purchasing power and take home pay. Taxes are not so much a thing on it's citizens. Instead corporations bear the brunt of taxes. This is why you guys find them to be less 'stingy' than UK peeps. 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by Gerrard59(m): 12:05am On Apr 09, 2023 |
livingstone2013: Modafvker, You should be ashamed of yourself since you refuse to look at the root ssues which made people flee. You think if Nigeria was relatively OK as it was during Jonathan's administration, people would sell off their assets? You think those who returned enmass from the abroad during GEJ administration didn't know why they return? People only went to the UK to study and return to Nigeria. Companies, I recall Access Bank then, was going to the UK to organise aptitude tests for Nigerian students in the UK to employ them immediately they're done and return to Nigeria. Which Nigerian company in the last four years has done the same? I recall then job ads brekete for front page. I was looking forward to them. Recently, I checked Linkedin jobs portal on Nigeria and compared to Singapore. My goodness! There were more triple the number of jobs on the Singaporean portal than Nigerian. Singapore has less than six million people o! You people want to shy away from the root issue and I won't allow it. I detest hypocrites. You modafvker will do anything to swallow Tinubu's cum yet lament things are hard in Nigeria. How come people, even in their Mid-40s, are fleeing Nigeria if things were relatively OK in Nigeria? Why didn't they flee when Jonathan or Obasanjo was the president? If the country's politics are relatively OK, people don't flee enmass but ignorant and mendacious modafvkers think otherwise. So, because someone stays in a gated estate tucked in Lekki which has no pedestrian walkway yet almost hundred people were brutally butchered in Benue, I should look away? You should be terribly ashamed of yourself! Tomorrow, you will head to church or slam your kon-kon head five times thinking you will enter heaven with such a mentality. Ta! A Chinese atheist will enter heaven before you despicable lots! 35 Likes 9 Shares |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by Gerrard59(m): 12:18am On Apr 09, 2023 |
1Sharon: The same applies everywhere. There's no country where the higher you earn as a salary earner, the lower your taxes. Even in tax havens, high earners (salary earners) pay the highest tax band. The problem in the UK as most of Europe is limited economic opportunities due to over-regulatory policies, feeding bottle mentality by the native citizens and an aging population. Even the aging population which is ubiquitous in Japan and South Korea, I'm willing to bet there are more economic opportunities in both countries compared to most parts of Europe because they've a fast growing South East Asia nearby and a huge consumer nation in China. Isn't that why European leaders are always in Asia due to economic and trade deals? Europe has limited economic opportunities and very high taxes. In California where taxes are similar to European levels, residents on average out-earn their European counterparts because of the dynamic US economy. Across the world, only Australia, Singapore and Switzerland come close to the US in terms of salaries but none come close in terms of how dynamic, diversified and huge the American economy is. The issue isn't high taxes, but economic opportunities to earn more money. That's a European problem which isn't peculiar to the UK. Like a reddit comment said, give me more money and economic opportunities, I will sort out the taxes later. Where Europeans wan see high salaries? This why our nigerian counterparts in the states have more purchasing power and take home pay. Taxes are not so much a thing on it's citizens. Instead corporations bear the brunt of taxes. This is why you guys find them to be less 'stingy' than UK peeps. Actually, companies have more ways to avoid paying taxes in the US than in Europe. It's easier to avoid paying taxes in the US. The difference is that American companies have more economic opportunities and a consumer market that in my opinion spends more than Europeans. As a result, they pay high salaries and can hire and fire at ease. Such isn't the same in Europe. People are taxed very high in most US states especially Democrat governed, but they've a dynamic economy that churns out jobs yanfu-yanfu and can easily move to states with low taxes where English is the lingua franca. How many Brits can easily move to Switzerland today to work? Even Italians find it difficult sef. 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by Gerrard59(m): 12:25am On Apr 09, 2023 |
fortyishcouga: So what made a 40 year old man Nigerian man sell off his assets to become a postgraduate student in the UK? Explain like I am 5. Give examples using Brazilians and Indonesians so we know 40 year old Brazilians and Indonesians who sold their assets in Sao Paulo and Jakarta to become students in the UK. I am waiting, patiently if you wish to know. 5 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by Throwaway12345: 1:09am On Apr 09, 2023 |
I think it is about doing a cost to benefit analysis. Like finance , a lot of people don't know how to do basic calculation and they tend to get a lot emotional about things. For us it was an economic decision, and trust me i would be open with numbers. We made a combined N700k inclusive of bonuses and incentives after calculation monthly with a lot of headroom for growth. I was a year away from being a Manager and was in a very sort after role. But doing a cost analysis of what i would earn if we were overseas we noticed we were short paid and dping ourselves a disservice staying back. This was guaranteed, i had a lot of interviews that I was about to be offered something but because of my location which was Nigeria they would not be able to employ me because of their government policies or company policies so it was either we move first then apply or i stay back. But doing basic maths, even the most junior roles I would do got a take home of almost $4500 per month after tax and this was me with almost 8 years of experience in a multinational. And i had a partner who was making about N100k per month. Even if my partner did the most basic jobs like cashier or admin jobs we were just being pretty blunt and a decided a worst case scenario, they would earn $2000 per month. So that makes it a combined of $6500. We did a calculation of cost of living factoring in our 2kids and we arrived at a monthly spend of about $4000 inclusive of rent and utilities. That gives us a savings room of $2500. If we were in Nigeria even with minimal spending, the max we were able to save a month was N300k. $2500*500 is N1,250,000 monthly saved in Nigeria. That means we are able to get to our goals *4 faster than staying back with me working even the most junior roles. Our plans are to work for maybe 5 to 6 years or till the kids are probably 12. Come back to Nigeria, enroll them in schools here for the final lap of high school with international schools in Nigeria. Max 2 years. Immerse them in the local culture and morals. Then allow them return back for their University education over here. With this, we would have saved ourselves thousands of dollars they would pay as international students as they would be citizens by then. Truth is. 1. We even make much more than the $6500 we projected. 2. We really do not miss home that much. We weren't the outgoing ones back in Nigeria and our family is closely knit. With the kids you are already gassed out with their wahala to even think of going up and down. So it's almost same outlook living here. 3. I am far ahead of my peers in Nigeria now . Even though I worked for a multinational. The cost outlay for the cutting edge technologies I work with now is way out of what the Nigerian arm would be able to afford so I would never be able to ever work or experiment with such until after 3 to 5 years when the cost has become more cost effective for the Nigerian arm to deploy. Also please note that even as good as i was in Nigeria, the guarantees of getting the same type of job i was doing back then with same pay was almost 10%. If i lost my Nigerian job, i might have lost significant pay that's if i ever got another job. That was a big motivation to leave. It was purely economical. I already changed jobs twice and even have higher offers lined up that i am unwilling to take because the current coy gives the perfect balance between work and family I always wanted. 4. Our greatest fears are the kids. With the role I am in and how versatile I am. I would never work a minimum wage job guaranteed for the next forseeable future and even as at now we are building our emergency funds and saving like crazy to provide cushion for any unforseen circumstances. Economy can take a down turn or whatever. So we are getting there. We prioritize the culture and feel the Aftican culture is amazing. We are afraid we would not be able to give our kids the same outlook and experience we had growing up. We are trying to, but raising kids here is extremely challenging. It takes a community to raise a kid and your kid would learn from the environment that it is okay to cut ties with families, personalize the individual over the community/family in their dealings. The idea of family from an African context is lovely and would want them to imbibe the positive aspects of such growing up. We do a lot of work with their local language and it is a strictly 90% local language in the house but you sure know it can never be like them having a community of speakers close by. So bottomline. Do your calculations. We are a special case. If your job does not have transferable skills and you would end up doing minimum wage jobs here, i really would rather find a way to do some more training back home and test the waters by applying and see how you place before moving. Also, people who have partners have it much more easier if you can combine finances even if both do minimum wage jobs. You just might do more hours and you need to be level headed and have an end game and exit. You should be fine might just be much more difficult and I believe this is one of the reasons most new immigrants divorce or grow apart in the first few years of moving as this leads to a lot of resentment that eventually breaks the marriage. It ain't easy leaving a cushy job to come do menial jobs just to have a roof over your head. 19 Likes 6 Shares |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by seguno2: 4:24am On Apr 09, 2023 |
fortyishcouga: Because politics and politicians decide everything in life. |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by livingstone2013: 4:50am On Apr 09, 2023 |
Gerrard59:Are you ma.d? Do you want your generation to perish? I am not @sukkot that you have been looking for his trouble on this thread and he has been patient or try to ignore you. If you confront me, I will drag you to the mud like a pig you are. Must everything be about tribalism or politics to you? You came to this thread with your dirty ass from nowhere and you have no meaningful contribution but to cause trouble. Your only motive was to turn it into igbo vs yoruba tribal war. Everyone here were commenting with decorum and respect before you came but like a man child you are, you can't just bear it. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by AngelicBeing: 5:08am On Apr 09, 2023 |
Gerrard59: 1 Like |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by Gerrard59(m): 8:44am On Apr 09, 2023 |
livingstone2013: Politics affect people's lives. If you don't like it. hit your head against the wall! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by sukkot: 10:07am On Apr 09, 2023 |
livingstone2013:that guys story no add up. says he is at peace living in asia but comes across angry like shekau in sambisa forest lol 4 Likes |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by sukkot: 10:18am On Apr 09, 2023 |
sisisioge:i wouldn't call it a brief tour. It was enough time to see what the whole place is about. I couldn't live there permanently. No social life. No joy on people's faces. Just hurry hurry work work cold cold . But to each his own 1 Like |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by sukkot: 10:20am On Apr 09, 2023 |
fortyishcouga:its a good question
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Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by sukkot: 10:24am On Apr 09, 2023 |
1Sharon:UK na sapa territory 4 Likes |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by sukkot: 10:32am On Apr 09, 2023 |
Gerrard59:alright lets address the bolded. Alright so whatever economic situation going on in Nigeria has nothing to do with tinubu. We would stArt holding him accountable from May 29th when he gets power in his hands. Secondly as for the mass japa epidemic ? It has absolutely nothing to do with the Nigerian economic situation and everything to do with Brexit. After the Brexit situation all the eAstern Europeans returned back to their countries and this left a huge gap in certain sectors and they needed workers to fill these sectors so they looked to their colonies like Nigeria. Now they have made it known that they just need people to wipe their old peoples yansh as it is an ageing population and the visas are easily given for this purpose as well as visas for their universities so you can bring all your money to their dying economy. And so our greedy naija people all lost their senses when they saw easy visa and sold everything they owned and ran to Britain . Has nothing to do with naijas economic state . Not saying our economic state is perfect. Now the general sentiment amongst all these long throats that sold all their assets to go clean Oyinbo yansh is deep regret 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Do Families Pay Tens Of Millions To Japa Without Getting Ulcers by sukkot: 10:48am On Apr 09, 2023 |
Gerrard59: sukkot: |
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