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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by LARRYOBRAIN(m): 7:14pm On Apr 08, 2023
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Kukutenla: 7:14pm On Apr 08, 2023
LegendHero:


Gbarebo said himself that he dosen’t “think” Yoruba, how is that my fault?

When next you want to do election in Anambra, just elect someone that dosen’t “think” Igbo and stop disturbing us.

We have nations with traitors, that you have a blood does not mean you can’t betray your people.

What does it mean to think Yoruba and not to?
Can you explain what you think he means by that?

The position of governor of a state is a Nigerian position not Yoruba. The holder swears allegiance to Nigerria not Yorubaland.
If you want to think only in Yoruba then, kindly shift away from Nigeria as a country

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Gajagojo: 7:15pm On Apr 08, 2023
DeepSight:


Great point. I love this point.



Oh no no no - now this here is nothing but literary blasphemy. Things Fall Apart is a classic. Beyond being as beautifully written as Elechi Amadi's "The Concubine" - it dwells on a bigger subject - the invasion of Africa by the whiteman.

Please do not say things which are simply abominations in the world of literature. That book is a classic.



WS is a great writer and beyond that a famous activist who ranks with the likes of Fela Kuti, Bob Marley, and may even approach the level of respectability of a Martin Luther King or a Mandela. I simply love the man. He is a titan of a man, and exudes natural greatness.

However I am sincere when I say I struggle to find which specific work of his is a true classic. Don't get me wrong - his works are intellectual. But his choice of words is so much on the complex side that you find it hard to find flow and beauty therein. The sort of flow that a George Orwell accomplished with an "Animal Farm." And no, I don't think he wrote anything as deep and profound as Things Fall Apart - although I must hasten to add that the Nobel is given for a body of work and not a single work.

Word of advice: To celebrate WS, you dont need to denigrate Achebe (or vice versa) or call Things fall Apart a "secondary school" level book. The book is a classic - a work of art - and also a significant one on a significant subject. Truth is both are great writers.



Gbam. Well said again.



It is true that there are many Nigerian writers who have put out great works which compare well to those of Achebe and WS. I used to be a lover of Ben Okri in particular but found that his style of prose which borders on philosophical and fantastical poetry easily wearies the reader.

Define " true classic "
To listen to you one would imagine you have sat down and read Wole Soyinka's works
Tell us a play written in the last 100 years that you have studied that fits your definition of classic.
You do not sound like you have read Soyinka's works
Things Fall Apart was nothing spectacular in a literary sense
What it "dwells" on is irrelevant
I can go and memorize all the jokes in the world does not mean I can stand in front of a crowd like Bovi,Okey Bakassi and others. The subject matter is important but how the story is told is what makes literature.

Do not forget Achebe wrote that book at the age of 28. He was still learning his craft . It was not a piece of mature writing and it is in my opinion more like a commercial.novel written very directly like a journalist rather than showing nuance or subtlety of a master
Study the works of Ben Okri for masterly writing.
Things fall Apart is at the level of secondary school children
The main thing about Things fall apart is that it was a FIRST and it was actively promoted first by Heinemann and later the Nigerian government making it compulsory reading in Nigeria and many African countries

Finally it was NOT about colonial invasion. It was about a man who embodied the traits of success and strength admired by his people A STRONG MAN AND ACHIEVER those same traits would be his undoing . A tree survives storms and hurricanes by being flexible.
He was not flexible and he broke. Achebe in future went on to say this was a. FAULT in the Ibo culture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uys3XuJBnro
That same inability to know one's limitations,when to fight and when to negotiate was the undoing of Ojukwu
It ended tragically for him just like for Okonkwo

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Shikena(m): 7:18pm On Apr 08, 2023
Creeper:


It’s ‘Man Booker Prize’ not “Bookerman Prize”.

And Achebe and Ben Okri are the two Nigerians who have won the award.

Chimamanda has NEVER won any prestigious award in literature.

BTW, the ultimate prize in literature is the Nobel Prize Laureate and only Prof. Wole Soyinka has won it.
I did not even see Achebe on the list of winners. I only saw Ben Okri. Can you pls share a link on this?

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by naijanaso: 7:18pm On Apr 08, 2023
Hedonini:
Of course. I lost respect for the old fool the moment I discerned that he was just another rodent in Tinubu's cookie room. The idiot whose voice of condemnation was very loud against the Jonathan administration somehow retreated into his shell and became deaf and dumb throughout Buhari's disastrous 8 years of sorrow.

Now after a sham election has supposedly produced a bloody thief and drug baron as president, the useless Soyinka has found his voice again, not in condemnation of the election or of the disreputable criminal that was dubiously pronounced winner, but against the people yearning for a change. Obedients are repugnant fascists and he is ready to do a debate with Datti, but he conveniently has nothing to say about INEC, Tinubu, and the APC. This is the final straw.

...and you are so proud of yourself calling a man that age an "old fool" and "useless"?
I love posterity and Karma.

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by LegendHero(m): 7:18pm On Apr 08, 2023
Kukutenla:

What does it mean to think Yoruba and not to?
Can you explain what you think he means by that?

The position of governor of a state is a Nigerian position not Yoruba. The holder swears allegiance to Nigerria not Yorubaland.
If you want to think only in Yoruba then, kindly shift away from Nigeria as a country

A governor swear allegiance to his people and his people are Yoruba.

A governor of a state govern based on the interest of the people in his state not those in other state. That’s why El-Rufai cannot dictate what happen in Anambra.

A president governs the interest of the whole country so you can differentiate it from a state governor.

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Vinnie2000(m): 7:18pm On Apr 08, 2023
Hawkler:

Ojukwu is a miserable pushover, after brainwashing his own people to die like a bird. A person you can't stand to finish what he started, even an hen will not flew & leave her chicks behind whenever she sees the hawk coming, she defense like a martyr.

Adolf Hitler of Germany also could NOT Finish what he Started (WW2). 😏

Yet he is one of the Greatest Leaders in History! Go and Read about him. 🙂

Same Way, Ojukwu is one of the GREATEST Nigerian Leader this Country has Produced. cool

Aside Olusegun Obasanjo and Awolowo, He is among the Top 3 GREATEST Nigerians we have Had.
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by LegendHero(m): 7:20pm On Apr 08, 2023
IamtheTruth1:


Even if you prefer Soyinka. Have little respect for the dead na. Someone that was the one of best African novelist you said he died envious?


Before you mention me, I know Soyinka won THE noble price in 86. He is a genius also.

But we can actually respect everyone irrespective of their tribe abeg.

What about those disrespecting the living Soyinka? Have you done your moral policing to tell them to maintain decorum too?

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Yomit71(m): 7:21pm On Apr 08, 2023
Hedonini:

Typical hypocrisy and deception that your people are known for. When important issues are at stake, you prefer to deflect attention from the real issue and rather focus on age. In a time of war, in a matter of life and death such as the situation Nigeria is in now, your concern is manners and niceties rather than confront the elephant in the room. You people can continue fooling yourselves.
Who let loose this sore loser. Stop exposing your bigotry please.
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by NOETHNICITY(m): 7:22pm On Apr 08, 2023
There is this question I ask myself whenever I read about Charly Boy. I ask myself how he got to be famous. Only in a crass dysfunctional society

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by GUNITGuy: 7:22pm On Apr 08, 2023
Hedonini:
Of course. I lost respect for the old fool the moment I discerned that he was just another rodent in Tinubu's cookie room. The idiot whose voice of condemnation was very loud against the Jonathan administration somehow retreated into his shell and became deaf and dumb throughout Buhari's disastrous 8 years of sorrow.

Now after a sham election has supposedly produced a bloody thief and drug baron as president, the useless Soyinka has found his voice again, not in condemnation of the election or of the disreputable criminal that was dubiously pronounced winner, but against the people yearning for a change. Obedients are repugnant fascists and he is ready to do a debate with Datti, but he conveniently has nothing to say about INEC, Tinubu, and the APC. This is the final straw.
U called Soyinka what!!!!!
Ok congratulations wise young man for your wisdom

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Gajagojo: 7:24pm On Apr 08, 2023
Shikena:

I did not even see Achebe on the list of winners. I only saw Ben Okri. Can you pls share a link on this?
They specialise in telling lies.
The prize is for fiction/novels which is not what Soyinka writes

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Wisfem: 7:25pm On Apr 08, 2023
Hedonini:
Of course. I lost respect for the old fool the moment I discerned that he was just another rodent in Tinubu's cookie room. The idiot whose voice of condemnation was very loud against the Jonathan administration somehow retreated into his shell and became deaf and dumb throughout Buhari's disastrous 8 years of sorrow.

Now after a sham election has supposedly produced a bloody thief and drug baron as president, the useless Soyinka has found his voice again, not in condemnation of the election or of the disreputable criminal that was dubiously pronounced winner, but against the people yearning for a change. Obedients are repugnant fascists and he is ready to do a debate with Datti, but he conveniently has nothing to say about INEC, Tinubu, and the APC. This is the final straw.




.Thank you! One can not say much than this.. That man is an irredeemable unscrupulous being.. I don't know if he has a child at all..

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Menclothing: 7:27pm On Apr 08, 2023
You hate Hausa fight and abuse Buhari all years
You hate Yoruba and you expect to win elections online miscreant Re reason Obi fail

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Vinnie2000(m): 7:28pm On Apr 08, 2023
LegendHero:


What about those disrespecting the living Soyinka? Have you done your moral policing to tell them to maintain decorum too?


During Chinua Achebe's time on Earth, he was NOT ever Caught doing Double Speaks.
He NEVER engaged in BIASED Politics or even Politics@all. 😎

While Wole Soyinka was always on PDP/Jonathan's Neck
But Currently, He went MUTE with all the CATASTROPHIC FAILURE/Mismanagement by ur APC party.😕

Dat's why the Old Man is being Dragged. smiley
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Legitisreal: 7:28pm On Apr 08, 2023
brightDdon:




I used to have a lot of respect for this man Soyinka,

In my wildest imagination i will never think he'll bring himself this low talking without control like a bus conductor.

See him replying and sending messages even on 2go.


Mumu cultist of an old idiot of man.
you are just a pained ipob

You can deny your tribe all I care, Daddy Adeboye didn't have to open his mouth before Igbos still came for him

Is this a satanic oath to be all for obi or what

Sokinya have always been vocal irrespective on who is groused

What then make him a conductor because it's about the transgender man you support

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Xfemt(m): 7:29pm On Apr 08, 2023
I’m
Not hating on Soyinka but he should have kept quite or be neutral

I can name 3 books Achebe wrote

But I can’t name one book Soyinka wrote

To me Achebe is an enigma In literature

Even one of his book has been mimic by Hollywood

Make we live politics

The two prof are great but Soyinka no suppose show em tribalistic side
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by GUNITGuy: 7:29pm On Apr 08, 2023
Softmirror:


HATRED STILL MADE THEM SAY FIFA RIGGED THE WORLD CUP FOR MESSI. grin.
Lol 😂🤣 y
Even NFA PINNICK for Warri wolves against Enyimba of Aba
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by ebenholer2(m): 7:30pm On Apr 08, 2023
CHARLY IS A BIGOT...ANYONE HATING ON WOLE SOYINKA A MAN WHO IS APOLITICAL AND ALWAYS NEUTRAL NEEDS TO CHECK HIMSELF. HE NEVER SUPPORTED TINUBU NOR OBI NOR BUHARI, AND U THINK HE IS STUPID. HABA CONSULT YOUR DOCTOR

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Deepthoughts: 7:30pm On Apr 08, 2023
Legitisreal:
is a whole sokinya you are insulting now cos he airs his opinion as a yoruba


Let somebody criticise any igboman you people would be telling us how he can feed the commenter generation

I guess there is now someone in your family and village that suddenly have more international prestige & recognition than sokinya
It's not just about ethnic affiliation, I'm not igbo but I must say that wole soyinka,just like FAROOQ KPEROGI N RENO OMOKRI have become a disgrace of themselves due to this elections,Wole soyinka was so voiciferous during Johnathan even calling Johnathan a buffoon n his wife a shepopotamus! the same soyinka lost his voice all this while that APC/buhari has been mismanaging the country only for him to find his voice again because Tinubu had been declared president elect, soyinka is no longer concerned about standards or right again, soyinka is worse.
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by greenandy: 7:30pm On Apr 08, 2023
Soyinka who uses big grammar to hide what he wanted to communicate. Even the
King of England will mark Soyinka wrong in his communication pattern.
Achebe communicated to every class. The King of England will mark Achebe 99% in his communication pattern.
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Gajagojo: 7:30pm On Apr 08, 2023
Kukutenla:

What does it mean to think Yoruba and not to?
Can you explain what you think he means by that?

The position of governor of a state is a Nigerian position not Yoruba. The holder swears allegiance to Nigerria not Yorubaland.
If you want to think only in Yoruba then, kindly shift away from Nigeria as a country
To govern any Yoruba state you must think in Yoruba
You might not like it but that is the reality
Yoruba is BY LAW an official language in Lagos state
https://www.lagoshouseofassembly.gov.ng/lagos-assembly-passes-bill-on-use-of-yoruba-language-into-law/
Ibo is not
So the two do not enjoy the same status or privilege in Lagos state
The Lagos State House of Assembly has passed into law a Bill to promote the use of Yoruba Language in Lagos schools.

The Bill is entitled, “A Bill for a Law To Provide for the Preservation and Promotion of the Use of Yoruba Language and for Connected purposes.”
According to the Bill, it would be compulsory for all primary and secondary schools in the state to include teaching of Yoruba Language as a core subject at all levels.

The bill also provides that all the laws in the state would be translated into Yoruba Language.
It was added that any school that fails to comply with the provisions of Section 2 of the law commits an offence and is liable on first violation to issuance of warning and on subsequent violation be closed down and also pay a fine of N500,000.

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Legitisreal: 7:30pm On Apr 08, 2023
Vinnie2000:


During Chinua Achebe's time on Earth, he was NOT ever Caught doing Double Speaks.
He NEVER engaged in BIASED Politics or even Politics@all. 😎

While Wole Soyinka was always on PDP/Jonathan's Neck
But Currently, He went MUTE with all the CATASTROPHIC FAILURE/Mismanagement by ur APC party.😕

Dat's why the Old Man is being Dragged. smiley
will you close your mouth the evidences are on fp how much sokinya have been attacking buhari

Is it because it's about obi you become blind to suit your hypocrisy

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Kukutenla: 7:31pm On Apr 08, 2023
LegendHero:


A governor swear allegiance to his people and his people are Yoruba.

A governor of a state govern based on the interest of the people in his state not those in other state. That’s why El-Rufai cannot dictate what happen in Anambra.

A president governs the interest of the whole country so you can differentiate it from a state governor.
Quote the part of the constitution that says a gov should swear allegiance to his people.
The people in a state are made up of both indigenes and non- indigenes. That's why it's residents of a state that votes as long as they are citizens of Nigeria even if they are not indigenes while only citizens can vote for the president.
If Elrufai lives in Anambra, he can vote for who becomes gov there.
When Tinubu was sponsoring Ngige for senate in Anambra you didn't remind him that's not his state.
Oga you na hypocrite

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Xfemt(m): 7:31pm On Apr 08, 2023
Legitisreal:
you are just a pained ipob

You can deny your tribe all I care, Daddy Adeboye didn't have to open his mouth before Igbos still came for him

Is this a satanic oath to be all for obi or what

Sokinya have always been vocal irrespective on who is groused

What then make him a conductor because it's about the transgender man you support
the same Soyinka that lead protest during Gej’s
What happened to him now

I respect him but he should have kept quite or be neutral not showing his tribalistic side
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by shinealight(m): 7:31pm On Apr 08, 2023
Was Achebe not alive when Soyinka was awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature?….Obviously the assessment was carried out by neutral assessors and not myopic commentators like the Father of Area Boys.
I’m wondering what positive thing has Charley Boy contributed to the Nigerian society? Can’t think of anything whatsoever!cool cool

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by LegendHero(m): 7:32pm On Apr 08, 2023
Vinnie2000:


During Chinua Achebe's time on Earth, he was NOT ever Caught doing Double Speaks.
He NEVER engaged in BIASED Politics or even Politics@all. 😎

While Wole Soyinka was always on PDP/Jonathan's Neck
But Currently, He went MUTE with all the CATASTROPHIC FAILURE/Mismanagement by ur APC party.😕

Dat's why the Old Man is being Dragged. smiley

Achebe is a nonentityy even in death.

He wrote a book based on false narrative of the civil war and twisted the psyche of millions of his kinsmen.

Tueh.

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Berankis: 7:32pm On Apr 08, 2023
Hedonini:
Of course. I lost respect for the old fool the moment I discerned that he was just another rodent in Tinubu's cookie room. The idiot whose voice of condemnation was very loud against the Jonathan administration somehow retreated into his shell and became deaf and dumb throughout Buhari's disastrous 8 years of sorrow.

Now after a sham election has supposedly produced a bloody thief and drug baron as president, the useless Soyinka has found his voice again, not in condemnation of the election or of the disreputable criminal that was dubiously pronounced winner, but against the people yearning for a change. Obedients are repugnant fascists and he is ready to do a debate with Datti, but he conveniently has nothing to say about INEC, Tinubu, and the APC. This is the final straw.
You always lose respect for anyone not supporting your Obi but praise anyone in support irrespective of their image grin. I am sure you will immediately lose respect for your Dad too if his views become divergent to yours. Typical "Obidient"!

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Omoluabi16(m): 7:33pm On Apr 08, 2023
Why does chinua Achebe always come into the conversation? I'm not sure a wole soyinka would ever want to be an Achebe. At 88 his life has been an overwhelming success. Not everyone wins a Nobel prize.Why would he want to change that?

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Funkyswagzz(m): 7:34pm On Apr 08, 2023
Legitisreal:
Ipob would deceive you that they were looking for one Nigeria progess

Their frustration on not getting obi is now exposing their bigotry

Chimanda supported Obi cos he is Igbo
Ojiakor supported because they would get seaport
Charleyboy supported to have one over yorubas which failed as usual

These are those that have confessed openly, the ones that haven't are now attacking yorubas as a people as a tip of their intentions




Did someone say attacking yoruba? The physical attack you exhibited for the whole world to see how tribalistic you people were is nothing abi? Please carry your stinking hypocritical self to a pit toilet you smell like a dead rat
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by randymirrors(f): 7:35pm On Apr 08, 2023
muykem:
I am happy that we're being vindicated by these people actions in aftermath of the election. Some misguided Yoruba youth tag us ethnic bigotry in the build up to the election. Thank God they know better now, these people hate Yoruba and not Tinubu only.

These days I'm relaxed. The work I've done in the past, I'm reaping them. My good Yoruba people are now speaking up for themselves and fighting a good fight.

I'm really happy we're now working as a team, speaking with one voice. There's still work to be done though on the few OMOALEs left. But we will get there.

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by shinealight(m): 7:36pm On Apr 08, 2023
greenandy:
Soyinka who uses big grammar to hide what he wanted to communicate. Even the
King of England will mark Soyinka wrong in his communication pattern.
Achebe communicated to every class. The King of England will mark Achebe 99% in his communication pattern.

Why didn’t your King of England put in a word for Achebe to get the Nobel Prize then? grin grin grin

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