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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by web5000: 7:16pm On Apr 13, 2023
Ojukwubucket:


The Igbo have always dusted you in everything despite all the advantages you have over them.
You first had contact with the whites long before Igbos did..
You have had Lagos as the capital of Nigeria which attracted both government and private investments..No Igbo state have ever had that..
Igbos fought the civil war and lost everything, literally starting from the scratch..
Lagos today is the center of commerce and investment which have attracted both locals and foreigners. You enjoy indigenous consideration first in employment before any others which allows you guys to occupy top posts in almost all companies.
You have had both military and civilian presidents for mores years than the Igbos..
But in all these advantages and luck you have had, the Igbos have gone toe to toe with you guys more than any other tribe in Nigeria. Reason why you hate and envy us so much..

On a level playing ground, u know the Igbo will dust your asz hands down..
I say this with all confidence

It takes high intelligence to win a war and to know which war to start (Yorubas are highly intelligent and it showed in the war, their strategies and all that) even till now as seen in politics. It is lack of intelligence that pushed Ojukwu into a war he could not win..


Before Lagos became the capital,
Calabar was the capital - part of Igbo region (old eastern region)
Asaba was also a capital closer to igbos.
And Kogi
before Lagos.

You have no excuse.

You had more advantage during the time of Nnamdi who was the first president of Nigeria.

You were the tribe in charge of the old eastern region there was calabar port, bonny etc.
You dominated other tribes there.

But you spoiled everything with greed and tribalism with the first coup killing the leaders of other regions, keeping yours alive and took over power ("if you want to answer his excellency, the process that will lead you to the office must be excellent" LoL)

The first military leader was an Igbo man.

if you were more intelligent, it should have showed under this two leaders.

Awolowo did not rule Nigeria but his intelligence was top notch, his impact in western region is seen till date.
Now that is intelligence ( Yorubas are far more intelligent than the igbos)

OBJ ruling Nigeria did not give Yorubas any special advantage as he carried all tribes along.
He is not tribalistic.

One thing I observe from history is that the
Igbos are very very tribalistic but they try to hide it and point at others.
(Imagine this Charly comparing Soyinka with Achebe if not tribal sentiment)

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Ojukwubucket(m): 7:38pm On Apr 13, 2023
web5000:


It takes high intelligence to win a war and to know which war to start (Yorubas are highly intelligent and it showed in the war, their strategies and all that) even till now as seen in politics. It is lack of intelligence that pushed Ojukwu into a war he can not win..


Before Lagos became the capital,
Calabar was the capital - part of Igbo region (old eastern region)
Asaba was also a capital closer to igbos.
And Kogi
before Lagos.

You have no excuse.

You had more advantage during the time of Nnamdi who was the first president of Nigeria.

You were the tribe in charge of the old eastern region there was calabar port, bonny etc.
You dominated other tribes there.

But you spoiled everything with greed and tribalism with the first coup killing the leaders of other regions, keeping yours alive and took over power ("if you want to answer his excellency, the process that will lead you to the office must be excellent" LoL)

The first military leader was an Igbo man.

if you were more intelligent, it should have showed under this two leaders.

Awolowo did not rule Nigeria but his intelligence was top notch, his impact in western region is seen till date.
Now that is intelligence ( Yorubas are far more intelligent than the igbos)

OBJ ruling Nigeria did not give Yorubas any special advantage as he carried all tribes along.
He is not tribalistic.

One thing I observe from history is that the
Igbos are very very tribalistic but they try to hide it and point at others.
You just want to argue.. lemme allow you..
Between the Igbo and the Yooroba who first had contact with the whites?
Lagos is a south western state and calabar is a south south State..
Most of you just argue and paint the tribal blame game on the Igbo but it is clear who the tribal bigots are..
The Igbo have never asked the Yoruba to leave their region but you tell us that at every opportunity...
Awololwo envied nnamdi Azikiwe all his life and passed it on to you guys...
God will continue to punish that tribe that doesn't want Igbo in leadership and doesn't want them to leave Nigeria...
Like or believe it or not, Igbo will continue to better you because it's in our DNA..
Reason you don't want us in leadership is because you know we will leave you behind..
I have given you the opportunity to spill loads of envy filled lies just to justify your Igbo phobic disease...
Until u endorse Biafra...don't tell us to leave ur region again because it's Nigeria.
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Putinofrussia: 8:06pm On Apr 13, 2023
Ojukwubucket:

You just want to argue.. lemme allow you..
Between the Igbo and the Yooroba who first had contact with the whites?
Lagos is a south western state and calabar is a south south State..
Most of you just argue and paint the tribal blame game on the Igbo but it is clear who the tribal bigots are..
The Igbo have never asked the Yoruba to leave their region but you tell us that at every opportunity...
Awololwo envied nnamdi Azikiwe all his life and passed it on to you guys...
God will continue to punish that tribe that doesn't want Igbo in leadership and doesn't want them to leave Nigeria...
Like or believe it or not, Igbo will continue to better you because it's in our DNA..
Reason you don't want us in leadership is because you know we will leave you behind..
I have given you the opportunity to spill loads of envy filled lies just to justify your Igbo phobic disease...
Until u endorse Biafra...don't tell us to leave ur region again because it's Nigeria.

lol
You are too dumb to argue intelligence with the Yorubas,sir.
Not Lagos but Ibadan was the most developed part of Nigeria with firsts in almost everything when Igbos were virtually living in huts.
One of the things that made and still make me know that Igbos are one of the dumbest people in the world is their learning how to wear clothes in 1921 up till 1950. grin

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by YemyTemmy: 8:18pm On Apr 13, 2023
Hedonini:
Of course. I lost respect for the old fool the moment I discerned that he was just another rodent in Tinubu's cookie room. The idiot whose voice of condemnation was very loud against the Jonathan administration somehow retreated into his shell and became deaf and dumb throughout Buhari's disastrous 8 years of sorrow.

Now after a sham election has supposedly produced a bloody thief and drug baron as president, the useless Soyinka has found his voice again, not in condemnation of the election or of the disreputable criminal that was dubiously pronounced winner, but against the people yearning for a change. Obedients are repugnant fascists and he is ready to do a debate with Datti, but he conveniently has nothing to say about INEC, Tinubu, and the APC. This is the final straw.


Obviously respecting elders wasnt part of what you are riased with, a nonentity like charlie old fool is your mentor.... May you have a child like him...amen

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Ojukwubucket(m): 11:11pm On Apr 13, 2023
Putinofrussia:

lol
You are too dumb to argue intelligence with the Yorubas,sir.
Not Lagos but Ibadan was the most developed part of Nigeria with firsts in almost everything when Igbos were virtually living in huts.
One of the things that made and still make me know that Igbos are one of the dumbest people in the world is their learning how to wear clothes in 2021 up till 2050. grin
You are so desperately shying away your almighty Lagos was the capital of Nigeria while no eastern state has ever been the capital of Nigeria.
That you have ruled Nigeria more than the Igbo..
That you first had contact with the whites before the igbo..
That your forefathers and you have always hated and envied the igbo because we are the only tribe in Nigeria that have gone toe toe with you despite all the advantages and luck you had over us.
That you vehemently oppose the Biafran dream even fighting the civil war against us just so you keep having advantage over us .
You oppose the Igbo presidency because you know it will afford us opportunity of having bragging rights and attracting development to the east. .
That we have contributed hugely more than any other tribe in investments in your region than any other..even competing with you in your region..
I'm done bantering words with envy filled hypocritical bigot like you.

On a level playing ground una no reach us..and you know it .
So keep envying and hating while we keep making it. grin
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by web5000: 11:26pm On Apr 13, 2023
Ojukwubucket:

You just want to argue.. lemme allow you..
Between the Igbo and the Yooroba who first had contact with the whites?
Lagos is a south western state and calabar is a south south State..
Most of you just argue and paint the tribal blame game on the Igbo but it is clear who the tribal bigots are..
The Igbo have never asked the Yoruba to leave their region but you tell us that at every opportunity...
Awololwo envied nnamdi Azikiwe all his life and passed it on to you guys...
God will continue to punish that tribe that doesn't want Igbo in leadership and doesn't want them to leave Nigeria...
Like or believe it or not, Igbo will continue to better you because it's in our DNA..
Reason you don't want us in leadership is because you know we will leave you behind..
I have given you the opportunity to spill loads of envy filled lies just to justify your Igbo phobic disease...
Until u endorse Biafra...don't tell us to leave ur region again because it's Nigeria.



Calabar was a south eastern state.
Asaba is igbo.
Kogi
These were capitals before Lagos

1966 first coup in Nigeria was clearly tribalistic done by the igboos

It is due to your pride, disrespect , hate , and negative attitudes to Yorubas that is causing the Yorubas to asked you to leave.

Awolowo never envied him - he only made sure his own region- western region was working fine.
Awo was known as highly intelligent.

Zik should have faced his own region instead of eyeing another man's house (this covetousness for Lagos did not start today - they should study the tenth commandment. LoL)

DNA lol
Yorubas have always been achievers from day one... Highly intelligent. You can't beat them in that area. God have blessed them with it.
From Ajayi Crowder to Herbert Macaulay to Awo to Soyinka. It is in our Spirit.

No one will ever ask you to leave Lagos if your attitude is right.

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Putinofrussia: 7:10am On Apr 14, 2023
Ojukwubucket:

1.
You are so desperately shying away your almighty Lagos was the capital of Nigeria while no eastern state has ever been the capital of Nigeria.



2.
That you have ruled Nigeria more than the Igbo..


3.
That you first had contact with the whites before the igbo..


4.
That your forefathers and you have always hated and envied the igbo because we are the only tribe in Nigeria that have gone toe toe with you despite all the advantages and luck you had over us.


[b 5.
]That you vehemently oppose the Biafran dream even fighting the civil war against us just so you keep having advantage over us .[/b]


6.
You oppose the Igbo presidency because you know it will afford us opportunity of having bragging rights and attracting development to the east. .



7.
That we have contributed hugely more than any other tribe in investments in your region than any other..even competing with you in your region..



I'm done bantering words with envy filled hypocritical bigot like you.

8.
On a level playing ground una no reach us..and you know it .



So keep envying and hating while we keep making it. grin


1.
Ibadan which Yorubas faced when the whites handled Lagos,was even more developed than Lagos then.This says a lot about the ingenuity of the Yorubas.Enugu and Igboland were backward and still backward.

2.
Obasanjo had always been anti Yoruba and didnt give Yorubas any favour over any other tribe.It is obvious that he had favoured Igbos more than even his Yoruba people.He brought Iweala,Soludo etc.He has always helped Igbos more than Yorubas so you have no point.
Igbos have been in govt with the Hausas since 1960 while Yorubas were in opposition but because of the intelligence and ingenuity of the Yorubas,they towered over the Igbos like the blue,beautiful sky.

3.
Yorubas had built an Empire just like Britain,China etc before the advent of the whites.Igbos were still very backward and under the colonisation of Igala,a smaller tribe then.
Binis had the first contact with whites in Nigeria.

4.
Yorubas have always loved and shown care to the Igbos more than any other tribe.There is nothing to envy about Igbos because they have always been our juniors in almost everything.Education,Business not petty trading o,development,intelligence etc.

5.

Yorubas wouldnt join a senseless war like the Biafran war but only joined when Igbos wanted to capture Lagos,a Yorubaland.Igbos were shown the ingenuity and warrior in the Yorubas when not more than 200 Yoruba soldiers decimated battalions of Igbo troops at Ore in Ondo state.Yorubas virtually won the war for Nigeria.

6.
Yorubas and Igbos went to the field and Yoruba came tops as usual.A million Yorubas supported Igbo presidency and millions supported Bola Tinubu.The rest is history.
Yorubas built bridges but Igbos have always destroyed the bridges they built in the 60s,70s etc.
I am sure Yorubas will support an Igbo presidency soonest.

7.
Yes,you have.We thank all those who have contributed to our region.Blessings to you all.
We have also helped to create a conducive environment for you thereby helping to grow you and the SE.


8.
There was a level playing ground during the regional system and Yorubas still triumphed by being the most developed and richest until your brother,Aguiyi Ironsi and his Igbo people put a stop to it through the unitary system because of jealousy,envy and hatred.

How can Yorubas envy Igbos when Yorubas have always had the upper hand even when Igbos were in alliance with the North in govt.
Both at home and abroad,Yorubas have always been the ones to beat.
We respect all Nigerians and pray for prosperity which I believe Tinubu brings.

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Ojukwubucket(m): 11:18am On Apr 14, 2023
Putinofrussia:


1.
Ibadan which Yorubas faced when the whites handled Lagos,was even more developed than Lagos then.This says a lot about the ingenuity of the Yorubas.Enugu and Igboland were backward and still backward.

2.
Obasanjo had always been anti Yoruba and didnt give Yorubas any favour over any other tribe.It is obvious that he had favoured Igbos more than even his Yoruba people.He brought Iweala,Soludo etc.He has always helped Igbos more than Yorubas so you have no point.
Igbos have been in govt with the Hausas since 1960 while Yorubas were in opposition but because of the intelligence and ingenuity of the Yorubas,they towered over the Igbos like the blue,beautiful sky.

3.
Yorubas had built an Empire just like Britain,China etc before the advent of the whites.Igbos were still very backward and under the colonisation of Igala,a smaller tribe then.
Binis had the first contact with whites in Nigeria.

4.
Yorubas have always loved and shown care to the Igbos more than any other tribe.There is nothing to envy about Igbos because they have always been our juniors in almost everything.Education,Business not petty trading o,development,intelligence etc.

5.

Yorubas wouldnt join a senseless war like the Biafran war but only joined when Igbos wanted to capture Lagos,a Yorubaland.Igbos were shown the ingenuity and warrior in the Yorubas when not more than 200 Yoruba soldiers decimated battalions of Igbo troops at Ore in Ondo state.Yorubas virtually won the war for Nigeria.

6.
Yorubas and Igbos went to the field and Yoruba came tops as usual.A million Yorubas supported Igbo presidency and millions supported Bola Tinubu.The rest is history.
Yorubas built bridges but Igbos have always destroyed the bridges they built in the 60s,70s etc.
I am sure Yorubas will support an Igbo presidency soonest.

7.
Yes,you have.We thank all those who have contributed to our region.Blessings to you all.
We have also helped to create a conducive environment for you thereby helping to grow you and the SE.


8.
There was a level playing ground during the regional system and Yorubas still triumphed by being the most developed and richest until your brother,Aguiyi Ironsi and his Igbo people put a stop to it through the unitary system because of jealousy,envy and hatred.

How can Yorubas envy Igbos when Yorubas have always had the upper hand even when Igbos were in alliance with the North in govt.
Both at home and abroad,Yorubas have always been the ones to beat.
We respect all Nigerians and pray for prosperity which I believe Tinubu brings.

I don't expect you to agree with me..
But fact is if you had gone through what the Igbos have gone through in Nigeria, you wouldn't have achieved up to 40% of what we achieved...
And if we had 40% of the advantages you have had, we will be far ahead of you..
Reason why you always oppose the Igbos in almost everything..
You see us as a competition while we see you as none..
Our talent is there for anyone to see.
What we need is a level playing ground and you know you can't agree us that because you know how talented and resilient we are..
Keep arguing..but we know you know what we are capable of..
But change is constant and the Igbos are always adaptable and ready but I doubt the same about you.
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Putinofrussia: 12:33pm On Apr 14, 2023
Ojukwubucket:

I don't expect you to agree with me..
But fact is if you had gone through what the Igbos have gone through in Nigeria, you wouldn't have achieved up to 40% of what we achieved...
And if we had 40% of the advantages you have had, we will be far ahead of you..
Reason why you always oppose the Igbos in almost everything..
You see us as a competition while we see you as none..
Our talent is there for anyone to see.
What we need is a level playing ground and you know you can't agree us that because you know how talented and resilient we are..
Keep arguing..but we know you know what we are capable of..
But change is constant and the Igbos are always adaptable and ready but I doubt the same about you.
lol
Igbos had always been in power with the Hausas.Even there was a time that Igbos virtually took over the entire civil service.Yes,Yorubas have always been in the opposition while Igbos were in control of almost the entirety of Nigeria with the Hausas.
Yorubas were marginalised for decades but they still stood out to be the best.
They were so hardworking that they used their cocoa to advance more than the Igbos who were very lazy.
Western Region lent money to Nigeria twice just to show how prosperous they were and still is.

Leave Nigeria and let us go abroad where there is no hindrance from Hausa,Yoruba or Igbo.
Let us leave selectedly given posts (even at that Yoruba will still come tops) who between the Yorubas and Igbos are more successful abroad?
It were only Yorubas that Trump and lately,Biden saw were worthy Nigerians to participate in their govts.

Igbos anywhere do not have the ilk of Deinde Fernandez,Harry Akande,Bayo Ogunlesi,Lookman Kas Lawal etc.

You sound like a broken record already.
Okay,what about the level playing ground given to Igbos when we practised regionalism sir?

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Ojukwubucket(m): 3:46pm On Apr 14, 2023
Putinofrussia:

lol
Igbos had always been in power with the Hausas.Even there was a time that Igbos virtually took over the entire civil service.Yes,Yorubas have always been in the opposition while Igbos were in control of almost the entirety of Nigeria with the Hausas.
Yorubas were marginalised for decades but they still stood out to be the best.
They were so hardworking that they used their cocoa to advance more than the Igbos who were very lazy.
Western Region lent money to Nigeria twice just to show how prosperous they were and still is.

Leave Nigeria and let us go abroad where there is no hindrance from Hausa,Yoruba or Igbo.
Let us leave selectedly given posts (even at that Yoruba will still come tops) who between the Yorubas and Igbos are more successful abroad?
It were only Yorubas that Trump and lately,Biden saw were worthy Nigerians to participate in their govts.

Igbos anywhere do not have the ilk of Deinde Fernandez,Harry Akande,Bayo Ogunlesi,Lookman Kas Lawal etc.

You sound like a broken record already.
Okay,what about the level playing ground given to Igbos when we practised regionalism sir?
Lol..
When you were practicing regionalism was Lagos not still the capital of Nigeria?
If the Igbos had joined with the north in fighting you, would you have survived till today?
In Lagos, your heaven and earth, Igbos compete with you in investments despite all your advantage of being indigenes and controlling the government..
Infact your notable rich people used govt connections in acquiring their wealth..
Igbos are everywhere in the world making wealth while your people only concentrate in USA, UK and Canada where they have their brothers whom they use a stepping stone..
Bros, u guys are no match to us reason u always have us in your mouth at every slightest opportunity to down talk us...
The way you guys carry our matter for head eh grin..very envious people
We are our own competitors not you..
An average Igbo knows who your people are...
Though I respect some of your people who are educated and traveled. They are better than you lots who hide under ur almighty Lagos to insult Igbos who have seen it all and been everywhere in the world
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Putinofrussia: 8:08pm On Apr 14, 2023
Ojukwubucket:

Lol..
When you were practicing regionalism was Lagos not still the capital of Nigeria?
If the Igbos had joined with the north in fighting you, would you have survived till today?
In Lagos, your heaven and earth, Igbos compete with you in investments despite all your advantage of being indigenes and controlling the government..
Infact your notable rich people used govt connections in acquiring their wealth..
Igbos are everywhere in the world making wealth while your people only concentrate in USA, UK and Canada where they have their brothers whom they use a stepping stone..
Bros, u guys are no match to us reason u always have us in your mouth at every slightest opportunity to down talk us...
The way you guys carry our matter for head eh grin..very envious people
We are our own competitors not you..
An average Igbo knows who your people are...
Though I respect some of your people who are educated and traveled. They are better than you lots who hide under ur almighty Lagos to insult Igbos who have seen it all and been everywhere in the world
lol
And Lagos was part of Western Region?
Igbos are mostly shadily in some Asian nations doing what they do best.
Yorubas are the only people that are everywhere in the world positively impacting wherever they are.

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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Ojukwubucket(m): 9:27pm On Apr 14, 2023
Putinofrussia:

lol
And Lagos was part of Western Region?
Igbos are mostly shadily in some Asian nations doing what they do best.
Yorubas are the only people that are everywhere in the world positively impacting wherever they are.
So Lagos was a no man's land?
Like ur president select? grin
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by GreatCracker(m): 6:22pm On Apr 17, 2023
Aptly written, remain blessed
Gajagojo:

People watch porn more than anything on the internet
People eat more McDonalds than anything else does not make it good or healthy
from your logic porn is BIGGER than anything since it is The most popular thing on The internet

The truth is literature is not commercial writing otherwise James Hadley Chase and Jackie Collins would win Nobel prizes
Things Fall Apart was nothing spectacular literally.
It is a good read at the level of secondary school level.
What is the summary of Things Fall apart?Have you read it?
It's appeal was it was A FIRST.
Published at a time when no one has published anything out of Africa and the world wanted to see what Africa had to offer.
Nigerian government promoted it by using it's influence to make it compulsory reading for WAEC across West Africa
. Books were read across Africa in the post colonial era because the Nigerian government promoted them. Secondary school level writing is what Achebe was good at.
Soyinka wrote plays. He is a playwright like Shakespeare as well as a poet. He is not primarily a novelist. His plays have been performed at the Natiional Theatre in London. Literature is not just about novels
So.if you want to talk Nobel Prize in literature for the last 20 years do not look for the author of Harry Potter,Robert Ludlum ,Jackie Collins etc
Look for INTELLECTUAL works

Ben Okri,Christopher Okigbo and many other Nigerians have published much greater works than Achebe who wrote for children
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Shaneroberts: 6:27pm On Apr 18, 2023
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