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MaxInDHouse:
Exactly!

Fruitcake

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=122445301]Nooooooooo!
That's not how immortal beings reason, it's you who feels death is normal that thinks it's nothing to be ashamed of but as for people who have never tasted death for thousands of years it brings agony to their brains! Luke 22:39-43
What are you saying. The thought of death or dying brings agony to everyone's brain. But the agony here is endless. Meaning the person did not die. Why didn't the agony stop at death. Remember you said no activity after death.

Do you see where angels came consoling Jesus? Well they're simply reminding him that it's just for three days and three nights not forever! what does this have to do with endless agony

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ what comes to your mind when you remember the name Sodom and Gomorrah?

Do you remember that the city was once really influential and big commercial centers or the fire that came out of heaven to consume these cities?
Well that's what Revelations is simply telling you!

What does the remembering of an ancient city have to do with their torment lasting forever. Please explain.

tctrills:
I have a friend who died of an accident, when I remember him, does he get tormented?

Was his death a punishment from God?

If not then the hope of seeing him again will linger in your heart but let's imagine that he was caught with a gang of robbers and after he was convicted sentenced to death by hanging of course you will continue to feel he's gone forever never to be your friend again.

That's what it means!

MaxInDHouse:
Such a baby hasn't built a personality that we can remember so it will be a stranger in God's Kingdom, we can have another baby we don't need the one that hasn't build any relationship with us nah!

Whether death due to oldage, sickness or accident it still boils down to the punishment of Adamic sin so there's going to be a resurrection of faithful people but as for the wicked (those God destroyed in His anger) they have been forgotten for good! Psalms 9:17

When Jesus used illustration of sheep and goat do you conclude that all literal sheep will be in God's Kingdom while all literal goats will be destroyed?
Ọmọ Jesus used children to illustrate the act of being humble and teachable not that all literal babies are sinless jọọ!

What if the baby becomes autistic or have Down's Syndrome and cannot listen to your preaching, does he go to hell?

MaxInDHouse:
Was his death a punishment from God?

If not then the hope of seeing him again will linger in your heart but let's imagine that he was caught with a gang of robbers and after he was convicted sentenced to death by hanging of course you will continue to feel he's gone forever never to be your friend again.

That's what it means!

I like your armed robber example better. So let's assume I have a robber friend that was killed, when I remember his death. I would be the one tormented not him or is it different for JW members. I would be the one to suffer shame not the dead guy. Is that not the same in your Church?

MaxInDHouse:
Was his death a punishment from God?

If not then the hope of seeing him again will linger in your heart but let's imagine that he was caught with a gang of robbers and after he was convicted sentenced to death by hanging of course you will continue to feel he's gone forever never to be your friend again.

That's what it means!

So according to JW, when the bible says that the wicked would be tormented forever, it means that their friends would be tormented in their behalf right?

MaxInDHouse:
Answer mine first after all i've been answering your always!

My question was before yours, sir

MaxInDHouse:
Yes! They return to the dust for dust they are and to dust they shall return {Genesis 3:19} the word Hell means Grave where they are covered to decay!

Ok

MaxInDHouse:
Jehovah never promised His worshipers anything apart from life saving informations and wholesome brotherhood everything others experience they will also experience.
There are atheists who are rich and many are poor, there are atheists who are sick and many are healthy, the same applies to people having faith. The only difference is wisdom {Proverbs 2:1-5} and a global family of peace loving worshipers {Mark 10:28-30} that's what atheists can never ever have!

But your buybull said you shall inherit the land

jaephoenix:
What if the baby becomes autistic or have Down's Syndrome and cannot listen to your preaching, does he go to hell?

Guy that's an infirmity but as long as we take the child to and fro our places of worship with other worshipers of God talking to him/her of course such a child has built a relationship with God's people. Now imagine Jesus is here with us and such a person is found among us what do you think Jesus will do?
Well let me take you there, Jesus will put a big smile on our faces by removing the infirmity.
That's exactly what will happen to anyone who is found among God's people as our guest in God's Kingdom!

tctrills:
I like your armed robber example better. So let's assume I have a robber friend that was killed, when I remember his death. I would be the one tormented not him or is it different for JW members. I would be the one to suffer shame not the dead guy. Is that not the same in your Church?

Naaaaaaaaaaaaa. You have forgotten that this has to do with the Jews who has a different thought regarding shame not a black man like you who feel it's only when you're alive that shame is on you.

To a Jew shame is for those who failed not those that succeed. So anyone who failed to continue living after a thousand years of Christ reign is the one with everlasting shame because his friends will never like to feel being his friends again.

tctrills:
So according to JW, when the bible says that the wicked would be tormented forever, it means that their friends would be tormented in their behalf right?

Ọmọ it simply means people who heard of them will never like to relate with them just as you won't hear anyone who will like to think about having anything to do with Sodom and Gomorrah!

jaephoenix:
My question was before yours, sir

Were you born an atheist?

YES or NO.

jaephoenix:
But your buybull said you shall inherit the land

When all evildoers are clearly away from this planet:

Commit your way to Jehovah; Rely on him, and he will act in your behalf. He will make your righteousness shine like daybreak, And your justice like the midday sun. Keep silent before Jehovah And wait expectantly for him. Do not be upset by the man Who succeeds in carrying out his schemes. Let go of anger and abandon rage; Do not become upset and turn to doing evil. For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth. Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there. But the meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace! Psalms 37:5-11

The above promise will be fulfilled when God's Kingdom comes that's why Jesus urged us to pray for it! Matthew 6:10

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ it simply means people who heard of them will never like to relate with them just as you won't hear anyone who will like to think about having anything to do with Sodom and Gomorrah!

How does this relate to their eternal torment and shame.
So according to JW, the bible is wrong for telling us that these evil people would suffer torment forever rather we should believe the new JW teaching that no one would relate to them right?

MaxInDHouse:
Naaaaaaaaaaaaa. You have forgotten that this has to do with the Jews who has a different thought regarding shame not a black man like you who feel it's only when you're alive that shame is on you.

To a Jew shame is for those who failed not those that succeed. So anyone who failed to continue living after a thousand years of Christ reign is the one with everlasting shame because his friends will never like to feel being his friends again.

Ok, the Jews feel shame in death but the black men feel shame only while alive?
So the dead Jews feel shame for eternity how?

tctrills:
How does this relate to their eternal torment and shame. So according to JW, the bible is wrong for telling us that these evil people would suffer torment forever rather we should believe the new JW teaching that no one would relate to them right?

You can believe whatever suit you but the one who created everything said:

They have built the high places of Toʹpheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinʹnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart.’ Jeremiah 7:31

Paul said:

For the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin" Romans 6:7

For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23

So according to God's word DEATH is the ultimate punishment for sin not torment that's why the Bible says Jesus spoke and taught many things in parables {Matthew 13:34} you can continue dreaming of how God will extend the punishment of sin but we know that anything heard or written apart death is a parable what God told Adam in the beginning is either LIFE (full of activities) or DEATH (the condition of inactivity)

tctrills:
Ok, the Jews feel shame in death but the black men feel shame only while alive?
So the dead Jews feel shame for eternity how?

Ọmọ Jews feel like relating with people who died as faithful worshipers of God but anyone who died as an unbeliever they don't want to be mentioned in connection with such a person!

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ Jews feel like relating with people who died as faithful worshipers of God but anyone who died as an unbeliever they don't want to be mentioned in connection with such a person!

That's not the question here. The question is who suffers torment forever and ever. The living Jews of the unbelievers

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=122449383]You can believe whatever suit you but the one who created everything said:

They have built the high places of Toʹpheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinʹnom, in order [color=red]to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart this is talking about idol worship. What does it have to do with eternal torment of the wicked.

Paul said:

[b]For the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin Another topic that has nothing to do with the topic.

For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23 This is why we all die. But in Christ all men would resurrect

So according to God's word DEATH is the ultimate punishment for sin not torment. God never said death is an ultimate punishment it's you saying it. Please lets depend on God's words not your opinion

So according to God's word DEATH is the ultimate punishment for sin not torment
Now let's read God's words to know if you are right. And this is no parable.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

tctrills:
That's not the question here. The question is who suffers torment forever and ever. The living Jews of the unbelievers

The inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah are gone but the name of those cities is like torment to whoever knows what it means.
So whether you accept it or not the Jews that heard Jesus fully understood that the dead had no feelings {Ecclesiastes 9:6} it's the living that will feel bad being mentioned in connection with those that God punished!

tctrills:
So according to God's word DEATH is the ultimate punishment for sin not torment
Now let's read God's words to know if you are right. And this is no parable.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Ọ̀gbẹ́ni there's no Lake Of Fire anywhere it simply means death without a hope of resurrection for humans and conditions that will be done away with for good.

That's what it means:

And death and the Grave were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire! Revelations 20:14

So the Lake Of Fire symbolize what will never be called to mind again, Satan, demons, false prophets, false religions, death and grave will never be heard again in the lives of those who survived into God's Kingdom.

That's what it means!

tctrills:
So according to God's word DEATH is the ultimate punishment for sin not torment. God never said death is an ultimate punishment it's you saying it. Please lets depend on God's words not your opinion

God told Adam:

But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die! Genesis 2:17

Satan told Eve:

“You certainly will not die" Genesis 3:4

Satan has been promoting this lie for thousands of years but God keep His own people duly informed regarding what happens at death! Ecclesiastes 9 5-10; Romans 6:7, 23

That's why you need to study the Bible with JWs otherwise you will continue to remain speechless regarding this things saying you're catching fun when interested individuals are learning!

MaxInDHouse:
The inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah are gone but the name of those cities is like torment to whoever knows what it means.
So whether you accept it or not the Jews that heard Jesus fully understood that the dead had no feelings {Ecclesiastes 9:6} it's the living that will feel bad being mentioned in connection with those that God punished!

Epic reply sir

Dont mind him
He's unlearnable
Having nothing to offer but asking questions like small pikin

Aemmyjah:
Epic reply sir
Dont mind him
He's unlearnable
Having nothing to offer but asking questions like small pikin

Due to fear of atheists and their intimidating questions tctrills always say he's catching fun on Nairaland but he often raise topics that he should seek answers so after i've tried him for sometimes i discovered he's not sincere that's why i abandoned him.
Now he wants to argue yet he's back to default mode: always asking without answering.

If newly born babies aren't God's enemies like what Stephen Leth said why did God destroy millions of babies in Noah's days?

When Abraham the father of all those having faith was negotiating with God over Sodom and Gomorrah Abraham's first question is:

b]“Please, here I have presumed to speak to Jehovah, whereas I am dust and ashes. Suppose the 50 righteous should lack five. Because of the five will you destroy the whole city?” Genesis 18:27-28[/b]

Going by what most faithless miscreants think about little babies, did Abraham count those babies as God's friends when he asked for 45 righteous people?
Should any reasonable person think all the children in Sodom and Gomorrah are 45 in number?

Faithless miscreants!

MaxInDHouse:
God told Adam:

But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die! Genesis 2:17

Satan told Eve:

“You certainly will not die" Genesis 3:4

Satan has been promoting this lie for thousands of years but God keep His own people duly informed regarding what happens at death! Ecclesiastes 9 5-10; Romans 6:7, 23

That's why you need to study the Bible with JWs otherwise you will continue to remain speechless regarding this things saying you're catching fun when interested individuals are learning!

All the scriptures your quoted have nothing to do with resurrecting and eternal torment.
The verses you quoted do not oppose Resurrection and the torment of the wicked.
Unlike you, I do not agree with some verses and oppose others. These verses go hand in hand

MaxInDHouse:
Ọ̀gbẹ́ni there's no Lake Of Fire anywhere it simply means death without a hope of resurrection for humans and conditions that will be done away with for good.

That's what it means:

And death and the Grave were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire! Revelations 20:14

So the Lake Of Fire symbolize what will never be called to mind again, Satan, demons, false prophets, false religions, death and grave will never be heard again in the lives of those who survived into God's Kingdom.

That's what it means!

So you call God a liar right? Or you are smarter than Christ. Who do we believe? You or Christ?

MaxInDHouse:
The inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah are gone but the name of those cities is like torment to whoever knows what it means.
So whether you accept it or not the Jews that heard Jesus fully understood that the dead had no feelings {Ecclesiastes 9:6} it's the living that will feel bad being mentioned in connection with those that God punished!

So you are saying Christ was wrong. The torment is not for the wicked but those that know the wicked right?
Infact, you are trying to correct Christ for saying the wicked would be tormented not those that know the wicked.
Also Ecclesiastes 9:6 has nothing to do with this because we learn that the Judgement comes after resurrection.

Aemmyjah:
Having nothing to offer but asking questions like small pikin

It is a fact that the act of asking questions is a clear trait of a critical thinking mind.

Asking great questions is a huge part of thinking critically, yet so often we either don’t ask enough questions or even the ‘right’ questions.

This is because we don’t slow down long enough to either really listen (when asking questions of others) or really reflect (when asking questions of ourselves).

Yet the more we can ask questions the more creativity, innovation, solutions and breakthroughs we encourage...

Why are you insulting Tctrills for asking questions?

Or are you a robot that doesn't think critically and swallows everything hook, line and sinker without asking questions?

🤔🤔

bobestman:
■ The truth is clear. Only those given it can tell it. You can read the bible 1000 times and still not get it. Truth is not given to dogs on gold plates. They will eat and destroy the plates. This is why the messiah speaks in parables and why the scripture was coded. You will read but will not understand.
■ Only those given the knowledge can teach it. Remain stucked in your delusions!

1. I can't even boast of haven read the entire book even once since God, who happens to be my Teacher in this, does not seem to place much value in such rituals.

2. Stop lying! According to God, it is instead those who do as He commands that He will reveal His Truth to, and since you obviously don't care much for His teachings and commandments, it becomes clear why you remain entangled in religious as the others you love to hate on also are.