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MaxInDHouse:
Go and worship your god i know mine that's why i speak on His behalf there's no need for endless arguments, yours differs from mine the only issue we have is quoting the Bible to support different Gods so keep your god while i keep mine!

You make a good point. So let's summarize.

1. According to your God, many of Jesus Christ's parables contradict His word.
2. The Wicked would not be tormented forever rather, the torment is for those who would remember them.

These are the 2 issues that separate us in this regard. Anyway, it's always fun doing this with you.

Anyhow you want it i'm not interested in fruitless arguments!

When Jesus says what's contradictory to the inspired expressions of the prophets like fire burning as punishment for sin then it's a parable because death is the wages of sin according to the inspired expressions of God's prophets.
There is no torment for the dead since death is ultimate wage for sin and in death there is no activity! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

You and i worship different Gods, mine hates sin so all humans are born sinners that why we must do our best to inculcate in them the love of our God who wants them to live forever.
As for all those that refuses to avail themselves for this provisions they're all returning to none existence from where they came not everlasting life in pains because life everlasting is a gift from my own God to the righteous not the wicked!

tctrills:
You make a good point. So let's summarize.

1. According to your God, many of Jesus Christ's parables contradict His word.
2. The Wicked would not be tormented forever rather, the torment is for those who would remember them.

These are the 2 issues that separate us in this regard. Anyway, it's always fun doing this with you.

MaxInDHouse:
Anyhow you want it i'm not interested in fruitless arguments!

When Jesus says what's contradictory to the inspired expressions of the prophets like fire burning as punishment for sin then it's a parable because death is the wages of sin according to the inspired expressions of God's prophets.
There is no torment for the dead since death is ultimate wage for sin and in death there is no activity! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

You and i worship different Gods, mine hates sin so all humans are born sinners that why we must do our best to inculcate in them the love of our God who wants them to live forever.
As for all those that refuses to avail themselves for this provisions they're all returning to none existence from where they came not everlasting life in pains because life everlasting is a gift from my own God to the righteous not the wicked!

You keep getting one thing wrong. We both agree with Ecclesiastes 9:5-10. A dead body has no activity. But no one is talking about the dead. We are talking about resurrected beings, not dead people.

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Kobojunkie:
1. Abeg piss off with this that continues to read like brain damage!

lol. E pain you. Read what you wrote again. That is how you know a damaged brain. You only restore that which was lost or corrupted. The raw truth can only come when the true sons/daughters are restored. God works only with his ppl for salvation is of the hebrews. Righteousness and truth is what matters for now untill the hebrews are restored. And then the true way and temple is restored - isaiah 2. The messiah must first return to his temple as a priest - the BRANCH. And purify or consecrate a few of his ppl to offer the right offerings. I know you will want to call this a lie and claim it was already fulfilled. The messiah didn't restore his ppl the lost sheep he came to find acts 1:6. He was not made their king or priest physically. The temple was destroyed after his death. This shows that it was all in the future and unfufilled. I will continue to correct you untill you get it

MaxInDHouse:
What book? What chapter and verse is it written that the Messiah has a wife and son o?

You asked for it, i gave you. You turned a blind eye. Now you want me to go back again. Go search it out yourself. It is here

bobestman:
You asked for it, i gave you. You turned a blind eye. Now you want me to go back again. Go search it out yourself. It is here

Ọmọ you're a liar!

Messiah never had a wife nor child so stop this blind arguments it won't lead you anywhere!

tctrills:
You keep getting one thing wrong. We both agree with Ecclesiastes 9:5-10. A dead body has no activity. But no one is talking about the dead. We are talking about resurrected beings, not dead people.

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

We can't agree on the highlighted rendering because my own Bible says:

All those in God's memory book/ memorial tombs which is harmony with Psalms 9:17.
Wicked people will not be remembered!

As for those who got resurrected they will live for a thousand years after which they will either enter God's Kingdom for good if they're worthy but if not they will return to death that's why Revelations 20:14 called it SECOND DEATH!

MaxInDHouse:
We can't agree on the highlighted rendering because my own Bible says:

All those in God's memory book/ memorial tombs which is harmony with Psalms 9:17.
Wicked people will not be remembered!

As for those who got resurrected they will live for a thousand years after which they will either enter God's Kingdom for good if they're worthy but if not they will return to death that's why Revelations 20:14 called it SECOND DEATH!

I guess your bible is different
Psalm 9:17

17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
Compare to Rev 20.10
And Rev 20.10 explains the second death. Also read Rev 14.10 for better understanding

tctrills:
I guess your bible is different
Psalm 9:17

17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
Compare to Rev 20.10
And Rev 20.10 explains the second death. Also read Rev 14.10 for better understanding

The wicked shall be turned into hell (grave)

They will no longer be alive! Psalms 37:9-10

So that faithful and obedient mankind can continue to live in peace {Psalms 37:11} forever! Psalms 37:29

Kobojunkiee:
1. So where do YHWH and Heaven come into that?

God's intention, as I believe it, is to minimize the number of those who in fact make it through to the Kingdom of God
What does 'God' and 'Kingdom of god' mean?

Kobojunkiee:
Read the passage and the response as many times as it will take you to grasp what is in fact stated abeg!

Bro, quit dodging. That is exactly what your post means. If you think I'm lying, rephrase it and post it here, then compare it with your original post

MaxInDHouse:
Death is like a relief for any suffering creature God created life for His children (humans) to enjoy it {Genesis 1:26-28} He wants us to enjoy every moment of it to the full that's why He detests it when humans brings pain and suffering upon their fellow humans {Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9} so when humans alienated themselves from God He knew that the suffering will be much that's why He declared death upon them reducing their days {Genesis 6:3} and to the minimum of 70-80 {Psalms 90:10} so they can go and bring Him no more heart break because His eyes are too pure to continue looking unto the suffering of His children! Habakkuk 1:13

So if Satan now confused you into thinking this same person will now sustain humans in pains not for seconds or minutes or hours or days or weeks or years but forever.

Then it means you know nothing about our happy God! 1Timothy 1:11

Are saying Yahweh isn't omniscient?

MaxInDHouse:
Does this mean Sarcasm?
Because that's what i does to people who knew fact but chose to twist it!

You're the one twisting here. You said Yahweh didn’t create Satan. So who created him?

MaxInDHouse:
The wicked shall be turned into hell (grave)

They will no longer be alive! Psalms 37:9-10

So that faithful and obedient mankind can continue to live in peace {Psalms 37:11} forever! Psalms 37:29

Again you are wrong. The verses quoted did not say that the wicked will no longer be alive.
Please learn to read your bible. Below is what is written
For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the Lord, they shall inherit the earth.

10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.

You are welcome

jaephoenix:
■ God's intention, as I believe it, is to minimize the number of those who in fact make it through to the Kingdom of God
What does 'God' and 'Kingdom of god' mean?

1. Last, I checked, Jesus Christ said the Kingdom of God is ruled over by Him hence He is God in the Kingdom of God - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. And if you read scripture, you would note that not everyone out there can qualify to gain access into the Kingdom either through the Broad Gate or the Narrow Gate. What I said is written right there in scripture, so what problem are you having grasping what is in fact written?

jaephoenix:
■ Bro, quit dodging. That is exactly what your post means. If you think I'm lying, rephrase it and post it here, then compare it with your original post

1. No dodging here! Just wondering why you remain confused about what is clearly stated.

MaxInDHouse:
The wicked shall be turned into hell (grave)

They will no longer be alive! Psalms 37:9-10

So that faithful and obedient mankind can continue to live in peace {Psalms 37:11} forever! Psalms 37:29

Sorry to take you back but I need to correct one of your major errors further.
Revelations 20.10 could in no way be a parable. It was not Jesus or anyone speaking. It was a vision. John was recording what he saw. In the vision, he saw the evildoers being tormented forever and ever. So please stop teaching your members that it was a parable of Jesus Christ.
The same goes for Revelations 14.10.

Again, the bible clearly states that evil people would be resurrected after the 1000 years reign of Christ.

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

You are welcome

MaxInDHouse:
If you don't understand something just ask and you will be informed! Matthew 7:7-8

All babies are God's enemies for sure because we are all born atheists it's our parents that must struggle really hard to inculcate in our hearts love for God through intensive teaching along with thorough monitoring to make sure we build in our hearts the love for God! Deuteronomy 6:4-7

That's why most children nowadays are swiftly turning to atheism (default mode) because the parents aren't really believers in God and they can't give what they don't have. Each believer must see his or her child like an arrow that doesn't know the direction it should go so it's the parent that will serve as skillful archers {Psalms 127:4} and direct the child to the place he should go! Proverbs 22:6

When God created the first couple they were perfect but after they sinned they can't produce perfect children {Romans 3:23; 5:12} King David confirmed this when he said:

Look! I was born guilty of error, And my mother conceived me in sin. Psalms 51:5

So it's this inherited sin that made all babies enemies of God because sin is not of God!

Glory to god for making babies his enemies 🤦🏼‍♂️

MaxInDHouse:
YES! So we have to inculcate in them the love of God making them peacelovers not hopeless, worthless and useless athiests who just feel like killing and getting killed due to politics!

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Guy rest😁

MrPresident1:
You are defending satanism right here on this Nairaland, I mean, there are people defending satanism on Nairaland? Children are the enemies of God, due to 'Adamic sin'?

All of you will be wiped away. None of you dogs of Satan will escape hellfire. Not a single of you will escape judgment

Babies are enemies of God?

The effrontery and the brazen in-your-face no holds barred endless and continuous blasphemy! Una no dey fear?

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Wetin you dey talk?

jaephoenix:
Are saying Yahweh isn't omniscient?

He never claimed to be that's why you need to know the difference between what the Bible says about Himself and what churchgoers are saying about Him!

tctrills:
Again you are wrong. The verses quoted did not say that the wicked will no longer be alive.
Please learn to read your bible. Below is what is written
For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the Lord, they shall inherit the earth.

10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.

You are welcome

Cut off from among those in existence!

tctrills:
Sorry to take you back but I need to correct one of your major errors further.
Revelations 20.10 could in no way be a parable. It was not Jesus or anyone speaking. It was a vision. John was recording what he saw. In the vision, he saw the evildoers being tormented forever and ever. So please stop teaching your members that it was a parable of Jesus Christ.
The same goes for Revelations 14.10.

Again, the bible clearly states that evil people would be resurrected after the 1000 years reign of Christ.

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

You are welcome

You keep saying people should read our book when we that have studied it from cover to cover are telling you what's in there but you're arguing blindly!

Well this is what is written in the opening words of the Bible book of Revelation:

A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he (Jesus) sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John! Revelations 1:1

So i ask you Mr atheist, who is talking (revealing) to John here in the Bible book of Revelation?

And was Jesus literally talking or using symbolism (signs) ?

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ you're a liar!

Messiah never had a wife nor child so stop this blind arguments it won't lead you anywhere!

you are baby spiritually. This is hidden from you all. The ppl of the of the book know even before the bible was put together. You are a blind man listening to blind ppl and together you all are heading for the dustbin

Azrael001:
Glory to god for making babies his enemies 🤦🏼‍♂️

Don't be stupid, what faithless miscreants like you think about God's enemies totally differs from what Jesus taught us to do with God's enemies.
We are to make peace between God and His enemies that's what makes us peacemakers {Matthew 5:9} if you don't believe babies are God's enemies why not answer the questions asked?
God destroyed babies in Noah's days, Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho, Amalek even Israelite babies too and Jesus still warned the Israelites that God will destroy their babies as in those been breastfed! Luke 21:23

So if you don't believe in what Jesus himself said please keep shut!

Azrael001:
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Atheist nobody is using your hands to type so if you can't bear the truth get lost!

bobestman:
you are baby spiritually. This is hidden from you all. The ppl of the of the book know even before the bible was put together. You are a blind man listening to blind ppl and together you all are heading for the dustbin

Liar quote where Messiah has a wife and son period!

MaxInDHouse:
You keep saying people should read our book when we that have studied it from cover to cover are telling you what's in there but you're arguing blindly!

Well this is what is written in the opening words of the Bible book of Revelation:

A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he (Jesus) sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John! Revelations 1:1

So i ask you Mr atheist, who is talking (revealing) to John here in the Bible book of Revelation?

And was Jesus literally talking or using symbolism (signs) ?

shut up! Reading cover to cover without knowledge is foolishness. You and your scamming organisation are heading to the dustbin cos of your lies. A brainwashed and ignorant fool claiming to be wise

bobestman:
shut up! Reading cover to cover without knowledge is foolishness. You and your scamming organisation are heading to the dustbin cos of your lies. A brainwashed and ignorant fool claiming to be wise

Guy you can't save your face this time.

Your own assignment is just to quote a verse as in just one verse in any version of the Bible where the Messiah (Christ) has a wife and son that's all!

MaxInDHouse:
Liar quote where Messiah has a wife and son period!

go thru the post and get it. I gave you when you requested for it. A student must do anything to gain knowledge. Go and dig

bobestman:
go thru the post and get it. I gave you when you requested for it. A student must do anything to gain knowledge. Go and dig

Guy you're just an idiot please stop quoting me if you don't have anything to back up your assertions!

MaxInDHouse:
Guy you can't save your face this time.

Your own assignment is just to quote a verse as in just one verse in any version of the Bible where the Messiah (Christ) has a wife and son that's all!

i will not tell you again. Go and find it. Knowledge is not given to dogs. They don't know the value.