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jaephoenix:
You call an ark a small boat? Really?
Can a small boat accommodate all the animals in the world?

When I mean small, he wasn't building a titanic or cruise ship.

jaephoenix:
Sorry, was Lucifer an angel?

My highlighted clearly states man has a right to make a choice.
Angels don't have that right- those that rebelled against God were sent to eternal damnation without any option of repentance or change of mind.

jaephoenix:
Are angels amongst these celestial beings?

Already answered.

SIRTee15:
My highlighted clearly states man has a right to make a choice.
Angels don't have that right- if they rebel, it's eternal damnation without any option of repentance or change of mind.

You are contradicting yourself again.
How can they rebel if they have no choice?

So angel Michael can still rebel against yahweh, and since your god is not omniscience he won’t know until it’s too late.

SIRTee15:
Already answered.

If they have no freewill how can they rebel?

jaephoenix:
That is why I asked you to define Destiny? Obviously you don't know what it is? Nigerian pastors have trusted that were beyond recognition.
This is the definition of destiny from Merriam-Webster.
1
: something to which a person or thing is destined : FORTUNE
wants to control his own destiny
2
: a predetermined course of events often held to be an irresistible power or agency
felt that destiny would determine their future
As you can see, its predetermined, meaning when one is born, what s/he'll be, his or her death age, wealthy or not, is already known and cannot be changed. No matter what s/he do.
I'm a fatalist atheist.
About African destiny, if its already pre-determined, then there's nothing you can do about it

Mr irreversible destiny, u are a closet Muslim. because this is what Muslims believe about life.
U are beating around the bush, u are still not clear. Come out plainly and answer this
Someone who died as an armed robber, was that his pre determined destiny when he was born?
A prostitute who ended up being murdered by her client, was that her predetermined destiny from day one of her life? To grow up and become a prostitute, nothing can change it?
Fatalist atheist? Are u kidding ? How can there be fatalism without an author or supernatural force. What's writing the script, why can't man change his choice based on his own life reflection. Why must u end up in the same circumstances irrespective of what u do? Seriously, I think u are lost.
Just like TenQ said, it's better we discuss philosophy with u guys than theology.

Africa has no hope and it's lost. Na wa o. No wonder u guys vote for irresponsible leaders since what will be will be. Maynman do you agree with him?
In that case, africans should sit their butt in Africa and stop migrating to place where they believe the prosperity and future of their countries is in their hands.

SIRTee15:
Mr irreversible destiny, u are a closet Muslim. because this is what Muslims believe about life.
U are beating around the bush, u are still not clear. Come out plainly and answer this
Someone who died as an armed robber, was that his pre determined destiny when he was born?
A prostitute who ended up being murdered by her client, was that her predetermined destiny from day one of her life? To grow up and become a prostitute, nothing can change it?
Fatalist atheist? Are u kidding ? How can there be fatalism without an author or supernatural force. What's writing the script, why can't man change his choice based on his own life reflection. Why must u end up in the same circumstances irrespective of what u do? Seriously, I think u are lost.
Just like TenQ said, it's better we discuss philosophy with u guys than theology.

So your god doesn’t know the future?

jaephoenix:
1. Bro, I brought scientifically diagnosed cases from medical journals because anyone can claim anything online (myself included). And that example is better than me saying I know so-so and so person who had spontaneous remission after a late prostate cancer that has metastasized to the lung or liver.
2. And yes lots of people get cured of cancers worldwide, not just in nigeria. Thanks to science and not yahweh.
3. So you're saying your index patient never had a drop of chemo or ray of radio? How was the diagnosis of the late cervical CA made?

Have u actually seen a case of advanced cervical cancer with fungating mass b4? Biopsy is for what u already know which we did anyway.
I already told u she had no chemo, radio or surgery.
Guy u are beginning to sound like those Pharisees in John 9 who were pestering that blind man who was healed by Jesus.
They wouldn't believe the poor guy but still wouldn't let him be.

jaephoenix:
Looks like you don't understand. Ok lemme break it down.
Before we are born, yahweh knows if we are gonna make heaven or not, right? And this(making or losing heaven) happens irrespective of whatever we do on earth: its our destiny, right?
So why watch us get born and give us this notion of 'freewill' when its already predetermined?

Already answered, no need going around in circles.
Just like TenQ said, u guys are confusing foreknowledge with destiny.

SIRTee15:
Already answered, no need going around in circles.
Just like TenQ said, u guys are confusing foreknowledge with destiny.

Define foreknowledge and destiny.

SIRTee15:
Already answered, no need going around in circles.
Just like TenQ said, u guys are confusing foreknowledge with destiny.

Since your god has foreknowledge, does your god know the exact number of people that will go to hell before he created them?

jaephoenix:
Ok. Lemme refresh.
1. Who created the concept of death for sin? Yahweh. Is it possible for him to forgive as an omnibenevolent god? Yes. There you go! A god that does not want to forgive the sin of his creations but instead imposes the law that they die or he kills his own son to appease himself for their sins. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY HE IS NOT OMBIBENEVOLENT?

2. There is further indictment for Yahweh. He purportedly created humans and the earth, including evil too , so why is he angry at the outcome of his creations?
Besides he is omniscient so knows how Lucifer would deceive and con Adam via the tree of knowledge, yet he went ahead to create both Lucifer and the tree(he even gave the tree luscious fruits and kept it in the middle of the Garden where Adam and Eve would be able to admire it) and got angry when the inevitable happened.
3. You seem not to understand the plot. Yahweh knew all along that man would sin again after even after he destroys us with the flood. So why kill everyone in the first place? Why not kill his son first ab initio instead of the flood, since he is so bloodthirsty.
4. CAN AN OMNISCIENT AND ALL-KNOWING GOD REGRET ON HIS ACTIONS OR BE SURPRISED BY THE ACTIONS OF HIS CREATIONS?
As a rejoinder, if yahweh knows the exact number of people making heaven, why charge christians on the Great Commission to preach the gospel all over the world?

2,3, and 4 already answered. No need going around in circles. Check my previous posts.
God don't create evil, evil was as a result of earth's corruption.
1. Bible makes it clear that there's no forgiveness of sin without atonement by blood.

Nnamdiosu offers a good explanation here, hope.it helps.
Hello Richmond. Because your answer is genuine and you have expressed a honest desire to learn, I'll explain something's to you. I know God will enlighten you to understand.

Richmond, first off all there are laws, ancient laws that rule the universe, planets, spiritual realm and physical realm.
These Laws are older than the earth, and because they were in existence before even the earth was formed, we aren't fully in understanding of them all yet.


Sin is a serious issue. Spiritually it's like a capital crime in the spirit realm.

The same way a person commits a crime and is sentenced, that's the same way sin is treated.

Nothing that God created can die per say. Even we humans, we merly leave our physical bodies and move in the spiritual realm.

What God did to the world with water was just temporary solution. That's why after that, sin came again upon the world.

In the spiritual world, evil begets evil.
Good can't come from bad.
So when man sinned, all his descendants automatically become sinners because they all SHARE THE SAME BLOOD.
In the spiritual realm, sin can only be removed by blood equal to the species level of the sinner. That's why blood of goats can't purge sin.

The son of God, who came to died for man kind, was spiritually pure, so his blood was a perfect solution or substitute for the sin of all his specie type (humans).

The Armageddon that will befall the earth will occur primary because this world has been contaminated and needs cleansing .


I wrote a very interesting discourse on the topic above, from before the creation of man to the death if the son of God. Kindly read it and a lot of your questions will be answered.

jaephoenix:
Right, this is getting interesting
So the same vile sodom and gomorrah folks are working for Noah? Okay.
So Yahweh ranched all the animals in the world together? Are you aware all the animals couldn't have fitted into that ark? How did yahweh do that too?

What has Sodom and Gomorrah got to do with the flood that happened almost 500years apart?
Only seven pair of clean and a pair of unclean animals made the ark. As I said it was a small boat.

jaephoenix:
Whoa. You ignored all the pertinent questions I asked you about yahweh's omniscience and ended with this? You even ignored the rebuttal about late cancers

Already answered. So I guess we done here.
The reason why we do this is not to change your mind-only holy ghost can do that, but to explain the things we believe.
Except its a novel or exceptional question, I will not reply to your mentions esp of it's repetitive or argumentative .

SIRTee15:
Africa has no hope and it's lost. Na wa o. No wonder u guys vote for irresponsible leaders since what will be will be. Maynman do you agree with him?
In that case, africans should sit their butt in Africa and stop migrating to place where they believe the prosperity and future of their countries is in their hands.

It’s you that believe yahweh is omniscience and knows the future yet he doesn’t know destiny.
Is destiny not in the future?

Africa needs thinkers who are independent of religion.

I ask once again, define foreknowledge and destiny.
Does all knowing yahweh know the exact number of people that will go to hell?

Ken4Christ:
Moses wrote the first five books. His writings concerning the deliverance of Israel from Egypt is definitely an eye witness account.

Yes, he appeared in his brightness a few times. But I can tell you that the radiance of his glory at those moments were not in its fullest.

If God comes down in the fullness of his glory, no mortal man can withstand that glory. You can't even stand on your feet.

This is why the glory sometimes had to be covered with thick darkness.

When Peter, James and John went with Jesus and Jesus was transfigured before them, they fell down like dead men.

The Bible is the only book that gave us detailed account of how the world began and how this present age will end.

Everything John saw as written in the book of Revelation are coming to pass one after the other.

So, the vision of the great white throne judgment where everyone will stand before God to be judged will also come to pass.

Follow my exposition on the book of Revelation in my online daily devotional study, Rhema for Living Devotional so you can fully understand what is ahead of us.

And all the events written therein will come to pass.

Don't be among those who will be throne into the Lake of Fire. And the way to escape that judgment is to give your life to Christ.

1. First things first, Moses is a fictional character and never existed, and the books of pentateuch were dated hundreds of years after he supposedly lived.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Genesis#:~:text=Tradition%20credits%20Moses%20as%20the,is%20supposed%20to%20have%20lived.
2. Yes, he appeared in his brightness a few times. But I can tell you that the radiance of his glory at those moments were not in its fullest
The bible never spoke about the level of brilliance anywhere there. So how did you, thousands of years after the bible was written, figure it out? Did you use a can a light meter for it, bro?

3. No, there is no evidence those events happened in the creation either historically, archeologically or scientifically. If you dare me again, I'll open another thread and drop all the evidence

advocatejare:
You started the insults when you asked your father to grow some balls. Don’t give what you can’t take. I will be civil if you are, but if you want to be very stupid, I will give you the full dose of your stupidity.

Lol. Grow some balls is an idiomatic expression and there is no insult there. Nigerians are something else

advocatejare:
Have you seen me attach Atheists who didn’t attack me first? I wouldn’t have commented on your post if tht Muslim didn’t mention me and I responded to his mention in the appropriate way but you decided to interfere. I didn’t quote you, neither did I mention you but you chose to join issues with me. I don’t have time for you atheists here.



That is your business not mine, count me out of your frustrations and disappointments in life. If you have issues with the Bible that’s your business I won’t be the one to be explaining what you perceive as contradictions to you. You have made your choice already, so enjoy it.


Then build your own religion or whatever you will name it that will be perfect and free of any faults

Lol. You come to my thread and make comments and expect me not to reply? Dude, its my own thread!
Besides, you quote people that don't quote you first, so why does mine irk you?
You attack muslims and the qoran copiously without them inviting you into the discourse. When its time for the bible to face scrutiny and take the heat, you dissolve into the shrubbery like Homer Simpson.

advocatejare:
What I choose to do with my time or who I choose to respond to is none of your business. My mission is to expose the lies of Islam here on nairaland and to expose the hypocrisies of Muslims on Nairaland that everything they may accuse Christianity for is what their Islam is guilty of.

I don’t debate with atheists cos there is no basis for it. If someone says that there is no God, I’m not the one that will be wasting my time to tell you otherwise, you’re the one that knows what made you come to such a conclusion just like you decided to marry a bisexual who will be sleeping with you and with another woman that’s your choice, enjoy it


If only you didn’t write “grow some balls” just because you wanted me to respond to what I didn’t want to respond to.

Don’t start what you can’t finish next time.

Exactly. What if my mission is to debunk christianity and expose it for its fraudulence? He who lives in a glass house must surely not throw stones

SIRTee15:
Your atheist friend that believes in irreversible destiny.
That a child is born with his or her destiny that can never be changed.
If that makes sense to you, then I will presume both of you are actually idol worshippers or closet Muslims.

1. Again, define Destiny
2. How is fatalism related to theism/religion?

advocatejare:
What I choose to do with my time or who I choose to respond to is none of your business. My mission is to expose the lies of Islam here on nairaland and to expose the hypocrisies of Muslims on Nairaland that everything they may accuse Christianity for is what their Islam is guilty of.

Are you doing all these because your parents don’t love you and you need nairaland for attention.

What’s funny to me is that you and Muslims are both Abrahamaic gods worshipper.
Your creation story is the same, copied from tanakh.
Elohim is same as Allah.

TenQ:
Do I want to debate you?
No!

You aren't worth my time!

Ok. No problem. But stop denying about being grilled by me

TenQ:
See Atheist's circular reasoning.

I said EVIDENCE not re-assertion of what you insinuated.

What is the evidence that Moses copied the Epic of Gilgamesh?

If something was written before in a book and years later, another book repeats such things the exact way it was written, what conclusion would you arrive at?

TenQ:
You made a Claim, prove it!

The childishness of Atheists like you is evermore glaring to see: when two people are contesting an issue and without a recourse to an unbiased judge or referee begin to claim and celebrate epic landslide victory is simply pathetic and laughable.at best.

I challenge you here again
1. Your evidence of how and when I ran away from debating you
2. An evidence that you won the debate by eating me alive.

Like I said: you aren't worth the trouble! You are a waste of time!

I have told you. Since you said you don't wanna engage me, no use unearthing evidence. Have a nice day then

Ken4Christ:
You can't establish a point with just a verse of scripture. It must be in harmony with the other passages.

Even God himself rebuked Job for uttering statements without knowledge.

Apostle Paul didn't use the best expression of language to communicate his message when he said all scripture are inspired by God.

It should read, "All scripture inspired by God..."

Even the words Satan spoke is written in the Bible. So, how could Satan words be inspired?

Really? You are correcting Paul? Lol. This is really desperate from you

advocatejare:
Your father is the one you’re referring to. The useless parents that gave birth to a stupid person like you. A stupid person who promised to stop praying to God if he can give a woman 2 orgasms in 1 minute. What a reason to become an atheist!

Giving 2 babes orgasm is a better venture than to praying to a non existent entity. In fact I'd rather watch porn. Its more rewarding. And my life is the better for it

advocatejare:
Damage control. How can you promising to stop praying to God if you can give orgasm to a woman not related to religion? Who is the center of religion if not God? Why are you so dumb like this?



It’s no business of mine but it shows how unfortunate you are to be sharing your wife with another woman. No sane man on earth wants to share his wife with another, but since you’re dumb you won’t see anything wrong with it

1. Lemme ask you, would you rather pray to Allah or watch porn? I DONT GIVE A PRAYING FVCK ABOUT YOUR YAHWEH! TELL HIM TO SVCK A DICK.
2. Again, its my wife, my marriage, not yours. Get a life!

SIRTee15:
You not an atheist. Mr irreversible destiny.

What is the connotation of fatalism to religion? Can you explain, please?

jaephoenix:
I have told you. Since you said you don't wanna engage me, no use unearthing evidence. Have a nice day then

You made a claim and I challenge you here again
1. Your evidence of how and when I ran away from debating you
2. An evidence that you won the debate by eating me alive.

Like I said: you aren't worth the trouble! You are a waste of time!

SIRTee15:
Already answered. U just going in circles.
When God dwells in physical structures. People can see the physical body... tabernacle, ark, man, burning fire...

So man was his physical structure?

jaephoenix:
If something was written before in a book and years later, another book repeats such things the exact way it was written, what conclusion would you arrive at?

So, your common sense is telling you that
1. You wrote the history of Nigeria
2. Ten years after, I also wrote the history of Nigeria
3. Conclusion: I must have copied your writeup on the history of Nigeria.


See how shallow your reasoning is!?

SIRTee15:
That's your own definition of omniscience.

No sir. Its the definition if omniscient. You or somebody else can't just wake up and create definitions out of thin air. The world would be in chaos. Dictionaries and thesauruses exist for a reason