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SIRTee15:
Then the word of the Lord came to me. 6 He said, “Can I not do with you, Israel, as this potter does?” declares the Lord. “Like clay in the hand of the potter, so are you in my hand, Israel. 7 If at any time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be uprooted, torn down and destroyed, 8 and if that nation I warned repents of its evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had planned. 9 And if at another time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be built up and planted, 10 and if it does evil in my sight and does not obey me, then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do for it.

Maynman:
Please look up on the origin of the word “destiny”.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/destiny

Maynman:
Then your god is not omniscience and does not know the future, in other mythologies gods decide the fate of man.

“ Now I asked your other fake atheist the question but refused to answer, maybe u can help.
An armed robber that got killed during robbery, was that his destiny given to him the day he was born?
A prostitute that got murdered by her client. Was she destined to be a prostitute and be killed during active service right form day one of her life as a baby.”

Fake theist it’s you that believe yahweh is omniscience and knows everything.
You said he knows the FUTURE, so surely he knows who is a armed robber and prostitute in that FUTURE BEFORE he created them.

I ask you, does yahweh know the exact number of people that will go to hell or he is hoping nobody does?

Even the definition of destiny means “make firm, established”. It has already been DECIDED!

SIRTee15:
This is the problem, how can u apply literal definition to spiritual meaning.
This is the biblical definition of destiny

[b]Our destiny is God’s purpose for our lives. It is our God ordained future. Destiny is what God has destined us to become in His divine will and wisdom. [/b]Each of us is also destined to play specific roles in the ordering of His world – cf 1 Corinthians 12 1-7 on the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

God's plan and purpose for his children conceived long before we were born.

Read more about definition of biblical destiny here
https://www.osc-tbs.org/biblical-concept-of-destiny/#:~:text=Destiny%20is%20what%20God%20has,gifts%20of%20the%20Holy%20Spirit.
Here are.some.excerpts....
It must also be noted that nobody is predestined to go to hell and that is why we have continued to preach so that people will not have any excuse on the day of reckoning. Nobody is also predefined to fail because everybody is given the opportunity to pull their weight. God will never impose His will on us but we enjoined to remain steadfast in Christ and He will give the victory.

We read in Genesis the accounts of the creation of both the world and Mankind and also about the fall of Man. God destined Man to be great and to have dominion over His entire creation, but through disobedience Man lost this heritage. It is not impossible for one to forfeit his destiny as a result of carelessness and disobedience.

Really TenQ was right, it's a waste of time talking theology with u guys. It's better we discuss philosophy.

SIRTee15:
Already answered. Bye

ANTIlSLAM:
He's doing a poor job for hammering your agbari with the truth.. Tell your second to get you a copy of Torah, I want to show you something that will finish you kpatakpata

ANTIlSLAM:
Kikikikikikiki na u be the wise man be dat oo bah

Maynman:
Lol, it’s now biblical definition.

What’s the biblical definition of all knowing, omniscience and knowing the future.
You mean an omniscience god didn’t know adam will sin before he created adam and that same god sees the future, what does he see the future then?

You keep talking about theology, do you know what it means?
Do you know what are theos that you are studying(logy).

Ken4Christ:
It's the plan truth. The words of our Lord Jesus can't fall to the ground. He is Lord.

Lukuluku69:
Of cos I know the discussion Sir and I also know that you are not Muslim, I chipped that in to answer the question you asked.

Sorry if that seems barging in on your Convo!

TenQ:
It started with a prep




Then you went full ballistic !



Furthermore, you said:


I then TOLD You!





So, again I say to you

I challenge you here again
1. Your evidence of how and when I ran away from debating you
2. An evidence that you won the debate by eating me alive.

SIRTee15:
Seriously u not worth the effort. U have 2 to 3 phrases u keep parotting up and down. U can't rise above such mundane and boring arguments.
Guy u need to do more reading of u want to become a bible critic. U can start by reading the works of biblical critical scholars, u not helping anybody here.

Maynman:
What’s the biblical definition of all knowing, omniscience and knowing the future.



Why don’t you give me answers to those phrases?
Man let’s go to the origins of tanakh and New Testament, you think I’m a believer like you?

Mention names of biblical critical scholars….

You are basing your life on jewish books and Chrestians books you are calling it “bible”.

See this yahweh worshipper, You know nothing of your religion and the books you are basing your life on theist.

SIRTee15:
Mr Man, post the stuff here yourself.
I have gone through your links and can't find what I'm looking for- A case of SR of metastatic stage 4 cancer without therapy.

SIRTee15:
Yahweh doesn't think sin, he's holy. He has no business with hell.
I already told u he sees every being he created in heaven, that's his plan for all men.
Its your choice to reject him and follow the path to hell.

SIRTee15:
Why should we bother, when Africa is destined to be poor according to you

SIRTee15:
Wow have discovered something new today...before it was meaning of theo and now meaning of bible.
What a great discovery!!!!! hallelujah somebody.
What's the next discovery...meaning of Jesus or christ

Seriously u wasting your time here, this will get u no where. Go and study the works of bible critics and learn how they argue Christian theology.
Imagine bringing secular dictionary meaning of biblical words to argue Christian doctrine. U are meant to study our own meaning of words and check if it affirms with what's written in the bible....that's critic.
Not all these nonsense u doing here.

Maynman:
My present choice will determine my future, does yahweh know the future?



Why then did yahweh send his child to earth if he doesn’t think sin?
Sin means disobedience to yahweh, so what you mean he doesn’t think sin?
Who created hell?
Who made satan the ruler of hell according to you?
When jesus died he took control of hell according to you right yet he doesn’t have business with hell? you keep contradicting yourself.

An omniscience god knows the exact number of people that will go to heaven or hell before he even created them.
A parents also sees all his children been successfully, that’s his plans for children But it may not work out because they are not omniscience, THAT IS WHY YAHWEH REGRETTED, HIS PLAN FAILED.
Your god is not all knowing and certainly can’t see the future.

Save yourself from ignorance, and look up on the origin of the word “hell”.

SIRTee15:
Once again playing with words.
As I said earlier we Christians don't believe in a fixed destiny. Your choice is influence your destiny.
God also is forever shaping your destiny with the purpose of bringing u back into the fold. So foreknowledge to God is an active word, not static.
'Foreknowledge is destiny shaping! Speaking about God's foreknowledge is a way of expressing his eternal commitment to individuals as part of his determination to bring them to faith and to all the glories and benefits of Christ's work'
God is constantly reshaping our destiny no matter how complex or disappointing it is just like Jeremiah observed at the potter's house. Jeremiah 18.1-10


Jesus descended into Hades after his soul separated from his body carrying the sins of the world and to declare victory over death.

jaephoenix:
The guy is just funny.
He keeps on evading the question why yahweh is surprised by humans and why he regretted creating humans. I'm even tiring of the dodging

Maynman:
How can you go and prepare a place for people without knowing the EXACT number of people coming?
That’s bad manager and it is a recipe for disaster, that’s why yahweh keeps regretting.

jaephoenix:
Lol. Hes preparing a place for only chrissies who are unknown

SIRTee15:
What did God tell Jeremiah in chapter 18.5-10

jaephoenix:
Yup

jaephoenix:
The highlighted is just plain bullshit.
I defined destiny for you, yet you keep on using the definition your pastor uses. You might as well define a bird as a car and drive it since you people don't use dictionaries again.
We asked you to define these bullshit terms 'foreknowledge' yet you can't.

jaephoenix:
Did you read my rebuttals? Of course you didn't. If you did, you won't say this.
What about the Torah?

SIRTee15:
See another one who wants to force Oxford dictionary into the bible.
It's a waste of time discussing with u guys. TenQ was right.
Both of u are just wannabe bible critics with nothing upstairs to back your claim.
As I said to maynman, go and study the works of bible critical scholars, then come back and discuss.

jaephoenix:
Lol. So you can challenge me on the case of grilling you, but won't challenge me on the bible? Isnt it hypocrisy?

Maynman:
Jesus is a latin name.
Christ means Christus taking from hebrew and it means messiah, there are many messiahs in the tanakh, that’s why jews reject your iesus chrestus that exist only on the pages of NT.

Are you dumb, did christians create meaning of words?
So a muslim too can decide which meaning of word he cherry picks? And other religions?

Tanakh was written in Hebrew and New testament was written in Greek, if we want to know biblical words are we not suppose to go back to those languages?

Your bible was written in languages that existed before it.
I ask you to mention just one bible critic, just one ☝️

SIRTee15:
Go to our topics where we debate Muslims, we use what's written in their Koran against them, not what's written in secular dictionary or the bible, because they don't believe in it.
U can start with Bart Erhman, he's an atheist like u.

jaephoenix:
You dodge so many questions. Dont you get dizzy?
Maybe I should start dodging yours

Maynman:
So theists especially yahweh worshippers now formulate their own words bwahahahah.

I’ve told you to mention one bible critic scholar, just one ☝️, you don’t know any, you are empty!

See what world history has to say about your Israelite deity, yahweh.
You are reading a jewish book don’t you think they will exalt their local deities

https://www.worldhistory.org/Yahweh/#:~:text=Yahweh%20is%20the%20name%20of,have%20revealed%20to%20his%20people.