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SIRTee15:
I already told u start with Bart Erhman, he's a new testament bible critic.
Despite all his claim about thousands of new manuscript contraindications, he finally admitted that the core gospel message in all new testament manuscripts he has studied remain the same- they remain unchanged.

jaephoenix:
The highlighted is just plain bullshit.
I defined destiny for you, yet you keep on using the definition your pastor uses. You might as well define a bird as a car and drive it since you people don't use dictionaries again.
We asked you to define these bullshit terms 'foreknowledge' yet you can't.

Maynman:
He should bring out the evidences out, who wrote it, what century it was written.
Just because someone is an atheist that does not mean I have to “believe” him.

Send me a link to when he finally admitted, I’ll take it for there.

SIRTee15:
Maynman wants to use Wikipedia and Oxford dictionary to argue with a doctoral fellow and one of world's leading textual critic.
He will eat u raw.

Maynman:
Is he not going to present facts and evidences?
Send me a link to when he finally admitted, I’ll take it for there.

This is world history by the way
https://www.worldhistory.org/Yahweh/#:~:text=Yahweh%20is%20the%20name%20of,have%20revealed%20to%20his%20people.

SIRTee15:
Go and study him yourself. Stop being lazy.
U asked me for a name of biblical scholar, I gave u. Now u asking me for his work. Which one do u want to do besides quoting Wikipedia and Oxford dictionary?

However here is what he wrote at the end of the nonsense book he wrote.
'To be sure, of all the hundreds of thousands of textual changes found among our manuscripts, most of them are completely insignificant, immaterial, of no real importance for anything other than showing that scribes could not spell or keep focused any better than the rest of us'
Bert Erhman.

jaephoenix:
1. Do you believe SRs occur in non -christians? So which god 'healed' them
2. This is a case of an SR
A 69-year-old woman was found to have lung adenocarcinoma, a form of non-small cell lung cancer. Her cancer had spread to her adrenal glands—adrenal metastases—and therefore, was labeled as stage IV non-small cell lung cancer. Stage IV lung cancer is the most severe stage of the disease with the poorest survival rate.One month following her diagnosis, and before she had any treatment, both the tumor in her lung and the metastasis to her adrenal gland had shrunk considerably on both a CT scan and a PET scan.
Do you now understand SR is not related to any god?

jaephoenix:
This is the verse
5 Then the word of the Lord came to me. 6 He said, “Can I not do with you, Israel, as this potter does?” declares the Lord. “Like clay in the hand of the potter, so are you in my hand, Israel. 7 If at any time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be uprooted, torn down and destroyed, 8 and if that nation I warned repents of its evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had planned. 9 And if at another time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be built up and planted, 10 and if it does evil in my sight and does not obey me, then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do for it.
So what is the import of this bullshit to our argument?

jaephoenix:
The guy is just funny.
He keeps on evading the question why yahweh is surprised by humans and why he regretted creating humans. I'm even tiring of the dodging

jaephoenix:
Same way a muslim or buddhist would say the words of their god won't fall to the ground but have the same word can't stand up to scrutiny

SIRTee15:
This is your answer. Man don't have a fixed destiny as affirmed by God.

Then the word of the Lord came to me. 6 He said, “Can I not do with you, Israel, as this potter does?” declares the Lord. “Like clay in the hand of the potter, so are you in my hand, Israel. 7 If at any time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be uprooted, torn down and destroyed, 8 and if that nation I warned repents of its evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had planned. 9 And if at another time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be built up and planted, 10 and if it does evil in my sight and does not obey me, then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do for it.

Now I asked your other fake atheist the question but refused to answer, maybe u can help.
An armed robber that got killed during robbery, was that his destiny given to him the day he was born?
A prostitute that got murdered by her client. Was she destined to be a prostitute and be killed during active service right form day one of her life as a baby.

Maynman:
Then your god is not omniscience and does not know the future, in other mythologies gods decide the fate of man.

“ Now I asked your other fake atheist the question but refused to answer, maybe u can help.
An armed robber that got killed during robbery, was that his destiny given to him the day he was born?
A prostitute that got murdered by her client. Was she destined to be a prostitute and be killed during active service right form day one of her life as a baby.”

Fake theist it’s you that believe yahweh is omniscience and knows everything.
You said he knows the FUTURE, so surely he knows who is a armed robber and prostitute in that FUTURE BEFORE he created them.

I ask you, does yahweh know the exact number of people that will go to hell or he is hoping nobody does?

Even the definition of destiny means “make firm, established”. It has already been DECIDED!

SIRTee15:
This is the problem, how can u apply literal definition to spiritual meaning.
This is the biblical definition of destiny

[b]Our destiny is God’s purpose for our lives. It is our God ordained future. Destiny is what God has destined us to become in His divine will and wisdom. [/b]Each of us is also destined to play specific roles in the ordering of His world – cf 1 Corinthians 12 1-7 on the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

God's plan and purpose for his children conceived long before we were born.

Read more about definition of biblical destiny here
https://www.osc-tbs.org/biblical-concept-of-destiny/#:~:text=Destiny%20is%20what%20God%20has,gifts%20of%20the%20Holy%20Spirit.
Here are.some.excerpts....
It must also be noted that nobody is predestined to go to hell and that is why we have continued to preach so that people will not have any excuse on the day of reckoning. Nobody is also predefined to fail because everybody is given the opportunity to pull their weight. God will never impose His will on us but we enjoined to remain steadfast in Christ and He will give the victory.

We read in Genesis the accounts of the creation of both the world and Mankind and also about the fall of Man. God destined Man to be great and to have dominion over His entire creation, but through disobedience Man lost this heritage. It is not impossible for one to forfeit his destiny as a result of carelessness and disobedience.

Really TenQ was right, it's a waste of time talking theology with u guys. It's better we discuss philosophy.

SIRTee15:
Seriously u not worth the effort. U have 2 to 3 phrases u keep parotting up and down. U can't rise above such mundane and boring arguments.
Guy u need to do more reading of u want to become a bible critic. U can start by reading the works of biblical critical scholars, u not helping anybody here.

SIRTee15:
Wow have discovered something new today...before it was meaning of theo and now meaning of bible.
What a great discovery!!!!! hallelujah somebody.
What's the next discovery...meaning of Jesus or christ

Seriously u wasting your time here, this will get u no where. Go and study the works of bible critics and learn how they argue Christian theology.
Imagine bringing secular dictionary meaning of biblical words to argue Christian doctrine. U are meant to study our own meaning of words and check if it affirms with what's written in the bible....that's critic.
Not all these nonsense u doing here.

SIRTee15:
See another one who wants to force Oxford dictionary into the bible.
It's a waste of time discussing with u guys. TenQ was right.
Both of u are just wannabe bible critics with nothing upstairs to back your claim.
As I said to maynman, go and study the works of bible critical scholars, then come back and discuss.

jaephoenix:
Dude, he's right. Bible simply means book. You guys are not knowledgeable at all

jaephoenix:
TenQ is a dullard. He can't argue science or phulosophy.
You cannot impose your biblical definitions on natural things. This is because not everyone subscribes to your religion. Same way a muslim cannot impose his definitions on christians. This is the problem we have in religious countries like Nigeria and Saudi Arabia. People forcing and imposing their worldwide and laws on non-believers

SIRTee15:
Then no need to continue this discussion because we at dead end now.
Nobody forces anything on anybody. We have our own definition of word.
Our definition of repentance is different from what's in the dictionary. No Christian ever forced our own meaning on secular world.
U are the one guilty of that. That's why I said go and learn from bible critics.
Everyone knows that no Christian ever said the bible is the direct word of God, but u and maynman have been disturbing Christians on this thread demanding we defend every sentence or phrase in the bible word for word. When we offer our explanation, u reject it claiming that's not the word used in the verse as if God spoke English.

I already gave my definition of omniscient and fore knowledge. Check my previous posts...too tired to be searching.
I think we should end this, just answer my questions esp the one re destiny of a new born child, I want to check something.
U are free to use any reference u like to answer my question on destiny....Koran, bible, Oxford dictionary, Wikipedia, book of fatalist atheism or even obatala. All join. just answer the question.

TenQ:
Did I misrepresent you in anyway?
That was why I said you exhibit School boy wannabe Atheist logic.
Stop claiming a win when there was no contest and no referees. It is a childish behaviour.

I don't discuss spiritual things with Atheists because there is NO Common Ground.

How will you understand when I say God is a spirit?
How would you understand "the talking snake or donkey"?
Does it make sense that Jesus was born from a virgin?
Does it make sense that a dead person came back to life after three days of death?
Does it make sense to you that we exist perpetually even after death?

I can debate you on YOUR philosophy and EVERY other thing like Mathematics, Logic and History because it is common to us.

The ball is in your court if you wish to challenge me on any of these if you dare or can!

SIRTee15:
Go to our topics where we debate Muslims, we use what's written in their Koran against them, not what's written in secular dictionary or the bible, because they don't believe in it.
U can start with Bart Erhman, he's an atheist like u.

SIRTee15:
Mr Man just answer my previous question and let's call it a day. All these merry go round is waste of time.

Q1. Show me a case of stage 4 metastatic cancer WITHOUT ANY THERAPY that went into SR. Just one evidence.

Q2 An armed robber who was killed while robbing a bank. Was that his destiny right from birth?
A prostitute who was killed by her client. Was that her fate/destiny right from day one she was born. That the innocent one day old baby will grow up and become a prostitute and will be killed in active service.

SIRTee15:
I already told u start with Bart Erhman, he's a new testament bible critic.
Despite all his claim about thousands of new manuscript contraindications, he finally admitted that the core gospel message in all new testament manuscripts he has studied remain the same- they remain unchanged.

SIRTee15:
U came to us, we didn't come to u.
If we had come to u to condemn your atheism, we will use your beliefs and understanding of words to argue against u.
Now u came to us to criticise our beliefs but wants to debate at your own terms using your own belief. Does that make sense at all.
This is the reason TenQ said arguing with you guys is a waste of time.
This is also the reason American definition of freedom failed woefully when they tried to export it other countries. Freedom mean different things to different people depending on their cultures and belief.
If u insist definition of a word is static and means the same thing at all time, then u don't even understand the meaning of language.
Your analogy of a car and bird is very stupid.

SIRTee15:
Maynman wants to use Wikipedia and Oxford dictionary to argue with a doctoral fellow and one of world's leading textual critic.
He will eat u raw.

SIRTee15:
Go and study him yourself. Stop being lazy.
U asked me for a name of biblical scholar, I gave u. Now u asking me for his work. Which one do u want to do besides quoting Wikipedia and Oxford dictionary?

However here is what he wrote at the end of the nonsense book he wrote.
'To be sure, of all the hundreds of thousands of textual changes found among our manuscripts, most of them are completely insignificant, immaterial, of no real importance for anything other than showing that scribes could not spell or keep focused any better than the rest of us'
Bert Erhman.

SIRTee15:
Me I can't find this case in all the links you sent. Where did u lift it..pls send the link so we can all learn.
Though shrunk is different from cure/cleared but I will still give it to u if above is true. Stage 4 cancer is not a joke and any remission is worth celebrating.

jaephoenix:
Define foreknowledge and omniscient, then we take it up from there.
If you don't know them say so

jaephoenix:
https://www.verywellhealth.com/spontaneous-remission-of-lung-cancer-a-rare-miracle-3971875

jaephoenix:
Since you want to us to use fallacies, would you agree to use the works of other agnostics apart from Ehrmann?

jaephoenix:
TenQ is a dullard. He can't argue science or phulosophy.
You cannot impose your biblical definitions on natural things. This is because not everyone subscribes to your religion. Same way a muslim cannot impose his definitions on christians. This is the problem we have in religious countries like Nigeria and Saudi Arabia. People forcing and imposing their worldwide and laws on non-believers

jaephoenix:
If you don't wanna discuss religion with me, no problem. BUT THEN STOP OPENING ISLAMIC THREADS TO DISCUSS, ABUSE AND HARASS THOSE MUSLIMS SINCE YOU WONT UNDERSTAND IF THEY TELL YOU SPIRITS LIVE IN THE NOSTRILS