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jaephoenix:
1. Freedom means the same thing in different dictionaries, whether american or not. So I don't know what you're driving at.
2. During this discourse, you brought in different words like foreknowledge etc. Now the problem is you cannot define it despite repeated requests. So how do you want us to use it in the discouse? Throwing an undefined word in an argument unbalances it because it can mean anything. That is our problem

1. Of course I agree with u that freedom mean the same thing in America and Afghanistan.
That's why it took America 4 presidents, thousand of lives mostly young men, wasted trillions of dollars and 20 years to replace Taliban with Taliban all in the name of defining freedom in Afghanistan.
2. Define death, then maybe we can talk. I dont want to waste my time with u anymore.

SIRTee15:
This is one of the questions I answered early on this thread.

Now the one repeated here is like when the bible say do not grief the holy spirit.
The God knows the end right from the beginning, so he's not surprised when man falls into sin.
However, he's still grieved because God loves us so much that it hurts him when we turn away from him and embrace sin.
God remain faithful to us even when we are faithless to him because he cannot deny himself. 2 Tim 2.13.
He's a forever loving God, thus it hurts when his children disobeys him because that wasn't the original intention.

The one about number going to heaven or hell already answered.
Now answer my own question on the destiny of babies and the link to that case I posted here.
Even though the word there is shrunk I will accept.it because any remission in cancer is a victory- be it partial or complete.
Do above and let's call it a day, no need going in cirles
U guys shouldn't be debating Christians in the first place, u not worth the time.

Now I think I've replied all your

Yahweh can't be surprised?

Jeremiah 3:19-20
New International Version
19 “I myself said,

“‘How gladly would I treat you like my children
and give you a pleasant land,
the most beautiful inheritance of any nation.’
I thought you would call me ‘Father’
and not turn away from following me.
20 But like a woman unfaithful to her husband,
so you, Israel, have been unfaithful to me,”
declares the Lord.

SIRTee15:
This is one of the questions I answered early on this thread.

Now the one repeated here is like when the bible say do not grief the holy spirit.
The God knows the end right from the beginning, so he's not surprised when man falls into sin.
However, he's still grieved because God loves us so much that it hurts him when we turn away from him and embrace sin.
God remain faithful to us even when we are faithless to him because he cannot deny himself. 2 Tim 2.13.
He's a forever loving God, thus it hurts when his children disobeys him because that wasn't the original intention.

The one about number going to heaven or hell already answered.
Now answer my own question on the destiny of babies and the link to that case I posted here.
Even though the word there is shrunk I will accept.it because any remission in cancer is a victory- be it partial or complete.
Do above and let's call it a day, no need going in cirles
U guys shouldn't be debating Christians in the first place, u not worth the time.

Now I think I've replied all your

Yahweh can't be surprised? What does the below verses mean?

Jeremiah 3:19-20
New International Version
19 “I myself said,

“‘How gladly would I treat you like my children
and give you a pleasant land,
the most beautiful inheritance of any nation.’
I thought you would call me ‘Father’
and not turn away from following me.
20 But like a woman unfaithful to her husband,
so you, Israel, have been unfaithful to me,”
declares the Lord.


Isaiah 63:8-10
New International Version
8 He said, “Surely they are my people,
children who will be true to me”;
and so he became their Savior.
9 In all their distress he too was distressed,
and the angel of his presence saved them.[a]
In his love and mercy he redeemed them;
he lifted them up and carried them
all the days of old.
10 Yet they rebelled
and grieved his Holy Spirit.
So he turned and became their enemy
and he himself fought against them

Can you explain the above?

Then Miriam thwarted Yahweh's plan to kill Moses
Exodus 4:24-26
New International Version
24 At a lodging place on the way, the Lord met Moses[a] and was about to kill him. 25 But Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son’s foreskin and touched Moses’ feet with it.[b] “Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me,” she said. 26 So the Lord let him alone
Are you telling me an omnipotent god can be thwarted by his creation? You mean he didn't know that his own plan would fail?

Ken4Christ:
They are not the same. Jesus conquered death. He is alive. And that makes the difference.

How do you know this?

SIRTee15:
Then no need to continue this discussion because we at dead end now.
Nobody forces anything on anybody. We have our own definition of word.
Our definition of repentance is different from what's in the dictionary. No Christian ever forced our own meaning on secular world.
U are the one guilty of that. That's why I said go and learn from bible critics.
Everyone knows that no Christian ever said the bible is the direct word of God, but u and maynman have been disturbing Christians on this thread demanding we defend every sentence or phrase in the bible word for word. When we offer our explanation, u reject it claiming that's not the word used in the verse as if God spoke English.

I already gave my definition of omniscient and fore knowledge. Check my previous posts...too tired to be searching.
I think we should end this, just answer my questions esp the one re destiny of a new born child, I want to check something.
U are free to use any reference u like to answer my question on destiny....Koran, bible, Oxford dictionary, Wikipedia, book of fatalist atheism or even obatala. All join. just answer the question.

This post has more lies than the whole bible combined. Where do I start?
1. The christian definition of repentance is the same as dictionary.
repentance
/rɪˈpɛnt(ə)ns/
noun
the action of repenting; sincere regret or remorse.
"each person who turns to God in genuine repentance and faith will be saved"
3. Some countries have enforced christian laws on their citizens irrespective of their religion.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_state#:~:text=Greenland%20and%20the%20Faroes)%2C%20England,state%2C%20or%20an%20Islamic%20state.
4. The bible implicitly states that its the word of god. In fact it states that the bible is 'god-breathed'.
5. You never defined 'fore knowledge' but you defined omniscient, and unfortunately your examples of omniscient acts of yahweh weren't correct cos they were short of the definition.
Try to dey lie small small

SIRTee15:
Before I repeat my definition of above because I'd already done so, Define death.

death
/dɛθ/
noun
the action or fact of dying or being killed; the end of the life of a person or organism.
"he had been depressed since the death of his father"
Similar:
demise
dying
end
passing
passing away
passing on
loss of life
expiry
expiration
departure from life
final exit
eternal rest
murder
killing
assassination
execution
dispatch
slaying
slaughter
massacre
snuffing
curtains
kicking the bucket
decease
quietus
Opposite:
life
the state of being dead.
"even in death, she was beautiful"
the permanent ending of vital processes in a cell or tissues

SIRTee15:
U not a honest person and says a lot about u as a doctor u claim. For your info, adding or deliberately withholding information is a serious offence in medical practice.
This is the complete statement....

One month following her diagnosis, and before she had any treatment, both the tumor in her lung and the metastasis to her adrenal gland had shrunk considerably on both a CT scan and a PET scan. (A PET scan is an imaging test which uses radioactive glucose, and allows physicians to get a more accurate assessment of tumor activity than on a CT or MRI alone.) She then underwent surgery for lung cancer and was doing well 14 months later..

You are even more dishonest than I thought.
Was there a remission or not? The surgery was a precaution and not a treatment

SIRTee15:
Sure, better than arguing with you 2. We won't get anywhere with both of u.
Don't post too many at a time, o we can answer properly.

Good. Read what these guys think about the bible and christianity. Thomas Henry Huxley, Robert G. Ingersoll and Bertrand Russell.

TenQ:
If I remember clearly, I had to correct you on two elementary scientific goofs you made ; yet I cannot argue science. Thank you.

How does the rest of what you wrote relate to me? What in the Bible did I define for you?

1. Excuse me, what did you correct me on?
2. I was even the person that corrected you. You said the patient that had a SR was given chemo/radio, only for you to deny later. I had to show you a screenshot where you said they received treatment.
LIAR

jaephoenix:
Oga fake christian I answered you yes, that is their destiny. Looks like you have comprehension issues true true

People, above is what happens when u depart from God and claim u are atheist. The devil builds a throne in your heart and invites his legions to build a workshop. Then they will passing depraved and corrupt thought through your heart.
How can someone say an innocent child that doesn't know her left or right, has no sense of danger already has the spirit of prostitution and armed robbery living in them.
Even a 2 year old knows nothing expect to cry, play, eat and smile at you. But at that age, her mind is already building for her a despicable career in red street light district acording to jaephoenix.
Above is the reason why the Muslim north is in destitute and dragging the rest of the nation backwards.
They believe in this kind of nonsense thinking that Allah has designed the destiny of every child so it's a waste of time training them. They just have babies and once the baby can walk, they throw them to the streets to fend themselves. The parents are not bothered since what will be will be. Of course, this kids become breeding ground for terrorist and bandits, all because of a warped mentality.
Has jaephoenix bothered to test his theory in places like Norway that has lesser crime and Saudi Arabia that has no prostitution? How come Providence forgot to push armed robbers and prostitutes to those countries but we get them plenty for Nigeria.
Even Yoruba culture believes your destiny lies in your hand while ibos believe if u say yes your chi will eventually say yes. But one wannabe fatalist atheist is insisting otherwise.
Pls ignore him, na isokuso. He knows too well that he's saying nonsense.
I'm sure he will give the best to his children so that they will come out well in life. But wants other people's children to became whores or thugs so that he can continue to indulge in his 3some/porn addiction or for political thug when he desires political ambition.
Education, family upbringing and environment plays important role in shaping the future of a child. There's no fixed destiny anywhere.

jaephoenix:
You are even more dishonest than I thought.
Was there a remission or not? The surgery was a precaution and not a treatment

Why didnt you post the full statement. Why did remove the aspect of treatment. That's dishonesty.
So removing the primary tumour is precaution
They should have left it and declare the woman cancer free then, see attempt to give excuse for act of dishonesty.

jaephoenix:
death
/dɛθ/
noun
the action or fact of dying or being killed; the end of the life of a person or organism.
"he had been depressed since the death of his father"
Similar:
demise
dying
end
passing
passing away
passing on
loss of life
expiry
expiration
departure from life
final exit
eternal rest
murder
killing
assassination
execution
dispatch
slaying
slaughter
massacre
snuffing
curtains
kicking the bucket
decease
quietus
Opposite:
life
the state of being dead.
"even in death, she was beautiful"
the permanent ending of vital processes in a cell or tissues

See why debating with u is waste of time. U went the whole world to define death but still failed the test.
Death is separation of soul from the body.
Now if u don't agree with above why should I discuss afterlife with u?
Reason why discussing hell or heaven with u guys is waste of time.

jaephoenix:
1. Excuse me, what did you correct me on?
2. I was even the person that corrected you. You said the patient that had a SR was given chemo/radio, only for you to deny later. I had to show you a screenshot where you said they received treatment.
LIAR

The problem is you are confused, not only are u dishonest but disoriented. The same way quoted the wrong person is the way u imagined I said something I did not. My God is exposing u for who you are.
Now I will post all our conversation re the cancer case and ask all including your maynman to judge who is the liar.
April 21 12.18pm
jaephoenix:

1. Why does Yahweh use thunder and lightning to speak to people in the bible, but now only speaks personally these days? Why does he appear to people back then but nobody dey see him brake lights these days? Why does he display his might by sending down fire from heaven but these days its a problem?
Now you're using jargons like Rhema which is a term many Christians call different things. With all this rhema have you seen an amputee limb regrow?
2. About your question, I haven't seen any life miracle. And yes also I work in the medical field. I'm a 17 year post housejob physician and yet haven't seen any of the miracle you talk about. Diseases relapse and regress, and it doesn't have any supernatural connotations because it also happens to non-christians and people that don't pray to your god. And also those cancer remissions can also relapse. And we don't know everything about diseases. We are still researching.
Please which specific medical field are you in?
3. We're used to being called foolish because we don't acknowledge your god. Yet the joke is on you grin

[b]How do u know God doesn't use lightning and thunder to communicate his words. Have u spoken to all men of God today to confirm?
Besides in the new covenant we now have the holy spirit in us that constantly communicates. We don't have to wait for rain like sango worshippers b4 hearing from God. That's the privilege we enjoy but absent in the old covenant. The spirit actually has to descend to communicate to the prophets.

I don't need to disclose my field of work.

But explain to me this so called cancer regression in an elderly woman with advanced fungating stage 4 cervical cancer with cachetic body. If u have actually been with someone described above, u will know how badly they smell that they are normally isolated on the ward.
This was a woman I saw few months later and was completely healthy. I didn't even recognise her.
I was using style to ask her daughter who was with her how's her mum because I believed she would have been dead. Only for her to tell me the person I'm asking after is actually the one beside her. To say I was shocked was an understatement.
This happened in Benue state. She was taken to a popular man of God in NIgeria for prayers. My opinion of that man of God changed after that experience.
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April 21 3.06pm
jaephoenix:

[b]1. How do you know Yahweh still interacts with lightning and thunder? Has he been doing such with you?
2. I'm sure you must have seen or heard several people commit all sorts of crimes ranging from fornication or adultery to murder, and then claim they had an unction from the holy spirit to do it. Does your holy spirit authorize such? If you say no, then you're saying that such 'unctions' can be faked.
3. No problem if you don't wanna talk about your work
4. About the stage 4 cervical CA, I have some questions
A. Which hospital was that?
B. Was she on chemo/radio?
C. Was a debulking op done on her?

Let's just go to number 4. The rest are mere speculations from your sides.
Why do you want to know the hospital. Do u know any Nigerian hosp that has successfully managed a stage 4 advanced cervical cancer.

Radio or chemo in benue state for stage 4 cervical cancer. I want to believe u work in a teaching hospital in Nigeria where u people just throw everything at patient anyhow. Someone that's dying, u will be telling the family to pay 100k for ICU, 50k for CT scan, 100k for theatre.
That's not how general or private hospital operates. She was referred anyway but didn't go.

That's what we offered her but when we explained to family it's just to reduce the fungating smell and help with quality of life but not really to cure the cancer, they took her away.

[/b]


April 21. 7.29pm
jaephoenix:

1. You said all I said was speculation? How do you know?
2. I know stage 4 CAs falls into palliative care. But they still receive chemo and radio. My question is was she on those treatments before they took her away?

2. Nope.
But common be real. So u expecting chemo and radio to do the magic for a metastatic cancer. It makes them worse if anything. Esp in Nigeria where adjuvant treatment support is poor.
Look here, the woman has received her healing, let's move on.
I can tell u another one I witnessed in uch if u interested. I get them plenty for pocket. MIRACLE IS REAL.


April 22. 8.05am
jaephoenix:

Bro if you have been following my posts, I said remissions happen to everyone, including Muslims, Atheists etc, those that never prayed to Yahweh. So I don't understand what you are pointing at. Its not Yahweh that caused it. I told you that we scientists don't understand everything about these diseases, especially mitotic lesions

Give me evidence of a metastatic fungating cervical cancer that went into full remission, without any form of therapy.
Post the evidence here, I will like to see it.



April 24. 3.19pm
jaephoenix:

Bro, the study of spontaneous remissions in carcinomas has been ongoing for decades. Many physicians worldwide have observed it and there are many well documented cases. It has absolutely no relationship with any religion, race or regions. And definitely not caused by Yahweh. Like I said twice before, there are many things we don't understand about cancers which come to light daily.
I'll post some links about reported cases here.
This is from an Oncology journal
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.annalsofoncology.org/article/S0923-7534(19)63993-1/pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjGycat5L_-AhWNxQIHHTLgCGcQFnoECCUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3Ab6t0_He-TofYi8RSWUzo

The pdf reads…
Spontaneous remission of cancer (SR) is defined as a complete
or partial, temporary or permanent disappearance of all or at
least some relevant parameters of a soundly diagnosed malig-
nant disease without any medical treatment or with treatment
that is considered inadequate to produce the resulting regres-
sion. We report the case of a 61-year-old man who presented
with extensive metatastic disease five months after pneumo-
nectomy for poorly differentiated large cell and polymorphic
lung cancer. A vast metastatic tumour mass of the abdominal
wall was confirmed histolologically and there was clinical and
radiographic evidence of liver and lung metastases. Eight
months later, the patient was operated on for a hernia, which
had developed in the inguinal biopsy scar and the surgeon
confirmed complete clinical SR of the abdominal wall metas-
tases. Again five months later there was no
longer any radio-
logic evidence of liver and lung metastases. Complete remis-
sion has persisted more than five years. Histology of the
primary and of the abdominal metastases were reviewed by
several independent pathologists. SR is an
extremly rare event
in lung cancer. This is the first documented case of clinically
evident visceral metastases of a bronchiogenic adenocarci-
noma developing after complete resection of the primary
and then showing complete SR. The epidemiology of SR is
reviewed and possible mechanisms involved in SR are dis-
cussed.

This is another instances
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9402178/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/353036355_The_spontaneous_remission_of_cancer_Current_insights_and_therapeutic_significance

https://www.curetoday.com/view/inflammatory-biomarkers-from-lung-cancer-depression-may-predict-survival-outcomes

https://bmcpulmmed.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12890-019-0978-4


All the above from scientific Journals, not hearsays
My point is spontaneous remissions occur whether people pray to your Yahweh or not. Get that



If this is the best u can come up as evidence. Then u may not have managed lots of cancer pxt. That u even have to Google this up is funny, something that's quite common. Metastatic cancer is no longer death sentence compared to 1-2 decades ago.
One of my patient diagnosed of advanced squamous cell cancer of the mandible has now been told he's cancer free.
He had palliative radiotherapy last yr because they couldn't do surgery- tumour was too advance. Now the oncologist had written that he should be removed from cancer register because the cancer is cleared. I can't count cases like above I've encountered.
My own case is a woman who had fungating advanced cancer and it regressed without any treatment. So convenient it disappeared after meeting a man of God.
Ok let me be lenient. Post me cases of confirmed cancer diagnosis that regressed without treatment. Let's leave metastasis out of it.

April 25. 8.02 am
jaephoenix:

Chemo and radio can be used in palliative care. You need to read up

U are beginning to put words into my mouth. Where did I say they are not used. I said it's not a magic cure at that stage.

Jaephoenix April 25 8.17am
Which atheist did you challenge and that ran away? You talked about a woman getting healed about stage 4 cervical CA and I gave you scientific evidence that many people irrespective of religion, race and nationality have spontaneous carcinomatous remission. Those people did not pray to any yahweh for healing, yet got healed. Is that too much for you to understand?
Spontaneous remission after receiving treatment. undecided
Atheists will do anything to win an argument.

April 25 8.23 am
jaephoenix:

1. Bro, I brought scientifically diagnosed cases from medical journals because anyone can claim anything online (myself included). And that example is better than me saying I know so-so and so person who had spontaneous remission after a late prostate cancer that has metastasized to the lung or liver.
2. And yes lots of people get cured of cancers worldwide, not just in nigeria. Thanks to science and not yahweh.
3. So you're saying your index patient never had a drop of chemo or ray of radio? How was the diagnosis of the late cervical CA made?
Have u actually seen a case of advanced cervical cancer with fungating mass b4? Biopsy is for what u already know which we did anyway.
I already told u she had no chemo, radio or surgery.
Guy u are beginning to sound like those Pharisees in John 9 who were pestering that blind man who was healed by Jesus.
They wouldn't believe the poor guy but still wouldn't let him be.

jaephoenix:

You cleverly avoided using them. Because I have been asking you this question but you haven't been aswering them. If a patient was on those modalities, the chances of remission is high. So where is the miracle? Also the fact people that don't pray to yahweh or people that don't pray at all, still experience remission, then its obvious not a miracle

I will respond to this because it's medical related. Don't spread fallacy here
Chemo or radio for metastatic cancers still carries poor prognosis, remission do happen esp with advancement on therapy but it's not magic cure at that stage.


jaephoenix:

No. The essence of biopsy is to know the specific cervical cancer type which would determine the specific chemo to use. Why are you changing stance? You told me they used chemo and radio.
I have told you several times the causes of that remission. It looks like you don't read my posts

Point to me where I wrote she had chemo and radio.
U sha want her to have treatment by fire by force.
She didn't have treatment, deal with it.

Essence of biopsy is to know specific cancer type? Seriously? Are u a doctor as u claim?
Let me ask u few questions, If u remove a lump from a patient, will u send that lump for Biopsy or not?
If you perform colonoscopy on a patient who presented with rectal bleed. Will u send the parts of the bowel tissue for biopsy or not?


Now when I asked for above, the dishonest person born with a lying destiny screenshot this...
jaephoenix:

Chemo and radio can be used in palliative care. You need to read up

U are beginning to put words into my mouth. Where did I say they are not used. I said it's not a magic cure at that stage.
This was the desperate liar's evidence. When what I was clarifying here was that they do use chemo and radio in palliative cancer care but it's not magic cure at that stage.
I never inferred this re the index lady.

See as thesists dey use style runaway 4rm defending d gaffes in dia buy-bull 😅😂🤣

So back 2 d op. More buy-bull Gaffes

Face off among those that became friends when they wanted to criticize JWs.
The big show!

jaephoenix:
1. Excuse me, what did you correct me on?
2. I was even the person that corrected you. You said the patient that had a SR was given chemo/radio, only for you to deny later. I had to show you a screenshot where you said they received treatment.
LIAR

Sorry sir!
You mixed me up with someone else. I am not in the medical or biological sciences, therefore except for mundane things I can't debate anyone on cancer or chemotherapy . I don't even know what SR means and I've not received any treatment

TenQ:
Sorry sir!
You mixed me up with someone else. I am not in the medical or biological sciences, therefore except for mundane things I can't debate anyone on cancer or chemotherapy . I don't even know what SR means and I've not received any treatment

He actually wanted to quote me but the spirit of confusion in him misled him to misquote u.
That shows not only is jaephoenix a dishonest human being but also confused and disoriented.
But u know what, he will come here and tell u that it's not his fault because he's destined to be confused and dishonest. He will also claim he was born to be a liar so he can't help it. He's Mr irreversible destiny.

jaephoenix:
This post has more lies than the whole bible combined. Where do I start?
1. The christian definition of repentance is the same as dictionary.
repentance
/rɪˈpɛnt(ə)ns/
noun
the action of repenting; sincere regret or remorse.
"each person who turns to God in genuine repentance and faith will be saved"
3. Some countries have enforced christian laws on their citizens irrespective of their religion.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_state#:~:text=Greenland%20and%20the%20Faroes)%2C%20England,state%2C%20or%20an%20Islamic%20state.
4. The bible implicitly states that its the word of god. In fact it states that the bible is 'god-breathed'.
5. You never defined 'fore knowledge' but you defined omniscient, and unfortunately your examples of omniscient acts of yahweh weren't correct cos they were short of the definition.
Try to dey lie small small

Using a word in it's own definition is not helpful here.
U failed to define repentance. If u mean remorse or regret- that doesn't cut it.
Repentance in Christianity- sense of guilt, acknowledgement of sin and genuine desire to turn away from sin and embrace God through salvation.

SIRTee15:
He actually wanted to quote me but the spirit of confusion in him misled him to misquote u.
That shows not only is jaephoenix a dishonest human being but also confused and disoriented.
But u know what, he will come here and tell u that it's not his fault because he's destined to be confused and dishonest. He will also claim he was born to be a liar so he can't help it. He's Mr irreversible destiny.

Couldn't help but laugh at this your comment. Please pity his life bro!
LOL!

jaephoenix:
How do you know this?

It's an undeniable historical facts that no one has been able to refute.

Matthew, Mark Luke and John are the first documented evidence.

The Book of Act is another evidence.

The experience of Paul as written in the book of Acts and his letters are evidences.

If their written records are not true, someone should be able to refute them with evidences but no one has ever done that.

Lastly, I am a living evidence that Jesus is alive because he lives in me. And he has filled me with his Holy Spirit.

TenQ:
Sorry sir!
You mixed me up with someone else. I am not in the medical or biological sciences, therefore except for mundane things I can't debate anyone on cancer or chemotherapy . I don't even know what SR means and I've not received any treatment

Hahahaha look at this potential thief o 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Ken4Christ:
It's an undeniable historical facts that no one has been able to refute.

Matthew, Mark Luke and John are the first documented evidence.

The Book of Act is another evidence.

The experience of Paul as written in the book of Acts and his letters are evidences.

If their written records are not true, someone should be able to refute them with evidences but no one has ever done that.

Lastly, I am a living evidence that Jesus is alive because he lives in me. And he has filled me with his Holy Spirit.

Who told you they wrote any of the books?
It has been refuted so many times.

Ken4Christ:
The Book of Act is another evidence.

The experience of Paul as written in the book of Acts and his letters are evidences.

If their written records are not true, someone should be able to refute them with evidences but no one has ever done that.

Which research have you done on your religion to know if it has been refuted?

TenQ:
Of course, birds of the same "father" watching out for each other!
LOL!

So, it pained you that I am revealing things Muslims would rather keep secret!?

Too bad Bro!

All you Atheists on NL are in no match for me: that's why no storm kicks up with respect to you in my teacup! Narrow minded wannabes forming knowledge! SMH!

Most Muslims even in their errors are a thousand times more sincere (only sincerely wrong) than you Atheists. People with narrow knowledge claiming to be gods to themselves!

I don't give a Bleep about Muslims. My point is whoever lives in a glass house shouldn't throw stones. Your Bible is fraught with loads of contradictions and falsehoods but you ignore it and attack the qoran. Thats my point

SIRTee15:
1. Of course I agree with u that freedom mean the same thing in America and Afghanistan.
That's why it took America 4 presidents, thousand of lives mostly young men, wasted trillions of dollars and 20 years to replace Taliban with Taliban all in the name of defining freedom in Afghanistan.
2. Define death, then maybe we can talk. I dont want to waste my time with u anymore.

1. We are talking of dictionary definitions not political views and actions
2. I have done that a long time ago

SIRTee15:

People, above is what happens when u depart from God and claim u are atheist. The devil builds a throne in your heart and invites his legions to build a workshop. Then they will passing depraved and corrupt thought through your heart.
How can someone say an innocent child that doesn't know her left or right, has no sense of danger already has the spirit of prostitution and armed robbery living in them.
Even a 2 year old knows nothing expect to cry, play, eat and smile at you. But at that age, her mind is already building for her a despicable career in red street light district acording to jaephoenix.
Above is the reason why the Muslim north is in destitute and dragging the rest of the nation backwards.
They believe in this kind of nonsense thinking that Allah has designed the destiny of every child so it's a waste of time training them. They just have babies and once the baby can walk, they throw them to the streets to fend themselves. The parents are not bothered since what will be will be. Of course, this kids become breeding ground for terrorist and bandits, all because of a warped mentality.
Has jaephoenix bothered to test his theory in places like Norway that has lesser crime and Saudi Arabia that has no prostitution? How come Providence forgot to push armed robbers and prostitutes to those countries but we get them plenty for Nigeria.
Even Yoruba culture believes your destiny lies in your hand while ibos believe if u say yes your chi will eventually say yes. But one wannabe fatalist atheist is insisting otherwise.
Pls ignore him, na isokuso. He knows too well that he's saying nonsense.
I'm sure he will give the best to his children so that they will come out well in life. But wants other people's children to became whores or thugs so that he can continue to indulge in his 3some/porn addiction or for political thug when he desires political ambition.
Education, family upbringing and environment plays important role in shaping the future of a child. There's no fixed destiny anywhere.

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, above is the reason why education and not religion is pertinent to a nation's growth.
Destiny clearly means a predetermined ending. Not controlled by oneself or others. But this brainwashed dude still cannot accept it. He prefers what his pastor told him. I can decide to train my kids to be good people but they end up as robbers. My own parents are both pentecostal christians, they strongly want me to be like them. They trained me with daily bible recitals, bible study classes etc. Did it pan out like that? Unfortunately no. Why? Its my destiny to be an atheist at this point in my life. Note: I may turn out to be a chrissie later in life by some classic twist of fate. I don't know for sure. No one knows for sure.
You cannot know for sure what a child would end up to be. A professor, pastor or wealthy politician can have armed robber kids. This can happen by a twist of fate AKA destiny. Did the kid wish it that way initially? Probably not! My 10 year old bible totting self(steeped in Scripture Union) wouldn't wish to be an atheist but here I am. IT'S ALL DESTINY
And what has destiny gotta do with crime rates in Saudi and Norway? You well so?

SIRTee15:
Why didnt you post the full statement. Why did remove the aspect of treatment. That's dishonesty.
So removing the primary tumour is precaution
They should have left it and declare the woman cancer free then, see attempt to give excuse for act of dishonesty.

Ok. Here are more examples from reliable sources. This time from British Medical Journal.

Locally advanced lung cancer, if untreated, typically progresses although the rapidity of progression may vary. The authors report the case of an 84-year-old woman who presented with radiologically progressive, biopsy proven stage IIIB (T2N3) squamous cell carcinoma in the left lower lobe of the lung. Her disease was too advanced for curative treatment and in view of the lack of symptoms to palliate, she received no anticancer treatment. In follow-up, her tumour was noted to spontaneously regress in size on serial chest x-rays. Eight months after biopsy, restaging CT showed complete resolution of the enlarged biopsy proven mediastinal and hilar lymph nodes and significant regression of the primary tumour. She remains clinically well.
https://casereports.bmj.com/content/2010/bcr.07.2010.3147

More examples
Spontaneous regression of hepatocellular cancer: Case report and review of the literature [8].

Patient had chronic hepatitis C infection, inflammation of the liver. Patient was admitted for pneumonia afterward patient had a remission of hepatocellular carcinoma without any signs or symptoms. Two separate immune reactions are occurring at about the same time.

Spontaneous regression of hepatocellular cancer: Case report and review of the literature [8].

Patient had chronic hepatitis C infection, inflammation of the liver. Patient was admitted for pneumonia afterward patient had a remission of hepatocellular carcinoma without any signs or symptoms. Two separate immune reactions are occurring at about the same time.

Complete remission of splenic marginal zone lymphoma after an acute flare-up of hepatitis B in a hepatitis B virus carrier [5].

Patient has chronic hepatitis B. HBs antibody is negative. HBs antibody becomes positive and patient has a flare-up of hepatitis B. Afterwards the patient had a remission of lymphoma without any signs or symptoms. Two separate immune reactions are occurring at about the same time

https://clinmedjournals.org/articles/ijccr/international-journal-of-cancer-and-clinical-research-ijccr-6-112.php

So what can you say about these ones, Mr. Yahweh-Heals-Cancers-Through-Prayers

SIRTee15:
See why debating with u is waste of time. U went the whole world to define death but still failed the test.
Death is separation of soul from the body.
Now if u don't agree with above why should I discuss afterlife with u?
Reason why discussing hell or heaven with u guys is waste of time.

Ok now you're opening more can of worms? Lemme oblige you and agree. But before that, lets see. Can you define 'soul' and 'body' here?

SIRTee15:
The problem is you are confused, not only are u dishonest but disoriented. The same way quoted the wrong person is the way u imagined I said something I did not. My God is exposing u for who you are.
Now I will post all our conversation re the cancer case and ask all including your maynman to judge who is the liar.
April 21 12.18pm
jaephoenix:

1. Why does Yahweh use thunder and lightning to speak to people in the bible, but now only speaks personally these days? Why does he appear to people back then but nobody dey see him brake lights these days? Why does he display his might by sending down fire from heaven but these days its a problem?
Now you're using jargons like Rhema which is a term many Christians call different things. With all this rhema have you seen an amputee limb regrow?
2. About your question, I haven't seen any life miracle. And yes also I work in the medical field. I'm a 17 year post housejob physician and yet haven't seen any of the miracle you talk about. Diseases relapse and regress, and it doesn't have any supernatural connotations because it also happens to non-christians and people that don't pray to your god. And also those cancer remissions can also relapse. And we don't know everything about diseases. We are still researching.
Please which specific medical field are you in?
3. We're used to being called foolish because we don't acknowledge your god. Yet the joke is on you grin

[b]How do u know God doesn't use lightning and thunder to communicate his words. Have u spoken to all men of God today to confirm?
Besides in the new covenant we now have the holy spirit in us that constantly communicates. We don't have to wait for rain like sango worshippers b4 hearing from God. That's the privilege we enjoy but absent in the old covenant. The spirit actually has to descend to communicate to the prophets.

I don't need to disclose my field of work.

But explain to me this so called cancer regression in an elderly woman with advanced fungating stage 4 cervical cancer with cachetic body. If u have actually been with someone described above, u will know how badly they smell that they are normally isolated on the ward.
This was a woman I saw few months later and was completely healthy. I didn't even recognise her.
I was using style to ask her daughter who was with her how's her mum because I believed she would have been dead. Only for her to tell me the person I'm asking after is actually the one beside her. To say I was shocked was an understatement.
This happened in Benue state. She was taken to a popular man of God in NIgeria for prayers. My opinion of that man of God changed after that experience.
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April 21 3.06pm
jaephoenix:

[b]1. How do you know Yahweh still interacts with lightning and thunder? Has he been doing such with you?
2. I'm sure you must have seen or heard several people commit all sorts of crimes ranging from fornication or adultery to murder, and then claim they had an unction from the holy spirit to do it. Does your holy spirit authorize such? If you say no, then you're saying that such 'unctions' can be faked.
3. No problem if you don't wanna talk about your work
4. About the stage 4 cervical CA, I have some questions
A. Which hospital was that?
B. Was she on chemo/radio?
C. Was a debulking op done on her?

Let's just go to number 4. The rest are mere speculations from your sides.
Why do you want to know the hospital. Do u know any Nigerian hosp that has successfully managed a stage 4 advanced cervical cancer.

Radio or chemo in benue state for stage 4 cervical cancer. I want to believe u work in a teaching hospital in Nigeria where u people just throw everything at patient anyhow. Someone that's dying, u will be telling the family to pay 100k for ICU, 50k for CT scan, 100k for theatre.
That's not how general or private hospital operates. She was referred anyway but didn't go.

That's what we offered her but when we explained to family it's just to reduce the fungating smell and help with quality of life but not really to cure the cancer, they took her away.

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April 21. 7.29pm
jaephoenix:

1. You said all I said was speculation? How do you know?
2. I know stage 4 CAs falls into palliative care. But they still receive chemo and radio. My question is was she on those treatments before they took her away?

2. Nope.
But common be real. So u expecting chemo and radio to do the magic for a metastatic cancer. It makes them worse if anything. Esp in Nigeria where adjuvant treatment support is poor.
Look here, the woman has received her healing, let's move on.
I can tell u another one I witnessed in uch if u interested. I get them plenty for pocket. MIRACLE IS REAL.


April 22. 8.05am
jaephoenix:

Bro if you have been following my posts, I said remissions happen to everyone, including Muslims, Atheists etc, those that never prayed to Yahweh. So I don't understand what you are pointing at. Its not Yahweh that caused it. I told you that we scientists don't understand everything about these diseases, especially mitotic lesions

Give me evidence of a metastatic fungating cervical cancer that went into full remission, without any form of therapy.
Post the evidence here, I will like to see it.



April 24. 3.19pm
jaephoenix:

Bro, the study of spontaneous remissions in carcinomas has been ongoing for decades. Many physicians worldwide have observed it and there are many well documented cases. It has absolutely no relationship with any religion, race or regions. And definitely not caused by Yahweh. Like I said twice before, there are many things we don't understand about cancers which come to light daily.
I'll post some links about reported cases here.
This is from an Oncology journal
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.annalsofoncology.org/article/S0923-7534(19)63993-1/pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjGycat5L_-AhWNxQIHHTLgCGcQFnoECCUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3Ab6t0_He-TofYi8RSWUzo

The pdf reads…
Spontaneous remission of cancer (SR) is defined as a complete
or partial, temporary or permanent disappearance of all or at
least some relevant parameters of a soundly diagnosed malig-
nant disease without any medical treatment or with treatment
that is considered inadequate to produce the resulting regres-
sion. We report the case of a 61-year-old man who presented
with extensive metatastic disease five months after pneumo-
nectomy for poorly differentiated large cell and polymorphic
lung cancer. A vast metastatic tumour mass of the abdominal
wall was confirmed histolologically and there was clinical and
radiographic evidence of liver and lung metastases. Eight
months later, the patient was operated on for a hernia, which
had developed in the inguinal biopsy scar and the surgeon
confirmed complete clinical SR of the abdominal wall metas-
tases. Again five months later there was no
longer any radio-
logic evidence of liver and lung metastases. Complete remis-
sion has persisted more than five years. Histology of the
primary and of the abdominal metastases were reviewed by
several independent pathologists. SR is an
extremly rare event
in lung cancer. This is the first documented case of clinically
evident visceral metastases of a bronchiogenic adenocarci-
noma developing after complete resection of the primary
and then showing complete SR. The epidemiology of SR is
reviewed and possible mechanisms involved in SR are dis-
cussed.

This is another instances
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9402178/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/353036355_The_spontaneous_remission_of_cancer_Current_insights_and_therapeutic_significance

https://www.curetoday.com/view/inflammatory-biomarkers-from-lung-cancer-depression-may-predict-survival-outcomes

https://bmcpulmmed.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12890-019-0978-4


All the above from scientific Journals, not hearsays
My point is spontaneous remissions occur whether people pray to your Yahweh or not. Get that



If this is the best u can come up as evidence. Then u may not have managed lots of cancer pxt. That u even have to Google this up is funny, something that's quite common. Metastatic cancer is no longer death sentence compared to 1-2 decades ago.
One of my patient diagnosed of advanced squamous cell cancer of the mandible has now been told he's cancer free.
He had palliative radiotherapy last yr because they couldn't do surgery- tumour was too advance. Now the oncologist had written that he should be removed from cancer register because the cancer is cleared. I can't count cases like above I've encountered.
[b]My own case is a woman who had fungating advanced cancer and it regressed without any treatment. So convenient it disappeared after meeting a man of God.[/b]
Ok let me be lenient. Post me cases of confirmed cancer diagnosis that regressed without treatment. Let's leave metastasis out of it.

April 25. 8.02 am
jaephoenix:

Chemo and radio can be used in palliative care. You need to read up

U are beginning to put words into my mouth. Where did I say they are not used. I said it's not a magic cure at that stage.

Jaephoenix April 25 8.17am
Which atheist did you challenge and that ran away? You talked about a woman getting healed about stage 4 cervical CA and I gave you scientific evidence that many people irrespective of religion, race and nationality have spontaneous carcinomatous remission. Those people did not pray to any yahweh for healing, yet got healed. Is that too much for you to understand?
Spontaneous remission after receiving treatment. undecided
Atheists will do anything to win an argument.

April 25 8.23 am
jaephoenix:

1. Bro, I brought scientifically diagnosed cases from medical journals because anyone can claim anything online (myself included). And that example is better than me saying I know so-so and so person who had spontaneous remission after a late prostate cancer that has metastasized to the lung or liver.
2. And yes lots of people get cured of cancers worldwide, not just in nigeria. Thanks to science and not yahweh.
3. So you're saying your index patient never had a drop of chemo or ray of radio? How was the diagnosis of the late cervical CA made?
Have u actually seen a case of advanced cervical cancer with fungating mass b4? Biopsy is for what u already know which we did anyway.
I already told u she had no chemo, radio or surgery.
Guy u are beginning to sound like those Pharisees in John 9 who were pestering that blind man who was healed by Jesus.
They wouldn't believe the poor guy but still wouldn't let him be.

jaephoenix:

You cleverly avoided using them. Because I have been asking you this question but you haven't been aswering them. If a patient was on those modalities, the chances of remission is high. So where is the miracle? Also the fact people that don't pray to yahweh or people that don't pray at all, still experience remission, then its obvious not a miracle

I will respond to this because it's medical related. Don't spread fallacy here
Chemo or radio for metastatic cancers still carries poor prognosis, remission do happen esp with advancement on therapy but it's not magic cure at that stage.


jaephoenix:

No. The essence of biopsy is to know the specific cervical cancer type which would determine the specific chemo to use. Why are you changing stance? You told me they used chemo and radio.
I have told you several times the causes of that remission. It looks like you don't read my posts

Point to me where I wrote she had chemo and radio.
U sha want her to have treatment by fire by force.
She didn't have treatment, deal with it.

Essence of biopsy is to know specific cancer type? Seriously? Are u a doctor as u claim?
Let me ask u few questions, If u remove a lump from a patient, will u send that lump for Biopsy or not?
If you perform colonoscopy on a patient who presented with rectal bleed. Will u send the parts of the bowel tissue for biopsy or not?


Now when I asked for above, the dishonest person born with a lying destiny screenshot this...
jaephoenix:

Chemo and radio can be used in palliative care. You need to read up

U are beginning to put words into my mouth. Where did I say they are not used. I said it's not a magic cure at that stage.
This was the desperate liar's evidence. When what I was clarifying here was that they do use chemo and radio in palliative cancer care but it's not magic cure at that stage.
I never inferred this re the index lady.

Did they say the cancer disappeared immediately after prayers?

MaxInDHouse:
Face off among those that became friends when they wanted to criticize JWs.
The big show!

Get out of here. This isn't a JW thread

TenQ:
Sorry sir!
You mixed me up with someone else. I am not in the medical or biological sciences, therefore except for mundane things I can't debate anyone on cancer or chemotherapy . I don't even know what SR means and I've not received any treatment

In one sentence, explain why you harass Muslims but run away from atheists

SIRTee15:
He actually wanted to quote me but the spirit of confusion in him misled him to misquote u.
That shows not only is jaephoenix a dishonest human being but also confused and disoriented.
But u know what, he will come here and tell u that it's not his fault because he's destined to be confused and dishonest. He will also claim he was born to be a liar so he can't help it. He's Mr irreversible destiny.

Mr. Wannabe chrissie I have given you instances of SRs from reliable sources. Not the hearsay you are telling me here