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eventainment:
Well, the question I will ask is do you love God?
If yes!
Then it is written: if you love Me keep my commandments!
And one of the commandments states thus: do not forsake the congregation of the RIGHTEOUS.
Instead of not going at all be attending Gbile Akanni fellowships: Living Seed (Peace House) is not a church but a fellowship where Christians from different denominations meet to expose Gods word.

This one don dey don advert sharp sharp

Westerhoffe:
I am not trying to infuriate anyone here. Read my comment properly and understand.

The closeness those prophets of GOD the children of Israel go to, do you know how well they maintain it before and with GOD?

Or have you not read what GOD said about a prophet He did not choose Himself?

Was Moses the one doing all what he was doing then by his own powers?
Which of the self acclaimed prophets/pastors today are willing to become Spirits in human bodies like those prophets of GOD in those days?

Do you think it's just by screaming, "I command healing to your body!" at the name of Jesus and everything will just be happening?

Most pastors today don't even know GOD!
Understand what I am trying to make you realize!!

When JESUS CHRIST spoke in:

Matthew 17 (KJV)
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²⁰ And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
²¹ Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

Do you realize that GOD does not even recognize some of these Pastors/ministers that are leading you, but which many are following sheepishly?

To be a true Man of GOD to the level of laying hands on the sick and they getting healed is not achieved by the loudness of your prayers on the microphone and the air you blow into the microphone to polish your glory before men. It is achieved by your closeness to GOD, your relationship with the Almighty and your hotness in the HOLY SPIRIT.

All sicknesses are natural or spiritual.
So the power to reverse it when it defies medicines is in the hands of GOD alone, not in the hands of pastors… they're not GOD.

And the issue is, most of them today are only seeking their own fame and glory.

That a pastor is shouting and sighing does not make him or give him the power to be able to heal the sick, please.

Pray sir, what sicknesses are spiritual?
Patiently waiting for your enlightening answer

northbird:
Sorry about the loss.. it's painful. But miracles are real....But .. the most important factor in invoking the miracle is always the subject/sick person.
"The just shall live by his faith"

Not the preacher's faith,or pastor's faith or congregation faith, but your own faith. Most people don't know this open truth.

Faith comes by raising your consciousness through self affirmations of healing verses ( repetitive confession ,like 7 times daily of different verses .In the orients, it's known as chanting mantras.. Till the verses enters the subconscious, where instructions will be given to the cancerous cells to stop replication and begin the restorative process at the cellular level.

The body has the power to heal itself, it's a latent power ,most people don't engage it.
Drugs and medical intervention just aid. The real healing is from the host/body itself

1. How do you know the deceased and others like him didn't do such or more, and still didn't get healed?
2. Did the daughter of the centurion healed by Jesus undergo such rigors or hoopla. Matter of fact, how many of those jesus healed went through all that? Only thing Jesus said was their faith healed them, but I never read anywhere any of the sick was not healed because of 'insufficient faith'
3. How come miracles don't happen these days despite Jesus saying wonders would be more in the later days?
4. Finally, how many amputee limbs have you seen regrow

coputa:
Churches are not useless,it's the followers and the pastors that are practicing it wrongly especially in the African continent.
There is this wrong notion that it Is the pastor that will heal you and solve your spiritual problems,no,the church is to build your faith and beliefs,and when is done every other thing Will fall in place.
Many pastors has noticed this and they have taken great advantage of it to swindle guilible adherents.
Church is not useless.

What is the usefulness of churches?

jaephoenix:
Pray sir, what sicknesses are spiritual?
Patiently waiting for your enlightening answer

If you don't understand, have any idea or experience, then it's no use trying to explain.

lereinter:
I agree that there are many scam pastors now, infact listening to radio is enough to know

The ones that are not selling oil and water are doing marketing for travel agents to carry people to Israel and Jordan

But you must understand that God only heals not any pastor

Jesus Christ told the blind man He heal, not to go back to sin else worst thing would happen

Do you know some things are punishment from a misdeed and sin


Everyone is going to die, and the utmost is that you reach heaven

Many of the apostles were killed in gruesome ways, but they already saw where they were going


Either in pain or not, the utmost is to serve God and be holy

Like what things? And whats the punishment

woginid967:
You think i am just gistin?

Bro I have been healed before.... It works.... Na una no know how to waka .

Men dey.... Legit Spiritual work dey wey dey work fast.

People get healed whether they believe/ pray to any God or not.
I guess you've not read about Moris Goodman read about him here https://www2.cbn.com/article/not-selected/morris-goodman-blink-eye

Even if this man was taken to any church, I'm sure the pastor would reject him. He was not a Christian then, yet he got healed miraculously.

In all thy getting, get Wisdom.
Some people prayed to God, and they were healed.
Some prayed to stones and were healed.
Some ddnt even pray at all , yet they were healed.
Some were not even healed at all praying to either or all of the above.
What does that tell you? That is the Law of Average at work

Ylink4sure:
Your uncle went to a man in this case with a title (Pastor) and not God. He should have gone to God and going to God doesn't necessarily mean stepping out to anywhere. Afterall,Jesus indicated that the best prayer are said on our knees,alone, behind closed doors. The pertinent issue is did he have a personal relationship with God. It is better to have that relationship with God and go to him in terms of crisis than to allow crisis compel us to rush to God for a miracle. Even at that even with a relationship with him anything can happen! Remember,he said he'll have mercy on whom he chooses! A relationship with him increases your chances of victory over troubles.

See,God is complete! He doesn't need you,it is you that needs him! So,you can decide to give up on God, he won't stop you for the same reason he hasn't compelled you to serve him!

OP said he has gone to Yahweh severally, nothing happened. Thus he went to the pastor

coputa:
Is mostly when you are doing the right thing that God's grace normally got activated.As a student you must study hard to pass your exams first before praying for grace, ditto a sick person who is sick should see a doctor for proper diagnosis and treatment first before backing it with prayers and maybe healing from a pastor.
The pastor is not a doctor to consult when you are sick,the pastor is not your books to consult when you want to pass your exam.Grace always visits at the place of your works,Works in all ramifications.Grace doesn't come when you are doing the wrong thing.

Why exactly then do you pray?

coputa:
How does God pour blessing on the wicked,is it temporary blessings of the wicked that you termed God's blessings.Some wealthy people who got their wealth from the devil,some decades ago,are now the poorest in their locality.God's blessings endureth forever., the devil's is for a while.

Are you aware some people who 'got their wealth from yahweh' are equally broke?

jaephoenix:
1. How do you know the deceased and others like him didn't do such or more, and still didn't get healed?
2. Did the daughter of the centurion healed by Jesus undergo such rigors or hoopla. Matter of fact, how many of those jesus healed went through all that? Only thing Jesus said was their faith healed them, but I never read anywhere any of the sick was not healed because of 'insufficient faith'
3. How come miracles don't happen these days despite Jesus saying wonders would be more in the later days?
4. Finally, how many amputee limbs have you seen regrow

1. I don't know that.

2. Go and read well about the centurion as regards faith..

3. Things don't just happen, they are made to happen.

4. Never seen one. We are talking of healing not regrowth of human limbs.

FRANCISTOWN:
Lazarus wey die wey Jesus wake up which faith him get?

The mad man from whom Jesus sent out a legion of spirits which faith him get?

When Jesus told Peter and Andrew to re-cast their net into the waters; they even ensued in an argument with Jesus to show the highest level of unbelief, yet they still caught much fishes despite their level of unbelief

In Mark 9:20-26 lemme post just verse 24, 'The father instantly cried out, “I do believe, but help me overcome my unbelief!”'

And at the end it the day, that man's child was healed despite his unbelief.

We can see several places in the Bible where many people who never had faith received bountiful miracles.

You always find excuse for your God whenever he fails to live up to his hype. Now it was the man's faith; someone who refused going oversea for some random church didn't have faith?
Do you guys think with your shoes, what took him to church in the first place if not his faith in Jesus .
Why didn't he go to the mosque.

Don't be angry over nothing. Faith is what connects you to the miraculous. Dropping money or donating will never equal word generated faith within you.

Westerhoffe:
With GOD, all things are possible.

I asked a simple question and its yes or no. You said you have seen many miracles(which are all staged), so I ask you again, have you or any chrissie here seem any amputee limb regrow? See amputees are 2 a dime these days. They even litter the roads. There are at least 7 orthopedic hospitals in Nigeria, each with a teeming population of amputees. Yet not even one, just one, has been healed. What does that tell you?

Westerhoffe:
If you don't understand, have any idea or experience, then it's no use trying to explain.

You love dodging questions. You said all diseases are either spiritual or natural. Someone asked you which ones are spiritual, you reply him that if he doesn't have any experience, he'll not understand. If I have an experience of the 'spiritual disease' would I be asking you?
Sies!

jaephoenix:
I asked a simple question and its yes or no. You said you have seen many miracles(which are all staged), so I ask you again, have you or any chrissie here seem any amputee limb regrow? See amputees are 2 a dime these days. They even litter the roads. There are at least 7 orthopedic hospitals in Nigeria, each with a teeming population of amputees. Yet not even one, just one, has been healed. What does that tell you?

What do you mean by amputee healed..? You mean you believe a miracle ,if it grows back? That's ridiculous.

northbird:
1. I don't know that.

2. Go and read well about the centurion as regards faith..

3. Things don't just happen, they are made to happen.

4. Never seen one. We are talking of healing not regrowth of human limbs.

1. Good. You don't know. So don't judge
2. We're talking about the daughter who has the disease, not the centurion. Besides, the centurion didn't fast, pray, go to the mountain, all he did was ask his daughter to be healed, and boom, it happened.
3. Obviously you haven't read that part of your Bible properly. I suggest you go back and read it
4. Bro, so a limb regrowing isn't a healing? Really?

northbird:
Don't be angry over nothing. Faith is what connects you to the miraculous. Dropping money or donating will never equal word generated faith within you.

So which faith did the dead Lazarus have?

northbird:
What do you mean by amputee healed..? You mean you believe a miracle ,if it grows back? That's ridiculous.

Oh its ridiculous
Someone with HIV can be healed. But an amputee can't have his limbs regrow. God of the impossibility
Lol, now this knocked me out.
Your honor, I rest my case

Faith is seeing the true reality of things and not giving validation to negative news which will in turn produce effects on the body and it's functions.

Let me give you an example,
If I told you ,
1. You have been given a new 3 bedroom apartment for life., how would you feel,you will feel elated,so also all the organs of the body.

2. Your new 3 bedroom apartment has been demolished by the state government..,how would you feel, downcast, 😔, so also the organs and functions of the body.

Two scenarios, both are not true,but they will nevertheless physically impact the functions of the body through the mind that receives and dwell on such thoughts,whether true or untrue.

That is how faith works, holding on to the truth ...

jaephoenix:
Oh its ridiculous
Someone with HIV can be healed. But an amputee can't have his limbs regrow. God of the impossibility
Lol, now this knocked me out.
Your honor, I rest my case

What do you understand by HIV..? If I may ask you.
By my understanding of HIv+,it means the immunity of the blood cells have been compromised, cells too can heal themselves..and regain the immunity they previously lost.

jaephoenix:
So which faith did the dead Lazarus have?

Read the events in John , Martha had faith that if Jesus had come earlier, things would have been better, but Jesus was saying, Have faith,regardless of how bad the situation is?
So Martha 's faith

FRANCISTOWN:
Comrade your own no go spoil.
Your matter no go plakotoria, your life go soft. Your ways go easy.

Me I dey package my money dey enter orphanages, dey enter lungu where beggars dey normal normal.
If any pastor or Imam or herbalist wan whine me street lasan abi any of my relative wey I like, I fit tear am slap, come even arrange boys make them run am level.

Chairman I hail. Ya eye dey open. No yeye pastor, Imam or Babalawo fiti use cunny and wayo and jibiti take style collet money for ya hand.

You go mount FRESH toto plenty dis year in Jeeeeesus name Amen!

We dey follow una for back, no chaking.

jaephoenix:
1. Good. You don't know. So don't judge
2. We're talking about the daughter who has the disease, not the centurion. Besides, the centurion didn't fast, pray, go to the mountain, all he did was ask his daughter to be healed, and boom, it happened.
3. Obviously you haven't read that part of your Bible properly. I suggest you go back and read it
4. Bro, so a limb regrowing isn't a healing? Really?

You don't know your scriptures. Jesus commended the centurion's faith, Jesus was amazed at his level of faith. because Jesus wanted to come in person physically to their house, but centurion said, Just say a word, and my daughter will be healed , that is great faith..

The problem with most of you folks is ,you don't study the scriptures yourself, you then come back and lump all pastor's into one group.

Nobody is going to pray for you more than yourself..so if you have any issues in life, locate relevant scriptures in that area and begin to affirm the truth.

jaephoenix:
This one don dey don advert sharp sharp

I wish Gbile Akanni was advert. Bear in mind it's not a church but a fellowship and no them no de collect offering

Noun student?

V9er:
The opium of the people

northbird:
Faith is seeing the true reality of things and not giving validation to negative news which will in turn produce effects on the body and it's functions.

Let me give you an example,
If I told you ,
1. You have been given a new 3 bedroom apartment for life., how would you feel,you will feel elated,so also all the organs of the body.

2. Your new 3 bedroom apartment has been demolished by the state government..,how would you feel, downcast, 😔, so also the organs and functions of the body.

Two scenarios, both are not true,but they will nevertheless physically impact the functions of the body through the mind that receives and dwell on such thoughts,whether true or untrue.

That is how faith works, holding on to the truth ...

Whoa. Interesting…
Which organs of the body are specifically impacted by news?
How does this last sentence impact on your post. Don't you think its completely disconnected?

SultanOfAbia:
One of my favorite uncle had cancer, he visited different churches. Looking for healing.
I remember one time I followed him to his pastors church.
They called him up for miracle healing
The pastor took my uncle to the altar and prayed and prayed, casting and binding together with the congregation

Then they both came out and the pastor said that my uncle had been healed. That he should do scam for the tumor.
The congregation shouted in praise
Pastor said that my uncle is already healed.
After program my uncle donate 400k to pastor.

On Monday, first thing we went to FMC and after the MRI scan. It turns out the tumor got bigger than before.

I watched my uncle slowly die in pain and agony upon all the prayers.
He lost faith in his pastor and other churches. He died 3 weeks later..

THE PASTOR REFUSED TO ANNOUNCE MY UNCLES DEATH BECAUSE IT WILL MAKE HIM LOOK LIKE HIS PRAYERS FAILED.

AFTER I NOTICED THIS
I VOWED NOT TO ENTER ANY CHURCH
THEY ARE BUNCH OF SCAMMERS SELLING HOPE FOR THE MASSES.

U b no know. Life is vivid, what ain't logical ain't logical. Everything invented by man is a lie

northbird:
What do you understand by HIV..? If I may ask you.
By my understanding of HIv+,it means the immunity of the blood cells have been compromised, cells too can heal themselves..and regain the immunity they previously lost.

Okay. Lemme educate you a bit.
In HIV/AIDS the white blood cells cannot fight microbes as they used to. Thus inflammatory responses needed for healing etc are impaired. So obviously you are saying the healing caused the white blood cells to regain their inflammatory functions.
So are you saying in cases of limb amputation both traumatic and auto amputation, the healing cannot work?

northbird:
Read the events in John , Martha had faith that if Jesus had come earlier, things would have been better, but Jesus was saying, Have faith,regardless of how bad the situation is?
So Martha 's faith

Okay. So to you that's faith.
So what is different from what she did to what OPs uncle did? In his case, he fasted, prayed etc. Martha didn’t do all that, yet Lazarus was healed

jaephoenix:
What is the usefulness of churches?

for spiritual growth.