ednut1:
Islam will over take in 5 years time. Atheism is not a religion tho

Raf4:
Tell us any religion, organisation, institution or individual that promotes education more than Christianity in Nigeria or Africa even in the whole world. Even majority of atheists attended Christian schools at some point in their lives.

Wagwanbrethren:
Oga, how is atheism a religion na? 🤷‍♂️
Your figures sef dey exaggerated one Kain! 🥴

You say atheism/non religious, and you still call am religion!🙄

Wagwanbrethren:

Dude, you are saying shite! 🤮

Lawag3:


It's Their loss if they prefer a killer and a pedophile to a savior it's still doesn't make Islam right

AntiChristian:


No one knows you better than you people!

They knew Jesus never practiced Christianity!

Lawag3:


But he was killed for saying he is God and he is the son son of God he said he was the only way all this he said are core beliefs of Christianity isn't it😁.

He even personally converted Paul from a Jew who kills Christians to a Christian who is ready to die for Christ.

Lukuluku69:


Killed? How can you kill God?

By hanging him on a Stake/Tree?

Lawag3:


He became human to die for you . Your good works can and will not save you

Lawag3:


But he was killed for saying he is God and he is the son son of God he said he was the only way all this he said are core beliefs of Christianity isn't it😁.

He even personally converted Paul from a Jew who kills Christians to a Christian who is ready to die for Christ.

Lukuluku69:


He did not come to die for me! Well may be you. I don't want the "Blood" of any innocent man to stand for me before God Almighty. Let my Righteousness be upon me and if I sin, I will seek God's forgiveness.

Before your Jesus "died", Abraham Righteousness spoke for him, and in that line I test my case for Salvation.

Lawag3:


He was innocent yeah and the only innocent being who could pay for the sins of man

We have pass the time of Abraham . Abraham righteousness cover only himself Jesus blood covers all of mankind.

AntiChristian:


How many Israelites believe all these your rants above?

Compare it with Muhammad!

Charity begins at home!

Lukuluku69:


If Abraham Righteousness can speak for him before God, it is meaningless to wait on the "Blood" of anyone. It doesn't make sense.

Besides, before the supposedly blooding shedding of any man-god, Millions have lived and passed on here on Earth, they lived by God Laws and Commandments. Are you now saying all that was in vain? When they did all that hoping for a reward from God who commanded such?

Your Calvary drama happened just a little over 2,000 years ago what of those who lived hundreds and thousands of years before that? Or even people who lived after but never heard of that story?

It doesn't make any sense to me before for I have heard of the story before and it doesn't make any sense to me now.

So, I am sticking with my Islam.

Lawag3:


They had a kind of sin offerings they transferred Their sins to an animal and killed it because sin most be paid for in blood. Abraham did this job did this the Jewish culture are centered around this. Jesus death and resurrection changed all that.

Lukuluku69:


Remission of sin via/thru the blood of anything be it humans or animal is an abomination to God Almighty. God doesn't need the blood or gore of anything to forgive. If He can't forgive after sincere repentance and penitence then "He" ceases to be God.

Killing Goats and what have you to appease God is simply the Handiwork of corrupt priests and priesthood. They gain from it back then the same way the Pastors are gaining now from twisting of the Scriptures.

And talking about the "Death and Resurrection" of Jesus, bros that was Paul's idea from day one. The Disciples of Jesus never taught that neither was their Master asked them to.

Paul was the one who went to Town with: the Sonship of Jesus, the redeeming power of Jesus blood and many other fabled doctrines that Christianity is hinged on.

And clearly he said he (Paul) was a LIAR who lied to abound God's glory.

Lawag3:


You underestimate sin. The Bible says the wages of sin is death. Either you die or someone takes your place. Jesus took our place. We just have to repent and leave your sins.

It's like in a law court when you commit a crime let say like murder, you could regret your crime you might be genuinely sorry you did what you did but is it enough in a human court of law . Nope justice must prevail. God is very just but he is also merciful he came up with substitution. It was first done with animal blood. Till Jesus came and shared his blood for the forgiveness of sins he died our death faced our punishment. So we could be free.

Imagine Paul who was a killer of christians was beheaded defending Christianity. Anything Paul said Jesus already said. Jesus during the last supper told the disciples to drink wine which he called his blood shared fro the redemption of sins. Jesus also talked about his death and resurrection he said he'll die and resurrect after three days. So Paul is not wrong. The bible isn't wrong. At least Mohammed knew that.

Lawag3:


You underestimate sin. The Bible says the wages of sin is death. Either you die or someone takes your place. Jesus took our place. We just have to repent and leave your sins.

It's like in a law court when you commit a crime let say like murder, you could regret your crime you might be genuinely sorry you did what you did but is it enough in a human court of law . Nope justice must prevail. God is very just but he is also merciful he came up with substitution. It was first done with animal blood. Till Jesus came and shared his blood for the forgiveness of sins he died our death faced our punishment. So we could be free.

Imagine Paul who was a killer of christians was beheaded defending Christianity. Anything Paul said Jesus already said. Jesus during the last supper told the disciples to drink wine which he called his blood shared fro the redemption of sins. Jesus also talked about his death and resurrection he said he'll die and resurrect after three days. So Paul is not wrong. The bible isn't wrong. At least Mohammed knew that.

Lukuluku69:


Of course Sin and it's implications are Grievous. No doubt about that but forgiveness for such doesn't lie in the Blood of anything be it human or animal.

That is the parti g of ways between you and I . You belief God won't forgive until and unless you acknowledge a vicarious atonement while I say, I seek forgiveness and God forgives.

If you are talking about Adam and Eve Transgression in the Garden, their transgression and it's implication is on them and them only. The Bible says the Sins of the Father is on him and not the son, it is who that sins that carries the burden. In Islam, Adam and Eve were forgiven as such the tales of Adam stain is never on me.

As for Paul, he is a Liar. He admitted as much with his own tongue. He was never a disciple, never met Jesus, never appeal to his words, went against all known commands and established precepts in the Bible, he declar an abomination, taught that all meats is pure, was the one who went to town about a Resurrection, about a Son of God and many other abominable teachings that is against what Jesus himself taught. I can show all of this from Paul's own writings in the New Testament.

Of cos the Bible is never wrong but the funny thing is, if I bring up a passage from the Bible to buttress my points, to counter me/it, Christians always quote Paul!

Can you see? I quote Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezra but a Christian will quote Paul's words to counter it!

You see all those references of a blood sacrifice imputed to Jesus? Prophecy after events! Jesus never said all those stuff but were rather added to corroborate Paul's fancy ideas.

Lukuluku69:



Isaiah 66:1-4 (KJV) Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

Lawag3:


I don't know what you are trying to bring up with this verse so I'll just explain it

Chapter 66 begins with a condemnation of false worship, a familiar refrain in Third Isaiah and in other Prophetic works, and ends with a pronouncement of God’s revenge on the disobedient. In the opening verses of the chapter, the author warns the Israelites not to make an idol of the Temple that they are beginning to rebuild. “Heaven is my throne and the earth is my footstool” (verse 1), God intones; nothing built by human hands could possibly contain the God of all things.

But there are those among the people who forget that all things are made by the hands of God, and whose worship thereby lacks humility and reverence. God’s desire is not for a temple that ultimately only glorifies human activity, but for “humble and contrite” spirits that “tremble” at God’s word (verse 2). God’s condemnation upon those who disobey, in verses 15-16, is also a familiar prophetic refrain. By fire and by sword, the Lord will come “to pay back his anger in fury, and his rebuke in flames of fire” (verse 15). The rotting bodies of those on whom God brings judgment will forever remain as a warning against rebellion (verse 24).

In the midst of this narrative of divine condemnation and retribution, we find surprising moments of maternal imagery. Beginning in verse 7, the writer, using language of labor and delivery, assures the people that the promised renewal of Israel will indeed come to fruition. The people’s sufferings, the labor pains of rebirth, will be short-lived: the glorious rebirth of Jerusalem is imminent.

“Shall a land be born in one day? Shall a nation be delivered in one moment? Yet as soon as Zion was in labor she delivered her children” (verse . The pain of labor will immediately, miraculously, be surpassed by the joy of God’s delivery of Israel. While the people’s suffering feels as desperate as that of a pregnant woman who cannot give birth (29:18), God will not “open the womb and not deliver” (66:9); God’s imminent delivery of Israel is assured.

The lectionary text’s (verses 10-14) emphasis on joy and comfort extends the maternal motif even further. Four times in verses 10 the people are enjoined to “rejoice” and “be glad,” to replace their mourning over Jerusalem’s destruction with joy at her renewal. Jerusalem is portrayed as a mother, whose “consoling breast” will nurture and feed her children, and they will “drink deeply with delight” (verses 10 and 11). Jerusalem is an affectionate mother, nursing her people, carrying them on her arm, and dandling them on her knee (verse 12). The milk of affection and nourishment mingles with the “overflowing stream” (verse 12) of prosperity; with Mother Jerusalem’s nurturance, the wealth of all the nations will flow to the people. The people are awash in love and delight.

The word “comfort” appears three times in verse 13, and it is here that the application of the maternal metaphor switches from Jerusalem to God: “As a mother comforts her child, so I will comfort you” (verse 13). The comfort that Mother God provides for her people is the comfort of home; restoring the people to the place they belong, rebuilding their ruins, and washing them in riches and security (see also 49:13, 51:13, 52:9, and 54:11). Under God’s nurturing care, the very bodies and spirits of God’s peoplereceive restoration (verse 14).

Read the whole thing for understanding 😁

Lawag3:


The wages of sin is death. It's in the bible. You are right forgiveness doesn't lie in the blood of anything it is justice God could forgive you but you will still need to pay the price that price takes away your sins . Jesus says no man comes to the father except through me. A person needs to accept Jesus as his savior to gain salvation.

Where did Paul lie? Where did he say Circumcision is an abomination. All of Jesus disciples talked about his resurrection before Paul became a Christian that is the core beliefs of Christianity

So all the disciples were lying Paul was not at the last supper. It was like John and Matthew that wrote that .

Bring all your accusations against Paul let's see them.

Lawag3:


You wanted to make it seem as of Jesus Christ was a traditional Jew. They tolerate christians emore than Moslems

AntiChristian:


Another diversion!
Why will the majority of Israelites reject Jesus's Christianity?

That's because Jesus didn't start Christianity! Someone else started it on his behalf.

Lukuluku69:


Thanks for your exposition man! But it is slightly off the mark!

Jehovah said He doesn't need Sacrifices of any sorts.

Lukuluku69:


Sir, there no price to pay again once God forgives. You are free. If you owe me money and I said don't bother with repayment again. The you are free. You owe me nothing again.

Anywhere you see in the New Testament you see Son of God, Resurrection, Death in reference to Jesus, it was a latter day Teaching alien to what the Disciples Taught. They were added much more later when Pauline version of Christianity won thru. That is why you hear stories of "Different Gospels" just a little over 30 years after the mission of Jesus ended. Everyone and anyone went to Town with their own version of his story but funny enough, Christians and Christianity believed more in what someone who never a Disciple wrote than what the Disciples wrote.

Like you rightly said, the Pillars that holds your faith in place was built by someone who never saw Jesus. Paul never quotes Jesus and when he does (Twice) the Four Gospels have no equivalent to that quotes!

What does that tells you?

As for Paul's abominable commands, there are dozens of them. I will drop one for you to think over.

Do you remember that the Disciples won't eat with Gentiles? And it was Paul who rebuked Peter about it? Now, think for a moment why would Peter and the other Disciples refused to eat with Gentiles nor go out and preach to them but a certain self appointed disciple rebuked them for it?

The simple answer is this: Jesus told them not to enter any Gentiles home nor preach to any but to Lost of Israel. This they were faithful to until Paul came with his "Apsotle to the agentiles" Lamba.

Lawag3:


I didn't see any verse about God saying he doesn't need sacrifices. That wasn't what the verse was talking about God was saying he prefer a man with a contrite heart to people who offer sacrifices.

Lawag3:


Jesus was a good person right?

Christianity itself is empty with out Jesus. So a Christian without Jesus is just a Christian by name.

AntiChristian:
I didn't call him a bad person!

After Jesus ascension. His followers imitated his way of living and teachings so there were called Christians which means Christlike. Nobody started Christianity. So can you mention the names of those who called Jesus's disciples Christians?

Christianity itself is empty with out Jesus. So a Christian without Jesus is just a Christian by name.

Why will the majority of Israelites reject Jesus's Christianity?

Lukuluku69:


And a man with a Contrite Heart is who to you?

A man with a contrite heart is one who has God Consciousness. That man keeps God's Law and commandments. He honors God and does God's biddings. He offers practical service to to fellow beings. Everything God says keep away from, he keep away and everything God enjoins, he does hoping for a Reward from His God with a goodly life here and even a better reward in the Life to come.

Do that and God will admit you to His Eternal Mercy. That is Salvation.

In addition, a Man with a Contrite Heart need no Sacrifices, no oblations nor the need of any redeeming blood of anyone. God Himself He will look to that man! Just as he did Abraham!

Lawag3:


It was the people of Antioch that firsts called christians Christians

Islam says Jesus was a good man he didn't call himself God right? The Jews say Jesus was bad he called himself God. The christians say Jesus is good and he was God.

Lawag3:


You underestimate sin. I used the law court analogy for you. God is just and for sin to be blotted out the penalty for sin must be paid.


600 hundred years later during the time of Mohammed the bible was accepted as the word of God the injil. There is no different stories of the gospel everyone told the same story from a different perspective take the book of John and mark for example. John of all the disciples was closest to Jesus when he wrote he wrote with great detail when the book of mark told us Jesus shouted with a loud voice and died John told us what Jesus said exactly when he shouted before he died mark told us of people being with Jesus when he died John went ahead and called the name of the people with Jesus. There is no gospel in the bible that says Jesus said something or did something and another gospel that says Jesus did not do all this things non what so ever. The bible was compiled about 65 years after the death of Jesus the Quran was compiled about 350 years after Mohammed was edited by a goat who ate some pages off . And you question how authentic the bible is that's an irony. They believe him because Paul was on his way to kill the christians in Damascus just like the way he killed the ones in Jerusalem. Everybody knew about it. on his way had a vision remember he had two people with him who said they heard a voice but did not see who was speaking. Paul said he saw Jesus and he said Jesus spoke to him. Paul became blind from the vision and he said Jesus told him to go to a certain street to meet a Christian called Ananias who was the christian leader in Damascus before that Jesus has already spoken with Ananias telling him not to worry about Paul ( his name wasn't Paul at first he changed his name from Saul to Paul after he converted ). Ananias healed Paul. Paul then testified the christians in Damascus were surprised because they knew Paul and what he has done before so they gave thanks to God . Paul went back to Jerusalem where he joined the christians some wanted to kill him but Ananias stopped them.

Anything Paul did Jesus has already done it
The pharisees asked Jesus why he was always among bad people he told them that only sick people need a doctor and it was those people he was sent to.

Jesus never told the disciples not to enter the house of the gentiles. He said himself was sent to the lost of Israel not the disciples. He told them to preach the gospel to the ends of the earth. Bring me a verse of the bible that Jesus said to the disciples do not preach to the gentiles just the Jews and I will convert to Islam. The disciples did not want to eat with the gentiles because they thought they were superior to them. Paul only told them that they were all equal before God Jew or gentile I see nothing abominable about that.

Before Paul the disciples had already preached to gentiles at the pentecost they even spoke gentile languages. Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch even peter preached to Cornelius. So the disciples only did not want to eat with the gentiles. They had no problem preaching to them.

Which other quotes of Paul do you have a problem with.