jedisco:


Any government official that believes this should not be in a position of planning

I have not come across a Brit that would pay 15k, Visa + IHS fee and separate from family all cos of a masters degree. They'd consider it ridiculous. How then does the UK expect a low income Nigeria to churn out such cash to stuff their coffers?

Returning to contribute is one of the hypocritical statements branded around. They could stay back and contribute to the UK economy. For the Nigerian labour market, a UK masters is not worth any more that masters from elsewhere. Many times not worth the paper it was issued on.

Over 95% of folks coming for masters see it as a means to emigrate legally. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Just like with being part of the EU, the UK economy gains much more from international students than it gives.

That you haven’t come across one does not make it a fact! I know a British citizen that got a partial scholarship to study (first degree) in America. His family had to make a substantial contribution (more than that your £15k) towards his studies in the USA. Having now graduated since last year, he has been looking for a means to change his visa to work permit. Visa eventually ran out but due to being a BC, he was able to switch to an ESTA to prolong his stay in the USA temporarily. Bloke still hasn’t been able to get a sponsored job in the US. He’s now contemplating coming back home to get a job in Scotland or enrolling for a masters so he can continue to live the dream in America.

Apart from Canada and Australia. I doubt if there are any other countries that allow students a clear path to naturalization or bring their entire village as dependants. It’s their country and their rules and if we don’t like it, we can very well stay back in Nigeria. This attitude of entitlement is getting a bit old and silly now.

Let the sht hit the fan 🤷🏽‍♀️

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That you haven’t come across one does not make it a fact! I know a British citizen that got a partial scholarship to study (first degree) in America. His family had to make a substantial contribution (more than that your £15k) towards his studies in the USA. Having now graduated since last year, he has been looking for a means to change his visa to work permit. Visa eventually ran out but due to being a BC, he was able to switch to an ESTA to prolong his stay in the USA temporarily. Bloke still hasn’t been able to get a sponsored job in the US. He’s now contemplating coming back home to get a job in Scotland or enrolling for a masters so he can continue to live the dream in America.

Apart from Canada and Australia. I doubt if there are any other countries that allow students a clear path to naturalization or bring their entire village as dependants. It’s their country and their rules and if we don’t like it, we can very well stay back in Nigeria. This attitude of entitlement is getting a bit old and silly now.

Let the sht hit the fan 🤷🏽‍♀️


To me I don't think people are angry with UK bringing up the new law but the way they're crying foul and playing victim card is uncalled for...These people are not coming in through illegal means,you collecting school fees,Ihs,Visa fee and you granted them Visa...why did you granted them Visa and not scrutinized there application but complaining after when you collected their money and allow them in.

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It’s a case of damned if they do! Damned if they don’t!

There’s no way the government policies can favour everyone. Some minority group will always feel marginalised - this time around it’s the international students that feel victimised. Tomorrow it will be another section of the society. Rishi Sunak is on the telly right now justifying the decision. Is he right? Yes. Is it fair? No but it’s what it is.

jedisco:


Any government official that believes this should not be in a position of planning

I have not come across a Brit that would pay 15k, Visa + IHS fee and separate from family all cos of a masters degree. They'd consider it ridiculous. How then does the UK expect a low income Nigeria to churn out such cash to stuff their coffers?

Returning to contribute is one of the hypocritical statements branded around. They could stay back and contribute to the UK economy. For the Nigerian labour market, a UK masters is not worth any more that masters from elsewhere. Many times not worth the paper it was issued on.

Over 95% of folks coming for masters see it as a means to emigrate legally. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Just like with being part of the EU, the UK economy gains much more from international students than it gives.

The government's view and policy has always been that international students are only here for a short time and then return home. It is the choice of the student to pay £15k to acquire a post graduate degree (undergrad students pay significantly more), which does not consequently mandate permanent settlement.

Obviously they are now realising that the intentions of postgrad students have changed, largely due to the increase in students from Asia and Africa who would rather remain in the UK than go home, which is why the govt is looking at ways to tighten the rules.

See below statement from Jenrick, immigration minister, made in the house of commons this week:

We have seen, historically, that the vast majority of students leave the country and go back to their home country to continue their careers and lives.
It is possible that the system that has evolved since 2019 will see different trends. In 2020, only 7,400 non-EU students stayed on post study and those numbers may be dramatically higher in the years ahead. It may be that the mix of individuals, the countries they come from - if these individuals come to the UK to study and then spend a period of time here on the graduate route, and certainly if they bring dependants, that we will start to see a significant increase in the number of people staying here, making a life in the UK and not returning home, in which case policies of this kind will become more important.

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Peerielass:


Apart from Canada and Australia. I doubt if there are any other countries that allow students a clear path to naturalization or bring their entire village as dependants. It’s their country and their rules and if we don’t like it, we can very well stay back in Nigeria. This attitude of entitlement is getting a bit old and silly now.

Let the sht hit the fan 🤷🏽‍♀️

I agree - it's the entitlement that I've been trying to address. The UK doesn't owe a student the right to stay on indefinitely because they made the free choice to come to Britain to study for their post graduate degree.

What about international undergraduates who spend a lot more time and money here? Shouldn't they be first in line? But they do not even have a PSW equivalent to enable them remain/work after their degree and they have never had the ability to bring in dependents.

Minimum is a bachelor’s degree to be eligible for PSW. The exception for undergraduates who can bring in dependents are those fully sponsored by the government.

Zahra29:


I agree - it's the entitlement that I've been trying to address. The UK doesn't owe a student the right to stay on indefinitely because they made the free choice to come to Britain to study for their post graduate degree.

What about international undergraduates who spend a lot more time and money here? Shouldn't they be first in line? But they do not even have a PSW equivalent to enable them remain/work after their degree and they have never had the ability to bring in dependents.

Zahra29:


The government's view and policy is that international students are only here for a short time and then return home. It is the choice of the student to pay £15k to acquire a post graduate degree (undergrad students pay significantly more), which does not consequently mandate permanent settlement.

Obviously they are now realising that the intentions of postgrad students have changed, largely due to the increase in students from Asia and Africa who would rather remain in the UK than go home, which is why the govt is looking at ways to tighten the rules.

See below statement from Jenrick, immigration minister, made in the house of commons this week:

We have seen, historically, that the vast majority of students leave the country and go back to their home country to continue their careers and lives.
It is possible that the system that has evolved since 2019 will see different trends. In 2020, only 7,400 non-EU students stayed on post study and those numbers may be dramatically higher in the years ahead. It may be that the mix of individuals, the countries they come from - if these individuals come to the UK to study and then spend a period of time here on the graduate route, and certainly if they bring dependants, that we will start to see a significant increase in the number of people staying here, making a life in the UK and not returning home, in which case policies of this kind will become more important.

I wish we could leave this topic and move on.

BUT

The more I try to understand this way they are presenting this, the less sense it actually makes.

The narrative that "students are staying back" is very weird. They're not staying back illegally, they're applying for new Visas and are being granted! Doesn't the Government have a quota of visas to be issued per year?

These students are converting to Tier-2 so are they saying that if the students went back home, those Tier-2 slots won't have been filled up A Skilled Worker is a skilled worker, whether they came in initially as students or came as employees.

The PSW is the Government that grants it and they charge each human about £2k for it. You keep saying that the IHS doesn't cover the expenses for things like childbirth. I tell you that for each dependant that does a medical procedure like childbirth, there are 20 others who don't even ever use the NHS so the IHS is still a cash-out. Have you ever sat down to multiply the number of IHS earned through Visas granted and compare it with the total NHS budget, you will be shocked!!!

Even outside the IHS, the Dependents work hard and pay taxes that is used to fund the NHS so the whole "these dependents are using up the health resources" doesn't make sense. Same with education, housing, etc. The money earned from Taxes, Visa fees, IHS should be used to provide resources for legal visa holders.

Zahra29:


I agree - it's the entitlement that I've been trying to address. The UK doesn't owe a student the right to stay on indefinitely because they made the free choice to come to Britain to study for their post graduate degree.

What about international undergraduates who spend a lot more time and money here? Shouldn't they be first in line? But they do not even have a PSW equivalent to enable them remain/work after their degree and they have never had the ability to bring in dependents.

And again, no student plans to stay indefinitely... That would be illegal. They become skilled workers or go home after their PSW, so I struggle to see what entitlement or why people are crying foul like the students are sneaking in or remaining illegally.

Progressivegee:



I cannot agree with you more. The Brits concern is borne out of fear of bring overwhelmed by intellectuals from the immigrant community. Imagine a masters class of over 300 students and none are Brits. These students graduate and enter the economy. They may start small but will climb the career ladder far higher than the average brit whose highest education level is a diploma or technical certificate.

How many brits can afford to pay such high school fees? Even with the subsidised education and access to student loans, they still feel less motivated to further their education.

The bolded is very likely your own personal experience which doesn't reflect the full picture or reality.

International students currently account for roughly 18% of universities' income- (up from 5% a few years ago, but still not the main source of universities' income ).

The majority of British youth do attend university(or a degree equivalent scheme or apprenticeship) - but many might be aiming for higher ranked institutions such as Kings College, Imperial, LSE and so on, or seeking universities in specific locations in order to fully enjoy their uni experience. These factors are not usually high on the list of many mature international students, who typically seek out cost effective institutions with a large population of their own people, - so it is very likely that the two paths do not mix much.

This narrative that most Brits are uneducated and unskilled is not helpful or accurate. The vast majority of skilled and leadership positions are occupied by Brits. There might be a shortage in some industries like Engineering due to the historical relative unpopularity of STEM courses, but it is mainly the roles that are viewed as low skilled and/or low paid that Brits do not want to do.

Zahra29:


The bolded is very likely your own personal experience which doesn't reflect the full picture or reality.

International students currently account for roughly 18% of universities' income- (up from 5% a few years ago, but still not the main source of universities' income ).

The majority of British youth do attend university(or a degree equivalent scheme or apprenticeship) - but many might be aiming for higher ranked institutions such as Kings College, Imperial, LSE and so on, or seeking universities in specific locations in order to fully enjoy their uni experience. These factors are not usually high on the list of many mature international students, who typically seek out cost effective institutions with a large population of their own people, - so it is very likely that the two paths do not mix much.

This narrative that most Brits are uneducated and unskilled is not helpful or accurate. The vast majority of skilled and leadership positions are occupied by Brits. There might be a shortage in some industries like Engineering due to the historical relative unpopularity of STEM courses, but it is mainly the roles that are viewed as low skilled and/or low paid that Brits do not want to do.

I'm with you on this. That's just a sentimental opinion we keep pushing which isn't entirely true

Bourne007:
Minimum is a bachelor’s degree to be eligible for PSW. The exception for undergraduates who can bring in dependents are those fully sponsored by the government.

You're right, I was conflating dependents and PSW for undergraduates. Thanks for the correction ☺️

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Solumtoya:


And again, no student plans to stay indefinitely... That would be illegal. They become skilled workers or go home after their PSW, so I struggle to see what entitlement or why people are crying foul like the students are sneaking in or remaining illegally.

My brother. I tire.
You see the individuals (on this thread) that are pushing the narrative which appear to portray international students as leeches and beneficiaries of the system.
Ask them their opinion on young, able-bodied Men who get on small boats and arrive through the English channel. They are likely going to tell you the UK is treating those ones unfairly by putting them in hotels (up to £7,000,000 per day). They are likely going to tell you the Rwanda plan is unfair.

Zahra29:


The government's view and policy has always been that international students are only here for a short time and then return home. It is the choice of the student to pay £15k to acquire a post graduate degree (undergrad students pay significantly more), which does not consequently mandate permanent settlement.

Obviously they are now realising that the intentions of postgrad students have changed, largely due to the increase in students from Asia and Africa who would rather remain in the UK than go home, which is why the govt is looking at ways to tighten the rules.

See below statement from Jenrick, immigration minister, made in the house of commons this week:

We have seen, historically, that the vast majority of students leave the country and go back to their home country to continue their careers and lives.
It is possible that the system that has evolved since 2019 will see different trends. In 2020, only 7,400 non-EU students stayed on post study and those numbers may be dramatically higher in the years ahead. It may be that the mix of individuals, the countries they come from - if these individuals come to the UK to study and then spend a period of time here on the graduate route, and certainly if they bring dependants, that we will start to see a significant increase in the number of people staying here, making a life in the UK and not returning home, in which case policies of this kind will become more important.

Its all nonsense like i said before, let me make this clear just in case anybody misunderstood my stand on this..

I'm not against any govt controlling immigration and making sure that the system is not abused. That said... These politicians are worst than people smugglers, no shame, just about the money.

These Nigerians who are on the news for all wrong reasons did not commit any crime, they followed law to the end. They paid for every resource they are using.

Last year the UK govt allowed 163,500 Ukraines to move to the UK and provided accommodation and jobs for them all paid for by tax payers.

In 2021 they allowed 21,387 people from Afghanistan to move here to settle all paid for by tax payer

Ukraines and Afghans did not pay a penny into the system but Nigerians who paid their way here are being humanised .

They should change the immigration law quietly without blaming Nigerians for their incompetence and greediness

Zahra29:


This narrative that most Brits are uneducated and unskilled is not helpful or accurate. The vast majority of skilled and leadership positions are occupied by Brits. There might be a shortage in some industries like Engineering due to the historical relative unpopularity of STEM courses, but it is mainly the roles that are viewed as low skilled and/or low paid that Brits do not want to do.

Sorry to digress but this reminded me of the argument in Part 2 of this thread about cost of living in London and Middlesbrough where I pointed out the person will be better off in Middlesbrough by the time they factor in school fees, high mortgage costs etc @Solumtoya commented to say schooling was free in London. I decided not to continue that discussion because it wasn’t worth my time. More than 22% of London pupils attend fee paying secondary schools and an average of 25% across the entire country yet we constantly paint all British people as poor and uneducated on this thread.

justwise:


Its all nonsense like i said before, let me make this clear just in case anybody misunderstood my stand on this..

I'm not against any govt controlling immigration and making sure that the system is not abused. That said... These politicians are worst than people smugglers, no shame, just about the money.

These Nigerians who are on the news for all wrong reasons did not commit any crime, they followed law to the end. They paid for every resource they are using.

Last year the UK govt allowed 163,500 Ukraines to move to the UK and provided accommodation and jobs for them all paid for by tax payers.

In 2021 they allowed 21,387 people from Afghanistan to move here to settle all paid for by tax payer

Ukraines and Afghans did not pay a penny into the system but Nigerians who paid their way here are being humanised .

They should change the immigration law quietly without blaming Nigerians for their incompetence and greediness

Racist undertones?

A majorly white country would be more amenable to fellow white/Arab immigrants than black ones from Africa.

We shouldn't rule this out.

Peerielass:


Sorry to digress but this reminded me of the argument in Part 2 of this thread about cost of living in London and Middlesbrough where I pointed out the person will be better off in Middlesbrough by the time they factor in school fees, high mortgage costs etc @Solumtoya commented to say schooling was free in London. I decided not to continue that discussion because it wasn’t worth my time. More than 22% of London pupils attend fee paying secondary schools and an average of 25% across the entire country yet we constantly paint all British people as poor and uneducated on this thread.

Schooling, and Healthcare is free in London and every part of UK till Tertiary. People pay for private services in London and every part of the UK so don't bring that Middlesbrough argument o I know people who pay for private education in remote parts of Wales. Londoners do it because they can not because they have to.

As for Mortgage costs, houses appreciate more in London than Middlesbrough. I know folks who bought "expensive" properties worth about 450k some years back, now they are getting offers of almost £1m. So don't pity such Londoners, as long as they bought right, they will be fine, my dear.

Meanwhile, I need to visit this Middlesbrough

One point people seem to be missing in all this international student discussion is that regardless of your status today, so long you came in with a visa, you are not different from the international students the government and its fans are portraying as opportunists and leeches.

If you came via a family visa, you must have switched your status from dependent of ILR holder or British citizen before you have your permanent residence, and maybe to citizenship later.

If you came on a work visa, you must have done the same.

If you came as a refugee, you must have claimed asylum and then have your application granted before you had your stay.

So, does that make you entitled, leeches, a burden to the system, an opportunist?

The same thing most settled migrants in the UK did is what international students are doing today.

They came with a student visa, applied for PSW and were granted because the govt deemed them qualified, and if they feel like switching to a Skilled Worker visa thereafter, and then to ILR much after, it is still all the same process followed by every migrant today.

So, it is unfair making it look like they are migrating through the backdoor. The only people who might deserve to be vilified are those staying illegally.

So, where is this narrative of "they are trying to stay indefinitely comes from"?

I agree that the government has to do what they think is the best for their country, but they can do it without stigmatizing those who committed absolutely no offence.

Solumtoya:


I wish we could leave this topic and move on.

BUT

The more I try to understand this way they are presenting this, the less sense it actually makes.

The narrative that "students are staying back" is very weird. They're not staying back illegally, they're applying for new Visas and are being granted! Doesn't the Government have a quota of visas to be issued per year?

These students are converting to Tier-2 so are they saying that if the students went back home, those Tier-2 slots won't have been filled up A Skilled Worker is a skilled worker, whether they came in initially as students or came as employees.

The PSW is the Government that grants it and they charge each human about £2k for it. You keep saying that the IHS doesn't cover the expenses for things like childbirth. I tell you that for each dependant that does a medical procedure like childbirth, there are 20 others who don't even ever use the NHS so the IHS is still a cash-out. Have you ever sat down to multiply the number of IHS earned through Visas granted and compare it with the total NHS budget, you will be shocked!!!

Even outside the IHS, the Dependents work hard and pay taxes that is used to fund the NHS so the whole "these dependents are using up the health resources" doesn't make sense. Same with education, housing, etc. The money earned from Taxes, Visa fees, IHS should be used to provide resources for legal visa holders.

Lol me too, I'm getting tired 😂

But to some of your points - yes students are staying back if they switch visas. Legally yes, which isn't an issue, but ultimately not returning home eventually as the gov expected. The key question is what happens to those who fail to secure sponsorship? How many will voluntarily return home, or will some even claim asylum if they have no other means or valid route to remain

IHS is like an insurance premium. You pay for your insurance but sometimes don't (/ hope not to) use it. But it's still a valid cost. And for those who do need to claim insurance or use the NHS, the benefits far outweigh the premium that was paid. A private GP appointment costs around £200 a pop , so imagine you had to pay privately for the simplest NHS encounter for you or your children - (which you have to admit that 99% of immigrants would have to use at some point) - then the IHS is still a bargain.

Not all dependents work or pay tax:

Students who come in with child dependents only? We've seen many posts here of single mothers coming in with their children or where the father works in Naij and visits his family here. In such situations, the student/ household isn't paying any tax.

There was a post where a student was looking to bring in his wife and 3or 4 children, one of them a new born. Questions were asked of his ability to care for these dependents as his wife had just given birth and presumably would not be able to work in the short or medium term. So here again, about 4 or 5 dependents needing public services and likely no tax being paid by the household.

In addition, some dependents may work, but may not earn enough, and may pay little or no income tax.

Solumtoya:


Schooling, and Healthcare is free in London and every part of UK till Tertiary. People pay for private services in London and every part of the UK so don't bring that Middlesbrough argument o I know people who pay for private education in remote parts of Wales. Londoners do it because they can not because they have to.

As for Mortgage costs, houses appreciate more in London than Middlesbrough. I know folks who bought "expensive" properties worth about 450k some years back, now they are getting offers of almost £1m. So don't pity such Londoners, as long as they bought right, they will be fine, my dear.

Meanwhile, I need to visit this Middlesbrough

😂🤣😂 in the same way that you’ve argued that schooling is free but people choose to go private. The brits can also argue that immigrants should stay in their country 😜, you don’t need to come to the UK. You can very well stay in your country. Nobody forced us to come here to study. We chose to come here out of our own volition and if the government changes the goal post halfway through the match, then we should just chin up and move👍

Peerielass:


Sorry to digress but this reminded me of the argument in Part 2 of this thread about cost of living in London and Middlesbrough where I pointed out the person will be better off in Middlesbrough by the time they factor in school fees, high mortgage costs etc @Solumtoya commented to say schooling was free in London. I decided not to continue that discussion because it wasn’t worth my time. More than 22% of London pupils attend fee paying secondary schools and an average of 25% across the entire country yet we constantly paint all British people as poor and uneducated on this thread.

Agreed...
That is why I try to present an alternative view (at the risk of being unpopular 🙈), there is sometimes a lot of misinformation and narrow opinions on this thread.

Zahra29:


Lol me too, I'm getting tired 😂

I am tired jor. Was good conversation though. Everybody will be alright las las

Zahra29:


the immigration surcharge is a nominal amount that does not cover the cost of use for those who access the health service. Ask international patients how much they paid to give birth on the NHS for example (upwards of £5k), and contrast the overall cost paid by an international student or dependent to give birth here and you'll see that the surcharge is heavily subsidised.

Funding for some nursery places which many tax paying British residents cannot access, is provided to international students on lower household incomes because priority is given to the welfare of the child, even though not British. This may be free for the recipient but it is paid for by the tax payer and not the university.

Seriously, I am tempted to follow in the footsteps of the person who wanted to know the route Zahra29 arrived the UK on. Zahra29's lived experience appears to be that of someone in a bubble. The IHS is 'a nominal fee compared to the service that international students and dependants get' really? It appears Zahra29 doesn't (yet) undertand that dependants who work full time do pay something called NI contribution (tax), part of which is used to fund the NHS.... (Double taxation).

Now look at the Bolded, it would appear Zahra29 havent heard of something called NRPF before. Zahra29 is suggesting that the children of international students are priotised for free Nursery places? (Well, I live in England, and I Know for a fact that that is untrue. Maybe Zahra9 is in Wales or Scotland or Northern Ireland) .Is there anything further from the fact/truth than that? When a 2 year-old child of not just a student, but even tier-2 visa holders cannot get 30 hours per week nursery.

Ayam tayad.

justwise:


Its all nonsense like i said before, let me make this clear just in case anybody misunderstood my stand on this..

I'm not against any govt controlling immigration and making sure that the system is not abused. That said... These politicians are worst than people smugglers, no shame, just about the money.

These Nigerians who are on the news for all wrong reasons did not commit any crime, they followed law to the end. They paid for every resource they are using.

Last year the UK govt allowed 163,500 Ukraines to move to the UK and provided accommodation and jobs for them all paid for by tax payers.

In 2021 they allowed 21,387 people from Afghanistan to move here to settle all paid for by tax payer

Ukraines and Afghans did not pay a penny into the system but Nigerians who paid their way here are being humanised .

They should change the immigration law quietly without blaming Nigerians for their incompetence and greediness

This sums it all!

LionInZion:
One point people seem to be missing in all this international student discussion is that regardless of your status today, so long you came in with a visa, you are not different from the international students the government and its fans are portraying as opportunists and leeches.

Again, no one is castigating international students. The government has gone to great lengths to highlight the positive contribution students make to the country.

It was the unsustainable number of dependents that became an issue (which most universities admitted to)

Peerielass:


😂🤣😂 in the same way that you’ve argued that schooling is free but people choose to go private. The brits can also argue that immigrants should stay in their country 😜, you don’t need to come to the UK. You can very well stay in your country. Nobody forced us to come here to study. We chose to come here out of our own volition and if the government changes the goal post halfway through the match, then we should just chin up and move👍

You missed the point we were trying to make but I don taya to argue

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Now look at the Bolded, it would appear Zahra29 havent heard of something called NRPF before. Zahra29 is suggesting that the children of international students are priotised for free Nursery places? (Well, I live in England, and I Know for a fact that that is untrue. Maybe Zahra9 is in Wales or Scotland or Northern Ireland) .Is there anything further from the fact/truth than that? When a 2 year-old child of not just a student, but even tier-2 visa holders cannot get 30 hours per week nursery.

Ayam tayad.

I am also tayad

I didn't say they were prioritised for free places. I said that priority is given to the welfare of every child

it was via this thread that I discovered that student or tier 2 households with a household income below a certain amount could apply to their council for access to nursery funding despite NRPF. There were several posts advising/encouraging this, (I'm too tired to look for them)

Lol, I'm not in NI - I live in South East England

Solumtoya:


I am tired jor. Was good conversation though. Everybody will be alright las las

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ABEG LETS LEAVE THIS MATTER.

Ehen.

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I can’t seem to find the post.

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