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Nauttyprof:
@OP you are a worse and terrible Christian judging from your post and you are not any different from the pastor. Check your post and tell me how different are you from the pastor.

This is the big problem we have in Christendom. When the matter favours us, it is good but when it is against us, it is bad and we begin to do just as exactly as what we preach against.

If the message by the pastor was hurting, why not look inward also and see how to address some issues raised in the message. Not that the Pastor was also justified to have used the word 'hate' but the white garment churches should also look inward to address some of the issues. Yes, there are many good white garment churches but it does not in anyway mean that the bad ones are not tarnishing the image of these churches.

The OP was even bent on listing fraud and yahoo nonsense in Pentecostal churches without even thinking twice that many of these yahoo guys visit these white garment churches for more scam business. Don't you see them use the local sponges and white soaps given to them by the white garment church? Are you also saying no fraudsters in the white garment churches too?

No Church is a saint and the white garment churches are not any better too. Now, they are acting the victim but it is a general knowledge that the white garment churches see themselves as the only true church recognized by God and even go to the extent of calling other 'Amen' church. Let the OP dispute this with me. Is this not also discrimination from white garment churches? Their prophets or prophetesses will hiss at the mention of pentecostal church or any other church at that. With acts like they are the last boat and the true boat to heaven. Please, dispute this if I am wrong. We want the unification of the body of Christ and yet we are not practicing what we want.

Till we begin to focus on the Bible and get it right all churches will operate the way they like.

White garment churches are not any better. The other churches are not also exempted from this mess in the name of spirituality.

Unification as desired is what everyone wants but when pastors with some appreciable level of followership use their platform to insult a church that was his foundation, how then can unity be achieved?

Didijiji:
If it’s by what you saw then you have a true story

Anyway, the Bible already told us to remove the log of wood in our own eyes before pointing at the one in the eyes of our neighbour. Let anyone that think he stands take heed...

gotnel:
We are really in end time.
Pentecostal Churches in Nigeria are merely business empires.
I can proof this with much evidence .
Looking around with all sense, you will know that Pentecostal Churches are more of business than worship.
They are just trading on the name of Jesus Christ and gospel.

That is why the signatories to church accounts are them and their family members most time! They hand over very liquid branches to sons or wife to manage. God will help us. This is not hate on Pentecostal church les but to let them understand that the era of feeling superior and insulting white garment churches is over

FxMasterz:
I can see that you're already deep in white garment practices. You're probably a strong leader there. Nothing I tell you would move you because your belief in the things you do is deeply entrenched.

Now, let me answer your Questions.

Hmmm .... interesting. Pretty good response to the points raised but why avoid the one on speaking in tongues? That I was looking forward to ... especially to see if it will be keeping the same line of reasoning as response #1.

Didijiji:
Unification as desired is what everyone wants but when pastors with some appreciable level of followership use their platform to insult a church that was his foundation, how then can unity be achieved?

Also, dig deep to your white garment church and ask same question? Why do they act like they are a different Christian and every other churches are wrong?

Till we address these issues the problem will persist.

gotnel:
We are really in end time.
Pentecostal Churches in Nigeria are merely business empires.
I can proof this with much evidence .
Looking around with all sense, you will know that Pentecostal Churches are more of business than worship.
They are just trading on the name of Jesus Christ and gospel.

You've been attending the wrong Pentecostal churches bro. Many charlatans are in the church today. The moment you understand that there are more false prophets than true prophets, you'll start separating the sheep from the goats.

otipoju:
You are extremely ignorant.

A. Israel was at war and as long as Moses hands were raised up...the battle would be in their favor, when his hands came down they would start loosing. So to they hand men hold his hands up until they utterly defeated their enemies.

Question: what is the correlation between raining or lowering of a mans hands with winning a battle.

B. The prophet told the king to hit the ground with his stick. The King hit it lightly just 3 times. The prophet admonished him saying had he hit the ground hard like 5 to 7 times, his enemies would have been defeated completely.

What is the correlation between physically hitting a stick on the ground at all with defeating ones enemies in a war.

C. Jesus spat on the ground, made a paste of mud and rubbed it on a blind man's eyes and told him to go wash. The man did as Jesus commanded and his eyes became opened.


Question: what has spit and mud and washing off with water got to do with a opening of a blind eye...especially if Jesus could simply command the eyes to be opened like he told Lazurus to come forth from the tomb or "speak the word " while in a different city and Jarius the Roman's daughter to be restored.

D. What is so powerful about a females menstrual blood that it could drain so much power from Jesus that he noticed immediately even though the large crowd was swirling around him and touching him.


If you can explain these then we might have a conversation about Christianity and faith...until then sit down and keep quiet.

The problem with you Pentecostal novices is that you think you know it all...whereas you and your so called "man made gods " know next to nothing about Spirituality.

What anointing do I need to fall under if your prayer is to God. Leave all that nonsense gimmicks to one side.

You guys blab unintelligible nonsense under the guise of speaking in tounges.

...whereas the real speaking in tounges is to speak in foreign language that its native speakers can understand...but the person speaking did not learn and may not even understand the language.

Is that not what happened on the day of Pentecost as described in the Acts of the Apostles? So where did you guys get your shekerebo booo madraka sunda from ?

Go and sit down somewhere and stop deceiving yourself.

Ibdo

I don't know u hut God bless u. They won't agree with the hard truth, they ll always fine a way to justify their shallow mind.

Originalsly:
Hmmm .... interesting. Pretty good response to the points raised but why avoid the one on speaking in tongues? That I was looking forward to ... especially to see if it will be keeping the same line of reasoning as response #1.

Yes, I later responded to the issue of speaking in tongue bro. Please keep following the discourse. God bless you.

Didijiji:
Why do Pentecostal churches speak ill of white garment churches?

I am forced to ask this question with the trending news today where Pastor David Ibiyeomie said he hates white garment churches and how they used “DEMONIC PSALMS” to make enchantments and make someone become a drunkard.

While it is important to respect senior pastors and their grace, it is equally important that the fathers of faith be made to realize they are human and not some form of God or Angel

The society we live in is plagued by many vices with influences across religion, tribe, race, denomination, sex , geolocation and all. Good and bad people exist in churches be it Catholic, Pentecostal, Anglican, white garment etc.

Singling out the white garment brethren always doesn’t speak well of you. It confirms there is a grudge because you were once a strong member. WHO MADE YOU THEIR GOD OR JUDGE?

Funny enough, you worshipped in a white garment church for several years. Your name then was Akanebo Ibiyeomie, Cherubim church in Port harcourt 115 Aggrey road. You remember Prophet Zekala the dada man, Prophet Chukwunda, Prophet Ajaero and other great prophets that mentored you. Your brother Derefoma Akanebo was also a prophet while you did more of the prayers.

More stories are on their way out so that you be guided how you insult a church on whose altar you prayed for years. Can your history be complete without the white garment church story?

Some orthodox and white garment churches were founded as far back as 1900 -1929. When did the Pentecostal churches start? Does it mean our fathers and grand fathers that worshipped in the old white garment and orthodox churches are seated in hell? Is God unjust?

The beauty of the end we all share is we all will stand before the judgement throne of God. And guess what? There won’t be any VIP queue or any of the altar and body guards.

There are good and bad pastors. There are good and bad prophets. There are good and bad bishops. Always treating the white garment churches as if nothing Godly and good exists in their churches is not Christ-like.

All the yahoo boys, hook up girls, abortionists all attend white garment churches right? You will be shocked they are more in the Pentecostal fold!

Most bank frauds that I know about have been perpetrated by even Pentecostal pastors, Ponzi yahoo schemes also, but you won’t hear because all the Pentecostal churches project to the world is the good side of their activities. I also know of a story of an RCCG father, mother and child that steal from the offering box every sunday till they were caught. An RCCG pastor told me this

What if white garment pastors start using these bad occurrences in the Pentecostal churches to preach on television?

All failed prophecies on this election were mostly by Pentecostal pastors
New year false prophecies are by them. The list is endless but no one talks.

It is pertinent to state that the founder of the RCCG, Pa Josiah Akindayomi worshipped in Cherubim for several years. So it is safe to say RCCG has white garment foundation. Some of the doctrines still continued. For eg, RCCG has mother in Israel like Cherubim.

Jesus Christ taught us love as stated in Eph 4:15.

The hate and stigma on white garment churches have become too much and MUST STOP forthwith.

Whilst there are bad white garment churches, there are good ones. Whilst there are bad Pentecostal churches, there are good ones.

Serve your God and let them be. Your doctrine is never superior and you are not their god

Stop using them to shine with your audience jeering you on—- RIDE ON PASTOR

You can’t hear other religions talk bad about their various sects but this always happens in Christianity

LET GOD BE THE JUDGE

:Hello, OP please where is Zekala now? that great prophet of God with amazing dreads, well my opinion is that I respect men of God but hate those that exalt themselves above others, non has the right to talk ill of any Church, non died for anybody, they are mere fucking men and can't dictate to people how to live their lives or where to worship. If they are as good as they claim with their anointing, Nigeria will be heaven on earth;, all of ;them should go and sit down, that's why TB Joshua tried to please them and reduced himself to mere prophet by dressing on suits and shaving ;his beards, Let them Bleep off, they are not in any way better than white garment Churches:; deceivers everywhere

Glowqueen3:
You are really versed and learned in the word of God hence your honest and truthful response,May your knowledge never run dry.The Lord is your strength.

Amen bro. Thanks very much for the prayers. May the Lord continue to enrich your life with all blessings and fulfil all your desires in Jesus name.

FxMasterz:
I can see that you're already deep in white garment practices. You're probably a strong leader there. Nothing I tell you would move you because your belief in the things you do is deeply entrenched.

Now, let me answer your Questions.

1. The raised hands of Moses was what God intended to use at that point in time to bring victory to Israel. God wanted him in one way or the other to participate in that battle and make the Israelites know for certain that their swords was not responsible for their victory.

Psalm 44:3

For they got not the land in possession by their own sword, neither did their own arm save them: but thy right hand, and thine arm, and the light of thy countenance, because thou hadst a favour unto them."

The message was very clear. Moses also got to understand that he is not self-sufficient. Take note of the fact that it was just a one-time occurrence. It never happened again. They didn't make it a rule for regular war practice. It was simply a message and it remained so. Do not compare this event with regular practices of the white garment churches.

2. When Elisha told the king Jehoash to hit the ground with his arrows in 2kings 13, remember that in verse 16, the prophet put his hands on the king's hands. This is the important part of that passage because the prophet was about to give the king a prophetic prayer that he was not worthy of. The king like his father was not serving God but he wanted to benefit from God. Rather than issue him a word of prophesy for Victory, the prophet can only offer up prophetic prayers and he must use his own hands to decide his own fate. That's exactly what happened. Any victory the king got was not because he was worthy but because God decided to overlook his deeds and have respect to the prophet and his anointing. However, by striking the ground just 3 times, he sealed his own fate. This does not justify anything that white garment churches do.

3. Jesus spitting on the ground was as He was directed to do at that particular moment for that particular man. The man was born blind. Tradition has it that he did not even have eyes. As in there were no eyes in those sockets. It was all skin covering that part of his face. The miracle in that John 10 was a special miracle. Jesus was literally creating new eyes in order to give sight to that man. What He did there was as instructed by the Holy Spirit. Remember He said, "I can of my own self do nothing." The actions were just for that particular occasion. The disciples who took up the ministry after Christ didn't make anything of it. Their activities are fully recorded in the book of Acts. They never had to indulge in any of those things you guys do to cast out devils, heal the sick, make the lame to walk or even raise the dead. The church had existed for almost 2,000yrs before white garment churches came into being. Those practices of yours never existed in christiendom. What do you think you know better than the Apostles?

Jesus is our ultimate example, and the Bible is our guide. Do it the way they did it. You would have the same results they had. It's just as simple as that. Why burn candles or wash anyone's head in rivers? Are you herbalists?

4. The blood flow from the woman with the issue of blood was not responsible for drawing power from the Lord Jesus. It was her faith. Through her faith, power was released from the Lord for her healing, and Christ knew that power got out of Him. Her menstrual blood didn't defile Jesus or spoil His anointing. I'm aware that you guys have
certain restrictions for women during their mensural periods. Like a herbalist, you think a touch from them would spoil things. It was not so with Christ. He was glad the woman touched Him. He approved of the touch and said "daughter, be not afraid, your faith has made you whole." If mensuration does not constitute a pollution to the Apostles of Christ (Acts 15}, why should it matter to any part of the body of Christ? Except that part has another Lord which is not Jesus.

See, the Bible is plain and straight forward. Trying to use unrelated scriptures to justify weird practices does not bring you into any good standing before God.

Even Paul who brought the gospel to us gentiles said [/b]be ye my imitators as I am of Christ Jesus.[/b] 1Cor. 11;1-2 (Paraphrased).

Tell me who you're imitating with your strange practices because it's obviously not the Lord Jesus, neither Paul nor any of the Apostles of the Lamb.

Thank you so much,
Thank you for beautiful interpretation

Such superstitious set of people

BIBLICAL HERMENEUTICS IN A SIMPLE FORM

Der women can twerk

akaahs:
Ibdo

I don't know u hut God bless u. They won't agree with the hard truth, they ll always fine a way to justify their shallow mind.

Did you see the response FxMasterz

M sure u did not

FxMasterz:
You've been attending the wrong Pentecostal churches bro. Many charlatans are in the church today. The moment you understand that there are more false prophets than true prophets, you'll start separating the sheep from the goats.

All of them, I don't want to start mentioning names of churches.
Mostly the bigger ones are just business empire, under the control of the G O.. The President,as some of the churches refer to their founders,, .

When the missionaries came to Nigeria in the beginning, they established schools, hospitals and welfare centres. All are free for their members and the community they operate in.
Tell me any pentecostal church in Nigeria today that have any school or hospital that is not extra expensive for the common members of their congregation.

In Gen 1 vs 3 when God say let thy be light. So you think it physical light like Sun or Moon. So you now believe it candle lighting that represents that in physical sense. Okay

I was born and brought up in Pentecostal church, but presently I'm a member of white garment church ( c & s) church, I don't have problem with there way of service. For someone condemning white garment church Elisha ask them to put salt in a white plate for healing in the land, the sinking Axe, Elijah ask Namah to bath in the river. Before you can condemn there service, can you tell about this mystery that Elijah and Elisha

gotnel:
All of them, I don't want to start mentioning names of churches.
Mostly the bigger ones are just business empire, under the control of the G O.. The President,as some of the churches refer to their founders,, .

When the missionaries came to Nigeria in the beginning, they established schools, hospitals and welfare centres. All are free for their members and the community they operate in.
Tell me any pentecostal church in Nigeria today that have any school or hospital that is not extra expensive for the common members of their congregation.

I do not disagree with you that there are business minded pastors and GOs. If they're telling you the truth of the word of God, listen to them and do things differently whenever you have the opportunity. God shall judge everyone including the GOs.

FxMasterz:
Baba Adeboye didn't mention any church per say. He only warned against burning candles. David Ibiyhome didn't do well at all. He wasn't supposed to talk like that.

Yes, there are godly white garment churches but they're not well known.

Most of those white garment churches have demonic practices. Burning of candies is demonic. Coloured candles are used in occultism to conjure demons. Candles have no place in Christianity. They use brooms and bath in rivers like the Babalawos do. That's purely unscriptural. But ignorant people would keep defending what they know nothing about.

the issue is that adeboye & ibiyomie were initially strong members of white garnent church. It's like after perfecting their craft, they run to cash out through pentecostal churches.

Righthussle:
Assistant Jesus. Please tell them.

Assistant Jesus? Are you the assistant Satan?

Iseoluwani:
Did you see the response FxMasterz

M sure u did not

Amen Thanks bro. I've seen it now. God bless you in Jesus name. May you continue to see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living.

Both of you are liars

WhisperedNoise:
My oga,
I read all your submissions. You're very sound.
The other two guys have a bias against the Pentecostal church and it's quite ignorantl.
I am a Pentecostal, however, I have worship several times with a C/S student fellowship. They are biblical and the Spirit of God is enthroned I their parish. They have sound Bible study and they pray in tongues.

These guys don't know the deliverance sessions that many pastors do on folks who have been touched by Satan. That's why they're beating their chests. I respect Pastor Ibiyeomie and i love him. While I may not agree wkth his choice of words, I agree with his assertions. Many white garment churches have questionable practices. But a revival has come there, and God is separating the chaff from the wheat.

The fellow who is defending use of menstrual blood...his pride and ignorance is disgusting. Claiming her menstruation drained Jesus of power is a very debasing statement. So, that means people who don't menstrurate won't get some answers to prayers bah? Trash.

As for using candles, fronds and brooms to pray...totally unscriptural. Totally.

Some people have been brainwashed, and I admire your commitment at pointing out the truth to him. You did very well. We can only pray that God will bring down every knowledge that exalts itself against the knowledge of Christ in their lives and minds.

Cheers, bro.

jcross19:
you are right but you are not in position to sperate chaff from the wheat, that one is left for Jesus to do! No white garment church will beat their chest that don't have any thing to do with marine spirits and falling angels!!

there are good ones

43Ronin:
the issue is that adeboye & ibiyomie were initially strong members of white garnent church. It's like after perfecting their craft, they run to cash out through pentecostal churches.

Wrong!!

The know what they saw there that made them pull out. They know the truth now and are no longer ignorant, so they're warning others. Every Ex-white garment worshipper has something weird to say about the church.

Most ex white garment members left because of their closing time not because the church is not of God..

FxMasterz:
Wrong!!

The know what they saw there that made them pull out. They know the truth now and are no longer ignorant, so they're warning others. Every Ex-white garment worshipper has something weird to say about the church.

Didijiji:
Why do Pentecostal churches speak ill of white garment churches?

I am forced to ask this question with the trending news today where Pastor David Ibiyeomie said he hates white garment churches and how they used “DEMONIC PSALMS” to make enchantments and make someone become a drunkard.

While it is important to respect senior pastors and their grace, it is equally important that the fathers of faith be made to realize they are human and not some form of God or Angel

The society we live in is plagued by many vices with influences across religion, tribe, race, denomination, sex , geolocation and all. Good and bad people exist in churches be it Catholic, Pentecostal, Anglican, white garment etc.

Singling out the white garment brethren always doesn’t speak well of you. It confirms there is a grudge because you were once a strong member. WHO MADE YOU THEIR GOD OR JUDGE?

Funny enough, you worshipped in a white garment church for several years. Your name then was Akanebo Ibiyeomie, Cherubim church in Port harcourt 115 Aggrey road. You remember Prophet Zekala the dada man, Prophet Chukwunda, Prophet Ajaero and other great prophets that mentored you. Your brother Derefoma Akanebo was also a prophet while you did more of the prayers.

More stories are on their way out so that you be guided how you insult a church on whose altar you prayed for years. Can your history be complete without the white garment church story?

Some orthodox and white garment churches were founded as far back as 1900 -1929. When did the Pentecostal churches start? Does it mean our fathers and grand fathers that worshipped in the old white garment and orthodox churches are seated in hell? Is God unjust?

The beauty of the end we all share is we all will stand before the judgement throne of God. And guess what? There won’t be any VIP queue or any of the altar and body guards.

There are good and bad pastors. There are good and bad prophets. There are good and bad bishops. Always treating the white garment churches as if nothing Godly and good exists in their churches is not Christ-like.

All the yahoo boys, hook up girls, abortionists all attend white garment churches right? You will be shocked they are more in the Pentecostal fold!

Most bank frauds that I know about have been perpetrated by even Pentecostal pastors, Ponzi yahoo schemes also, but you won’t hear because all the Pentecostal churches project to the world is the good side of their activities. I also know of a story of an RCCG father, mother and child that steal from the offering box every sunday till they were caught. An RCCG pastor told me this

What if white garment pastors start using these bad occurrences in the Pentecostal churches to preach on television?

All failed prophecies on this election were mostly by Pentecostal pastors
New year false prophecies are by them. The list is endless but no one talks.

It is pertinent to state that the founder of the RCCG, Pa Josiah Akindayomi worshipped in Cherubim for several years. So it is safe to say RCCG has white garment foundation. Some of the doctrines still continued. For eg, RCCG has mother in Israel like Cherubim.

Jesus Christ taught us love as stated in Eph 4:15.

The hate and stigma on white garment churches have become too much and MUST STOP forthwith.

Whilst there are bad white garment churches, there are good ones. Whilst there are bad Pentecostal churches, there are good ones.

Serve your God and let them be. Your doctrine is never superior and you are not their god

Stop using them to shine with your audience jeering you on—- RIDE ON PASTOR

You can’t hear other religions talk bad about their various sects but this always happens in Christianity

LET GOD BE THE JUDGE

sanitize ur church and stop complaining, there are so many bad eggs in ur church. Many ritualist are now hiding under white gament churches to perpetrate their evil act. They never stop killing goats, ram and fowls, bad someone in the river 12 midnight etc. They bad women necked midnight in Rivers. I knew a particular man where I once stayed who does these things I mentioned for a living.

My own be say fear all pastor both cele and non cele

chiefolododo:
Some white garment churches engage in things that do not glorify Jesus, we must admit that and separate the chaff from the wheat. The good white garment church is a prototype of the church of heaven. I like their songs,

Pentecostal churches do not engage in things that do not glorify Jesus?

The Catholic church does not?

thorpido:
While I may not criticize white garment churches,you see that one called Brotherhood of the Cross and Star..........mbanu.

u guys should allow pple and their beliefs be... This is why Peter Obi was moving from church to church and still Lost out... Religion should be personal and no hullabaloo on it

Senioradvocate:
sanitize ur church and stop complaining, there are so many bad eggs in ur church. Many ritualist are now hiding under white gament churches to perpetrate their evil act. They never stop killing goats, ram and fowls, bad someone in the river 12 midnight etc. They bad women necked midnight in Rivers. I knew a particular man where I once stayed who does these things I mentioned for a living.

Ritualists do not hide in Pentecostal churches?
Homosexuals do not hide there?

Paedophiles don't hide in the Catholic church?
Jesus said judge not
He also said

Let he without sin cast the first stone


All those choreographed crusades with take miracles staged with Oyinbo men of God

Who introduced that to Nigeria?

Senioradvocate:
sanitize ur church and stop complaining, there are so many bad eggs in ur church. Many ritualist are now hiding under white gament churches to perpetrate their evil act. They never stop killing goats, ram and fowls, bad someone in the river 12 midnight etc. They bad women necked midnight in Rivers. I knew a particular man where I once stayed who does these things I mentioned for a living.

Woow you don’t mean it?

It is well but we don’t kill or sacrifice goats.

olaboy001:
Most ex white garment members left because of their closing time not because the church is not of God..

Hahaha, who wants to leave where God is, merely because of closing time? Lol.

If God is truly there, they'll never leave.

Those people who left have spoken up. Even on this forum, there are various threads detailing the demonic practices going on in that church created by ex members.