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Gajagojo:
Official language of the world .
The world? Which world?
Only a colonised mind would vomit such twaddle

So Kano and IleIfe spoke Greek? Or China,India Iran?

Can you name one contemporaneous work written in Greek by Hebrews
Or show us evidence that Herod or Pontius Pilate spoke in Greek.


The bible was written in Greek because it was addressed to Greeks in Thessalonika, and. Corinth and Collossus and Ephesus Galatia etc

You understand what I meant. Greek was the only known official language in the world back then. That doesn't mean the whole world was speaking it. The Greco Roman territories were using it.

The New Testament was written in Greek because it was the official language of the time. They were mostly letters written to churches and individuals, in Rome, Greece, Jerusalem and Asia.

The book of Romans was for those Christians in Rome. The book of Hebrews was for the Jews. The books of the Corinthians for the Greeks. The book of Galatians for Christians in Turkey. The book of Peter, John, Revelation were written for all Christians everywhere.

emperor4love:
You are not God to judge anyone ibiyeomi nd his members we all know without ur members tithe nd offering u won't liv a high life

As Christians, you are made a judge but you are to judge righteous judgement. John 7:24 Kjv.

You guys don't read your Bible.

FxMasterz:
That's my point. That's why I said he used the wrong language.

They are demonic psalms. Dark occult people have access to it but those psalms are not found in the Bible...That's what he was trying to commhnicate.

Didijiji:
Why do Pentecostal churches speak ill of white garment churches?

I am forced to ask this question with the trending news today where Pastor David Ibiyeomie said he hates white garment churches and how they used “DEMONIC PSALMS” to make enchantments and make someone become a drunkard.

While it is important to respect senior pastors and their grace, it is equally important that the fathers of faith be made to realize they are human and not some form of God or Angel

The society we live in is plagued by many vices with influences across religion, tribe, race, denomination, sex , geolocation and all. Good and bad people exist in churches be it Catholic, Pentecostal, Anglican, white garment etc.

Singling out the white garment brethren always doesn’t speak well of you. It confirms there is a grudge because you were once a strong member. WHO MADE YOU THEIR GOD OR JUDGE?

Funny enough, you worshipped in a white garment church for several years. Your name then was Akanebo Ibiyeomie, Cherubim church in Port harcourt 115 Aggrey road. You remember Prophet Zekala the dada man, Prophet Chukwunda, Prophet Ajaero and other great prophets that mentored you. Your brother Derefoma Akanebo was also a prophet while you did more of the prayers.

More stories are on their way out so that you be guided how you insult a church on whose altar you prayed for years. Can your history be complete without the white garment church story?

Some orthodox and white garment churches were founded as far back as 1900 -1929. When did the Pentecostal churches start? Does it mean our fathers and grand fathers that worshipped in the old white garment and orthodox churches are seated in hell? Is God unjust?

The beauty of the end we all share is we all will stand before the judgement throne of God. And guess what? There won’t be any VIP queue or any of the altar and body guards.

There are good and bad pastors. There are good and bad prophets. There are good and bad bishops. Always treating the white garment churches as if nothing Godly and good exists in their churches is not Christ-like.

All the yahoo boys, hook up girls, abortionists all attend white garment churches right? You will be shocked they are more in the Pentecostal fold!

Most bank frauds that I know about have been perpetrated by even Pentecostal pastors, Ponzi yahoo schemes also, but you won’t hear because all the Pentecostal churches project to the world is the good side of their activities. I also know of a story of an RCCG father, mother and child that steal from the offering box every sunday till they were caught. An RCCG pastor told me this

What if white garment pastors start using these bad occurrences in the Pentecostal churches to preach on television?

All failed prophecies on this election were mostly by Pentecostal pastors
New year false prophecies are by them. The list is endless but no one talks.

It is pertinent to state that the founder of the RCCG, Pa Josiah Akindayomi worshipped in Cherubim for several years. So it is safe to say RCCG has white garment foundation. Some of the doctrines still continued. For eg, RCCG has mother in Israel like Cherubim.

Jesus Christ taught us love as stated in Eph 4:15.

The hate and stigma on white garment churches have become too much and MUST STOP forthwith.

Whilst there are bad white garment churches, there are good ones. Whilst there are bad Pentecostal churches, there are good ones.

Serve your God and let them be. Your doctrine is never superior and you are not their god

Stop using them to shine with your audience jeering you on—- RIDE ON PASTOR

You can’t hear other religions talk bad about their various sects but this always happens in Christianity

LET GOD BE THE JUDGE

You are minding him?
He's a volunteer pastor, he's not an elect, called and sent pastor. Thier types received calling by volunteering but were not called like Samuel. And other called pastor.
We have many of them who came out from C&S church but in order to make followers, they would always condemn their root.

No true man of God would say he hate human not to talk of a church. He HATE WHITE GARMENTS, imagine when Jesus encourage we should love our enemies with this, we are different from them.

Bizzyman:
They are demonic psalms. Dark occult people have access to it but those psalms are not found in the Bible...That's what he was trying to commhnicate.

I see. Now I understand.

Thanks for the clarification. Do you care to share some of those Psalms?

FxMasterz:
I already blamed ibiyhome yesterday, remember?

But what he meant by demonic Psalms is understood by me. Just that he used wrong language. Truth is that the Devil uses the Bible to camouflage and deceive people to make them think they're doing the right things since Bible is involved. Do you know that some cults recite Bible verses to do money rituals? The victims are comfortable thinking it's from God.

Read the Bible well before defending things that are not in the Bible. I can talk boldly about these things because I'm well versed in scriptures and know the truth. No man of God anywhere can deceive me.

Again, you're just very ignorant. Go on a research and compare the activities of white garment churches with cult practices, you'll be stunned at the similarities.

Where did they get those practices from? I don't burn candles or do any of those things they do but if I lay hands on you simply praying in the name of Jesus, you'll encounter the power of God. You might even fall under the anointing.

Look, seek knowledge. Loyalty to some church demonination or man of God would not take you to heaven. Religion is useless. Only Jesus saves.

While I have no issues with your use of only the name of Jesus which I also believe in, I will have you know that as a true christian, it is dangerous to talk in absolute finality when discussing the Bible and the things of God. In fact, it undermines the infinitesimal powers and ways of God
Never limit the wisdom of God and His prerogative to do things that will dumbfound human beings.

That was why He warned us that His ways are not our ways and His thoughts not our thoughts. Be made us to know that as the earth ia far from heaven, so are His thoughts and ways far and different from ours.
God may have given us the Bible in order to limit our human tendencies but He Himself cannot be limited by it.
Apostle John made us to know that there were too many miracles Jesus did that were not recorded in the Bible and we know He didn't perform all His miracles only by saying the word. There were cases when He employed esoteric ekements to complement his works like when he spat on the ground, made a mud to rub on the man born blind then asked him to go to the Pool of Silom to wash which ended in a miracle.

Jesus told us in John 16 that the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, that he would send, would not only remind us of the things he has thought us, but will also tell us of new things. Those new things are things not already recorded in the Bible and do we know the things and the people he would chose to reveal them to ?
Suffice it to say that judgment is the prerogative of God and not man.
Let every person worship as he/she deems fit without assuming the role of the judge or monopoly of knowledge.

chiefolododo:
Some white garment churches engage in things that do not glorify Jesus, we must admit that and separate the chaff from the wheat. The good white garment church is a prototype of the church of heaven. I like their songs,

Where is your biblical reference to this - white garment church being a prototype in heaven? So, what happens to other churches in the world?

This is one of the many problems you guys have. You DISCRIMINATE A LOT and yet, still act like the victim.

phemmyfour:
Comprehension = Zero

I never denied that he attacked all white garment Churches, I said the writer is not any better cos he attacked ALL pentecostal churches.

Learn to recognize personal opinion and stop making a general statement

You need more comprehension.

Go and read what you wrote before disgracing yourself further.

IPDGP:
Worldly songs in church , how will u justify that to unbelievers

Have you heard an heavenly song before?

Nauttyprof:
Where is your biblical reference to this - white garment church being a prototype in heaven? So, what happens to other churches in the world?

This is one of the many problems you guys have. You DISCRIMINATE A LOT and yet, still act like the victim.

I mean the mode of dressing, the white garment,the worship and the rest. The white garment church is supposed to be reflection of the church in heaven, read their history, the founder.the problem is that Satan succeeded in infiltrating the white garment church, not all of them though

AfonjaScud:
While I have no issues with your use of only the name of Jesus which I also believe in, I will have you know that as a true christian, it is dangerous to talk in absolute finality when discussing the Bible and the things of God. In fact, it undermines the infinitesimal powers and ways of God
Never limit the wisdom of God and His prerogative to do things that will dumbfound human beings.

That was why He warned us that His ways are not our ways and His thoughts not our thoughts. Be made us to know that as the earth ia far from heaven, so are His thoughts and ways far and different from ours.
God may have given us the Bible in order to limit our human tendencies but He Himself cannot be limited by it.
Apostle John made us to know that there were too many miracles Jesus did that were not recorded in the Bible and we know He didn't perform all His miracles only by saying the word. There were cases when He employed esoteric ekements to complement his works like when he spat on the ground, made a mud to rub on the man born blind then asked him to go to the Pool of Silom to wash which ended in a miracle.

Jesus told us in John 16 that the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, that he would send, would not only remind us of the things he has thought us, but will also tell us of new things. Those new things are things not already recorded in the Bible and do we know the things and the people he would chose to reveal them to ?
Suffice it to say that judgment is the prerogative of God and not man.
Let every person worship as he/she deems fit without assuming the role of the judge or monopoly of knowledge.

Please, don't misinterpret the Bible to satisfy your thought or stand. John 15:15 clearly stated that He has made known all things He received from the Father. Does this not in a way contradict what was said in JOHN 16 as John 15:15 comes before John 16? Context is always important in understanding the author's intended meaning and not your imposed meaning on the Bible. The focus is not teaching something new outside the scripture but having the Holy Spirit give a better understanding as to what has been written and said of Jesus and His mission on earth. Remember it says 'the Holy Spirit will guide you in ALL THE TRUTH' Meaning the truth has been established and all we need is a better understanding and not something new.

God is not the author of confusion and will not contradict what has been said in His book. Please, don't turn the Bible upside down just to satisfy your stand.

This thread started out so bright before going sour at the end.

I would have loved to see more of fxmasterz and otipoju argument rather than the character assassination that is playing at the end of this thread, because I learnt a lot from those two.

To the white garment church goers, we're just trying to understand your doctrine because it appears as a strange practice to us. Otipoju has done a lot of justice in clarifying some of your practices but there are still some parts I'm not satisfied with like the part of the candle lighting, some of the white garment prophets will go as far as placing the candles in specific order to do their deliverance or prayers.

This practice tends to bear resemblance with the occultic people's own. This is what led to the scepticism around your doctrine. Please know that this question is born out of sheer curiosity.

And to those using Catholic as a point of defence, it is actually weak because why would their be reformation that gave rise to many church denominations in christendom if Catholic practice is perfectly christ-like. The reformers disagreed with the unbiblical practices of Catholic which led to the formation of new churches.

AfonjaScud:
While I have no issues with your use of only the name of Jesus which I also believe in, I will have you know that as a true christian, it is dangerous to talk in absolute finality when discussing the Bible and the things of God. In fact, it undermines the infinitesimal powers and ways of God
Never limit the wisdom of God and His prerogative to do things that will dumbfound human beings.

That was why He warned us that His ways are not our ways and His thoughts not our thoughts. Be made us to know that as the earth ia far from heaven, so are His thoughts and ways far and different from ours.
God may have given us the Bible in order to limit our human tendencies but He Himself cannot be limited by it.
Apostle John made us to know that there were too many miracles Jesus did that were not recorded in the Bible and we know He didn't perform all His miracles only by saying the word. There were cases when He employed esoteric ekements to complement his works like when he spat on the ground, made a mud to rub on the man born blind then asked him to go to the Pool of Silom to wash which ended in a miracle.

Jesus told us in John 16 that the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, that he would send, would not only remind us of the things he has thought us, but will also tell us of new things. Those new things are things not already recorded in the Bible and do we know the things and the people he would chose to reveal them to ?
Suffice it to say that judgment is the prerogative of God and not man.
Let every person worship as he/she deems fit without assuming the role of the judge or monopoly of knowledge.

Do you know that the scriptures warn agsinst false prophets?

Do you know that the scriptures explicitly states that Jesus Christ is our example?

Do you know that the scriptures Particularly warned up to add nothing to or take from what we have been given?

Do you mean to tell me that anything I do should be absolutely accepted as divine just because I use God's name? Doesn't the devil do the same?

The Bible is our yardstick. If a practice cannot stand the test of scripture, then it's trash. There are rules in Christian Spirituality. The rules and guides are plain laid down in scriptures. It's not an anything or anyhow stuff.

Didijiji:
Why do Pentecostal churches speak ill of white garment churches

Jesus Christ taught us love as stated in Eph 4:15.

The hate and stigma on white garment churches have become too much and MUST STOP forthwith.

Whilst there are bad white garment churches, there are good ones. Whilst there are bad Pentecostal churches, there are good ones.

LET GOD BE THE JUDGE

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There is no hate for White garment churches.

Pentecostal churches worship money only. They are only hunting for more customers. More members means more money in their bank accounts to pursue Nollywood actresses.

I don't know how people sleep at night knowing that the money they give to churches are being funneled to support Tonto Dike's extravagant lifestyle

Only idiots believe that their pastors are interested in their salvation. Is the pastor sure of his or her own salvation? Most of them lacking in contents have turned their churches to entertainment centers instead of places of worship. They know that Nigerians are very emotional. Just play with their emotions and they will gleefully empty their pockets. A foolproof format.

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Truthshotcrazy:
If dem burn love Candle for your head with ur picture, u go fall in love yakata

Really??

LeyeWrites:
Have you heard an heavenly song before?

1cor 1020
Rather, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice they sacrifice to demons and not to God, and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the Lord’s table and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the Lord’s table and of the table of demons. Or do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? Are we stronger than He?
All things are lawful for me, but not all things are helpful; all things are lawful for me, but not all things edify. Let no one seek his own, but each one the other’s well-being.


Christianity is about been unique, if you engage yourself in some worldly things you are in no way different.
The house of the lord should be treated with respect.

IPDGP:
1cor 1020
Rather, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice they sacrifice to demons and not to God, and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the Lord’s table and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the Lord’s table and of the table of demons. Or do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? Are we stronger than He?
All things are lawful for me, but not all things are helpful; all things are lawful for me, but not all things edify. Let no one seek his own, but each one the other’s well-being.


Christianity is about been unique, if you engage yourself in some worldly things you are in no way different.
The house of the lord should be treated with respect.

You have not given examples of worldly things.

Didijiji:
Hate and evening pronouncing it on international TV isn’t Christ-like. Some white garment churches go bare foot whenever they are on their white garment, some only go barefoot only when they are inside the church. It is different but the founders could have been inspired by the occurrence in Exodus 3:5 where Moses was instructed to remove his sandals because he is on a holy ground. The instruction came from God to Moses who was a Prophet. The founders of white garment churches could have also been instructed by the Holy Spirit as prophets, or inspired by Moses as a Prophet or have interpreted that verse humanly while emulating a bible verse in their own way as most of them were without modern education, same way Rev Kumuyi and Deeper Life condemned the watching of TV by members who saw it then as a sin. Now almost all Deeper Life churches have a TV. What people should be asking is what is demonic about the removal of shoes? Does it mean I glorify a demon when I remove my shoe or what? What is bad about shoe removal at the point of worship? I was at a mountain yesterday and saw a man dressed in suit praying and he removed his shoes. I feel it’s a sign of respect.

Even you don't know the basis of not wearing shoes for what you're defending
Orimolade simply followed the verse you qouted which is why C&S only do that in church while Cele's was because Oshoffa had big foot disease which did not allow him to wear shoes. His followers thus adopted not wearing shoes when you're in suttanna to honour him

LeyeWrites:
You have not given examples of worldly things.

Anything that does not edifies

IPDGP:
Anything that does not edifies

I agree with you.

But all CCC songs edified....

LeyeWrites:
I agree with you.

But all CCC songs edified....

Yes the hymes and songs does,
Am bringing your attention to having a party in church compound and playing those songs leading to indecent dancing and form of celebration, like I said not all are

FxMasterz:
Baba Adeboye didn't mention any church per say. He only warned against burning candles. David Ibiyhome didn't do well at all. He wasn't supposed to talk like that.

Yes, there are godly white garment churches but they're not well known.

Most of those white garment churches have demonic practices. Burning of candies is demonic. Coloured candles are used in occultism to conjure demons. Candles have no place in Christianity. They use brooms and bath in rivers like the Babalawos do. That's purely unscriptural. But ignorant people would keep defending what they know nothing about.

no one bath to cure illness in the bible? healing with hankie is that one scriptural?

If the oracle makes too much of demands, we would show him the tree he was carved from

paxonel:
My question about white garments is, what are the significance of the white garments and walking bare foot on streets?

And, is it really true that white garment churches put people's names in a bottle of ogogoro and cause them to behave drunk according to what that pastor said?

This is the most intelligent question I have read on the thread.

tollyboy5:
no one bath to cure illness in the bible? healing with hankie is that one scriptural?

Bathing in the river to cure illness is not a regular practice of the church. The church has customs. River bathing is not one of the them.

Yes, handkerchiefs and aprons are scriptural. They were used by the church.

LeyeWrites:
You need more comprehension.

Go and read what you wrote before disgracing yourself further.

I m not responsible for your low IQ

FxMasterz:
Bathing in the river to cure illness is not a regular practice of the church. The church has customs. River bathing is not one of the them.

Yes, handkerchiefs and aprons are scriptural. They were used by the church.

He went down and dipped himself in the Jordan River seven times, and he became pure and clean.


You're not the one to decide what churches can use or not. Cele bath in water as you can see it's also scriptural, i'm sure you dont even have explanation why it was seven times. You think things just happen.

IPDGP:
Yes the hymes and songs does,
Am bringing your attention to having a party in church compound and playing those songs leading to indecent dancing and form of celebration, like I said not all are

Pentecostal churches does indecent dances and do break dance also, who made Pentecostal pastors judges for white garment?

tollyboy5:
He went down and dipped himself in the Jordan River seven times, and he became pure and clean.


You're not the one to decide what churches can use or not. Cele bath in water as you can see it's also scriptural

The Bible decides what the churches can use and do. New testament practices are completely different from.old testament practices. The new testament church has guiding rules.

Even in the old testament, Naaman the Syrian was the only one who ever washed to cure leprosy at the instruction of Elisha. Was it a regular practice of Elishah? Was it a regular practice even in the Old testament?

Rivers are associated with marne spirits, that's why people in the occult use them. Apart from water Baptism, the church of God has no relationship with rivers.

FxMasterz:
That's my point. That's why I said he used the wrong language.

Nothing in the book of psalm is demonic, there powerful psalms that many christian are ignorant of.

tollyboy5:
Pentecostal churches does indecent dances and do break dance also, who made Pentecostal pastors judges for white garment?

It's also part of it, just imagine someone using Jesus for comedy inside church.
Those things does not glorify God

Christianity should be sacred

I was in the market yesterday and one of their priest with yellow chord tied on his white garment came to buy coconut from the woman I was buying fruits from. Told the woman they need it in church, pls what's its for?

Are they carrying sacrifices in church and no faith in their prayers?