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tollyboy5:
Nothing in the book of psalm is demonic, there powerful psalms that many christian are ignorant of.

Didijiji:
Why do Pentecostal churches speak ill of white garment churches?

I am forced to ask this question with the trending news today where Pastor David Ibiyeomie said he hates white garment churches and how they used “DEMONIC PSALMS” to make enchantments and make someone become a drunkard.

While it is important to respect senior pastors and their grace, it is equally important that the fathers of faith be made to realize they are human and not some form of God or Angel

The society we live in is plagued by many vices with influences across religion, tribe, race, denomination, sex , geolocation and all. Good and bad people exist in churches be it Catholic, Pentecostal, Anglican, white garment etc.

Singling out the white garment brethren always doesn’t speak well of you. It confirms there is a grudge because you were once a strong member. WHO MADE YOU THEIR GOD OR JUDGE?

Funny enough, you worshipped in a white garment church for several years. Your name then was Akanebo Ibiyeomie, Cherubim church in Port harcourt 115 Aggrey road. You remember Prophet Zekala the dada man, Prophet Chukwunda, Prophet Ajaero and other great prophets that mentored you. Your brother Derefoma Akanebo was also a prophet while you did more of the prayers.

More stories are on their way out so that you be guided how you insult a church on whose altar you prayed for years. Can your history be complete without the white garment church story?

Some orthodox and white garment churches were founded as far back as 1900 -1929. When did the Pentecostal churches start? Does it mean our fathers and grand fathers that worshipped in the old white garment and orthodox churches are seated in hell? Is God unjust?

The beauty of the end we all share is we all will stand before the judgement throne of God. And guess what? There won’t be any VIP queue or any of the altar and body guards.

There are good and bad pastors. There are good and bad prophets. There are good and bad bishops. Always treating the white garment churches as if nothing Godly and good exists in their churches is not Christ-like.

All the yahoo boys, hook up girls, abortionists all attend white garment churches right? You will be shocked they are more in the Pentecostal fold!

Most bank frauds that I know about have been perpetrated by even Pentecostal pastors, Ponzi yahoo schemes also, but you won’t hear because all the Pentecostal churches project to the world is the good side of their activities. I also know of a story of an RCCG father, mother and child that steal from the offering box every sunday till they were caught. An RCCG pastor told me this

What if white garment pastors start using these bad occurrences in the Pentecostal churches to preach on television?

All failed prophecies on this election were mostly by Pentecostal pastors
New year false prophecies are by them. The list is endless but no one talks.

It is pertinent to state that the founder of the RCCG, Pa Josiah Akindayomi worshipped in Cherubim for several years. So it is safe to say RCCG has white garment foundation. Some of the doctrines still continued. For eg, RCCG has mother in Israel like Cherubim.

Jesus Christ taught us love as stated in Eph 4:15.

The hate and stigma on white garment churches have become too much and MUST STOP forthwith.

Whilst there are bad white garment churches, there are good ones. Whilst there are bad Pentecostal churches, there are good ones.

Serve your God and let them be. Your doctrine is never superior and you are not their god

Stop using them to shine with your audience jeering you on—- RIDE ON PASTOR

You can’t hear other religions talk bad about their various sects but this always happens in Christianity

LET GOD BE THE JUDGE

FxMasterz:
The Bible decides what the churches can use and do. New testament practices are completely different from.old testament practices. The new testament church has guiding rules.

Even in the old testament, Naaman the Syrian was the only one who ever washed to cure leprosy at the instruction of Elisha. Was it a regular practice of Elishah? Was it a regular practice even in the Old testament?

Rivers are associated with marne spirits, that's why people in the occult use them. Apart from water Baptism, the church of God has no relationship with rivers.

FxMasterz:
Someone has even clarified that Cele has demonic Psalms that are not even in the Bible. And it seems you're corroborating the claim.

Where did you.get your extrabiblical Psalms from?

tollyboy5:
Being the only scenario in the bible make the miracle demonic? If no then you're not the judge to decides what is not regular as unbiblical.

Just imagine your logic because it happened once then it is....


What makes the new testament different from the old testament in terms of miracles? Or do you mean the new testament came to abolish some patterns of the old testament miracles?

tollyboy5:
If the person cant show you the psalms as claimed then he needs deliverance because Jesus did not tell him to spread lies. And you his believers need jesus.

FxMasterz:
My God.

Are you guys using Rivers to cure leprosy or what? Are your members Naaman the Syrian? Maybe you don't understand. This episode of Naaman happened over 3000yrs ago. It has never been repeated all through Israelite and church history. Do you bother to ask why? Are you telling me that the founders of your church have better revelation than Elisha? Or they have better understanding of God than all the apostles of Jesus?

Do you understand what Paul meant when he said certain things are not the custom of the church?

Only babaláwos and occult people relate with water the way you guys do. And we understand very well that they deal with water spirits.

Tell me, what are you looking for in water that the name of Jesus cannot do?

FxMasterz:
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We're you not the one who just told me now that you have Psalms that Christians are not aware of?

What is in the Bible that Christians are not aware of for God's sake? If Christians are not aware of it, then it's not in the Bible. Do you want to start double speaking?

FxMasterz:
We don't speak unintelligible language when we speak in tongues. It's unintelligible to you because you don't understand the language. Sometimes the tongues are interpreted, and everyone understands what is being said.

Those whom you hear repeating just one word all the time are people who have not grown up spiritually. I speak a whole language at a go by the grace of God. I don't speak repeated syllables. I speak several languages too.

If you don't understand Fanti language of Ghana, and you hear someone saying Mi da o asi, mi da o asi, mi da o si, several times, wouldn't that look unintelligible to you? Meanwhile that person is giving thanks to God. Mi da o asi means, I give you thanks. The same way your own native language would look unintelligible to someone who doesn't understand it. Paul explained it by saying the fellow would look like a barbarian to you. We're not talking about those who are faking it. There are those who fake it. That's completely unscriptural. Very wrong. The first time you're baptised, your tongue moves uncontrollably. You're not in control of what you're saying. What you're saying looks unintelligible to even you the speaker. But the Lord understands the language.

Look, we do not mix anything together or train people on what to say or do. It's just a simple prayer of faith:

"Lord, this Your servant has a desire to be filled by Your Presence and to be baptised by Your Holy Spirit. We come before You because You've promised that anyone who asks receives. Give him Lord your Holy Spirit as You did on the day of Pentecost. Do it Father, for we pray in Jesus name." That's all. We leave the rest to God and He never fails to answer. Sometimes, the person speaks a full language same day he was baptized, and there'll be interpretation. It is purely from above without any human input or interference. That's how it was on the day of Pentecost.

Regarding the woman with the issue of blood. I understand that you're a leader and most possibly heading a church. You wouldn't love to give up on this practice but I'll tell you the truth.

First, it is blasphemy to say the woman drained Jesus of His power. You don't seem to understand who Jesus is. Jesus cannot be said to possess the power of God. That's an understatement because He Himself is the Power. The Bible calls Him "...the wisdom of God and the power of God."

Now, you seem to think that power is something quantifiable which could be reduced or increased and therefore could be deducted, leading to a drain. No. Not so.

The power of God is simply the Presence of the Holy Spirit and His manifestation in our lives. That's why Jesus said, "Ye shall receive power after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you."

It's the work of the Holy Ghost. The Holy Spirit moves to do the things He wants to do, and He's not inhibited by a woman's mensural flow. Even Jesus said, "...the Father that dwells in me, He does the work. I can of my own self do nothing." What makes you think He could be drained? "For In Him dwelleth the fullness of the Godhead bodily."

Power isn't fluid. Though it moves like a river. It isn't drainable because it's a Person. The Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost Himself is called the Spirit of Christ.

For instance, if you're sharing your wisdom with someone from morning till night, wouldn't it sound absurd to you if someone suddenly walks in and says to the fellow you're sharing your wisdom with, "Leave the man alone, you've been receiving from his wisdom since morning, you're draining his wisdom." Just as wisdom cannot be drained, so also is power. Wisdom isn't fluid, same as power.

What happened was that Jesus knew that someone tapped from Him because He felt a sensation. And yeah, you could feel something like electric current coursing through you when you minister the power of God to somebody. You'll feel the Holy Spirit reaching out and touching someone. That's what Jesus felt. He was never drained.

We who are His servants never feel drained let alone the Lord. He's the source. And the source is infinite. Infinite and immeasurable manifestation of the Spirit of God. We are just channels. We're never sources. We're conduits through whom the Holy Ghost moves to bless lives. There's nothing like draining. It's heretic. And when used against the Lord, it's blasphemous. There's nowhere in the scriptures where the power of God was ever drained from someone. In the case of Samson, the Spirit of God simply departed from him. Only sin can obstruct the move of the Holy Ghost. Not menses. Menses may affect demons. Not the Spirit of God.

Regarding prophecies, yeah, we prophesy by the Spirit of God. "I prophesy into your life..." No, that's not prophesy. That's prophetic prayer. It's not telling you what has happened or what would happen. It's just a word of prayer. The same way Ezekiel prophesied to make the dry bones live. A prayer of command.

Prophecies usually start with "This saith the Lord." Or you could hear the man of God say "This is what God is telling me now..." That's prophecy or the Word of knowledge. We know the difference between prophetic prayers and prophecies, but people outside the Pentecostal walls think we're prophesying when we're making prophetic prayers. It's simply a prayer of positive confession or command. Prophecy is quiet different.

tollyboy5:
So with your own understanding it must be the same replica of leprosy that was done in the bible?
if that's how you interprete your bible then you dont understand your bible well lol.

I know you're one of these apostle paulist followers. You define many biblical terms base on the gospel of paul. Now tell me why the practice was only once in the bible and why it was so without bringing apostle paul into this.

otipoju:
So of all the people touching Jesus, she was the only one that had faith. The others had no expectation of healing and were just following him for following sake. Stop reading your own meanings into events. Yes she had faith that she would get healed but the fact remains that her touch drained Jesus of power...her faith is not what drained Jesus.

Why would faith a positive thing reduce power in Jesus.?

Also there is not a single mention of the word menstruation in Acts 15. So you are inventing a story that did not happen.

As clever as you think you are, you did not comment on your bracadabra speaking in tounges. Show me in the Bible where you got blabbing unintelligible nonsense as speaking in tounges.

Your nonsense pastors substituted " strange tounges which actually means "foreign languages" to be blabbing nonsense and like dense and dumb sheep you follow.

Also where in the Bible does it say the man had no eyeballs? Where did you get your tradition from.

Now tell me the so called strange practices that we engage in that are not rooted in scripture.

From the colour of our garments, to palm fronds,to lighting candles...they are all found in the Bible.

And you are still saying the obvious...what I asked for was the correlation. Why would certain actions have certain direct events on real life events.

And what makes you think the actions that Celestians take are not directed by the Holy Spirit for the individual or congregation.

It's a shame that you talk so proudly and authoritavely about what a church you know nothing about.

That heaven wey you want go, na white garment you go wear there, you go light candle for alter and you go burn incense tire.

FxMasterz:
That's what we're talking about. Your response already shows you don't know God. You're just being religious and superlatively ignorant.

XAUBulls:
Just for the records... You clearly attacked @otipoju first only for you to turn around and play the the victim. That's self-righteous on you part. Period.

Eileene:
Mr Fxmasterz are you a pastor your understanding of the Bible is so solid.How can one really study the Bible to get all the hidden meaning...not just reading through...

FxMasterz:
Do you hate Paul? If you're a Christian, you wouldn't have been able to hear about Jesus without the ministry of Paul, except you're a Jew.

Are you ready to answer my question if I answer yours?

Naaman was a Syrian, a gentile. Elisha knew that it iwas against the law for him to have anything to do with a gentile. But to prove that there's a God in Israel, Naaman was privileged to partake of the children's bread without any contact with the prophet. While Naaman was still.on the way, Elisha sent Gehazi to him to tell him to make a u-turn and go wash in Jordan 7 times. See how Naaman became enraged because of the instruction. He knew it was unusual. However, since Elisha cannot make contact with him, the only way for Naaman to be healed is for him to combine obedience, faith and works together to get his healing. Jesus also.healed lepers, and you can see that His method was different. Elisha conducted several healings in his days but there was never a time he ever used the river again. That occasion was specially for Naaman, given his condition and his nationality. Even after his healing, Elisha still didn't make any contact with him. Being a gentile, Elisha could not even collect his gifts of appreciation. The undercurrents of this event is very clear. No confusion. Making a custom out of this episode is a no no no.

Now, tell me what a benefits a river would give to you.that the name of Jesus cannot offer.

tollyboy5:
Christians especially Pentecostal christian don't know how powerful the book of psalm could be use that is why your pastors keep screaming demonic psalms.

XAUBulls:
Just for the records... You clearly attacked @otipoju first only for you to turn around and play the the victim. That's self-righteous on you part. Period.

Second, leave Babalawos (the priests of the Yoruba religion or Ifa) out of your demonizing conversation. Respect other people's religions. Are you aware that Professor Wande Abimbola is a Babalawos and he used to be a two-term Vice Chancellor of Obafemi Awolowo University in Ife?

There are many well-educated Babalawos with Masters and PhDs but some of you religious fanatics like to demonize what you don't know. The Ifa religion is an international religion practiced in Africa, Brazil, Cuba, Trinidad and Tobago, USA, Europe, etc, so let them be. There are over 10,000 Babalawos in Cuba alone... Both white and black Cubans because of the strong Yoruba presence in Cuba during the trans-Atlantic slave trade.

tollyboy5:
Your apologist write up is to explain what you chose to believe. There are several miracles that happened that was not recorded. Now because you found one happened once you believe its for that particular reason.
All these your write up excluding paul teaching should be tagged non biblical.
Are you elisha's mind to know that method was special for only that cause?

You're misinterpreting the scripture to justify what you believe was said by paul. Paul teachings are good but follow with wisdom not over zealousness, many of his teachings went futher deeper than than those disciples that were even with jesus.

FxMasterz:
To be used as incantations or what? We use the Psalms the way Jesus and the disciples used them. The word of God is one. No portion is more powerful than the other. And there's no special way for using any portion of scripture than to confess them in prayer.

tollyboy5:
You don't need to ask me. Consult those pastors creaming demonic psalm to tell you what they know and point out what is demonic in the bible to you.

tollyboy5:
otipoju really schooled him. He's only using philosophy and apologist concept to defend Pentecostal doctrine.

PrinceDoctor:
Bro. FxMasterz, I've read your arguements on this issue. You've done an excellent work on the scriptural truths you've expounded. I can say that you're balanced in light.

I noticed that some people who are bent on twisting the truth came in, dragged you and turned the flow into fire me, I fire you. You held strong.

In presenting truth to those who think they are in light, we must be very strategic. They will come up with all sorts of claims to deviate focus from the main point. But we must keep the message loud & clear.

They have talked about Old Testament systems, saying that since they were practiced then, they must be practiced now. Ignorance at its peak! They don't know that God's operations are dispensational. Now, God operations are found only in Jesus Christ the Son. Not in Christ, not of God!

Tomorrow, I am writing an article, "Do you know Egypt more than Moses?" I've some nasty experiences with these guys & was even their "executor." I will mention you and others.

Remain in His love, brother.

fijiano202:
God Bless you Sir

PrinceDoctor:
Bro. FxMasterz, I've read your arguements on this issue. You've done an excellent work on the scriptural truths you've expounded. I can say that you're balanced in light.

I noticed that some people who are bent on twisting the truth came in, dragged you and turned the flow into fire me, I fire you. You held strong.

In presenting truth to those who think they are in light, we must be very strategic. They will come up with all sorts of claims to deviate focus from the main point. But we must keep the message loud & clear.

They have talked about Old Testament systems, saying that since they were practiced then, they must be practiced now. Ignorance at its peak! They don't know that God's operations are dispensational. Now, God operations are found only in Jesus Christ the Son. Not in Christ, not of God!

Tomorrow, I am writing an article, "Do you know Egypt more than Moses?" I've some nasty experiences with these guys & was even their "executor." I will mention you and others.

Remain in His love, brother.

FxMasterz:
You should point out the heresy in my write-ups.

Peter approved the writings of Paul perhaps you don't know.

Answer my question: What would a River do for you that the name of Jesus cannot do?

Bizzyman:
They are demonic psalms. Dark occult people have access to it but those psalms are not found in the Bible...That's what he was trying to commhnicate.

Anas09:
That one is worst sef.
On the 23rd of May 1947, there was an eclipse of the sun, Oshoffa was lost in the forest (The Forest of Transformation). When the eclipse cleared, he saw a Snake, a Monkey and a Bird. Suddenly, he heard a voice voice saying Luli', which he understood to mean 'The Grace of Jesus Christ'. The monkey was white, it had two teeth. One up, one down. The monkey had wings, and had legs like that of a Bat.

The bird had yellow feet, yellow beak and a long tail.
The snake was very short (1ft long). He started playing with the short snake afterwards, he felt different. In the inner circle of the CCC, it is believed that the source is Oshoffa's power is from the snake.

Goggle it. It's there in the internet.

FxMasterz:
Baba Adeboye didn't mention any church per say. He only warned against burning candles. David Ibiyhome didn't do well at all. He wasn't supposed to talk like that.

Yes, there are godly white garment churches but they're not well known.

Most of those white garment churches have demonic practices. Burning of candies is demonic. Coloured candles are used in occultism to conjure demons. Candles have no place in Christianity. They use brooms and bath in rivers like the Babalawos do. That's purely unscriptural. But ignorant people would keep defending what they know nothing about.

bunlizlaw:
Oga easy na . This your historical recount isn't true o. As someone who was born in Celestial Church and spent 23 years , this was not the story of how the founder was called. As much as you want to paint a bad picture of the church, try to be truthful about your story.

FxMasterz:
Amen bro. Thanks so much for the prayers.

I'm so excited that you found a biblical white garment student church. I'm overjoyed by your assertion that a revival is already flaming among them and God is separating the shaft from the wheats. That's good news.

The Almighty God who has started the work would finish it in righteousness in Jesus name.