seborrhic:

Nothing one will not read on nland.
Prof.Adeoye Lambo,an economist?
This Tinubu goverment is it's short span has really dealt with some people's brains that they now reason upside down.

He is talking of prof Eyitayo Lambo from kogi state who is health economist. While, prof Adeoye Lambo was a psychiatrist and worked with WHO.

When Tinubu unviel his own ministers the story will change.

FreeStuffsNG:
smh. It's obvious you are not a healthcare professional so no point.

The crisis that the late Elderstatesman Prof Olikoye singlehandedly created in the Nigerian health sector is responsible for the main crisis in the sector today.

Unfortunately, he is no longer alive and since then, it's the Nigerian patient who has since been bearing the brunt of it, not even his family. Perhaps if he had listened then, the problem would not have sank the health sector.

This man was christened as the father of primary health care in Nigeria and you are criticizing him here.

jimter44:


This man was christened as the father of primary health care in Nigeria and you are criticizing him here.

I hope he can mention how late Dr. Olikoye Ransome-Kuti caused the problem. Just maligning a well respected and as accomplish medical practitioner.

He championed Primary Health Care and ordinary on the street to understand it's purpose. I don't know which he was referring to. FreshstuffNG was the one who said Medical practitioners have unresolved rivalry crisis but quick to put blame of the crisis in the health sector on an individual.

FreeStuffsNG:


https://www.vanguardngr.com/2023/07/adeleke-appoints-lawyer-as-health-commissioner/#google_vignette

Hahahaha you put the right picture I swear 🤣😅

Good one!

The state's health sector is poised for a positive turnaround with such appointment.

More governors should replicate that in other states. Such is needed at federal level too


Nigerian physicians through the interference of NMA have proven to be incompetent in leading our health sector!

tatatar:

So because America does it that makes it the standard everywhere?

Yes! That should be the standard. Heads of healthcare institutions and ministries shouldn't be people with parochial professional interests like Nigerian medical doctors. That would not give room for a holistic healthcare delivery.

Besides, what we're practicing in Nigeria is the American standard of healthcare delivery. We need to do that in whole!

joyandfaith:


What did he achieve as health minister? Beko kuti was still the best health minister. Universal health coverage is what you would use to measure performance in heath sector..

Nonsense! Beko Kuti was the worst!

joyandfaith:


Surgeon-general of us public health services is by default a medical doctor. In canada and uk, there is office of chief medical officer of the federation. Nigeria needs such office so that minister of health can be opened to any politician regardless of his or her professional background.

Yes. If they can create the position of surgeon general, fine and good!


But you see positions like ministers and commissioners of health, they must be opened up to non-medical people with advanced trainings in healthcare field. Also, the position of Director of administration of our health institutions should be upgraded to oversee the entire institutions and should also be reserved for non-medical graduates with qualifications in a health-related field, while the position of CMD should be scrapped! We can have directors of medical services, pharmaceutical services, nursing etc from their respective professions all answerable to the hospital administrator.

toprealman:

Imagine what could have been achieved if we used seasoned professionals to do the job. Will you subscribe to a chartered account serving as attorney general of the federation?

All the while we have been using medical doctors as health ministers and commissioners, what have they achieved Apart from conniving with NMA to fight other healthcare professionals thereby dragging the system backwards?

This application is noble and I think other governors and even the president should borrow a leaf from Adeleke.

Heathcare should be like the armed forces where the army, navy, airforce etc fight the same course of protecting the territorial integrity and warding off external aggressors from different standpoints, with no side claiming superiority or blatantly suppressing the others like the Nigerian doctors do when they are given leadership roles.

Housing:


I hope he can mention how late Dr. Olikoye Ransome-Kuti caused the problem. Just maligning a well respected and as accomplish medical practitioner.

He championed Primary Health Care and ordinary on the street to understand it's purpose. I don't know which he was referring to. FreshstuffNG was the one who said Medical practitioners have unresolved rivalry crisis but quick to put blame of the crisis in the health sector on an individual.

Ranson Kuti skewed the salary scale in the health sector in favour of physicians and that act has contributed to bad blood between physicians and healthcare workers. We need unbiased ADMINISTRATORS to lead our health institutions, not someone with any affiliation to NMA before they finish off whatever is left of our health sector.

Jman06:
Nonsense! Beko Kuti was the worst!

Were you even born then? Kuti achieved universal health coverage. No minister has achieved that before and after him. You can argue with your brain.

Jman06:
Yes. If they can create the position of surgeon general, fine and good!


But you see positions like ministers and commissioners of health, they must be opened up to non-medical people with advanced trainings in healthcare field. Also, the position of Director of administration of our health institutions should be upgraded to oversee the entire institutions and should also be reserved for non-medical graduates with qualifications in a health-related field, while the position of CMD should be scrapped! We can have directors of medical services, pharmaceutical services, nursing etc from their respective professions all answerable to the hospital administrator.

As if engineers don't serve as ceo of engineering companies. As if chief justice of a court is not a trained lawyer by default. Nigeria in its present form wouldn’t have non-physcian as ceo. Ceo of some of the largest hospitals and laboratories in the world are medical doctors. Argue!! In the future more physcians who bag multiple degrees in hospital administration, law and accounting. He go shock you.

joyandfaith:

Were you even born then? Kuti achieved universal health coverage. No minister has achieved that before and after him. You can argue with your brain.

Where's the so called universal health coverage today On paper I guess! Most primary and secondary healthcare centers in Nigeria are not working today! So, where is the coverage?

Kuti was the architect of bad blood among different professional groups and physicians in our healthcare institutions. Such rivalry is the reason our healthcare system has remained abysmally poor with dwindling life expectancy of Nigerians!

Jman06:
Where's the so called universal health coverage today On paper I guess! Most primary and secondary healthcare centers in Nigeria are not working today! So, where is the coverage?

Kuti was the architect of bad blood among different professional groups and physicians in our healthcare institutions. Such rivalry is the reason our healthcare system has remained abysmally poor with dwindling life expectancy of Nigerians!

Lambo and nwosu who were not medical doctors destroyed it.
Rivalry is due to corruption in educational system. Some guys couldn't study medicine due to corruption. Reason for the hatred. Rivalry my foot..johesu would come beg doctors for treatment in secret and be hating the same doctors openly.

joyandfaith:


As if engineers don't serve as ceo of engineering companies. As if chief justice of a court is not a trained lawyer by default. Nigeria in its present form wouldn’t have non-physcian as ceo. Ceo of some of the largest hospitals and laboratories in the world are medical doctors. Argue!! In the future more physcians who bag multiple degrees in hospital administration, law and accounting. He go shock you.

Unlike engineering and law, healthcare is a COLLECTIVE responsibility of different professional groups, not only physicians. Since rivalry continuously exist among these professionals, it'll amount to giving an unfair advantage over one group if we continue to appoint leaders solely from that group.

Consequently, healthcare output will continually remain poor! Developed countries understand that problem and that is why they choose leaders who are not one of the key healthcare professionals. That way, there will be a fair ground for the different professionals to thrive which will then translate to better services to the patients.

joyandfaith:


Lambo and nwosu who were not medical doctors destroyed it.
Rivalry is due to corruption in educational system. Some guys couldn't study medicine due to corruption. Reason for the hatred. Rivalry my foot..johesu would come beg doctors for treatment in secret and be hating the same doctors openly.

Nonsense! It is rather the mindset of people like you that has continued to worsen the rivalry! Who told you that all the other professionals were people who wanted to study medicine That is FALLACY!

You must think that you're arguing with some layman. I know many who chose other courses like Pharmacy (even after getting a strong 2:1in the biological sciences) through DE. They chose Pharmacy as first and second choice not because they cannot study medicine but because they have flair for Pharmacy.

Jman06:
Unlike engineering and law, healthcare is a COLLECTIVE responsibility of different professional groups, not only physicians. Since rivalry continuously exist among these professionals, it'll amount to giving an unfair advantage over one group if we continue to appoint leaders solely from that group.

Consequently, healthcare output will continually remain poor! Developed countries understand that problem and that is why they choose leaders who are not one of the key healthcare professionals. That way, there will be a fair ground for the different professionals to thrive which will then translate to better services to the patients.

Law and engineering also need collective efforts. There are different professionals in legal and engineering profession beside lawyers and engineers.

I pray president Tinubu also toes the same path in his choice of minister of health. It'll be the game changer in our desire to build a robust healthcare system.

How I wish he'll be thoughtful enough to appoint a non-physician minister of health to revamp our comatose health sector through sound administration.

Jman06:
Nonsense! It is rather the mindset of people like you that has continued to worsen the rivalry! Who told you that all the other professionals were people who wanted to study medicine That is FALLACY!

You must think that you're arguing with some layman. I know many who chose other courses like Pharmacy (even after getting a strong 2:1in the biological sciences) through DE. They chose Pharmacy as first and second choice not because they cannot study medicine but because they have flair for Pharmacy.

Majority. Pharmacy and nursing are exceptions. Nuahp members are main problems in health sector. Inferiority complex. Doctors don't drag pharmaceutical industry with pharmacists. Even pharmacists are outnumbered in the industry. There are also pharmacologists, microbiologists, biochemists in the industry. Some big pharms in the world are headed by doctors. Doctors cannot even smell ceo of any pharm in Nigeria.

joyandfaith:


Law and engineering also need collective efforts. There are different professionals in legal and engineering profession beside lawyers and engineers.

Different professionals don't practice law, only lawyer do. Engineering comes a bit close in describing the works of the different healthcare professionals. Take for instance, electrical engineers and mechanical engineers employed by the ministry of power for instance enjoy same salary package despite performing different engineering roles in the ministry. Leadership positions are also open to all of them equally, not one set of professionals.

Another illustration of how the health sector should work is when you consider members of the armed forces viz-a-viz the army, navy and airforce. These forces do the same job of protecting the territorial integrity of a country and also warding off external aggressors. Members of the three armed forces have their jobs and jurisdiction spelt out with no group interfering with the jobs of the other. They see themselves as fighting a common goal from different standpoints.

Given that diseases are like a battle faced by humans on earth, why can't the different healthcare professionals fight the battles from their different standpoints without one group usurping or having overbearing attitudes towards other groups.

Jman06:
Different professionals don't practice law, only lawyer do. Engineering comes a bit close in describing the works of the different healthcare professionals. Take for instance, electrical engineers and mechanical engineers employed by the ministry of power for instance enjoy same salary package despite performing different engineering roles in the ministry. Leadership positions are also open to all of them equally, not one set of professionals.

Another illustration of how the health sector should work is when you consider members of the armed forces viz-a-viz the army, navy and airforce. These forces do the same job of protecting the territorial integrity of a country and also warding off external aggressors. Members of the three armed forces have their jobs and jurisdiction spelt out with no group interfering with the jobs of the other. They see themselves as fighting a common goal from different standpoints.

Given that diseases are like a battle faced by humans on earth, why can't the different healthcare professionals fight the battles from their different standpoints without one group usurping or having overbearing attitudes towards other groups.

Who are paralegal professionals? Professional administrators cannnot head court. Professional administrator cannot head hospital. Do you know meaning of allied health professionals? Their job is to assist doctors. Doctors are the heads of medical team. Let pharmacists face their industries. 90% of nurses would continue to follow doctors instruction.
I would love it if johesu can establish their model hospital.

joyandfaith:


Who are paralegal professionals? Professional administrators cannnot head court. Professional administrator cannot head hospital. Do you know meaning of allied health professionals? Their job is to assist doctors. Doctors are the heads of medical team. Let pharmacists face their industries. 90% of nurses would continue to follow doctors instruction.
I would love it if johesu can establish their model hospital.

You continue hammering on Pharmacists should face their industries forgetting that drugs are central to whatever treatment patients receive in any hospital, and that as long as you continue treating patients with drugs, Pharmacists are the only ones permitted by law to dispense drugs to patients and to also monitor how patients are fairing on the drugs. Therefore the roles of Pharmacists in patients' care cannot be overemphasized... Check the roles of Pharmacists in developed countries like US and you 'll see that they have expanded to encompass patients care as much as getting the drugs molecules.

Talking about industries, anybody with funds can own a pharmaceutical industry provided you have Pharmacists working for them. Yes, we may have no doctors working in our pharm industries because there are no jobs requiring their services especially considering that we do little or no researches ( which is where the input of a clinical pharmacologist who is likely a med doctor might be needed). The fact that Pharmacists have multiple places they work does not imply that anybody can usurp their roles in the hospital because their roles are indispensable and protected by law.

I know that some of you medics have the tendency to envy Pharmacists for having such broad coverage of work, but don't forget that the law says that a Pharmacist's license can only hold one job at a time unlike the medics that can use theirs to work multiple jobs at a time. So, stop the envy and concentrate on your medicine.

kad199:
Are Muslims qualified? Abi he should appoint a jihadists.

Okoro crawl to your shithole in anambra. This is SW matters.

Jman06:
Yes! That should be the standard. Heads of healthcare institutions and ministries shouldn't be people with parochial professional interests like Nigerian medical doctors. That would not give room for a holistic healthcare delivery.

Besides, what we're practicing in Nigeria is the American standard of healthcare delivery. We need to do that in whole!

Stop comparing apples to oranges. They run a highly advanced and sophisticated system there that can still function properly even if the head is not all that good.

[Iquote author=clockwisereport post=124543309]Buhari appointed a lawyer as works minister; journalist as minister of education; journalist as minister of sports; medical doctor as minister of labour; lawyer as minister of labour(state); English graduate as minister of Petroleum; English graduate as minister of Transport; [/quote]
Though I am not a supporter of this nonsense APC government, but when you are defending an absurdity, try to use think well.
You are using the Buhari government to defend this unreasonable appointment in Osun state right?
The Buhari government that everyone knew was a disaster.
Are you not aware that, that mistake of putting the square pegs in the round holes contributed immensely to the failure of that government.
Please the next time we want to put up an argument, let us listen to ourselves first

what do you expect from a #dancinggovernor that is supposed to be in showbiz with davido?

tatatar:

So he could appoint a lawyer as health commissioner but he claimed he couldn't find qualified Muslims abi?

Any correlation? Pls, let's talk about real issue.

This is a political appointment and it doesn't matter what field the commissioner is coming from. If we are to follow field of study, only political science graduates will be allowed to govern our state.

Fashola, Aregbe, Festus K and many others are a good example.

The man in question isn't going there to treat patients.

kinyoojo:
[Iquote author=clockwisereport post=124543309]Buhari appointed a lawyer as works minister; journalist as minister of education; journalist as minister of sports; medical doctor as minister of labour; lawyer as minister of labour(state); English graduate as minister of Petroleum; English graduate as minister of Transport;
Though I am not a supporter of this nonsense APC government, but when you are defending an absurdity, try to use think well.
You are using the Buhari government to defend this unreasonable appointment in Osun state right?
The Buhari government that everyone knew was a disaster.
Are you not aware that, that mistake of putting the square pegs in the round holes contributed immensely to the failure of that government.
Please the next time we want to put up an argument, let us listen to ourselves first

Check the history Obasanjo and GEJ and see if this doesn't occur.

Check America, UK and others to see if we don't have things like this.

Check Banks, communication industry or network if you won't find things like this.

joyandfaith:


Surgeon-general of us public health services is by default a medical doctor. In canada and uk, there is office of chief medical officer of the federation. Nigeria needs such office so that minister of health can be opened to any politician regardless of his or her professional background.

Even the surgeon-general is not only for Doctors.
In the USA; Nurses have been appointed on two occasions with the last on been Sylvia Trent-Adams(2017).

Lambo was the Regional Adviser for health sector reforms, health care financing and health in socioeconomic development in the World Health Organization's regional office for Africa from 1990 to 1999.[citation needed]

Although you are very correct as his academic background is in economics having B.Sc n M.Sc in Economics.

FreeStuffsNG:
Well done Gov Adeleke.

It's not compulsory to have a healthcare professional to head the ministry of health. UK, even in the middle of a pandemic had a non-healthcate person lead their health ministry through covid 19 pandemic.

For the health sector in particular, it's a case of a house divided against itself , that's what the Health sector deserves.

Till date, the best period for the health sector was when Pa Obasanjo appointed Prof. Lambo, an Economist, to head the Federal Ministry of Health. He used his independent mind and knowledge to settle most of the issues.

HE Adeleke may be lucky with this idea too. In the health sector, there's so much professional rivalry and I doubt it will end even if you appoint a non-healthcare professional for as long as the professionals don't settle the legions of professional differences. Check my signature for free stuffs!

Jman06:
You continue hammering on Pharmacists should face their industries forgetting that drugs are central to whatever treatment patients receive in any hospital, and that as long as you continue treating patients with drugs, Pharmacists are the only ones permitted by law to dispense drugs to patients and to also monitor how patients are fairing on the drugs. Therefore the roles of Pharmacists in patients' care cannot be overemphasized... Check the roles of Pharmacists in developed countries like US and you 'll see that they have expanded to encompass patients care as much as getting the drugs molecules.

Talking about industries, anybody with funds can own a pharmaceutical industry provided you have Pharmacists working for them. Yes, we may have no doctors working in our pharm industries because there are no jobs requiring their services especially considering that we do little or no researches ( which is where the input of a clinical pharmacologist who is likely a med doctor might be needed). The fact that Pharmacists have multiple places they work does not imply that anybody can usurp their roles in the hospital because their roles are indispensable and protected by law.

I know that some of you medics have the tendency to envy Pharmacists for having such broad coverage of work, but don't forget that the law says that a Pharmacist's license can only hold one job at a time unlike the medics that can use theirs to work multiple jobs at a time. So, stop the envy and concentrate on your medicine.

When would pharmacists allow doctors and non-phatmacists to become CEO of pharmaceutical industries?
When would pharmacists allow doctors and non-phatmacists to open pharmacy store and sell drugs?