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Zigzagman:
no be so dem dey talk am

Dimaya:
The problem with this your assessment is that there have always been prostitutes since the beginning of Nigeria. So you can't say it is because of hardship that girls are into hookups.

Simply put, the barriers to sex work have been removed. There's mobile dating/hookup apps, mobile transport apps, Airbnb and mobile money. These have all eliminated the friction in booking sexual experiences- it is easier for a female student today to meet clients who want hookups than in the past.

That's what's driving the rise.

Gerrard59:
https://www.nairaland.com/6640379/enugu-young-girls-offer-bodies

Sequel to the above thread, it shows the severity of poverty in Nigeria which cuts across all geopolitical zones (Nigeria is not the world’s poverty capital for nothing). However, for Nigerian women to indulge in prostitution as a means to eat/survive, it tells us one thing – Nigerian men have failed their women.


All over the developed world, it is the men not women who made those societies what they are. Whether South Korea, Malaysia, Uruguay, Singapore, Canada etc., the men made them work. Meanwhile, Nigeria – most populous Black Country globally – has her women selling their bodies for basic items such as what to eat and where to sleep. I would not delve into this malaise as a racial one as I do not know how it is for black women in Kenya, Angola, Brazil or the US but the quality of life women enjoy depend on the level of sophistication their men have built their societies into. This is something Nigerian men have failed at and specifically, those above 40 years. These men failed, woefully, to create a society that is functioning, orderly, prosperous, safe and enjoyable for their women. Even for societies that are adjudged as not gender friendly for women (South Korea, UAE and Japan), their women live way more prosperous lives than their Nigerian counterparts.


We have many Nigerian women trading their bodies in Italy, the UAE and parts of Europe but we don’t have similar or even half the proportion of European ladies doing same in Nigeria. How many Italian women have you seen in Allen Avenue or any red-light district in Nigeria? How many South Korean women have you seen selling their bodies in Nigeria? How many Singaporean ladies have you seen/read travel to Nigeria to “hustle”? I am an ardent reader of Singaporean news and not once have I read that Singaporean ladies sell their bodies to pay school fees, to eat or get a job but these things are rampant in Nigeria because unlike Singapore where the likes of Lee Kuan Yew and Co built a prosperous society for them to thrive, Nigerian men of same generation ruined the country. Worse still, their successors exacerbated these issues through wanton corruption and rife ethnic bigotry compared to Lee’s successors who doubled down on his achievements by diversifying Singapore’s economy thereby generating more jobs for their citizens. Same in Japan where women constitute a larger proportion of luxury goods’ consumers because their men have created a prosperous place for them to be able to afford those products. Women of the world's poverty capital can only dream of being major consumers of luxury goods.

Gerrard59:
Aren't the young men shekpe smokers? Yahoo yahoo boys? Chronic alcohol drinkers?

BTW, which data did they get that made them believe most spinsters are hookup babes or single moms?

When their mates in East Asian countries are working hard to run functioning societies, black monkeys in West Africa always look for opportunities to downgrade their women as if they are hotcakes to foreign young ladies. That was the mendacious tale these donkeys peddled until the UK opened borders and they realised how ugly and undesirable they were.

Useless people!

Dimaya:
This is one very confusing post. Did you watch the video in which the girl in red said 80% of the female students in her school were into hookups.


The video isn't castigating women, but providing practical counsel on appropriate mate selection strategies.

Cheers

Gerrard59:
Sequel to these threads (https://www.nairaland.com/7678352/hookup-culture-nigeria-bad-even/1#122971617; https://www.nairaland.com/7680544/what-caused-hookup-culture/5#123045490) where Nairalanders, mostly males, keep complaining about the rise of hookup in Nigeria. I thought it pertinent to outline solutions that will REDUCE, not stop the trend.

The demand for sex by men is rising and consistent. As long as men crave sex and women are the only suppliers, nothing can be done. For hookups to reduce, Nigerian men should reduce their insatiable quest to have sex with random women. It is like having a department where male lecturers don’t do engage in sex for grades, ladies who are open to such will be forced to read their books whether they like it or not. Men create the system and women integrate into it. To buttress this, when women who have been doing hook-up attain 30+ years, there is a declining demand for their services because sexual service is tied to age and how young a woman is. As a result, she is either forced to retire or accept lower fees. This is because her customers – all men – have either stopped patronising her or are offering less cash. The men control the system.

It is a biological fact (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22552705/#:~:text=Sexual) for men to yearn for sex more than women. Women are literally the only people who can quench this thirst. Some will say it is because of greed, but c’mon! If you own something which is in high demand that is not regulated nor banned by the government, are you saying you won’t charge prices for it? Remember, this demand is consistent and persistent.

But errm, hook-up is the same with yahoo yahoo or drugs trading.

That is not true. Cybercrime, like the name implies, is a crime in almost every part of the world. Some governments legalise sex work and even offer health care services and tax them. But no government has legalised defrauding people online. This is because policymakers realise that sex is a natural phenomenon in which humans and animals indulge. You cannot outlaw people having sex. It is not possible. Even in conservative Dubai (https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2023/01/05/women-in-the-middle-east-are-leading-a-revolt-against-prudish-men), women are going behind the corners to import intimacy gadgets. The government by law bans it, but does not arrest those who import it. But try importing guns into the country and see the government’s reaction. Dealing with hard drugs is not a natural concept for humans. It is acquired, so governments ban it or regulate it tightly compared to sex work.

For instance, in Geylang, Singapore, young women mostly from China engage in hookups under regulation from the Singaporean government. But if you transport drugs to Singapore, you get the death penalty, no ifs or buts. Japan has the second biggest porn industry globally, but you will be arrested, denied a lawyer for 21 days and detained or deported if you transport drugs into the country. The UAE restricted Nigerians’ entry, mostly men. The UAE would rather have Nigerian girls doing hookups in Dubai than her men committing cybercrime. There has not been a break-in by the Emirati police to arrest hookers compared to bursting cyber criminals.

Gerrard59:
The OP and his cohorts are focused on woman toto but not the pen!s which enters it. One begins to wonder, do these women fvck themselves?

Honestly, you people are foolish, useless and stoopid. The day una ever get sense, the world would end.

Don't go and prepare for Monday trekking and Bet9ja. Keep doing CCTV for woman vagina.

Useless men!!!

Gerrard59:
Any idiot can spew rubbish stat. Ask that donkey where and how she got 80%, she will enter voicemail. If you people want hookup to reduce, ensure the economy grows. As long as the economy deteriorates, HOOKUP MUST CONTINUE WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!

BTW, the brostitutes in Nigeria don't deserve virgins. They must marry the ashawos they groomed.

Zigzagman:
With the current financial difficulties in Nigeria, everyone is struggling to make ends meet. This is affecting the dating pool as now more girls are being lured into hookup out of survival.

The Young men on the podcast discuss the dilemma they face with selecting a good girl from the current shark-infested dating pools filled with hookup girls and single moms

So, nairalanders- over to you. Are you faced with a similar dilemma? Why?

And if you're married, how would you advice the young men to proceed?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v-PXdeL2tc

Gerrard59:
The OP and his cohorts are focused on woman toto but not the pen!s which enters it. One begins to wonder, do these women fvck themselves?

Honestly, you people are foolish, useless and stoopid. The day una ever get sense, the world would end.

Don't go and prepare for Monday trekking and Bet9ja. Keep doing CCTV for woman vagina.

Useless men!!!

Kelechi009:
You were just defending yourself a while ago, now you have come out purely.

People can always whine about hookup; it has never been a problem. Your argument is that Western men are more intellectual in this area and that Nigerian guys are more backward in their mentality, which drives this hookup behaviour. So I believe it to be a slave master mentality, therefore I gave you the demographic and Onlyfans statistics because I'd rather do that than debate needlessly. I agree with some of your arguments that men place demands on prostitutes for it continue, but you seem to have forgotten that prostitution is a quick way to make money as long as it is legal.

My points are (a) You cannot get rid of prostitution, you can only modernise it. (b) Women engage in prostitution because it pays well and makes their lives easier, not just because men want them to. Win-win situation for customers and producers alike.

efficiencie:
Bro, hear the words of the wise. How can you fish in a pond with a hook, link and sinker and expect to catch a shark? If you are always seeing hookers and single mothers then change where you look. There will always be virgins for those who desire them and know where to find them.

Gerrard59:
The OP and his cohorts are focused on woman toto but not the pen!s which enters it. One begins to wonder, do these women fvck themselves?

Honestly, you people are foolish, useless and stoopid. The day una ever get sense, the world would end.

Don't go and prepare for Monday trekking and Bet9ja. Keep doing CCTV for woman vagina.

Useless men!!!

Gerrard59:
It is the rate that has increased due to the economic situation. Dating apps exist in Malaysia, South Korea, Japan and Singapore, but the rate of hookup in those countries is very low because the economic situation is good for them. They earn money from plentiful jobs available in the economy. These jobs don't put up barriers of sex-for-jobs because of the penalties such acts incur. I have preached this thing for you people, but excessive trekking won't allow una brain to fully develop to grasp it.

Wahalai! The majority of young men in Nigeria are too unintelligent. If I was a woman residing in Nigeria, I wouldn't marry.

Zigzagman:
na u dey foolish. foolish woman wrappa. how man go dey dere make pant dey wear am.
woman dey tell una say all poly girl dey sell toto, u dey here dey Yan okpata.

Chineke na kpo gi!

Dimaya:
There are prostitutes in every economy. Same way there's crime in developed countries. The conversation is the selection pool of wives. A colleague had a survey done of sexual activity in Nigerian universities. In the double blind study done, only one out of a thousand female respondents was not sexually active compared to almost 500 males not being.

Sex is easier for women to get. And it's not all men who are having the most sex, it's just the top 5% of men.

You can get angry, throw out insults, but this is the selection pool available. I'm not the originator of these ideas, I'm just passing the information along. Do with it what you must.

But really, I think you need to get your anger issues checked out. Don't worry things will turn out well for you. You'll end well. Your life matters. It matters so much, I had to take time out of my schedule to type a response to you.

Have a great afternoon

Gerrard59:
In Nigeria, the argument is that prostitution is illegal. But that applies only to Northern Nigeria, where Sharia is practiced (https://sabilaw.org/the-legality-of-prostitution-in-nigeria/). However, the same people who castigate hookups will never relocate to the North to live.

This brings me to the next solution: social engineering. If you want the women in your society to be chaste, it is your responsibility as the men in that society to insist on certain moral standards. It is why young ladies in the North do not openly practise hookup compared to the South. Even in the south, some regions are "morally" stricter than others. It is the men who set the standards. Recently on Facebook, in one of the states in the south, I read that husbands or older men sleep with secondary school girls who just finished WASSCE/SSCE. When you do so while your northern counterpart marries the same girl, you tell that girl in your society that she can charge for sex. Meanwhile, her contemporary in the north knows that for sex to happen, there has to be commitment aka marriage.

P.S. Sex is not free. You pay at a point.

Another is poverty. The poorer a society is, the greater the number of women engaging in hook-ups. Women are demisexual, but when push comes to shove, they resort to sex work. Because there is a demand. Patronising sex workers is cheaper in poor countries compared to rich nations. The common theme here (https://www.nairaland.com/7496716/what-exactly-does-one-enjoy) was that sex is cheap in Nigeria. But ask your paddies whether patronising sex workers in Canada is cheap, and hear/read their responses. The solution is to ensure your society becomes very prosperous. In return, your women will have fewer reasons to engage in hook-ups. Fewer reasons because even in prosperous societies, hook-ups still exists. Because, remember, sex is natural. There is a demand, and demand doesn’t exist in a vacuum. Unfortunately, Nigerian men have not been able to create a prosperous society (https://www.nairaland.com/6643241/nigerian-men-failed-women).

P.S. No prosperous country had women at the forefront of development.

Gerrard59:
So because she said all poly girls abi 80% of them are into runs, I should believe it? How did she come about that figure? If a foreigner says 80% of young Nigerian men are fraudsters without citing a reputable source, how does that sound to you?

Zigzagman:
If a Nigerian living in the Bronx tells the police that 80% of his neighbours (fellow Nigerians) are drug dealers, do you advise the police to discount it?

what kind of logic be dis? you're comparing apples and pineapples. if you watch the video till the end she gives specifics. citing that in her engineering class of men filled with 14 girls, only two girls aren't selling sex for money.

old man, the present generation of girls no be like your own o

Kelechi009:
The dude already has his mind made up, you can draw up a thousand facts to show him with reference points & he will still not budge.

Kelechi009:
The dude already has his mind made up, you can draw up a thousand facts to show him with reference points & he will still not budge.

qtguru:
But sincerely there's dateable women it's just that must mask their true self on social media.

I'd still take a Nigerian woman over a foreigner. There are good women

Zigzagman:
if you're a single guy, how old are you?

Zigzagman:
If a Nigerian living in the Bronx tells the police that 80% of his neighbours (fellow Nigerians) are drug dealers, do you advise the police to discount it?

what kind of logic be dis? you're comparing apples and pineapples. if you watch the video till the end she gives specifics. citing that in her engineering class of men filled with 14 girls, only two girls aren't selling sex for money.

old man, the present generation of girls no be like your own o

qtguru:
Old about to marry

Dimaya:
That's why I left him alone yesterday. I even quoted your writeup on his thread, the dude no budge. Guess he's one of those old-timers in their sixties who thinks the world of his daughters, oblivious to the harm sex for money is causing to Nigerian relationships

Kelechi009:
The dude already has his mind made up, you can draw up a thousand facts to show him with reference points & he will still not budge.

Gerrard59:
There is this thing I really hate about Nigerian men.

They are so poor, unintelligent, stoopid, foolish, unexposed, bloody riff-riffas, modafvckers, wretched, half-baked educated morons whose greatest achievement is dangling their smelly, flaccid and stench-filled preek along the road shouting alfa meil, alfa meil, alfa meil WITHOUT DEVELOPING THEIR SOCIETY! These cretins will, and have, never lampooned the men who patronise these girls. Never have they done so!

Your men, rich men, fly these girls abroad just to fvck just like almost every man in other places across the world. The difference is that those men have built functioning societies that if the matter gets out of hand, they have the moral right to lampoon their women for being too sexually free. The women, in turn, will either change for the better or keep being sexually free according to the standards of their men. But the monkeys in West Africa who have never experienced constant electricity since they came into this world believe that the best thing they can do is to police the vagina of women. The same vaginas rich men in the same society pay thousands, if not millions to access. These modafvckers and donkeys will never call out their men for not ensuring Nigeria gets prosperous. These baboons will suck a politician's preek who rather spend money to ensure his healthcare system is OK, run to the UK to do a kidney transplant. These idiots, rather than thinking of how to solve the perennial traffic problems or high mortality rates or pervasive insecurity, are more interested in the dating market.

Due to how stoopid these animals are, they don't know that when a society is very poor, the women resort to selling their bodies TO RICH MEN for money. The solution is to ensure that society gets prosperous. And even at that, there will still be women who will do hook-up because there is constant and increasing demand for sex by men due to the hormone- testosterone. The average man globally likes to fvck because of that hormone. But these bastards whose greatest achievement is doing CCTV for woman's vagina stood by the window during their economics and biology classes in secondary school. Assuming they even had classes and the money was not used to ensure the likes of Sonia and Seyi enjoy their lives in London.

Foolish men! I spit on your faces! Frustrated idiots!

Gerrard59:
Why should I budge? How come Northern men don't complain about the same issue? Why is it only men in the South that do? Why are you people not targeting the men who fund these girls? Are these girls paying themselves 100K per night for sex? We have men here on Nairaland, TwitterNG and Instagram who defend yahoo yahoo activities but forget the same cybercriminals are taking away their so-called girlfriends. Why don't you people tackle the problem from there?

You lots should focus on social engineering the way it is in the north and/or poverty alleviation. Women on their own are demisexual aka they don't like having sex with different men. They need an emotional connection to do so. But as condition don make crayfish bend, it is money for hand, back for ground. You don't like such a system? Make your society rich and stop doing CCTV inside woman toto!

It is irritating at this point that the major point of concern for black men in West Africa is policing their women's vaginas rather than building a functioning society.

Shame no dey catch una?

Gerrard59:
Why should I budge? How come Northern men don't complain about the same issue? Why is it only men in the South that do? Why are you people not targeting the men who fund these girls? Are these girls paying themselves 100K per night for sex? We have men here on Nairaland, TwitterNG and Instagram who defend yahoo yahoo activities but forget the same cybercriminals are taking away their so-called girlfriends. Why don't you people tackle the problem from there?

You lots should focus on social engineering the way it is in the north and/or poverty alleviation. Women on their own are demisexual aka they don't like having sex with different men. They need an emotional connection to do so. But as condition don make crayfish bend, it is money for hand, back for ground. You don't like such a system? Make your society rich and stop doing CCTV inside woman toto!

It is irritating at this point that the major point of concern for black men in West Africa is policing their women's vaginas rather than building a functioning society.

Shame no dey catch una?