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AdisaOwala:
At the start of his tenure, Moyes was practically interested in Fellaini and Baines only - he got the Belgian and Mata (during the January TW) for a combined fee of about 60m - a lot of money as at 2013 before he got booted out after 10months...




The following players were signed during Mourinho's Regime...

1. Romeu Lukaku

2. Eric Bailey

3. Zlatan Ibrahimovic

3. Henrik Mikytarian

4. Alexis Sanchez

5. Paul Pogba

6. Victor Lindelof

7. Diego Dalot

8. Fred

9. Nemanja Matic

Total cost of about 370m



The following players were signed during Ole's regime..

1. Bruno Fernandes

2. Edison Cavani

3. Cristiano Ronaldo

4. Aaron Wan Bissaka

5. Jaydon Sancho

6. Dan James

7. Harry Maguire

8. Raphael Varane

9. Amad Diallo

Total cost is about 440m


Man UTD signings under LVG

1. Memphis Depay

2. Anthony Martial

3. Angel Di Maria

4. Marcos Rojo

5. Luke Shaw

6. Morgan Schnerderlin

7. Sergio Romero

8. Victor Valdez

9.Ander Herrera

10. Radamel Falcao

11. Matteo Darmian

12. Bastian Schweinsteiger

Total spend is about 290m

All these players were gotten with the full approval of the respective managers at the helm of affairs..

As stated earlier, there is no perfect system anywhere.

Even the Bayern Munichs, Citys, Real Madrids etc haven't always gotten the exact players they wanted at every point in time.

We can continue to blame the top management all we want but the records are there for all to see...

When the players fail to live up to their hype, they blame the board. The board may not be as swift as we like but those guys spend a lot of money. The records are there for everyone to see

eph12:
When the players fail to live up to their hype, they blame the board. The board may not be as swift as we like but those guys spend a lot of money. The records are there for everyone to see

For me, I think the major fault with the board is that for whatever reasons, they haven't managed to get it right with the managers they hire.We hope ETH proves to be an exception

In terms of support, it would be hypocritical to say that they haven't done enough.

This is even a board that gives managers 100% free hand to recruit players with virtually zero intervention.

Oh well - it's easier to say "Glazier out" without carefully analysing the situation with available facts

Some would even say the huge investments are the Glazier's way of laundering money

Smh

AdisaOwala:
For me, I think the major fault with the board is that for whatever reasons, they haven't managed to get it right with the managers they hire.We hope ETH proves to be an exception

In terms of support, it would be hypocritical to say that they haven't done enough.

This is even a board that gives managers 100% free hand to recruit players with virtually zero intervention.

Oh well - it's easier to say "Glazier out" without carefully analysing the situation with available facts

I share same sentiment. I think I have mentioned this before. We tend to hire managers without considering style of play or long term. I think its now they're trying to do that after watching city take over the EPL. We have always hired managers with different philosophies. From Moyes to Van Gaal to Mourinho to Ole.

For me, the boards fault have always been lack of direction, handing out contracts like father christmas. These two have played a major role in why we have struggled these past years. But when you accuse the board of not spending money, I don't think that's correct. Maybe they can be accused of overspending inappropriately.

eph12:
For me, the boards fault have always been lack of direction, handing out contracts like father christmas. These two have played a major role in why we have struggled these past years. But when you accuse the board of not spending money, I don't think that's correct

While this is rather unfortunate, I think it's still better than giving managers the excuse of "ah, the Glaziers no wan spend money, na why we fail"

AdisaOwala:
While this is rather unfortunate, I think it's still better than giving managers the excuse of "ah, the Glaziers no wan spend money, na why we fail"

yes it is

Leyqute:
Why did Pep sign Haaland and Graelish for 100m after winning the league? Why didn’t he use his old team to achieve the same thing?

Or is Fellaini of the same quality as Haaland or Graelish?

Mind you, Pep didn’t just join City when he made these signings.

Why did Zidane buy only Morata after winning the UCL

odizeey:
Why did Zidane buy only Morata after winning the UCL

Real Madrid have been pursuing Mbappe and at some point,prime Degea plus other players for sometime, yet the failure to get those players didn't stop them from dominating Europe with the alternative players they got.

We still dey here dey blame board for not getting Magwaya on time.

It is well

AdisaOwala:
Real Madrid have been pursuing Mbappe and at some point,prime Degea plus other players for sometime, yet the failure to get those players didn't stop them from dominating Europe with the alternative players they got.

We still dey here dey blame board for not getting Magwaya on time.

It is well

I just dey laugh. We can blame the board for every and anything but spending is not one of them.

odizeey:


I just dey laugh. We can blame the board for every and anything but spending is not one of them.

I remember when Moyes was hired, his mandate was to qualify the recently crowned PL champions for CL....

Them no say make e challenge for PL immediately o - they just asked him to qualify for CL and he failed miserably.

I think their being too supportive was even the issue here

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12924791/rasmus-hojlund-manchester-united-agree-72m-deal-with-atalanta-for-denmark-forward

ETH is not known for signing good strikers. I mean for someone who felt Weghorst was good enough.

How far with Amrabat? Any hope of signing a defender? With latest acquisition,how will u rate us in terms of trophies dis new season?odizey afrodoc2, leyqute, eph , ellexy etc

Antony €95m
Casemiro €70m
Mount €65m
Martinez €57m
Onana €52m
Malacia €15m
Hojlund €85m

Total €439m

AdisaOwala:
At the start of his tenure, Moyes was practically interested in Fellaini and Baines only - he got the Belgian and Mata (during the January TW) for a combined fee of about 60m - a lot of money as at 2013 before he got booted out after 10months...



The following players were signed during Mourinho's Regime...

1. Romeu Lukaku

2. Eric Bailey

3. Zlatan Ibrahimovic

3. Henrik Mikytarian

4. Alexis Sanchez

5. Paul Pogba

6. Victor Lindelof

7. Diego Dalot

8. Fred

9. Nemanja Matic

Total cost of about 370m



The following players were signed during Ole's regime..

1. Bruno Fernandes

2. Edison Cavani

3. Cristiano Ronaldo

4. Aaron Wan Bissaka

5. Jaydon Sancho

6. Dan James

7. Harry Maguire

8. Raphael Varane

9. Amad Diallo

Total cost is about 440m



Man UTD signings under LVG

1. Memphis Depay

2. Anthony Martial

3. Angel Di Maria

4. Marcos Rojo

5. Luke Shaw

6. Morgan Schnerderlin

7. Sergio Romero

8. Victor Valdez

9.Ander Herrera

10. Radamel Falcao

11. Matteo Darmian

12. Bastian Schweinsteiger

Total spend is about 290m

All these players were gotten with the full approval of the respective managers at the helm of affairs..

As stated earlier, there is no perfect system anywhere.

Even the Bayern Munichs, Citys, Real Madrids etc haven't always gotten the exact players they wanted at every point in time.

We can continue to blame the top management all we want but the records are there for all to see...

There are so many erroneous assumptions in this long post you typed.

Firstly, Moyes was never interested in Fellaini and Baines alone. He also wanted to buy Toni Kroos. Kroos himself admitted this in several interviews afterwards.

Gareth Bale was another name on his list. But both of those players went on to join Real Madrid eventually. Even Fabregas was on his list.

Getting this glaring fact wrong speaks volumes about your bias.

And that’s just one window. If we wanted Mata that summer and didn’t get him, I don’t know what he can come and do in January when the team’s confidence has been knackered and we’re around the bottom half of the table.

2. Listing the players each manager signed in their tenure is misleading. It doesn’t tell us the needs in the team and if that need was met. It only tells us that the club splashed money on so and so.

Let us know who was signed in which window. That’s the only way to know IF the top management ALWAYS backed their managers.

Else, a transfer window where Fred was the only major signing (for an unbelievable 50m), and Mourinho was crying every week for a new defender would be deemed successful.

obonujoker:
Antony €95m
Casemiro €70m
Mount €65m
Martinez €57m
Onana €52m
Malacia €15m
Hojlund €85m

Total €439m

AKA open heart surgery.

odizeey:
Why did Zidane buy only Morata after winning the UCL

Why didn’t Zidane buy just one player after he joined Madrid?

eph12:
For me, the boards fault have always been lack of direction, handing out contracts like father christmas. These two have played a major role in why we have struggled these past years. But when you accuse the board of not spending money, I don't think that's correct. Maybe they can be accused of overspending inappropriately.

The lack of direction is why they spend heavily unnecessarily (Lukaku, Antony, etc) AND also penny pinch when they should be investing heavily in the team.

They usually go limp in the TW after we qualify for the UCL. (There’s enough facts to back this up)

I could say this is the first time they’d back a manager in his 2nd or 3rd season in years and I wouldn’t be far from the truth. The last manager that enjoyed this benefit was LvG.

Leyqute:
Why didn’t Zidane buy just one player after he joined Madrid?

Which player did he buy after he joined?

Joined January.
Next season sign one player.
Upper season signed two.

Talk another one.

AdisaOwala:
I remember when Moyes was hired, his mandate was to qualify the recently crowned PL champions for CL....

Them no say make e challenge for PL immediately o - they just asked him to qualify for CL and he failed miserably.

I think their being too supportive was even the issue here

Afrodoc2 did you watch the U21 game? Emeran, Shoretire, and Oyedele featured. They lost 2-0

odizeey:
Which player did he buy after he joined?

Joined January.
Next season sign one player.
Upper season signed two.

Talk another one.

Stop trying to be clever by half.

How many players did he chase and didn’t get?

You think Madrid are like United that don’t have a direction in the transfer window. Lol.

Leyqute:
Stop trying to be clever by half.

How many players did he chase and didn’t get?

You think Madrid are like United that don’t have a direction in the transfer window. Lol.

Clever by what half?

It's obvious you don't even have solid understanding of things.

You said Pep bought this and that after winning EPL. I asked you how many Zidane bought after winning the UCL and you are foaming in the mouth.

Leyqute:
There are so many erroneous assumptions in this long post you typed.

Firstly, Moyes was never interested in Fellaini and Baines alone. He also wanted to buy Toni Kroos. Kroos himself admitted this in several interviews afterwards.

Eveningnews:
Everything looked to be in place for Kroos to make his way to United during the summer of 2014, when the midfielder would of course help Germany to lift their fourth World Cup. The move fell through though when Moyes was sacked in April.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/kroos-manchester-united-failed-transfer-23857637.amp

As at that time, David Moyes was tasked with the assignment of qualifying the current PL champions for the CL. He wasn't asked to challenge for the PL immediately o. Top four was the target set for a team that just won the PL yet he failed miserably and was kicked out before he could sign Kroos.

How is that the board's fault?

Leyqute:
Gareth Bale was another name on his list. But both of those players went on to join Real Madrid eventually.

Moyes has responded to this....

David Moyes:
"I spoke to Gareth Bale a couple of times. He had his heart set on going to Real Madrid, we tried to change it. We tried to convince him but we couldn't do so. We offered more money to Tottenham at that time."

The club offered more money for Bale but his mind was already made up to join the Most successful/Prestigious club in the world - a scenario that's not unfamiliar..

Na Madrid we dey talk here

Leyqute:
Even Fabregas was on his list.

Below is Moyes' response...

David Moyes:
Cesc Fabregas, who I spoke to on the phone several times, was not sure of his place in the Barcelona team. I remember him saying to me 'if I don't start the first game at Barcelona then I'll definitely be looking to join you' and he started the first game at Barcelona,".

Leyqute:
Getting this glaring fact wrong speaks volumes about your bias.

With all the facts above, it's your prejudice that's glaring for all to see!

P.S : those interviews took place ages after he left the club - he was in a prime position to slander the board but the enormous support he got wouldn't allow him speak without conscience.

As I said earlier, Leighton Baines and Fellaini were the practical transfer targets Moyes had - There were other realistic ones he coulda settled for but he wasn't serious.

Stop blaming the board for other people's failures!!

Leyqute:
2. Listing the players each manager signed in their tenure is misleading. It doesn’t tell us the needs in the team and if that need was met. It only tells us that the club splashed money on so and so.

It clearly tells us that the managers got the players they asked for during the their respective tenures.

Leyqute:
Let us know who was signed in which window. That’s the only way to know IF the top management ALWAYS backed their managers.

Irrelevant to the discussion at hand...

You have been presented with the transfer scorecard of the club under numerous managers - deal with it!

So people still believe when we blame the Glazers it's about transfers?

Poor wage bill structure: Slapping huge wages on everybody for no reason. Lingard, De Gea, Martial, Rashford. They increased Bruno's wages when he still had 3 years left. Last season there were rumours they wanted to increase Martinez's wages for no real reason only 6 months after he joined.

Poor facilities from the training facilities to the stadium itself.

Lack of football culture at the club compared to other clubs. On their watch we've been more focused on vibes than challenging for serious trophies. Top 4 became good enough to call a season a success and any manager who didn't make top 4 or wasn't going to make top4 got sacked immediately.

Let's not forget their lack of proactiveness the two times Pep was available and they could have signed him

And the situation is even worse with the womens' team.

odizeey:
Clever by what half?

It's obvious you don't even have solid understanding of things.

You said Pep bought this and that after winning EPL. I asked you how many Zidane bought after winning the UCL and you are foaming in the mouth.

There's no need to throw insults unnecessarily. It's quite immature.

Pep won the league and was not satisfied with his team. Then hr went to buy Graelish for 100m. He did the same thing with Haaland. Did Man City board deny him of those signings?

No.

Now, you're bringing Zidane into the matter, as if Madrid has a reputation of not backing their managers.

Did Zidane believe his team was incomplete and wanted an important addition and Perez failed to buy it for him? Is it not the same Madrid that buys players even before the season ends?

If you don't have knowledge and understanding, ask for it. No need to be hyperventilating like 100L girl wey offend cultist.

Leyqute:
Afrodoc2 did you watch the U21 game? Emeran, Shoretire, and Oyedele featured. They lost 2-0

Kai i didn't. I am still mourning the beating Bud Crawford gave my guy Errol Spence. Beat him up like he stole his SIM card.

AdisaOwala:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/kroos-manchester-united-failed-transfer-23857637.amp

As at that time, David Moyes was tasked with the assignment of qualifying the current PL champions for the CL. He wasn't asked to challenge for the PL immediately o. Top four was the target set for a team that just won the PL yet he failed miserably and was kicked out before he could sign Kroos.

How is that the board's fault?

Lol.

Did Joel Glazer whisper this to you in a dream?

Manager says he wants to buy Kroos, you're saying he has no business wanting Kroos because he was tasked with UCL qualification.

No be awawi be that?

You said Fellaini and Baines were the two targets he wanted which was wrong. I disproved your lie and you're coming up with new things that aren't even part of the discussion.

Wetin concern agbero with overload?

Moyes has responded to this....



The club offered more money for Bale but his mind was already made up to join the European Giants - a scenario that's not unfamiliar..

Na Madrid we dey talk here

Below is Moyes' response...


With all the facts above, it's your prejudice that's glaring for all to see!

There were other realistic targets Moyes coulda settled for but he wasn't serious.

P.S : those interviews took place ages after he left the club - he was in a prime position to slander the board but the enormous support he got wouldn't allow him speak without conscience.

Stop blaming the board for other people's failures!!



It clearly tells us that the managers got the players they asked for during the their respective tenures.



Irrelevant to the discussion at hand...

You have been presented with the transfer scorecard of the club under numerous managers - deal with it!

You argued that the United top management ALWAYS supported their coaches every transfer window. (Which is wrong).

I don't know why you think totalling transfer spends over the years and slapping the figure in front of us proves that. That's primary school erroneous thinking.

Unless you break things down into a per transfer window basis, you can't prove what you alleged.

Asserting otherwise exposes your bias.

Lana1:
So people still believe when we blame the Glazers it's about transfers?

Poor wage bill structure: Slapping huge wages on everybody for no reason. Lingard, De Gea, Martial, Rashford. They increased Bruno's wages when he still had 3 years left. Last season there were rumours they wanted to increase Martinez's wages for no real reason only 6 months after he joined.

Poor facilities from the training facilities to the stadium itself.

Lack of football culture at the club compared to other clubs. On their watch we've been more focused on vibes than challenging for serious trophies. Top 4 became good enough to call a season a success and any manager who didn't make top 4 or wasn't going to make top4 got sacked immediately.

Let's not forget their lack of proactiveness the two times Pep was available and they could have signed him

And the situation is even worse with the womens' team.

Lol. Problems plenty for ground.

And I'm only even disputing the fact that they ALWAYS backed their managers when it's glaring that they only bring out their purse and invest unnecessarily heavily whenever we didn't make top four the previous season.

afrodoc2:
Kai i didn't. I am still mourning the beating Bud Crawford gave my guy Errol Spence. Beat him up like he stole his SIM card.

Lol.

Ndo o. I didn't watch either. Only saw highlights of the fight.

The guy panelbeat him face anyhow. Is it that Crawford's punches are heavier or that Spence's skin is too soft?

Leyqute:
Lol.

Ndo o. I didn't watch either. Only saw highlights of the fight.

The guy panelbeat him face anyhow. Is it that Crawford's punches are heavier or that Spence's skin is too soft?

If you ask me na who i go ask.

engrelvis:
How far with Amrabat? Any hope of signing a defender? With latest acquisition,how will u rate us in terms of trophies dis new season?odi.zey afrod.oc2, leyq.ute, eph , ell.exy etc

Chelsea just signed Axel Disasi. He and Kim Min Jae (who has gone to Bayern) are the two targets I know that EtH wanted to buy (to replace Maguire, I suppose). I think there's a third name but Im not sure about that.

Amrabat might be our last signing of the window. ETH worked with him at Utrecht, so I'm certain he wants him- even though he might not be a core part of the plan.

I think we've done well this transfer window (better than last season's) but it isn't until we start playing games before we'll know if we'll be successful.

I think we'll make top four at least. We'll also qualify from UCL group stage if we arent grouped with two big teams. That's the minimum. I don't really care about FA and Carabao in this moment.

If I'm being hopeful, I'd say we'd challenge for the title and then reach the UCL semis. But I'm not even hopeful, cos it's Man Utd and ETH can start moving mad any time.

eph12:
Pep didn't buy Haaland and Graelish same season. Pep's target was the champions league. Moyes didn't have that target.

Moyes didn't want to win the league or UCL with Man Utd? How shocking.

That's probably why he played his team B in the group stages and failed to qualify for the knockout stages.