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jaephoenix:
Lemme rephrase….
Someone makes a claim that a warmhole Dragon exist, it's a claim. Nobody is saying "no I don't believe it" in science. Every astrophysicist human is either working to find evidence for it or against it. Until either of it surfaces, it will be stupid to say that you don't believe in warmholes Dragon(s).

Does this sound familiar?

NB: This your warmhole thingy is getting me all hornyyy. I wonder why

The thing is so clear yet this fools don’t get it, they are stucked with the word “god”, that’s why i call them theist sympathizers.

jaephoenix:
But your fellow agnostics say my precious Dragon is bullshit and a 'non-starter'. But I'm dead sure its swirling on your head right now

Well, I don't know.

jaephoenix:
Lemme rephrase….
Someone makes a claim that a warmhole Dragon exist, it's a claim. Nobody is saying "no I don't believe it" in science. Every astrophysicist human is either working to find evidence for it or against it. Until either of it surfaces, it will be stupid to say that you don't believe in warmholes Dragon(s).

Does this sound familiar?

NB: This your warmhole thingy is getting me all hornyyy. I wonder why

So they are saying that they know right that warmholes exist?

Evidence is knowledge, if there's no evidence then no knowledge.
They don't have to say it that they don't know, whether or not they say it l, if evidence for or against warmholes don't exist, they don't know it.

Atheism is odd, it's like theism

Workch:
They don't have to say it that they don't know, whether or not they say it l, if evidence for or against warmholes don't exist, they don't know it.

Atheism is odd, it's like theism

Atheism don’t “believe” in gods.

It has nothing to do with what you are saying.

Workch:
So they are saying that they know right that warmholes exist?

Evidence is knowledge, if there's no evidence then no knowledge.
They don't have to say it that they don't know, whether or not they say it l, if evidence for or against warmholes don't exist, they don't know it.

Atheism is odd, it's like theism

But you and your agnostic gang were quick to dismiss my claims of existence of the dragon. You didn't do any research whatsoever. Not even a question about its properties or attributes. You dumped all of it into the trash can. I feel hurt

I was going to ask someone to provide evidence against the Leprechaun sitting on my shoulder. Then the Leprechaun said, “that is fucking retarded; why would you ask someone to provide “evidence against”, shouldn’t you be the one providing evidence that I’m sitting on your shoulder?!”

KnownUnknown:
I was going to ask someone to provide evidence against the Leprechaun sitting on my shoulder. Then the Leprechaun said, “that is fucking retarded; why would you ask someone to provide “evidence against”, shouldn’t you be the one providing evidence that I’m sitting on your shoulder?!”

Very apt.
Especially if its a supreme being. Its evidence would be too glaring to miss, it would be everywhere. So there would be no excuse to deny its existence

KnownUnknown:
Then the Leprechaun said, “that is fucking retarded; why would you ask someone to provide “evidence against”, shouldn’t you be the one providing evidence that I’m sitting on your shoulder?!”

And the dummy says you have to demonstrate the “evidence against” through practical experiment 😂

You know, as a physician, I get many patients telling me they hear from gods, and that they see and walk with them always. We usually slap labels of schizophrenia, delirium tremens etc on them and put such patients on antipsychotics and sometimes for extreme therapies.
Oddly enough, that's exactly what many pastors and Christians claim: see God, talk and walk with him etc. But the same physicians and psychiatrists that prescribed antipsychotics, would bow before such pastors and envy them.
Maybe I shouldn't be hasty in smacking those antipsychotics on those patients. I should just research and find out if they are actually seeing and hearing things. Maybe medicine and science has been wrong all this while.
Religion plays tricks on us all .

Workch:
How does your own version of a creator provide me with an evidence for or against a creator?

You don't get it at all.

There's no evidence for or against a deistic creator. It's why I don't believe or disbelieve, it doesn't matter if this deistic creator is your dragon, my alien or a leprechaun.
If you want me to believe it, bring evidence. if you don't believe it bring an evidence against it.

According to your own standard here where is your evidence against a deistic god for you not to believe it?

Workch:
You are still sounding so naive about science.

You will be shocked everytime. Something that we all think is probable has been repeatedly dismissed. The list is long.

Stop making uneducated conclusions when you don't have enough knowledge. Keep you leaking mouth shut and wait for more knowledge 😂😂

Why can't you be gracious about a simple spelling correction? Would it kill you to acknowledge you spelt it wrong?

KnownUnknown:
You really are a confused agnostic. How does it feel to wrestle against strawmen?

“Atheism is not scientific”. No shit!

As in baba nla strawman. Must have gathered 15 fields of straw to build it. LoLz.

jaephoenix:
You know, as a physician, I get many patients telling me they hear from gods, and that they see and walk with them always. We usually slap labels of schizophrenia, delirium tremens etc on them and put such patients on antipsychotics and sometimes for extreme therapies.
Oddly enough, that's exactly what many pastors and Christians claim: see God, talk and walk with him etc. But the same physicians and psychiatrists that prescribed antipsychotics, would bow before such pastors and envy them.
Maybe I shouldn't be hasty in smacking those antipsychotics on those patients. I should just research and find out if they are actually seeing and hearing things. Maybe medicine and science has been wrong all this while.
Religion plays tricks on us all .

It's not the fault of science but your inability as a medical doctor to diagnose properly your patients to know what is responsible for what they claim to see.

If you can detect the cause, then you proceed to treat, if not, wait until you know before doing anything. You don't just start administering drugs anyhow which they may not even need.

Ordinary lack of sleep, or cerebral malaria can make people see things ,even to the extent of seeing what they think is a god. In such a situation it's not their religion that's responsible ,but an underlying health condition which has brought on such visions or delusions.

Once the cause is addressed everything returns to normal.

And it's very unethical of you as a medical doctor to mock anyone for their mental health challenges anywhere no matter what. Psychiatric doctors are not known for that. Well ,it may happen in Nigeria, but elsewhere very rare.

Most of your patients, if you are actually what you claim to be, I think you are a quack, sees you as the only person they can talk to about their condition since you have presented yoursellf as the only who can make them make sense of what they are currently experiencing .Family members and friends would certainly have been avoiding them because if it.

So imagine if one of them happens to be here on nairaland reading how you actually feel about them, what do you think would be running through their minds now, and their reaction when next they come to you?

See, you are pathological liar who forgets the things he has said in the past.

Before now, you admitted you only had interest in psychiatric medicine ,and you were another kind of doctor.

Forgetting that, you now want to present yourself as a psychiatric doctor.

You really need help.

You cannot deceive everyone about what you're not.

You don't sound like a doctor, but someone who relies on google and paste to pretend.

Modified. Atheist are not free from seeing things. Theirs is even worse . They just cannot handle it and commit suicide easily.
Go and check the stats. Atheist are more prone to committing suicide from mental illnesses than anyone other group.

So don't celebrate yet

jaephoenix:
But you and your agnostic gang were quick to dismiss my claims of existence of the dragon. You didn't do any research whatsoever. Not even a question about its properties or attributes. You dumped all of it into the trash can. I feel hurt

Yours shouldn't be talked about yet since you are the only one seeing it.

By the time millions of people worldwide starts reporting the same thing, then it's time for science to intervene.

That's how it works in the sciences.

Scientists don't just go about investigating every single claim people make . It's only when the evidence becomes overwhelming they look into.

And besides there are things which falls outside the purview of science to investigate.

Can invisible beings be scientifically proven to exist?

Science says no.

What do we do then ,we can choose to believe or not to believe or even do nothing.

Just ignore completely.

triplechoice:
By the time millions of people worldwide starts reporting the same thing, then it's time for science to intervene.

That's how it works in the sciences.

When will science work to find out if Santa exist?

triplechoice:
Can invisible beings be scientifically proven to exist?

Science says no.

Wtf is “invisible beings”?
You are a dullard. Sit down and think it through does “invisible being” make sense.
You are watching too many nollywoods.

When did science say anything about “invisible beings “?
Which professor said it,Triplechoice?

triplechoice:
Scientists don't just go about investigating every single claim people make . It's only when the evidence becomes overwhelming they look into.

People reporting the same thing worldwide does not make it an overwhelming evidence.

Agnosticism is usually difficult to make sense of by both the fanatical theist and atheist. I said so before and I'm repeating it again, but this time with another simple explanation that may help in understanding.


An agnostic, unlike the theist and atheist is not stucked in one position. He is willing and open to view reality from all sides to get the complete picture. And that's why agnostics scientists are the best compared to others. They hardly bring in their biases when interpreting evidence in front of them.

For instance If there is evidences which points in the direction of god or the supernatural, most atheist scientists would be loath to look into it because of the fear it might negate their position and prove them stupid in the eyes of theist.

The same thing is applicable to theist who would also ignore what negates their position.

Agnostics have nothing to lose or fear. They don't hold on strongly to anything. But this doesn't mean they don't sometimes have valid reasons to believe or not to believe in something until concrete evidence is found ..

For instance, If my house is burgled in my absence, I have strong reasons to believe a thief did it, but no evidences to immediately know who exactly is the thief. So I remain neutral and don't suspect anyone until I know the truth because the person I strongly suspect may turn out not to be responsible or is responsible in the end.

So we can see from the above, people can have a valid reason for what they believe in until they have evidence which may either confirm their suspicion or prove them wrong



If you say you see a dragon over another's head, which others can't see, and you can't provide, either a poweful reason or evidence for what you claim to see ,why should you expect anyone to take you serious?

It's really disappointing seeing how some people who pride themselves of being rational thinkers behaving on this thread

You don't just claim something and without any reason whatsoever in support, you want others to prove it's true or not. What kind of reasoning is that?

Religious people have provided reasons why they believe in a god which is not yet proven to exist.

If you have counter reasons why they shouldn't believe in such gods, why dont you let them know respectfully instead of clowning yourself with unreasonable monsters and dragons nonsense that doesn't move them.

Well this is not for everyone. I know a lot of atheist who support and tolerate religious people.

Militants atheist are not different from boko haram terrorist. The same mindset they both have. An intolerant gang of irritants.

An intolerant person is the same everywhere. You cannot live with them.

I have spoken. You can come at me if this triggers you in anyway.

LordReed:
Why can't you be gracious about a simple spelling correction? Would it kill you to acknowledge you spelt it wrong?

Don't mind me jare, I ways type fast hence numerous typos.

How does that change the fact that you cannot dismissa deistic god?

LordReed:
According to your own standard here where is your evidence against a deistic god for you not to believe it?

I don't know.

Where's your evidence to dismiss it?

jaephoenix:
But you and your agnostic gang were quick to dismiss my claims of existence of the dragon. You didn't do any research whatsoever. Not even a question about its properties or attributes. You dumped all of it into the trash can. I feel hurt

Where did i dismiss it?

Where? Show me?

Why should I dismiss it?

If you like make plenty shit up, why should I bother about dismissing it?

triplechoice:
For instance, If my house is burgled in my absence, I have strong reasons to believe a thief did it, but no evidences to immediately know who exactly is the thief. So I remain neutral and don't suspect anyone until I know the truth because the person I strongly suspect may turn out not to be responsible or is responsible in the end.

You are a dullard, your house is burgled is that a belief or a established fact?
So when it comes to the word “god”, what is the established fact in it, then we will know the EXACT GOD that created the world.
Illiterate!

Maynman:
People reporting the same thing worldwide does not make it an overwhelming evidence.

No it doesn't. And where did I say so?


I said before scientists starts to investigate anything,, they most have gather enough data, evidences, to work with.

I never said the data is prove already. The data they collect is what they interpret to know the truth.

You like to overreach yourself yet you know nothing.

Workch:
I don't know.

Where's your evidence to dismiss it?

According to you, you need to give evidence against the deistic god before you can say you don't believe it. Where is this evidence?

Workch:
Don't mind me jare, I ways type fast hence numerous typos.

How does that change the fact that you cannot dismissa deistic god?

Answer my previous post to further that discussion.

triplechoice:
No it doesn't. And where did I say so?


I said before scientists starts to investigate anything,, they most have gather enough data, evidences, to work with.

I never said the data is prove already. The data they collect is what they interpret to know the truth.

You like to overreach yourself yet you know nothing.

What does this mean “ By the time millions of people worldwide starts reporting the same thing, then it's time for science to intervene.”?

where did they gather enough data and evidences to work with?

Your ignorance will be exposed here, dullard.

Maynman:
You are a dullard, your house is burgled is that a belief or a established fact?
So when it comes to the word “god”, what is the established fact in it, then we will know the EXACT GOD that created the world.
Illiterate!

I don't blame you.

This forum is faceless . So you can insult. But I tell you, it's not what you think. You might be surprised.

I have strong reasons to believe my house was burgled by a thief, but not certain who exactly is the thief, and that's because no evidence to confirm.

If I have no evidence it's wrong to accuse and arrest anyone as being responsible, but people do that all the time.

This is the main thing I want go get across ,and not the fact of it being burgled.

You didn't read very well before barking.

I told you already, stop with this nonsense to score cheap points in order to give yourself airs.

You are have been the only one trying to misinrepresent me here, but you will continue to fail .

LordReed:
According to you, you need to give evidence against the deistic god before you can say you don't believe it. Where is this evidence?

According to me, I ask atheists for evidence against a deistic god, but I ask deists evidence for it. Because I don't know.

It's both of you guys who make up your mind without actual knowledge. At the end if the day, both deists and atheists always do not provide evidence

triplechoice:
I have strong reasons to believe my house was burgled by a thief, but not certain who exactly is the thief, and that's because no evidence to confirm.

If I have no evidence it's wrong to accuse and arrest anyone as being responsible, but people do that all the time.

No one is telling you to accuse anyone, the question is do you believe or have facts that your house was burgled into?

What facts do we have of the word “god” to start with?

Your ignorance will be exposed!

triplechoice:
I don't blame you.

This forum is faceless . So you can insult. But I tell you, it's not what you think. You might be surprised.

I have strong reasons to believe my house was burgled by a thief, but not certain who exactly is the thief, and that's because no evidence to confirm.

If I have no evidence it's wrong to accuse and arrest anyone as being responsible, but people do that all the time.

This is the main thing I want go get across ,and not the fact of it being burgled.

You didn't read very well before barking.

I told you already, stop with this nonsense to score cheap points in order to give yourself airs.

You are have been the only one trying to misinrepresent me here, but you will continue to fail .

Stop replying tk him.
You won't regret it.

He has psychological problems. Respond to saner people

Workch:
Stop replying tk him.
You won't regret it.

He has psychological problems. Respond to saner people

Says someone that believes in a deistic god, you are the mad fellow that doesn’t realize it.

Everything the west has thought you about “god” is a sham!

Maynman:
What does this mean “ By the time millions of people worldwide starts reporting the same thing, then it's time for science to intervene.”?

where did they gather enough data and evidences to work with?

Your ignorance will be exposed here, dullard.

You are losing your mind .

Go meet the quack doctor to treat you.

Labeling others ignorant doesn't make them that.

It's what you say and do.

So look to yourself.