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litigator:
Your questions 2 and 4 are confusing. I am tempted to think you are a witness. (JW).

Can you juxtapose 2 with the concept of forgiveness of sins?

I will be grateful if you can relate it t your point 4. And my question is, how do you explain the concept of sin?

Cos, if you focus on the sin of the Bible alone, then marrying more than one wife might be considered a sin. Whereas, in Islam or some Western society, it is not.

Are you saying such a person will go to hell?

By my beliefs, I do not think God is affiliated with any religion, and the concept of sin is what your heart defines as one. If God is within you, He will let you know when you sin or are about to sin and rebuke you.

Perhaps I am having a hard time balancing my beliefs as an Omnist with the teachings of the Bible, and this is where I need your expertise.

bUT WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Your thoughts and logics are wrong. God's words/ laws are clear, bible says they choose not to obey Him and He gave them to reprobate heart. It's not what/about a people, nation feels, thinks or practice, but obeying the the word of God is what suffices. The whole world, dead or alive will be judged on the last days, God is never too late, God is never in a hurry! Don't hide in a group and disobey God, single yourself out and follow God through Christ Jesus.

litigator:
This is one area of our Biblical journey we often shy away from talking about.

I am certain I am not alone in this regard.

How does it feel if at 9. am on a Sunday morning, I come out for an altar call after a powerful heart-shattering and guilt-provoking sermon, give my life to Christ; I am prayed for and declare born again, but I unconsciously commit a sin on my way back home?

And with that guilt, I go back to sin full time like it was before the alter call?

I guess I am not alone in this regard. I have attended church services countless times and listened to sermons and teachings that I can't recollect, and at the end of such endeavour, I obey the alter call one minute, and the next minute, I am back to fornicating. This is one thing that has kept a lot of people out of this spiritual journey.

Even Pastors are not immune to sin, as some have found themselves committing sin at one point or the other. I guess Apostle Paul suffered same in the Bible. And this brings me to my question.


Does being again make you immune to sin, and is it a vaccine against sinning?

Is it that if I sin, it will no longer count against me because I have Grace?

Or is it a merry-go-round of sinning and asking for forgiveness shortly afterwards until we get better at not sinning anymore?

And if the latter is the case, why do churches hate and guilt-shame members when they sin but defend pastors when they do the same?

litigator:
This is one area of our Biblical journey we often shy away from talking about.

I am certain I am not alone in this regard.

How does it feel if at 9. am on a Sunday morning, I come out for an altar call after a powerful heart-shattering and guilt-provoking sermon, give my life to Christ; I am prayed for and declare born again, but I unconsciously commit a sin on my way back home?

And with that guilt, I go back to sin full time like it was before the alter call?

I guess I am not alone in this regard. I have attended church services countless times and listened to sermons and teachings that I can't recollect, and at the end of such endeavour, I obey the alter call one minute, and the next minute, I am back to fornicating. This is one thing that has kept a lot of people out of this spiritual journey.

Even Pastors are not immune to sin, as some have found themselves committing sin at one point or the other. I guess Apostle Paul suffered same in the Bible. And this brings me to my question.


Does being again make you immune to sin, and is it a vaccine against sinning?

Is it that if I sin, it will no longer count against me because I have Grace?

Or is it a merry-go-round of sinning and asking for forgiveness shortly afterwards until we get better at not sinning anymore?

And if the latter is the case, why do churches hate and guilt-shame members when they sin but defend pastors when they do the same?

litigator:
This is one area of our Biblical journey we often shy away from talking about.

I am certain I am not alone in this regard.

How does it feel if at 9. am on a Sunday morning, I come out for an altar call after a powerful heart-shattering and guilt-provoking sermon, give my life to Christ; I am prayed for and declare born again, but I unconsciously commit a sin on my way back home?

And with that guilt, I go back to sin full time like it was before the alter call?

I guess I am not alone in this regard. I have attended church services countless times and listened to sermons and teachings that I can't recollect, and at the end of such endeavour, I obey the alter call one minute, and the next minute, I am back to fornicating. This is one thing that has kept a lot of people out of this spiritual journey.

Even Pastors are not immune to sin, as some have found themselves committing sin at one point or the other. I guess Apostle Paul suffered same in the Bible. And this brings me to my question.


Does being again make you immune to sin, and is it a vaccine against sinning?

Is it that if I sin, it will no longer count against me because I have Grace?

Or is it a merry-go-round of sinning and asking for forgiveness shortly afterwards until we get better at not sinning anymore?

And if the latter is the case, why do churches hate and guilt-shame members when they sin but defend pastors when they do the same?

litigator:
This is one area of our Biblical journey we often shy away from talking about.

I am certain I am not alone in this regard.

How does it feel if at 9. am on a Sunday morning, I come out for an altar call after a powerful heart-shattering and guilt-provoking sermon, give my life to Christ; I am prayed for and declare born again, but I unconsciously commit a sin on my way back home?

And with that guilt, I go back to sin full time like it was before the alter call?

I guess I am not alone in this regard. I have attended church services countless times and listened to sermons and teachings that I can't recollect, and at the end of such endeavour, I obey the alter call one minute, and the next minute, I am back to fornicating. This is one thing that has kept a lot of people out of this spiritual journey.

Even Pastors are not immune to sin, as some have found themselves committing sin at one point or the other. I guess Apostle Paul suffered same in the Bible. And this brings me to my question.


Does being again make you immune to sin, and is it a vaccine against sinning?

Is it that if I sin, it will no longer count against me because I have Grace?

Or is it a merry-go-round of sinning and asking for forgiveness shortly afterwards until we get better at not sinning anymore?

And if the latter is the case, why do churches hate and guilt-shame members when they sin but defend pastors when they do the same?

litigator:
This is one area of our Biblical journey we often shy away from talking about.

I am certain I am not alone in this regard.

How does it feel if at 9. am on a Sunday morning, I come out for an altar call after a powerful heart-shattering and guilt-provoking sermon, give my life to Christ; I am prayed for and declare born again, but I unconsciously commit a sin on my way back home?

And with that guilt, I go back to sin full time like it was before the alter call?

I guess I am not alone in this regard. I have attended church services countless times and listened to sermons and teachings that I can't recollect, and at the end of such endeavour, I obey the alter call one minute, and the next minute, I am back to fornicating. This is one thing that has kept a lot of people out of this spiritual journey.

Even Pastors are not immune to sin, as some have found themselves committing sin at one point or the other. I guess Apostle Paul suffered same in the Bible. And this brings me to my question.


Does being again make you immune to sin, and is it a vaccine against sinning?

Is it that if I sin, it will no longer count against me because I have Grace?

Or is it a merry-go-round of sinning and asking for forgiveness shortly afterwards until we get better at not sinning anymore?

And if the latter is the case, why do churches hate and guilt-shame members when they sin but defend pastors when they do the same?

litigator:
This is one area of our Biblical journey we often shy away from talking about.

I am certain I am not alone in this regard.

How does it feel if at 9. am on a Sunday morning, I come out for an altar call after a powerful heart-shattering and guilt-provoking sermon, give my life to Christ; I am prayed for and declare born again, but I unconsciously commit a sin on my way back home?

And with that guilt, I go back to sin full time like it was before the alter call?

I guess I am not alone in this regard. I have attended church services countless times and listened to sermons and teachings that I can't recollect, and at the end of such endeavour, I obey the alter call one minute, and the next minute, I am back to fornicating. This is one thing that has kept a lot of people out of this spiritual journey.

Even Pastors are not immune to sin, as some have found themselves committing sin at one point or the other. I guess Apostle Paul suffered same in the Bible. And this brings me to my question.


Does being again make you immune to sin, and is it a vaccine against sinning?

Is it that if I sin, it will no longer count against me because I have Grace?

Or is it a merry-go-round of sinning and asking for forgiveness shortly afterwards until we get better at not sinning anymore?

And if the latter is the case, why do churches hate and guilt-shame members when they sin but defend pastors when they do the same?

Kobojunkie:
What aspect of any of what I have said so far is JW and not scripture. Be specific!

Wizardslayer:
No mortal man is holy and born again no matter the pretence.

litigator:
■ Why are you evasive? I only asked a simple question.

Wizardslayer:
No mortal man is holy and born again no matter the pretence.

YelloweWest:
You're nor exactly immunizated from sin because we are human.

However the Holy Spirt dwells in you. When you sin, you ask for mercy immediately and you make a conscious effort to avoid sin

Abuventure:
do you really know what being born again means

litigator:
Does being again make you immune to sin, and is it a vaccine against sinning?

Short answer: yes

Is it that if I sin, it will no longer count against me because I have Grace?

Short answer: yes

Or is it a merry-go-round of sinning and asking for forgiveness shortly afterwards until we get better at not sinning anymore?

Short answer: yes; slightly longer answer: you don't need to ask or keep asking for forgiveness, just keep getting better. You were born again, now do what newborns do: grow up!

And if the latter is the case, why do churches hate and guilt-shame members when they sin but defend pastors when they do the same?

Choose your 'church' carefully

Scripture focus:
John 3:16-19
1 John 1:5-7

Shalom!

Tajbol4splend:
You all Christians keep deceiving yourselves, 99% of the things you do are against the teaching of Jesus Christ, yet you all claim to be following him but out of ignorance you are following your Pastor, tell me one thing that Jesus did that you do, nothing, Christianity is a comedy religion which your Pastors are using your ignorance to enrich themselves

litigator:
Does being again make you immune to sin, and is it a vaccine against sinning?

Short answer: yes

Is it that if I sin, it will no longer count against me because I have Grace?

Short answer: yes

Or is it a merry-go-round of sinning and asking for forgiveness shortly afterwards until we get better at not sinning anymore?

Short answer: yes; slightly longer answer: you don't need to ask or keep asking for forgiveness, just keep getting better. You were born again, now do what newborns do: grow up!

And if the latter is the case, why do churches hate and guilt-shame members when they sin but defend pastors when they do the same?

Choose your 'church' carefully

Scripture focus:
John 3:16-19
1 John 1:5-7

Shalom!

Kobojunkie:
1. If this is what you meant when you said you were born-again then I am sorry to tell you is all you did was submit to the ritual of your pastors and mogs which they also term being "born-again" and nothing more. That ritual has no connection to God or Jesus Christ and and Kingdom of God.

2. No, to be born-again --- born of water and born of the Spirit of Eternal Life(a possession by His person)----- means to become a citizen for the Kingdom of God. The process does not purge you of your past sins nor does it immunize you against future sins. As you continue to sin, your sin debt simply continues to pile on.

3. Like I said, the Spirit of Eternal Life aka grace is not given for the purging of sins. Rather He is gifted by God to everyone who will choose to become born-again. Have you ever been received a gift for signing up to for a bank account or test driving a car? Well, think of it as a free gift of Eternal Life(grace) as a gift God hands out to each and everyone who signs up for the Kingdom of God by becoming born-again. The gift is sets you free from the curse of Death and that is that.

4. First things first, God does not answer the petitions of the unrighteous. What this means is that so long as you remain unrighteous, even your pleas for forgiveness go unanswered by God. Only the righteous have their every petition answered by God, including their requests for forgiveness of sins. Second, sin(disobedience) is a choice and so even after you become born-again, it is through self-discipline that you learn to continously submit and obey the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ. God is not going to hold your hand as that work has to be done by you to prove yourself worthy of Jesus Christ. It is by continually choosing obedience, rather than disobedience(sin), that you not only overcome your urge to sin, but you also pay off your sin debt in full.

5. Again, your churches and their many rituals have nothing to do with God or Jesus Christ.

azammi:
Read d book of romans you’llget your answer .

Kobojunkie:
1. If this is what you meant when you said you were born-again then I am sorry to tell you is all you did was submit to the ritual of your pastors and mogs which they also term being "born-again" and nothing more. That ritual has no connection to God or Jesus Christ and and Kingdom of God.

2. No, to be born-again --- born of water and born of the Spirit of Eternal Life(a possession by His person)----- means to become a citizen for the Kingdom of God. The process does not purge you of your past sins nor does it immunize you against future sins. As you continue to sin, your sin debt simply continues to pile on.

3. Like I said, the Spirit of Eternal Life aka grace is not given for the purging of sins. Rather He is gifted by God to everyone who will choose to become born-again. Have you ever been received a gift for signing up to for a bank account or test driving a car? Well, think of it as a free gift of Eternal Life(grace) as a gift God hands out to each and everyone who signs up for the Kingdom of God by becoming born-again. The gift is sets you free from the curse of Death and that is that.

4. First things first, God does not answer the petitions of the unrighteous. What this means is that so long as you remain unrighteous, even your pleas for forgiveness go unanswered by God. Only the righteous have their every petition answered by God, including their requests for forgiveness of sins. Second, sin(disobedience) is a choice and so even after you become born-again, it is through self-discipline that you learn to continously submit and obey the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ. God is not going to hold your hand as that work has to be done by you to prove yourself worthy of Jesus Christ. It is by continually choosing obedience, rather than disobedience(sin), that you not only overcome your urge to sin, but you also pay off your sin debt in full.

5. Again, your churches and their many rituals have nothing to do with God or Jesus Christ.

shineeye1:
It is intriguing how we tend to complicate simple principles! Born again simply means having a new nature , as a result of a deliberate transfer of divinity into humanity. The end result of a transformed nature becomes the proof of being born again.


No one who remains in Him sins continually; no one who sins continually has seen Him or knows Him. No one who has been born of God practices sin, because His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin continually, because he has been born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother and sister.
1 John 3:6‭, ‬9‭-‬10 NASB2020



If indeed you are born of the Spirit of God (which born again is), you are graced with an ability superior to humanity with evidence of a dramatic change in nature. There is no purer proof that you are yet to know Him and that you are alien to the principle of born again than a nature that remains in the same deplorable sinful state. Born again is an empowerment which is received by faith and by devotion to God and His Christ. When faith and devotion coincide, a power with proof of transformations appears!
Many born again of our time are fake because there is neither teaching for faith nor devotion for possession of the born again experience

tctrills:
■ You are mostly right, but let me correct something. Being born again purges you of formal sins. We are baptized for a remission of sins

Righthussle:
■ this religion don really enter your brain ;

rayopt:
Before I answer your questions in a simple way, please always keep in mind the religion is responsible for making these things as difficult as it seems.

For instance, someone gave you a good answer. You should question the argument not bother about which religious clique he/she belongs to.

Back to your questions. From my own perspective so far,

1. Does being again make you immune to sin, and is it a vaccine against sinning?
No. Your spirit got saved and born again. Your body will always be your body and will never be saved; the body will suffer all the consequences of past and previous sins on earth and will perish in the same earth.

Being born again is not a vaccine from sin. As long as your body remains in this world, you will continue to sin one way of the other. Everybody sins. God doesn't weigh sins. Nobody has the right to judge or forgive someone's sin. We are all the same before God.

What Born Again does is to give you a brand new spirit. I wish I can break this down to you but good luck to your understanding.


2. Is it that if I sin, it will no longer count against me because I have Grace?

When you sin, realize your wrong by confessing your sins and ask for forgiveness. That is what grace requires. Your body will suffer the consequences of your sin on earth. But grace allows you to get back to God anytime. You sef forgive yourself once you realize your wrongs and stop feeling guilty.

There is no immunity to sin as long as you are alive. If you want to continue in sin and always bank on grace, you dey whine yourself thinking you are whinnin God. Realization and Confession of sin is the first sign of God's grace on your life. If these two things are missing, forget it. Oya sope otilor.


3. Or is it a merry-go-round of sinning and asking for forgiveness shortly afterwards until we get better at not sinning anymore?

Like I said, you just deceiving if you keep enjoying your sins and claiming grace religiously. Naturally, every new born Christian is expected to continue in their old ways. Grace allows you to see your wrongs and work towards correcting it permanently.

If grace helps you to stop sinning permanently, that's a good thing. But remember, Grace will not stop you from suffering the consequences of every sin while you are on earth. The world is still suffering from man's first sin.

4. And if the latter is the case, why do churches hate and guilt-shame members when they sin but defend pastors when they do the same?

Well, this is always the tricky question. Men will be men. All the affairs in churches are not different from other social circles and that's all I have to say on that.

Before you ask, I am not a religious person. I lived in a Christian home and have studied up to two religions. I believe God is God and the different religions are God speaking in different languages. Na my own be that.

Kobojunkie:
Where in His Gospel did Jesus Christ say this to you?

Please don't bother responding by providing one of your many magicsl interpretations of the words of one of His apostles in an attempt to make the student greater than the master, a scheme typical of the religious.

phemmyfour:
No, you are not immune to sin. You are aware of sinful act and recognizes when you sinned and ask God for forgiveness

Dtruthspeaker:
The correct one is that you are aware of all the things which are sins and you take every reasonable step to dodge all of them.

It is that dodging and combination of all these that makes you feel immune