eph12:

What do you think is enough punishment for this Greenwood's crime?

The crime(s) stated here being rape and domestic violence.
He had his penis in her even when she was consistently begging and appealing to him to please stop. That is rape!!

Now sentencing for rape takes into account factors such as (repetition of offence) history of the offender (is he a criminal, what are his prior criminal records), degree of violence inflicted during said rape and all that.

Average sentencing is usually 5-25 years in advanced countries (based on those factors listed above). So in a case where this seems to have been a not soo violent and taking into account the fact that the victim seemed to have moved past this and "forgiven" him, I would recommend a "suspended sentence" with period of probation and enrollment in counseling for him to recognise the error of his ways.

akwesenana:

If the girlfriend of my friend reports a rape incident to me, I'll hear from my friend, if possible in her presence.

My main wahala be say when them exonerate Benjamín Mendy, you no run come here come demand justice and retribution the way you come for Greenwood.
This is hypocrisy and na why people no dey find am hard to label you as a wokists General.

If you followed my posts on the chatroom thread, you will see where I vehemently condemned the false accuser of Mendy and said she should face the full wrath of the law to serve as a deterrence to others. But in making that point, I also highlight that what happened to mendy is indeed counter to norm. Men being falsely accused is bad but rare compared to women who are actually raped around the world.

donjazzet:


Well, talking about the courts in this case. Sometimes a court's declaration of "not guilty" might not necessarily mean that the offense wasn't committed but that rather, there wasn't any sufficient evidence. I mean we in Nigeria that suffer from a corrupt and weak judicial system can certainly understand this statement I just made.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence but for the courts, it definitely is. No evidence means no case.
We've seen movies where mob bosses who were guilty as hell were released and declared not guilty after those mob bosses might have killed the key witness(es).

Now, this rings more true for rape cases which are historically more difficult to prove, most especially if the both parties have a prior or existing acquaintance, now factor in where the accused is far more wealthy and you tend to have an imbalance of justice.

Anyways, having stated these factors, if one is definitely innocent but has been accused wrongly (something less common than the actual recurrences of rape), then the false accuser should be punished and made to pay damages.

Load of rubbish.

larride:


Load of rubbish.

Surely larride, an intelligent person in countering a point of another will attempt to address the point made and not just deride it as "rubbish" while not offering a counter argument. Surely you see that only grossly stupid, irreversibly dumb and recaltricant pre teens would reply in the manner just stated?

donjazzet:


If you followed my posts on the chatroom thread, you will see where I vehemently condemned the false accuser of Mendy and said she should face the full wrath of the law to serve as a deterrence to others. But in making that point, I also highlight that what happened to mendy is indeed counter to norm. Men being falsely accused is bad but rare compared to women who are actually raped around the world.

I no suppose reply you again, but you saying men being falsely accused is rare compared to women actually raped means say you go don already decide say man dey guilty of rape, even before tangible evidence land.

If your friend babe come complain say her guy rape her, wetin you go do/think?

Talk true, you go spoil your friend name for Wokists barracks before he even has a chance to defend himself.

donjazzet:


The crime(s) stated here being rape and domestic violence.
He had his penis in her even when she was consistently begging and appealing to him to please stop. That is rape!!

Now sentencing for rape takes into account factors such as (repetition of offence) history of the offender (is he a criminal, what are his prior criminal records), degree of violence inflicted during said rape and all that.

Average sentencing is usually 5-25 years in advanced countries (based on those factors listed above). So in a case where this seems to have been a not soo violent and taking into account the fact that the victim seemed to have moved past this and "forgiven" him, I would recommend a "suspended sentence" with period of probation and enrollment in counseling for him to recognise the error of his ways.

Its been two years since he got suspended, yeah? How many more years for this period of probation and enrollment in counseling before you permit him to go back to his life?

raumdeuter:


So which career will take him? Will Walmart take him to be a cashier? Will Chase Bank take him as an intern, even the school which school will take him that these same mob you bowed to wont pick up an issue with

So will it be okay if Greenwood becomes a criminal or commits suicide?

I honestly do not support the cancel culture. Unfortunately, there are careers that are just too exposed to the culture. We watch these guys every damn week. Greenwood can work in a bank with less attention. It is what it is!

The unfortunate thing is there are videos and pictures out there, innocence can’t be proven, he is guilty unless and until the case goes to court and he is cleared of all accusations.

eph12:

Its been two years since he got suspended, yeah? How many more years for this period of probation and enrollment in counseling before you permit him to go back to his life?

Being suspended from work is different from being handed a "suspended sentence". A suspended sentence means it goes into his record and eliminates any form of doubt as to the criminality of his actions which will inturn ensure he doesn't commit this again else a repetition guarantees the highest possible sentence.

This suspension by the club gives him plausible deniability as you can now see in action. With the club essentially covering for him and flat out saying he's guilty when he's blatantly not! Hence him virtually escaping genuine consequence of his actions.

donjazzet:


This is an extremely shallow and careless way to speak, I'm sorry to say.
It might shock you to know that people do care about right and wrong, about individual human rights not being violated. People care about the rights of minorities, and indeed women who till today are persecuted around the world on the basis of their gender. From child brides, to restriction of rights and freedoms, to domestic abuse.

Ohhh, I'm sorry that social justice to you is sooo offensive and unthinkable, but welcome to the modern world where people care about fairness and justice.

It's always we Nigerians who do the most! Who align with injustices despite being right under the heels of it in our society. We lament what our politicians do to us but we ourselves somehow outmatch them in being as intolerable and prejudicial to people different from us.
Shame on you my man. No offence.

It's always amusing to read about how the West care about fairness and justice on one hand, and speak about racism and whatnot on the other hand. Then you get to read about the atrocities and killings they do all over the world. It's entertaining

donjazzet:


Being suspended from work is different from being handed a "suspended sentence". A suspended sentence means it goes into his record and eliminates any form of doubt as to the criminality of his actions which will inturn ensure he doesn't commit this again else a repetition guarantees the highest possible sentence.

This suspension by the club gives him plausible deniability as you can now see in action. With the club essentially covering for him and flat out saying he's guilty when he's blatantly not! Hence him virtually escaping genuine consequence of his actions.

So like how many more years before he's let alone?

eph12:

It's always amusing to read about how the West care about fairness and justice on one hand, and speak about racism and whatnot on the other hand. Then you get to read about the atrocities and killings they do all over the world. It's entertaining

Can you please elaborate on the bolded??

And yeah, one can see that indeed the "west" of today does seem to genuinely care about fairness and justice. Sanctioning Uganda for its extremist LGBT stance proves it's resilience in fighting for rights of minorities all over the world.

nitrogen:


I honestly do not support the cancel culture. Unfortunately, there are careers that are just too exposed to the culture. We watch these guys every damn week. Greenwood can work in a bank with less attention. It is what it is!

The unfortunate thing is there are videos and pictures out there, innocence can’t be proven, he is guilty unless and until the case goes to court and he is cleared of all accusations.

In this age of social media? When people are writing to people's offices to get them relieved from their jobs? Calling out companies and asking others to boycott them? He won't be safe in any bank

donjazzet:


Can you please elaborate on the bolded??

And yeah, one can see that indeed the "west" of today does seem to genuinely care about fairness and justice. Sanctioning Uganda for its extremist LGBT stance proves it's resilience in fighting for rights of minorities all over the world.

Ah yes sanction the third world black country. But the mighty rich Arabs? They'll rather die lmao

eph12:

In this age of social media? When people are writing to people's offices to get them relieved from their jobs? Calling out companies and asking others to boycott them? He won't be safe in any bank

I disagree. There is a huge difference between both. Not sure these guys would want to see him on TV or live in stadiums every weekend.

donjazzet:

This is an extremely shallow and careless way to speak, I'm sorry to say.
It might shock you to know that people do care about right and wrong, about individual human rights not being violated. People care about the rights of minorities, and indeed women who till today are persecuted around the world on the basis of their gender. From child brides, to restriction of rights and freedoms, to domestic abuse.

Ohhh, I'm sorry that social justice to you is sooo offensive and unthinkable, but welcome to the modern world where people care about fairness and justice.

It's always we Nigerians who do the most! Who align with injustices despite being right under the heels of it in our society. We lament what our politicians do to us but we ourselves somehow outmatch them in being as intolerable and prejudicial to people different from us.
Shame on you my man. No offence.

sounds like someone from the LGBTQ community.

God, not this thread please, please Lord not here

eph12:

Ah yes sanction the third world black country. But the mighty rich Arabs? They'll rather die lmao

Well that is by virtue of economic placement and ramifications of decisions.
Let me state that I recognise the nuances at play here.
The Arabs today are the biggest suppliers of oil and as such have such a high leverage and so cannot be effected the same way some other smaller countries like Uganda, Nigeria, Vietnam, Cambodia, Nicaragua, Guatemala etc etc can be sanctioned.

In trying to solve one problem, you create far more bigger problems.

But at least the principles remain. They project and wish for a more fair and equitable world.

ChristineC:

sounds like someone from the LGBTQ community.

Nope! Sounds like a liberal who wishes for a more open society that treats all human beings as equal irrespective of tribe, gender, race, religion or any barriers we as humans continue to set for ourselves!

Just a human being who wishes for a fairer and more compassionate society.

donjazzet:



Well that is by virtue of economic placement and ramifications of decisions.
Let me state that I recognise the nuances at play here.
The Arabs today are the biggest suppliers of oil and as such have such a high leverage and so cannot be effected the same way some other smaller countries like Uganda, Nigeria, Vietnam, Cambodia, Nicaragua, Guatemala etc etc can be sanctioned.

In trying to solve one problem, you create far more bigger problems.

But at least the principles remain. They project and wish for a more fair and equitable world.

So as biggest suppliers of oil, they can suppress human rights of others and get away with it?
Omo.

donjazzet:


Surely larride, an intelligent person in countering a point of another will attempt to address the point made and not just deride it as "rubbish" while not offering a counter argument. Surely you see that only grossly stupid, irreversibly dumb and recaltricant pre teens would reply in the manner just stated?

Your head is paining you.

Someone beat a 10 count charge twice and you are here typing rubbish that not guilty doesn't mean hes not guilty.

Them suppose tie you for market square and flog sense into your head.

You be legend walahi.

nitrogen:


I disagree. There is a huge difference between both. Not sure these guys would want to see him on TV or live in stadiums every weekend.

They won't want to see him anywhere.

You don't agree people write to companies to demand for people sack? Or you don't agree people drag companies and ask for boycott on social media? Do they need to see anyone on tv or live in stadiums before they do that? How many times have brands put out a statement because of drags?

akwesenana:

So as biggest suppliers of oil, they can suppress human rights of others and get away with it?
Omo.

Donjazet is known to be an hypocrite.

Social justice only for the less privileged.

donjazzet:



Well that is by virtue of economic placement and ramifications of decisions.
Let me state that I recognise the nuances at play here.
The Arabs today are the biggest suppliers of oil and as such have such a high leverage and so cannot be effected the same way some other smaller countries like Uganda, Nigeria, Vietnam, Cambodia, Nicaragua, Guatemala etc etc can be sanctioned.

In trying to solve one problem, you create far more bigger problems.

But at least the principles remain. They project and wish for a more fair and equitable world.

This defeats the principle of equality you so hold dear.
Sanction A just because you can afford to and leave B for "strategic" reasons.

donjazzet:
Nope! Sounds like a liberal who wishes for a more open society that treats all human beings as equal irrespective of tribe, gender, race, religion or any barriers we as humans continue to set for ourselves!

Just a human being who wishes for a fairer and more compassionate society.

so all these years, and you still think stuff like this is based on fairness. I'm not surprised. it's all fun and aluta till it hits home.

donjazzet:



Well that is by virtue of economic placement and ramifications of decisions.
Let me state that I recognise the nuances at play here.
The Arabs today are the biggest suppliers of oil and as such have such a high leverage and so cannot be effected the same way some other smaller countries like Uganda, Nigeria, Vietnam, Cambodia, Nicaragua, Guatemala etc etc can be sanctioned.

In trying to solve one problem, you create far more bigger problems.

But at least the principles remain. They project and wish for a more fair and equitable world.

Please just stop. It's embarrassing. What are you defending here? It's like saying the law only applies to the poor. Just stop man

odizeey:

I'm not interested in what you have to offer. I'm busy.

akwesenana:

So as biggest suppliers of oil, they can suppress human rights of others and get away with it?
Omo.

these guys are first class jokers. physically, I don't even speak with them.
you can't see reason in any decision they make. it's always a different formula depending on who and their social constructs is on the chopping block.

donjazzet:


Nope! Sounds like a liberal who wishes for a more open society that treats all human beings as equal irrespective of tribe, gender, race, religion or any barriers we as humans continue to set for ourselves!

Just a human being who wishes for a fairer and more compassionate society.

on a side note, can humans actually be treated equally?. Or what you mean by being treated equal

akwesenana:

This defeats the principle of equality you so hold dear.
Sanction A just because you can afford to and leave B for "strategic" reasons.

I'm sorry but you seem to mistake my elucidation of facts for me sanctioning it.

Now I'm not happy that that is the situation, that indeed because a country is richer, it is spared consequence from its terrible human rights action but I know why it is soo. I stated this because I was asked exactly this? Why spare Arabs but not Uganda. And I acknowledged the nuances at play here. In an ideal world, I would wish that the Arabs are also sanctioned for gross human rights violation but I do know that doing that plunges the global economy into turmoil creating worse problems.

It's just akin to the Nigerian situation, I hate that the APC carried out a democratic coup on Nigerians, now the military might want to step in and handle the situation but I would rather they do not because their attempts at solving it create a far worse issue. This is a stark nuance at play.

But I still stated that the principles and intentions is what counts.

chrisley024:
on a side note, can humans actually be treated equally?. Or what you mean by being treated equal

I mean the absence of discrimination on unfair bases.
A white man not wanting to employ a black man.
A yoruba man not wanting to employ an Igbo man. An Igbo man not wanting to sell to an Hausa man.
A police recruiter not wanting to recruit women.

A church not wanting to accept a gay person into his congregation.

I'm advocating for elimination of these social barriers amongst ourselves as humans.

A fair and equitable world.