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preciousee17:
It depends on what you want to find in the Bible, truly, whatever you want to hear, I could force a definition for you. It's wrong.

Here's what to do, read the whole Numbers 22 for context. I'll highlight some points where you'll need to reason out.

First of all, the Bible says that Balaam was a diviner, he knew his work.
Second, the Bible also says that the diviner does all his things but the Lord presents the answers what He Wills (good or bad, true or false).
Thirdly, the Lord sees the heart, and the intents of the heart.

So while reading Numbers 22, take note of verse 7-8,
“[7] And the elders of Moab and the elders of Midian departed with the rewards of divination in their hand; and they came unto Balaam, and spake unto him the words of Balak.
[8] And he said unto them, Lodge here this night, and I will bring you word again, as the LORD shall speak unto me : and the princes of Moab abode with Balaam.”

From the things in bold, you can see that people came to see a diviner with their fees, the diviner told them to wait that he'll reply them when God speaks.
Remember, he's a diviner.
Should we expect that he also went and waited for God to speak or he went and inquired and waited for a sure reply. Remember again, a diviner does divinations, not just to sit around after collecting the fees.
Same statement repeats in verse 19.

From another perspective, look at Jude 1:11 and report your findings.

1. I noticed all the theists responding on this Numbers 22 carefully avoided talking about the events that happened there. Instead they say insanely inane stuff like 'Balaam was a diviner' etc, as if Yahweh does not work with heathens. Look at Jacob. A twister, a schemer, a thief, a deceiver. Yes, all of those things and yet a man chosen by Yahweh, whose name he will change into one of the most famous in the world – Israel.
Yes, Balaam was a diviner but he chose to obey Yahweh on this occasion. You people just ignored that fact. So all your talk doesn't make sense. And nowhere in that chapter was it recorded that he divined on his own. In fact Yahweh was the one talking to him constantly like a buddy.
2. Yes I looked at the Jude verse. It talked about Balaam's error. What was his error in that Numbers 22?

cornelboy:
You do that and I'll reply you

Just take the first verse and reply it. Your dodging antics won't work

MaxInDHouse:
Potency in the case of omni-potent has to do with ability to do anything whether good or evil but Abraham challenged God saying:
it's unthinkable of God to do what is wrong! Genesis 18:25

Benevolence in the case of omni-benevolence has to do with ever tolerable regarding what is evil but Habakkuk under inspiration said:

Your eyes are too pure to look on what is evil, And you cannot tolerate wickedness. Why, then, do you tolerate the treacherous And keep silent when a wicked man swallows up someone more righteous than he is? Habakkuk 1:13

So from the two verses above it's clear that He can't be omni-potent neither omni-benevolent!

Lol. So Yahweh isn't all powerful and all loving/merciful? Please I need a yes or no answer. Not those passages that don't relate to the topic. Thank you

johnw47:
God didn't create evil satan corny boy, God created him the brightest of all the holy angels,
after his fall satan became one of his names

you have said God doesn't know everything and now you say God even knew adam would disobey Him,
see how dum and confused you are, post after post

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

You're the confused one here. If Yahweh is omniscient, he should have known Satan would rebel and cause people to sin, would he?

jaephoenix:
Just take the first verse and reply it. Your dodging antics won't work

Ask you questions again in fewer and precise words with a verse or two. I'll definitely reply you.

jaephoenix:
You're the confused one here. If Yahweh is omniscient, he should have known Satan would rebel and cause people to sin, would he?

most dum pigdog (see verse), as if i would be talking God's word to you a atheist dope,
surely you have seen that i don't give gold to a no test-is atheist or your fellow girlie false jw's
you so dum, aren't you, of course

Mat_7:6  "Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

but i do put you in your place and kick your bum, don't i dummy


don't you go fretting though dum dum, corny boy gave you a like

johnw47:
most dum pigdog (see verse), as if i would be talking God's word to you a atheist dope,
surely you have seen that i don't give gold to a no test-is atheist or your fellow girlie false jw's
you so dum, aren't you, of course

Mat_7:6  "Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

but i do put you in your place and kick your bum, don't i dummy


don't you go fretting though dum dum, your corny boy gave you a like

Ok. No p

cornelboy:
Ask you questions again in fewer and precise words with a verse or two. I'll definitely reply you.

What do you understand by this?
Psalm 147:5
Great is our Lord and abundant in strength;
His understanding is infinite

jaephoenix:
Lol. So Yahweh isn't all powerful and all loving/merciful? Please I need a yes or no answer. Not those passages that don't relate to the topic. Thank you

That you're never going to get from me!

There's YES and NO answers to the same question so if you detests explanation then do whatever pleases you. I have told you that nobody is answerable to you on this we are here to reason not just read and swallow hook line and sinker without substantiating.

All powerful? YES! Our God can do whatever He purpose and nothing can stop Him.
Omnipotent? NO! There are many things our God can't do because whatever is not Holy He can't do it.
All loving? YES! Whatever our God does is motivated by LOVE.
All merciful? YES! Whoever turns back from his or her evil deeds our God will show them mercy.
Omni-benevolent? NO! He will not always put up with evildoers because He purposely create this planet for obedient mankind to enjoy lasting happiness and peace therefore He will surely destroy unrepentant evildoers.

jaephoenix:
What was his error in that Numbers 22?

You have seen the truth but dodging it!

@ Genesis 3:1-5 we read about a serpent who convinced Eve to eat the forbidden fruit.
Where in the five books of Moses was it written that the spirit being who possessed that poor creature is Satan?

Yet when we talk of the Serpent everyone will say it means Satan.
WHY?
Because Jesus revealed the Identity of that mighty spirit being who possessed the serpent in the Bible book of Revelations 12:9

So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.

So what makes it hard for you to agree that the offence Balaam committed is what the same Jesus revealed @ Revelations 2:14?

You can continue dribbling yourself around with misinformed churchgoers but know that i have given you the simple answer to your question!

MaxInDHouse:
That you're never going to get from me!

There's YES and NO answers to the same question so if you detests explanation then do whatever pleases you. I have told you that nobody is answerable to you on this we are here to reason not just read and swallow hook line and sinker without substantiating.

All powerful? YES! Our God can do whatever He purpose and nothing can stop Him.
Omnipotent? NO! There are many things our God can't do because whatever is not Holy He can't do it.
All loving? YES! Whatever our God does is motivated by LOVE.
All merciful? YES! Whoever turns back from his or her evil deeds our God will show them mercy.
Omni-benevolent? NO! He will not always put up with evildoers because He purposely create this planet for obedient mankind to enjoy lasting happiness and peace therefore He will surely destroy unrepentant evildoers.

Have you checked up the meanings of omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent? Please do that and revert. I can't teach you everything

cornelboy:
Ask you questions again in fewer and precise words with a verse or two. I'll definitely reply you.

I have told him that with Jehovah's Witnesses his cunning attitude can't work.
If he wants to address any issue it's one at a time not putting everything together just for arguing aimlessly!

jaephoenix:
Have you checked up the meanings of omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent? Please do that and revert. I can't teach you everything

Those words aren't found in the Bible so those using it still need to UPDATE the definitions.
As for what the Bible says such words doesn't apply anywhere around the Bible God!

jaephoenix:
What do you understand by this?
Psalm 147:5
Great is our Lord and abundant in strength;
His understanding is infinite

His understanding is timeless: because all the things He created can't operate beyond what He gave them.

For instance God word says:

As for the heavens (all the bodies in space) they belong to Jehovah, But the earth he has given to the sons of men! Psalms 115:16

Humans can't live on any other planet except earth because this is where God GAVE us due to His infinite understanding.

But you people can start living anywhere apart from this planet o so you can prove Him wrong!

MaxInDHouse:
Those words aren't found in the Bible so those using it still need to UPDATE the definitions.
As for what the Bible says such words doesn't apply anywhere around the Bible God!

This is what you posted…

All powerful? YES! Our God can do whatever He purpose and nothing can stop Him.
Omnipotent? NO! There are many things our God can't do because whatever is not Holy He can't do it.
[b]All loving? YES! [/b]Whatever our God does is motivated by LOVE.
All merciful? YES! Whoever turns back from his or her evil deeds our God will show them mercy.

I suspect you dont even know what omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omniscient means.
But I would post them(since you obviously skipped kindergarten)

Omnipotent
All powerful, unlimited power

Omnibenevolent
All merciful/loving/kind

Omniscient
All knowing

They should start English classes in that Kingdom Hall of yours. Y'all really need it.

jaephoenix:
1. I noticed all the theists responding on this Numbers 22 carefully avoided talking about the events that happened there. Instead they say insanely inane stuff like 'Balaam was a diviner' etc, as if Yahweh does not work with heathens. Look at Jacob. A twister, a schemer, a thief, a deceiver. Yes, all of those things and yet a man chosen by Yahweh, whose name he will change into one of the most famous in the world – Israel.
Yes, Balaam was a diviner but he chose to obey Yahweh on this occasion. You people just ignored that fact. So all your talk doesn't make sense. And nowhere in that chapter was it recorded that he divined on his own. In fact Yahweh was the one talking to him constantly like a buddy.
2. Yes I looked at the Jude verse. It talked about Balaam's error. What was his error in that Numbers 22?

I wish I could argue.
But remember I told you that I won't put much effort.
Theists avoid what exactly?
Should we quote the whole chapter so it looks like we want to retell a story you already know?
Us saying that Balaam was a diviner is 'insanely insane'? But you confirm it too?
Who said Yahweh didn't work with the heathens me?
But I just said that the Bible says that the diviners reply always come from God...
Did I say Balaam doesn't obey God?

What's even the basis of your argument?
You left the point I made and started accusing me for so many things at once.

"Woe to them! For they have run riotously in the way of Cain, and have abandoned themselves for the sake of gain [it offers them, following] the error of Balaam, and have perished in rebellion [like that] of Korah! [Gen. 4:3-8; Num. 16; 22-24.]"
Jude 1:11 AMPC

If you can't see Balaam's error there, leave it please, you're right.

jaephoenix:
Omnipotent
All powerful, unlimited power
Omnibenevolent
All merciful/loving/kind
Omniscient
All knowing
They should start English classes in that Kingdom Hall of yours. Y'all really need it.

Definitions that will soon be UPDATED like all others no be humans talk am?

the continued girly gibberish of atheist dope and false jw queers < no test-is there

MaxInDHouse:
That you're never going to get from me!

so lost false jw mad max, you are not going to give him what
you think are your gems

when i don't give pearls to atheist dope, like i don't give them to you lost fraud jw's,
you said to corny boy that i became speechless before him

you lost fraud jw's can never stop lying like your devil, can you

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

MaxInDHouse: Omnipotent? NO! There are many things our God can't do because whatever is not Holy He can't do it.

God denier, false jw

because God cannot/will not lie etc. you say HE is not all powerful,
but of course lost cowardly jw's who don't know HIM would say lies like that about HIM:

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.


doing unholy things is not power, most dum false jw's
it is weakness, God is not weak but all powerful

God to certain Christians past and present, concerning evil men, and false apostles who are liars,
such as today's false jw's and other frauds past and present:

NASB Rev_2:2  'I know your deeds and your toil and perseverance, and that you cannot tolerate evil men, and you put to the test those who call themselves apostles, and they are not, and you found them to be false;

KJV Rev 2:2  I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

jaephoenix:
What do you understand by this?
Psalm 147:5
Great is our Lord and abundant in strength;
His understanding is infinite

Check out what understanding and infinite mean in the dictionary.

If you read some couple of verses after verse 5 and before, you'd see that the psalmist was praising God for his immeasurable comprehension of creation and everything existing and he created them with his abundant strength or power. For example, he could call all the stars by name. He definitely named them himself.

God has great comprehension and endless knowledge of the universe and that makes sense since he made the universe.

cornelboy:
Check out what understanding and infinite mean in the dictionary.

If you read some couple of verses after verse 5 and before, you'd see that the psalmist was praising God for his immeasurable comprehension of creation and everything existing and he created them with his abundant strength or power. For example, he could call all the stars by name. He definitely named them himself.

God has great comprehension and endless knowledge of the universe and that makes sense since he made the universe.

All he wants to hear is that God's word makes no sense so he's not arguing to know rather his arguments is to misconstrue everything and thereby justify his choice of unbelief!

MaxInDHouse:
All he wants to hear is that God's word makes no sense so he's not arguing to know rather his arguments is to misconstrue everything and thereby justify his choice of unbelief!

Funny thing is that they think they're smart but not smart enough to reason that there must be a mastermind behind creation.
Perhaps they know but don't wanna live in reality.

preciousee17:
I wish I could argue.
But remember I told you that I won't put much effort.
Theists avoid what exactly?
Should we quote the whole chapter so it looks like we want to retell a story you already know?
Us saying that Balaam was a diviner is 'insanely insane'? But you confirm it too?
Who said Yahweh didn't work with the heathens me?
But I just said that the Bible says that the diviners reply always come from God...
Did I say Balaam doesn't obey God?

What's even the basis of your argument?
You left the point I made and started accusing me for so many things at once.

"Woe to them! For they have run riotously in the way of Cain, and have abandoned themselves for the sake of gain [it offers them, following] the error of Balaam, and have perished in rebellion [like that] of Korah! [Gen. 4:3-8; Num. 16; 22-24.]"
Jude 1:11 AMPC

If you can't see Balaam's error there, leave it please, you're right.

Lets cut through the bullshit. Please answer these questions with a yes or no.
Did Balaam disobey Yahweh?
If yes, how did he do it?
If he didn't, why did Yahweh threaten him
Thank you

MaxInDHouse:
Definitions that will soon be UPDATED like all others no be humans talk am?

Definitions don't update. Its the language that is.
The definitions don't change.
Learn English language. I suggest you begin from kindergarten

cornelboy:
Check out what understanding and infinite mean in the dictionary.

If you read some couple of verses after verse 5 and before, you'd see that the psalmist was praising God for his immeasurable comprehension of creation and everything existing and he created them with his abundant strength or power. For example, he could call all the stars by name. He definitely named them himself.

God has great comprehension and endless knowledge of the universe and that makes sense since he made the universe.

Good. So he is all knowing and omniscient right? Yes or no

jaephoenix:
Lets cut through the bullshit. Please answer these questions with a yes or no.
Did Balaam disobey Yahweh?
If yes, how did he do it?
If he didn't, why did Yahweh threaten him
Thank you

Are you trying to create a new sin for uncle Balaam?
The moment I quote the book of Jude is the moment you want to cut through the bullshit?
Shea I've said that if you can't see Balaam's sin, then you're right.

MaxInDHouse:
All he wants to hear is that God's word makes no sense so he's not arguing to know rather his arguments is to misconstrue everything and thereby justify his choice of unbelief!

I have never seem you argue with atheists to know about us. So why should I argue with you to know about JW?

preciousee17:
Are you trying to create a new sin for uncle Balaam?
The moment I quote the book of Jude is the moment you want to cut through the bullshit?
Shea I've said that if you can't see Balaam's sin, then you're right.

You were deviating from the point. Besides I asked you Balaam's error and you dodged it. So I decided to cut through the bullshit. So answer the questions and lets move on

jaephoenix:
You were deviating from the point. Besides I asked you Balaam's error and you dodged it. So I decided to cut through the bullshit. So answer the questions and lets move on

Please point out what exactly I'm dodging?

Why does it look like people force themselves and pretend to be dumb?
Right from my very first comment, didn't I point out that Balaam was greedy and God saw his heart?

After you started saying so many useless accusations and misinterpretations, I referred you to the book of Jude which confirms that Balaam was greedy, or didn't you see it?
Most importantly didn't I say that, if you can't see it, then you're correct with your own point.

So why still disturbing me? Aren't you contented with being correct?
Or you just need an argument partner?

preciousee17:
Please point out what exactly I'm dodging?

Why does it look like people force themselves and pretend to be dumb?
Right from my very first comment, didn't I point out that Balaam was greedy and God saw his heart?

After you started saying so many useless accusations and misinterpretations, I referred you to the book of Jude which confirms that Balaam was greedy, or didn't you see it?
Most importantly didn't I say that, if you can't see it, then you're correct with your own point.

So why still disturbing me? Aren't you contented with being correct?
Or you just need an argument partner?

Jude said Balaam was greedy. Numbers never stated anywhere he was greedy. And he was consulting Yahweh or Yahweh was directing all his moves. So where did the greed come from? Please re-read that passage with a clear mind

jaephoenix:
Jude said Balaam was greedy. Numbers never stated anywhere he was greedy. And he was consulting Yahweh or Yahweh was directing all his moves. So where did the greed come from? Please re-read that passage with a clear mind

Oga, you are right.

The funniest part is that I had said Balaam was greedy before even knowing that Jude supports, and I found Jude while putting Balaam as keyword so I could find the story (since I didn't see the exact place).
If I (anyone) could read and have this understanding on my own, then the book of Jude (amongst many other books) prove it as well, then I'm okay with myself.

For you, you are right!