cornelboy:

Jehovah is the founder

Yes Jehovah is the founder.
But who is the apostle that established the JW organisation?

MaxInDHouse:
Zoer my friend.
I want you to know that this thread is the result of my response to your comment on a thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/7815508/muhammad-claimed-only-allah-knows#125365681
After this comment:


After the above comment directed to you advocatejare said:


So i made it clear to him that I was speaking not in support of his god but for JEHOVAH my own God

That's what got on his nerves so he started this thread just to argue aimlessly.

So if you want to know anything then you should ask a JW not those who are desperate to malign God's organization.

Keep lying there, the screenshots below will reveal the liar that you are:

You came on my thread to make a comment, I commended you for the sense in it because one should appreciate someone who is rarely sensible whenever sense finds them.

I used that avenue to ask you to answer my questions that you had been evading before that time, I needed to ask that time before your sense would leave you again but rather than for you to answer, you asked me to create another thread for it which I did and now you’re crying and playing victim card. Grow up boy, you shouldn’t have entered the river when you knew you would complain of feeling cold, discussing with me is not for the faint hearted, you can ask your fellow Muslims how I’ve been exposing their idiocy.

MaxInDHouse:


Let honest hearted and sincere followers see my posts in order to assimilate at least i have proved that Russell is not the founder of our organization so go and relax!

But you lied that Jesus founded the religion of Jehovah’/ Witness Organization.


Show where that is written in the Bible that Jesus found a religion


Show where the name of the religion Jesus founded was called Jehovah’s Witness Organization in the Bible


You claimed that Jesus bought Watchtower from Russell: how much did Russell sell it to Jesus for, in what currency, cash or transfer, the document signed and who are those that witnessed the transaction, at what date?

Myer:

Yes Jehovah is the founder.
But who is the apostle that established the JW organisation?

Jehovah always use an imperfect human as His spokesman whenever the need arises.

We don't attach titles to our names due to the command from the King {Matthew 23:8-10} so the brother who served as an apostle among the 20th century Governing Body of God's organization In the year 1931 is our Christian brother Joseph Rutherford Jehovah used him as His spokesman to tell the whole world the scriptural group name that has been hidden for thousands of years:

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

advocatejare:

Keep lying there, the screenshots below will reveal the liar that you are:

You came on my thread to make a comment, I commended you for the sense in it because one should appreciate someone who is rarely sensible whenever sense finds them.

Commendation for real!

advocatejare:

This is the most sensible thing you have written since I know you on this platform.
Sense is coming to you gradually!

Your problem is that you can't find anyone in that thread to substantiate with scriptures but since such powerful comment came from one of Jehovah's Witnesses you felt like throwing an insult not a commendation!

advocatejare:

But you lied that Jesus founded the religion of Jehovah’/ Witness Organization.


Show where that is written in the Bible that Jesus found a religion


Show where the name of the religion Jesus founded was called Jehovah’s Witness Organization in the Bible


You claimed that Jesus bought Watchtower from Russell: how much did Russell sell it to Jesus for, in what currency, cash or transfer, the document signed and who are those that witnessed the transaction, at what date?

Physical man like you can't grasp the things of the Spirit so even though you see things working out perfectly as foretold in the scriptures you won't accept it {1Corinthians 2:14} i've told you why sacred secrets doesn't appear word for word in the scriptures. Till today the Jews don't agree that Jesus is the promised Messiah.
WHY?
Because the name Isaiah foretold is Emmanuel (not Jesus) but Jesus performed excellently meeting up the requirements as written in the scriptures so after careful observation sincere and honest hearted Jews in the first century said:

“When the Christ comes, he will not perform more signs than this man has done, will he?” John 7:31

Many Jews that listened to Jesus never agreed that John the baptist is the promised Elijah.

WHY?

Because the scriptures never said he will be called John so when Jesus told the Jews that John has fulfilled that role only a few believed and became Jesus' disciples till their death.

So in like manner physical men like you won't accept the fact that it's not about name calling {Matthew 7 21-23} rather it's the exemptional performance that will help faithful people to RECOGNIZE God's organization! Matthew 7:16-18

Sincere and honest hearted followers will read and believe even though faithless miscreants keep throwing tantrums.
So he who has ears let him listen! Matthew 13:9

cornelboy:



Who cares about what some faithless miscreants think 🤔

As far as we have some sane people seeing the good works and testifying to it, I'm good.

You come here to peddle what people should care about your religious organisation. That is why you are here and market it here and there

As far as we have some sane people seeing the good works and testifying to it, I'm good

The person that called your member is equally SANE and not a faithless miscreant based on the conversation the person had with your brother in Jehovah MaxInDhouse. We know to colour the point made you have to paint those people in bad light to peddle your so called SANITY and INSANITIES

oteneaaron:


It is quite unfortunate.

Manipulation at its peak. Jesus bought Watchtower from Russell

Yet they want sincere and honest hearted ones to follow their manipulation hook line and sinker.

MaxInDHouse:


Physical man like you can't grasp the things of the Spirit so even though you see things working out perfectly as foretold in the scriptures you won't accept it {1Corinthians 2:14} i've told you why sacred secrets doesn't appear word for word in the scriptures. Till today the Jews don't agree that Jesus is the promised Messiah.
WHY?
Because the name Isaiah foretold is Emmanuel (not Jesus) but Jesus performed excellently meeting up the requirements as written in the scriptures so after careful observation sincere and honest hearted Jews in the first century said:

“When the Christ comes, he will not perform more signs than this man has done, will he?” John 7:31

Many Jews that listened to Jesus never agreed that John the baptist is the promised Elijah.

WHY?

Because the scriptures never said he will be called John so when Jesus told the Jews that John has fulfilled that role only a few believed and became Jesus' disciples till their death.

So in like manner physical men like you won't accept the fact that it's not about name calling {Matthew 7 21-23} rather it's the exemptional performance that will help faithful people to RECOGNIZE God's organization! Matthew 7:16-18

I won’t allow you to divert:

You lied that Jesus founded the religion of Jehovah’s Witness Organization.


Show where that is written in the Bible that Jesus found a religion


Show where the name of the religion Jesus founded was called Jehovah’s Witness Organization in the Bible


You claimed that Jesus bought Watchtower from Russell: how much did Russell sell it to Jesus for, in what currency, cash or transfer, the document signed and who are those that witnessed the transaction, at what date?

MaxInDHouse:
Sincere and honest hearted followers will read and believe even though faithless miscreants keep throwing tantrums.
So he who has ears let him listen! Matthew 13:9

Always looking for sincere and honest hearted but quick to call others not sincere and honest hearted when they bring your INSANITIES into limelight. INSANITIES like Jesus bought Watchtower from Russell and Christian is a name cursed and bastardized that's why Jehovah gave you another name

MaxInDHouse:

Jehovah always use an imperfect human as His spokesman whenever the need arises.

We don't attach titles to our names due to the command from the King {Matthew 23:8-10} so the brother who served as an apostle among the 20th century Governing Body of God's organization In the year 1931.

Look at the Bolded Lie you just made here. Mumu! Go back to your publications and History videos to learn properly about your JW History. There was nothing like Governing Body during the Time of Rutherford. There was only President of Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. Whoever was the President became the Faithful and Discreet Slave. Russell was the President. After he died, Rutherford took over by fire by force just like Tinubu forced his way in. After he died, some other people became Presidents before There was ever a Governing body. The last President before a Governing body was formed gave a talk at a convention when he saw that a group of Watchtower officials were forming a Governing body behind his back and condemned it by saying it wasn't Biblical because he needed all the Power to himself. Do you see the Politics that was going on in Watchtower? Because everybody wanted a share of the Cake and Wealth involved in being the Leader of JWs. That's why the Governing body was formed. Then the Governing body members were many. When the last President became Old and Frail, that was when the Governing body forced their way in and that's how Governing body members select themselves to replace one another when one dies. Jesus Christ was never involved in the process. Go to Wikipedia and see how they select themselves. Your Governing body was formed as a result of Power Tussles and Watchtower Politics amongst a group of people wanting a share of the 'national cake of Watchtower'. Look at your dirty History. It looks exactly like the Politics of Nigeria because the JW Cult was openly a Business Corporation bringing in Billions of dollars and Not a Religion. See People fighting to be Presidents of Watchtower and Governing body. Who wouldn't fight for such positions when Wealth and Power are involved? Look at your Watchtower leaders fighting to get positions but they lied to you that Jesus selected the Governing body. They lied to you JWs that Jesus selected them not knowing that they selected themselves in the first place by fire by force in order to render the position of the President useless. That's why today you JWs still have Presidents but they are useless because the governing body have snatched Power from them. Mad MaxInDHouse, There was nothing like Governing body in 1919.

Imagine me a Non JW schooling you a JW on your History. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Myer:


Yes Jehovah is the founder.
But who is the apostle that established the JW organisation?

You want to put them in more trouble. Do they believe Apostles exists after the death of the those first century Apostles?

They Know who founded their RELIGION but want to look unique and different from others they keep lying and manipulating their history to say JEHOVAH founded their religion

MaxInDHouse:
Sincere and honest hearted followers will read and believe even though faithless miscreants keep throwing tantrums.
So he who has ears let him listen! Matthew 13:9

Sincere and honest hearted people will only see Lies coming from you. They will see your obvious attempts to scrub off your Satanic Origin and History. They will see that you and Satan are doing competition of who is the Best Liar. You have really disgraced yourself in this Thread. Very shameful sight to behold.

preciousee17:


Thank you sir for even accepting to point out that this man might have sinned.
I noticed they avoid convicting any of themselves of sin whatsoever, I don't know if it's because of that doctrine that says you can lie to defend the religion...

They avoid acknowledging that Russell did bad
Max avoided commenting that his brother used the f-word here
Also avoided commenting that the leaders at higher ranks somehow get tangled with sex scandals.

That's what's hard, the others were just diverting.
Even though they sounded harsh, they were being harsh because of Pride, not necessarily the founder.

By the way I hope you're an old member.

LOL, never been a member. Thanks for the enlightenment

achorladey:


You come here to peddle what people should care about your religious organisation. That is why you are here and market it here and there



The person that called your member is equally SANE and not a faithless miscreant based on the conversation the person had with your brother in Jehovah MaxInDhouse. We know to colour the point made you have to paint those people in bad light to peddle your so called SANITY and INSANITIES

You're welcome

Myer:


Yes Jehovah is the founder.
But who is the apostle that established the JW organisation?

Apostle Jesus.

achorladey:


Learn to understand the idea and intent behind the creation of the thread. You are only proving what he knows. Allow the person the thread was meant for to prove otherwise.

I now understand boss. The thread was actually to prove a point to someone. I just made my innocent comment without knowing the intent. Peace.

advocatejare:

If you’re a wise person, you should know not to put your mouth in what you don’t have full information about. How did you know that they didn’t cross my lines?

LOL, send your account number let me transfer small thing for you.
Try drawing your line beyond thier reach next time.

preciousee17:


Thank you sir for even accepting to point out that this man might have sinned.
I noticed they avoid convicting any of themselves of sin whatsoever, I don't know if it's because of that doctrine that says you can lie to defend the religion...

They avoid acknowledging that Russell did bad
Max avoided commenting that his brother used the f-word here
Also avoided commenting that the leaders at higher ranks somehow get tangled with sex scandals.

That's what's hard, the others were just diverting.
Even though they sounded harsh, they were being harsh because of Pride, not necessarily the founder.

By the way I hope you're an old member.

How have I sinned against you by using the f word

I said something like this "the people here give no f.ck about religion".

You have been singing this around since then
Am I going to hell fire now?

EngrJAO:

LOL, send your account number let me transfer small thing for you.
Try drawing your line beyond thier reach next time.

Hahahaha 😂😂
This violence is too much

MaxInDHouse:


That's the main point of this discussion!

The founder of Jehovah's Witnesses organization is not human otherwise the group won't perfectly fulfil God's promise as written in the Bible! Isaiah 2:2-4

Of course imperfect humans participated in God's work for instance i have met a Judaist who said John the baptist is the founder of the group that Jesus stole!

What are his reasons?

© John started preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom and that's exactly what Jesus also end up doing! Matthew 3:2; 4:17

© John baptized people and that's exactly what Jesus was later doing! John 3:26

© John had disciples that were against their religious leaders in the first century and most of them ended up becoming Jesus' disciples! John 1:36-37

© John was Jesus' cousin which made it easy for Jesus to take over control of John's group after he was arrested and beheaded.

© Jesus himself used John's words as part of his credentials to prove himself! Matthew 21:23-27

So do you think John the baptist is the founder of Christianity?

Well the answer lies in the fact that there were so many things John didn't understand which Jesus made clear to his listeners and the work Jesus commissioned is to reach all the nations whereas John's disciple making was only within Judeans.

The same thing applies here.
Charles Taze Russell did a lot of good works but as an imperfect human like John the baptist he couldn't understand everything unlike the founder of Christianity himself: Jesus Christ.

Oya na, thanks for the info. Peace.

achorladey:


Manipulation at its peak. Jesus bought Watchtower from Russell

Yet they want sincere and honest hearted ones to follow their manipulation hook line and sinker.

Hahahahaha

The jig is up.

They have been exposed.

One fact is that real Christianity was lost and people were following human dogmas instead of the Bible's undiluted truth, the JW started restoring the truth from the ruins and now we have something perfect. It couldn't be better at first. That's a simple logic.
The light keeps shining brighter.
Thanks to Jehovah.

EngrJAO:

LOL, send your account number let me transfer small thing for you.

Go and transfer the money to the wretched people in your family. Let your charity begin from home. I don’t need your money

advocatejare:

I won’t allow you to divert:

That's the difference between the spiritual man and the physical man! 1Corinthians 2:14

As a physical man you will always look for physical things that all can read word for word and letter for letter {2Corinthians 3:6} while the spiritual man will be observing what is happening as the Spirit of God is making what was promised come to a reality! Act 17:11

So keep on asking! Matthew 7:7

advocatejare:

Go and transfer the money to the wretched people in your family. Let your charity begin from home. I don’t need your money

Nobody is wretched in my family.
You really need to go see a therapist, I know Nigeria is not easy for you at the moment but you don't necessarily need to carry the whole frustration with you always.
Close your eyes let me pray for you: Father Lord I commit this my brother into your hands, help him to overcome bitterness and experience joy. IJN. Amen.
Go in peace my brother
May God help you but you have to help yourself first.

cornelboy:
One fact is that real Christianity was lost and people were following human dogmas instead of the Bible's undiluted truth, the JW started restoring the truth from the ruins and now we have something perfect. It couldn't be better at first. That's a simple logic.
The light keeps shining brighter.
Thanks to Jehovah.

No Christianity was lost. Your Cult came to rubbish Christianity. Rutherford claimed that Christianity will experience Downfall when Armaggedon comes. Your Cult wants Christianity to die but Almighty God and Jesus said Nope! Instead of Christianity to die, you JWs will die a Slow death. And that's what is happening now with closing of Kingdom halls and JWs leaving the Cult.

You JWs didn't come to restore anything. You only came to destroy and promote Satan's agenda but your plans are not working because Watchtower is experiencing its Downfall as Government authorities in different countries are investigating Watchtower for running Child Sex Trafficking rings. That's why your Governing body member Tony Morris was removed and transferred to another congregation to hide him there. The authorities are investigating his role in helping Child Sex Trafficking rings operate in JW and a good number of JW Men involved in the ring have been arrested. More arrests are coming as more victims are exposing Watchtower. There is no light shining brighter in your Cult. There was never any Light. The only Light shining is that of Almighty God and Jesus shining Torch light on Watchtower to reveal their Satanic practices that they have been hiding in the dark. Fir Jesus said There is nothing that is hidden that will not be brought to light.

EngrJAO:

Nobody is wretched in my family.
You really need to go see a therapist, I know Nigeria is not easy for you at the moment but you don't necessarily need to carry the whole frustration with you always.
Close your eyes let me pray for you: Father Lord I commit this my brother into your hands, help him to overcome bitterness and experience joy. IJN. Amen.
Go in peace my brother
May God help you but you have to help yourself first.

Ọlọ́pàá èwo ni t'èpè?
Even though he always call Jesus "Lord! Lord!!" I'm 100% certain that he will never welcome your heartfelt prayer with AMEN!

zoer:
MaxINDhouse all what you said is true that JW was founded by Jehova Himself...but my question is.....why is JW website saying a different thing from what you claim?

Is there anywhere in the Bible that Jehova said he will form a a church or assembly called JW?

MaxINDhouse you should be defending the allegations brought forward by exJW and all the court cases of child sexual molestations .
Your not defending or shying away from it makes it true......

Even the Bible said " Not all that called my name shall be saved"

You can see his reply to your comment. He calls Running of Child Sex Trafficking in JW Imperfection. Remember that this Child Sex Trafficking in JW also involves Satanic rituals perpetrated by the Freemason JWs. Child Sexual Abuse is nothing to JWs. They see it as a normal way of life. You can see Mad MaxInDHouse never condemned it. In fact, no JW in this forum so far in my conversations with them have ever condemned Child Sexual Abuse. Instead, they tell you that it happens everywhere so it isn't a Big deal. What does this tell you about the average JW? What does this tell you about their Mental state? It tells you that they are heartless. No human sympathy. No humanity. This is what Brainwashing from Watchtower does to you.

Don't expect any JW to address these Watchtower Child Sex Trafficking Rings. They have been brainwashed to see this as Lies but they believe that it happens in the Catholic Church. But when the same is revealed about they themselves, they call it Lies. So, don't expect anything tangible from them. Their actions so far show that the allegations are True. Various News stations have carried the News. JWs are just either ashamed to address it or choose to bury their heads in sand after condemning the Catholic Church for the same crime they have committed.

cornelboy:
One fact is that real Christianity was lost and people were following human dogmas instead of the Bible's undiluted truth, the JW started restoring the truth from the ruins and now we have something perfect. It couldn't be better at first. That's a simple logic.
The light keeps shining brighter.
Thanks to Jehovah.

My promise to all sincere and honest hearted followers of this thread:

MaxInDHouse:

I will TEACH all of them who truly is the founder of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION!
This is the thread that will expose all the founders of their sects because i will show them how real founders of religions have strong influence on the teachings and beliefs of such religion even after the demise of their founder!

And after all the agitation of advocatejare he can't prove that Russell founded the global group called Jehovah's Witnesses.
That's what i promised him before he started this particular thread.

Even though faithless miscreants are spreading lies against God's people the fact still remains that Jehovah's Witnesses are the one and only group fulfilling what God promised will serve as a sign of His presence in the midst of imperfect humans:

In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore! Isaiah 2:2-4

And there's nowhere in the whole scripture where God promised that His worshipers will be perfect humans rather Jesus said they are imperfect humans that he is working on towards God's plan to restore Paradise on the earth! Mark 2:17; Luke 5:32

So if some faithless miscreants are spreading lies as if God's people are the worst group of worshipers let them present a better performing organization that's doing God's will today!

MaxInDHouse:


Ọlọ́pàá èwo ni t'èpè?
Even though he always call Jesus "Lord! Lord!!" I'm 100% certain that he will never welcome your heartfelt prayer with AMEN!

I'm no Police Mr Max.
People like you just have a troubled heart on not knowing actually what you want so you go around condemning what ever gives other people joy.
Let me educate a bit about what I believe. I believe that the most important thing in life is to do what is right. I'm a Christian because I was born in a Christian home, Mr. A is a Muslim because he was as well born in an Islamic home so goes for the Hindu, Buddha and other world religion. That person is trained to believe that that is his key to success and eternal life/after life or whatever the case maybe.
Looking closely all the world religion have one thing in common which is living a righteous life irrespective of how it's to be lived and all world religion have emphathy imbided in their beliefs.
Worry more about yourself, know what you want. You're free to choose but what is more important in all is living right.
Have a very good day.
And please if you don't have any reasonable thing to tell me don't mention me again. If you still need the money you can sha let me know because I really meant it and it's from my sincere heart. God bless you.